A MORMON as SPIRITUAL “DELIVERER”?
-extracts by Jan Markell.
Could we say that the church has failed to wake up very many people so, by default, a Mormon — Glenn Beck — has made quite a stir and has become an official spiritual leader? He rallied hundreds of thousands last weekend with themes of faith and love of our country. Americans are desperate and fearful of what is coming upon this land so they look to a Mormon for leadership.
I am glad his Saturday event was successful for just some of these reasons…
* Faith and patriotism were lifted up — two items that the Left despises.
* Attendees were passionate — traveling thousands of miles and,
once arriving in D.C., walking for miles, even if handicapped.
* Conservative Americans must gather together to fortify one another.
Such events strengthen one another and offer hope. Finding kindred
spirits in a depressing age is essential…
In light of the positive aspects of the honoring America weekend,
could there possibly be a down side?…
The theme of the Friday gathering of spiritual leaders and the
Saturday rally was an encouragement to turn back to God. The
not-so-subtle theme was “many faiths, but one God.”
I believe many conservative Christians would have been relieved if
Glenn had not brought out Mormon doctrine that very few are
familiar with. He stated at the Saturday event that the American
Indians are the “chosen people” — blatant Mormon doctrine. The
crowd applauded in approval. You can view that here at the 4:30
mark. He stated — and has affirmed this on his radio and television
programs — that God is the only answer. While much was trouble-
some last weekend, who else is sticking their neck out saying we
have to turn back to God and gathering hundreds of thousands in
the process? It would be wonderful if Franklin Graham or even Joel
Rosenberg could attract a half-million people and deliver the true
gospel. We aren’t quite there yet. Again, by default, we defer to
Glenn Beck.
The weekend opened on Friday night, Augsust 27, with Glenn’s
“Divine Destiny” program which again, is straight out of Mormonism.
Many participants have implied, or blatantly stated, that Glenn is a
“saved Mormon” or on the way to becoming one.
Friend and frequent radio guest John McTernan, was present both
days just to observe. He writes on his blog, “There were several
prayers offered at the Friday event and none were made in the
name of Jesus. I was deeply grieved after I left.
“On Saturday, I attended the rally. If it had been just political, I
could accept Beck as a leader; however, it went way beyond that.
I am not questioning anything about Beck’s character or motives.
What I am deeply grieved about is that this was not led by the real
church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Is America in such desperate
spiritual condition that masses of Christians will follow a Mormon
for spiritual revival?”
McTernan continues, “The sheep in America are desperate and
fearful of what is coming, so they look to a Mormon for leadership.
A Mormon leading a meeting like this for America turning back to
God should have God-fearing pastors in America on their knees
crying out to God for mercy. I am grieved, not so much with Glenn
Beck, but that the church is so pitifully weak that a Mormon can
now lead God’s people, and they do not see the spiritual danger.”
What are major Mormon beliefs and how do they play into this
scenario? When God is the professed focus of the August 27-28
weekend, what is the deeper meaning? And Glenn is outspoken
about his Mormon faith. He so-stated that fact many times over
the weekend and in the weeks and months leading up to it. It was
not subtle or hidden. But Glenn does not bring out the bullet points
below because it reads like science fiction.
Mormon theology teaches:
* God was born and raised on another planet.
* He has a harem of wives.
* They produce spirit-babies that are sent to earth; there they gain
bodies and earn sainthood.
* Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.
* Jesus is the chosen/ elected savior by a council of gods from
other worlds.
* America is the promised land, not Israel. The holy city is
Independence, Missouri, not Jerusalem. Jesus’ latter-day agenda
is to return to Missouri.
* The U.S. Constitution is as sacred as the Book of Mormon. In
the latter days, it will be under siege and will be saved by Mormons.
Thus, we must “reclaim America” to save the Constitution and
usher in a genuine age of Mormon leadership. They want to build
a Mormon kingdom on earth, similar to modern day Dominionists/
Kingdom Now proponents within Christianity. Founder Joseph
Smith had a socialistic philosophy and wished to have a society
that shared things in common.
* America’s founding fathers were “spirit babies” who created a
“sacred Constitution.”
* Salvation is works-based and not through grace and faith.
This is what Glenn Beck believes. Is the god of this system, this
faith, the one he referred to when he stated, “Today, America turns
back to God?” Is his god concept one we can turn back to?
For greater insights, visit the Web site of former Mormon and radio
guest, Ed Decker. Also visit the apologetics’ site of Eric Barger.
In short, Mormonism has a different holy book, father, Jesus,
concept of grace, salvation, end-times, etc. You cannot be a
“saved Mormon.” Evangelicals who should know better already
call him a “brother in Christ.” Some of those share the Mormon
“dominion” of the earth and this is their connection. Promoting
this false end-time theology of making the earth perfect seems to
trump everything else. We can’t save the earth and make it perfect.
Jesus Christ has to return to do that…
“Evangelicals and Mormons Together” will be next. Why not? A
Mormon successfully called a nation back to God.
Most who stand with Glenn, however, do not embrace this theology.
Some Christian leaders are just deceived and others think it is hip
and cool to align themselves with a man who is so prominent and
so pro-America.
John McTernan states, “I know Mormonism real well. There is a
Mormon prophecy that America is going to be nearly destroyed
with the Constitution hanging by a thread. A Mormon savior would
arrive and lead the Mormon church to save America. I can see this
coming into play real soon. Maybe the revival Beck is talking about
is a massive conversion to Mormonism.”
We sincerely hope Glenn Beck will become a true brother in Christ.
We can pray to that end and also that Christian leaders will sharpen
their discernment and understand the disservice they are doing to
the body of Christ by exalting an unsaved man, and allowing him
to be a virtual shepherd over millions of Americans who just want
to take back America.
SOURCE – http://www.olivetreeviews.org – August 31, 2010.
I never knew Beck was a mormon. Thanks. I’ll certainly have to pray for him.
WOW! Brother, you have said it very well and very plainly. I am going to share that with all my email buddies because I know there is a lot of confusion over the obviously “successful” meeting on Saturday. One comment though, as I heard Brannon Howse’ diatribe against Beck for days, it occurred to me that there is a need to clarify the issue of what god do we worship (including the Muslims) Why is it so difficult to believe that our god has a personal name and why is it not searched out and used if only for a more intimate relationship with the Divine Creator of all things. His name is not god, not Lord or LORD, or Almighty, those are titles. His Hebrew name is Yahweh and His son’s name is Yahshua….HlalleluYAH! (Which means Yahweh saves).. Bless your ministry..
Bob
I have resisted the idea that the U.S.of A.’s christian population is as low as some say it is: around 3% of the population. But I also find it true that we are by enlarge VERY ignorant of the message of the Bible. The message of Galatians Ch. 1 for example will probably horrify most who think themselves going to heaven.
can’t even spell my own last name
I think the whole Glenn Beck thing is a lot of hoolabloo about nothing and Christians who are upset about a Mormon leading the charge to turn America back to God are sadly deceived. Countries don’t turn back to God (the exception might be Israel – but that is a debate for another day); people do. God doesn’t care if you’re patriotic or not. What He cares about is living your life daily for Jesus. Christians in America have been deceived for many years into believing that “God” and “Country” go hand in hand. Let me state this as clearly as I can. They do not go together.
We are residents of this country, but our citizenship is in the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of God alone. Christians do not have dual citizenship as many would believe. It is best to consider ourselves as resident aliens – citizens of another country. Once you realize this, then events like’s Glenn Beck’s rally really don’t mean anything to you.
I really don’t care what Glenn Beck does or doesn’t do. If he chooses to follow a false path like Mormonism and there are those who follow him because of his political beliefs, then they can blame no one but themselves. Christians in America have been following false leaders for many years, both big and small. They have allowed themselves to be deceived by following men who say the things they want to hear rather than following what God has said.
I think the writer of this post has missed the big picture IMHO.
GLEN BECK ASKED THAT ALL AMERICANS TURN TO GOD IN THIS DARK
TIME IN OUR COUNTRY. I AM A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN, SO I TURN TO
MY GOD, GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, JESUS AND GOD THE HOLY
SPIRIT. I PRAY II CHRON 7:14.. etc.
We have religious freedom in this country. All others can pray to whom they believe in. What else can we say?
That is not mixing religions or faiths together. I KNOW IN WHOM I BELIEVE AND WHOM I SERVE!
THIS GREAT GATHERING WAS FOR ALL AMERICANS.
I believe God can use the most broken of us to do his will. Is Glenn beck saved? I don’t know. I would not want someone else to judge what is in my heart. I think many of us are praying for him to turn away from Mormonism. We should PRAY for Becks salvation. I do know he has angered the enemy. He will be judged by the fruit he bears. I don’t think he wants to be the Anointed One nor do I think he feels he is. There is a danger of him becoming “drunk” from this “power” he has to gather so many. Again I say we PRAY for him in all sincerity.
I found this information very interesting. However, for me I am not following Glenn Beck. I follow Jesus Christ.
I look at it this way God can talk through a donkey to Balaam then he can talk through Glenn Beck. I am not saying that Glenn Beck is speaking the voice of the Lord. But he is speaking a message to turn back to God. Let those who have ears hear what the Father is saying. If the Christian leaders of our day will not rise up and say turn back to God then let us who believe in the one true God hear the clarion call no matter who is saying it and let us turn back to Him, humble ourselves and repent. Lets not focus so much attention on the vessel as much as the message to turn to back to God!!!
Our kingdom is not of this world but while we are hear we should be faithful residents of what God has in trusted us to. God cares that we have failed to put Godly, Holy, Righteous people into office and b/c we have compromised putting Godly leaders in office we have what we have. Maybe we should read 2King 21:1-16 About Manasseh he’ reigned for 55 yrs and in those years he lead Judah into her darkest era of darkness. He led God’s people into greater evil than the pagan nations that Joshua had destroyed. Why did God allow Manasseh to influence Judah to do such great wickedness? God does not always remove ungodly leaders from their positions of influence. He holds his people responsible for requiring their leaders to align themselves with his WORD; he expects them to reject as false any leader who is not faithful to the teachings of his WORD!In this way God test his people’s loyalty to him, to his revelation and to his godly standards. ~Donald C. Stamps~
Jackie
the first time I heard he is a Mormon was at that event…like his coming out party? You are correct in all you said. Jesus Christ is Lord, the only way to be saved!
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has a history of using those whom the mainstream denominational churches discard.
Recall the story of Joseph, whose brothers sold him into slavery, who eventually became the 2nd in command in Egypt, next to Pharaoh; and who became a High Priest of the pagan-god worship extant in Egypt in his day. Did he ever desert the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Who had given Joseph those dreams in his youth?
Recall the story of Mary, the mother of Jesus. She was betrothed, and pregnant out of wedlock!! Yet, she carried the Redeemer/Saviour of all mankind.
So who cares if Beck is Mormon? I don’t think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does. If He doesn’t, why would you?
Believers have varying opinions and rarely agree with each other. Beck would have been better off to have a patriotic rally with ideas of getting back to morals and responsible government. However, the “true” believers are so weak and have so many factions themselves, there is not a group that could get together for such events. Pastors and believers, evangelists, etc. should be disturbed that they do not have much effect on this ungodly world system we are under. Beck simply did the best he could in the context of what he knows about religion. NOW WE GET TO SEE ALL OF THE SUPPOSED REAL BELIEVERS WITH SMALL PERSONAL GROUPS, GRIPE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT MORMONS. We are citizens in the kingdom of God, but we have to live on earth for now in some sort of nation under some sort of guidlines. We need to separate the two. Work with all conservatives to better our nation and try to gain some ground back. Make Christ the center of your life, especially in spiritual areas, and allow that Spirit to affect all you do. But if you cannot think county/nation as a separate issue, we will stay so divided over religious ideas that we ALL lose the freedoms we have to worship as we wish. Grow up and keep the two areas separate enough to affect our nation, and by all means affect this world around you for the kingdoms sake. Anyone reading the gospels should see that Jesus said render unto Ceasar his due and God’s due to Him. Until He comes we have to live here. Let’s have the best “here” we can. Quit whining and acting so pious as if you have all the answers. We conservatives need each other. Now you know why founders mentioned carefulness about church and state being too closely aligned. IF BILLY GRAHAM HAD DONE THE RALLY, THERE WOULD ALSO BE A BACKLASH AGAINST HIM FROM PENTECOSTALS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE BAPTIST DOCTRINES. Can’t we unite for the country?
Very truthful article.
We have been warned in scripture over and over to be alert and focused on God because there is a FALSE COPY of everything that is of God.
Glenn Beck has been very informative for the people of this country, but he is leading A FALSE REVIVAL/RESTORATION. And churched people know those words very well and ASSUME that Glenn Beck is talking the same language as scripture.
NO NO NO. When CULTISTS talk they are REDEFINING the words that we find in the bible. That is the FIRST thing a believer does when witnessing to a CULTIST……….define the words found in scripture with scripture itself……..better yet, with the Mormons, you can actually use the “old” book of Mormon and the D&C to define the words exactly as found in the bible.
Only use the King James Bible with Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses…..that is the only version they will say is authentic.
I wouldn’t trust the HISTORICAL information that Glenn Beck gives out either! Not without confirming it myself.
The Mormon church has been changing HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS ever since Joseph Smith in order to PROVE their cultic doctrines. Changing historical documents; fraud; perjury; FORGERY; have been practiced by the Mormon church since its conception!
Most of the heirarchy have known about it and justify it, but millions of Mormons have been DUPED by their own SHEPARDS/FALSE PROPHETS.
No – to an earlier poster – there would not have been a backlash with Billy Graham.
Sorry to disagree.
I’ve come to realize that believers can’t be ambassadors of another kingdom if we take sides in the disputes of this world.
We are told to “render to Caesar what is Caesar’s”….
We are told THIS IS NOT OUR HOME!
We are told to INDIVIDUALLY WALK BY THE SPIRIT IN ORDER TO FULFILL GOD’S WILL !
Those who are not walking by the Spirit are the first to make rules and regulations as to what a “true” believer should do in any given circumstance of life.
DO AS THE SPIRIT OF GOD LEADS YOU TO DO…IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE.
THIS IS NOT OUR HOME….THIS LIFE IS PREPARATION FOR THE REAL LIFE ON THE NEW EARTH.
First of all, what’s this “deliverer”. I just saw a man trying to make a stand for country and God against the encroachment of pure evil. He may have the wrong doctrine, but he has the right heart. God can certainly open eyes to truth if people are seeking truth.
The thing about Mormon’s and Muslim’s, their spiritual leaders were both given “revelation” by angels, howebeit fallen angels. Then the people decided to follow the men. Lately, Todd Bentley was receiving new “revelation” from some angel, howebeit a fallen one that sounds more like a “spirit guide”. People were flying from all over the world to “touch the hem of his garmet” or to get what he had. It was ridiculous, and dangerous. If people decide to follow the man, they will fall under that man’s deception too. If we try to follow a man and elevate him, we likely put his soul in jeopardy by making him into a little god.
The point? We are not supposed to follow men, but rather we are supposed to follow Truth in the person of Jesus Christ. Can we support one another when our fellow man makes a stand for something we believe in, ie. this nation needs to come back to God? I believe we absolutely can. Do we need to make this man our “Moses”. Absolutely not. What we do need to do is make our OWN stands for truth and for encouraging people to turn back to God.
When God led the children of Israel, he used men like Moses and Joshua, the judges, the heads of the different tribes. However, the people wanted a king!!! This made God rather unhappy because He wanted to be their King. But they insisted and he gave them Saul.
Let’s not be guilty of trying to make someone king. We have only One King. But let us encourage one another to prayer, and good works until our King comes.
Glenn Beck is on target with the news of what is happening in this country, period.
The rally was a major deception to anyone that thought they were praying to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Our Lord’s name was deliberately left out of the prayers and that was cause for grief.
Mr. Beck comes and says that Jesus is the Christ, however, he is a false prophet and those so called clerics and pastors are all false teachers. Especially the evangelical ones that profess Christ.
Especially the evangelical ones that professed Christ, at the rally.
Sorry about that.
Via Amos The Lord asked Israel “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?”
You either agree with Him, (in everything He says) and thus walk with Him, or you are on the outer. Whoever you are.
and for # Bob Simenson
Bob with respect, Some call Him Lord. some call Him Jesus, Rabbi, Master, Good master, Wonderfull, Prince of Peace, Counsellor, Word of God, etc. and yes Yahshua. (I agree you might say some are names some titles)
Oh yes, and in Revelation a new name. “His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.” (Wow)
This beggars the question. Does He really mind what we call Him?, as long as we DO WHAT HE SAYS. If we are obedient, surely we are calling on Him by His “name” (“fame” which spread about as he taught)
We (Spirit filled) are modern day Elijahs our calling is like Elijah to throw down the gauntlet before modern prophets of Baal, (Mormons included) Build up the “alter” that has been altered, and like Peter at Pentecost call on the Holy Ghost and Fire -The only way to revive America or for that matter any one else.
Who is God – The One who answers.
He is God who answers by fire!
I believe Andrew like some others is doing that!
Pr. Michael
Someone wrote to me-
“I do not care that Beck is a Mormon.
I just agree with his politics.
We better put spiritual differences aside and band together to fight The Beast or we will get eaten alive.”
I find this to be one of the most deceived and disturbing statements that I have ever seen from a Christian.
-Andrew
The idea that the Constitution for the United States is a divinely- inspired document on the level of the Scriptures is nuts!
A wonderful document that breaks up the powers so that no one branch of government should become tyrannical? Yes! The supreme law of the land? Yes. But even with the Constitution in place, look where we are now! And there were those at the beginning of this country that warned of these very things—Patrick Henry for example. He foresaw that the Constitution would be weak and uinable to prevent many of the things that have happened and warned about these very things.
The Founding Fathers were not agreed on many things. Hamilton wanted a king and an all-powerful central bank. Jefferson was essentially an agnostic who did not believe in miracles, the Virgin birth of Christ and other important doctrines of Scripture. Some were die-hard Masons.
Saying all of this, I do not want to be misinterpreted. I think the Constitution is one of the best plans for government ever drawn up. But divine inspiration? Never.
I am thankful that we have the measure of freedom we do have. But it is quickly disappearing. This country has indulged in rank materialism (the American Dream). We have become decadent and complacent. We have cheered on immorality and sin.
“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” (Psalm 9:17)
The most dangerous demons of all are the religious demons.
But the Mormons do not have the market cornered on that one. However in Mormon prophecy they are supposed to be the ones that rescue the US from the very thing that is happening now so in his own ranks Glen Beck is going to get a lot of attention.
As for evangelical or protestant denominations, what ever makes anyone think that they are not rife with their own religious demons as well.
I am extremely disturbed by those who say they don’t care if Glen Beck is a Mormon or not. As ambassadors for Jesus Christ we must care.
We should pray for his salvation and pray that those who follow him do not fall into deception. If we do not believe the enemy can use this revival to lead people astray, we are among the deceived.
Thank you for this insightful article. Andrew, I appreciate your ministry very much!
“If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.”
Daniel Webster 1821
What is wrong with people standing together for a common cause? I thought the rally at Washington was great. [I'm an Aussie] I thought that at last God fearing people in America are standing up and making their voice heard. Glen Beck might not have all his theology right [who does?] but at least he’s doing something positive. Reading some of the posts here I think that It’s no wonder that people say that the Christian message is pie in the sky when we die. We’re here to reclaim the earth for God. The Great Commission was to make all the nations Jesus’ disciples. There’s no point in praying “Thy Will be done, Thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in Heaven if we’re not prepared to do something about it.
Too many Christians are waiting for Jesus to come back and do, what He’s told us to do.
Jesus has finished His work. He prayed to the Father “I have finished the work which you have given Me to do” [John 17:3]Jesus stripped Satan of his authority and gave it to us and said “Go ye…”He is now seated at the right hand of the Father waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool. That’s our job! If you don’t think we can do it then you’re like the ten spies in Israel on the way to the Promised Land who wouldn’t go in and conquer because the giants looked too big. I’m with the other two. Yes we can!
By the way Bible history ends on Earth – a reclaimed, renewed Earth reunified with Heaven. Going to heaven when you die is not the end of the story.
God used many people in the past that were very surprising. As a Christian, no I do not embrace Mormonism.
However to make a general statement that this man is leading Christians in some type of revival could be an overstatement simply based on the whole TV media thing. It seems big. Give it some time and see what happens. The Pharisees and Sanhendrin said the same thing about a couple of guys who led and uprising but nothing became of them. They said the same thing about the disciples of Jesus Christ..but they were the real thing.
On another note, within every true believer is the teacher. The one who witnesses to our spirit/heart to the truth. If in fact, believers are being led astray or away, the Holy Spirit will talk to them in some way..it is they who must listen to that inward witness and obey. Every Christian is also responsible for who or what he attaches himself to.
America the largest consuming nation on the face of the planet. And all this consuming takes place through differenct types of marketing strategies trying to get us to consume goods and services. It is unfortunate that some much of this has spilled over into the church, in so much, that a news real, marketing seems to get our attention. Oh, that we would be so captivated with Christ!
The Lord knows who his is!
We annoint no one, but the Lord is entirely capable of working with anybody that is willing and tender enough. What you say is true however without Faith and patriotism I truly doubt you would support Israel — show me where the Lord despises that. I believe you’re a little harsh throughout your punctuation.
Thanks for pointing out the issues of Mormon theology, for those that did not know. It’s paramount to worship the only true God, Jesus Christ. Now, I pray that we would be mature enough to Love and nurture what the Lord may have begun, and, have a little Faith in the only one that can change a heart.
What Mr. Beck is doing should be a wakeup call for true believers. First of all a few years ago Promise Keepers had a rally in the same mall which was called Standing in the Gap. It attracted over one million men, some with their sons. Whatever happened to all those voice?
Until the true gospel is preached publicly as Mr. Beck preached his, these movements will not stir God to act on our behalf. Until Jesus Christ is not only preached but is allowed to live his life through a believer nothing for the Kingdom can be accomplished.
One thing that grieved me was the thought Mr. Beck was trying to get us all to believe; belief in God will empower Americans to reclaim this nation. Not so, turning to God while avoiding Jesus Christ will accomplish nothing. Jesus said that no one can come to the Father except they come through Him. I’ve heard Mr. Beck mention Jesus and the Holy Spirit but not in the concept of Jesus being God in the flesh and He empowers the believer through the Holy Spirit.
While praying for Mr. Beck and the United States we must pray for our nation, the nation of believers, to turn away from conformity to the nation in which we live.
I don’t have any problem with anyone agreeing with the political views of Glenn Beck or any other person from Fox’s constituency. We live in a free country and we have freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom to agree with the views of any other as long as it does not impinge on another person’s freedom. However we must be careful and diligent to separate political views which we agree with from Christian principles. For a very long time now, a lot of so called conservative Christians have erroneously believed that Fox News and its acolytes are either Christians or they stand for Christian principles. Now thats a complete joke. Take a look at the lives of these presenters, their love of money, their disrespect towards other opinions, their manifestations of pride and prejudice (especially against African Americans) and tell me if these traits are commensurate with a true Christian.
The values that Fox TV and its presenters like O’Reily and Hannity stands for (unadulterated Capitalism – greed) are completely opposite to the what Jesus Christ and the apostles taught in the bible. Also look at the other Fox TV channels and the kind of programmes they show on there. Is that of Christ? I can go on and on. The fact is Fox News is no different to the News media. They all stand for one thing, and that is to make as much money as they possibly can. Fox has been smart enough to tap into the large “christian” community by essentially telling them what they want to hear. Thats it brothers and sisters.
It really baffles me when Christian leaders like Rick Joyner endorses Fox News as a fair and balanced. I don’t know what kind of news he watches. In fact I will say that the so called “Left” has more Christian principles than the “Right”. The “Right” is full of racist, selfish, greedy, self indulged, lying, deceptive nominal christians, who will say and do anything to get elected. Wake up people and smell the coffee. This is all part of the system of the world. Christians are called to look up to Jesus and none other. I rest my case. Thank you.
How can we as professing Christians stand behind someone who wants us to return to God and that god in his mind, being a professed Mormon, “was born and raised on another planet”? Really? Born and raised on another planet? How truly dangerous a rally like that could turn out to be if many see no harm in coming into agreement with Mr. Beck. Many came into agreement with the first one to proclaim “lets build a golden calf to worship as a god” but that didn’t turn out to well.
I have not followed Glenn Beck with any rigour, but even I have known for over two years that he is a Morman. I am surprised so many people were ignorant of this fact that has never been hidden, and has been plainly stated several times in the comparatively few times I have watched his program. I have personally seen Glenn Beck do things on television that I think blasphemous. Certainly nobody who knows the God of salvation would speak so disrespectfully of the Lord Jesus Christ and of salvation as I have seen Beck do on several occasions.
What I have seen in various program episodes were manifestations of somebody who does not know the Lord Jesus Christ, plain and simple.
Having said that by way of introductory comments, Let me say the following:
In my weekly Bible chat room on PalTalk I have often declared that God is using Glenn Beck. I stand by that declaration. It is just too obvious to ignore.
In an earlier post somebody mentioned Balaam’s donkey. That is a serviceable analogy so long as a person sees Beck as the donkey and not as Balaam. Beck is lost as opposed to being a master of divination such as Balaam was.
The fact that God would effectively use a person who does not even know Him also calls Cyrus to mind. Of Cyrus, God said: “For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.” –Isaiah 45:4
God also referred to Nebuchadnezzar as His servant. (Jer. 27:6) God was even righteously concerned that Nebuchadnezzar’s armies get appropriate compensation for their service. (Eze. 29:18-20). Neither Nebuchadnezzar nor Cyrus were among the chosen people, the seed of Abraham, but they were God’s servants whom God used according to His Sovereign purpose.
Since it is evident that God through His own Sovereign purpose is calling this generation in this nation to Himself, should disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ be upset because some already lost people will find their way into Mormonism? They are lost already. If people do not love truth, then how is it surprising that they fall into error? (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11) Any disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ who is deceived into Mormonism was not a very well grounded Christian to begin with.
If God is pleased to eventually save Glenn Beck that would be wonderful. It would be just as wonderful as if He saves any of some 6 plus other billion people on this earth. If God is not pleased to save Glenn Beck, then God is still a great God who can use whom He pleases. For the moment He is using Glenn Beck according to His own Sovereign purpose. Any Christian should rejoice for that. Any time God’s Sovereign hand moves it should be a cause for encouragement to His disciples. It is an open manifestation that man’s (or the Church’s) failures do not thwart God’s Sovereign purpose on the earth. –Indeed, thinking back to Balaam, who was forced to speak only the words that God put in his mouth, Balaam declared “…What hath God wrought!” (Numbers 23:23)
Ultimately God will send an angel through the midst of the heaven declaring the everlasting gospel (Rev. 14:6). In the meantime Jesus has ordained that His disciples preach the gospel to every creature. Even so, whenever it suits God’s purpose He can cause the very rocks to cry out.
At the moment God is using, among other people, Glenn Beck, a lost person. Any believers among us should be more concerned with giving praise to God for His righteous judgments and interventions into the affairs of men than in speaking against a messenger God has sent. The angel of the LORD spoke up on behalf of Balaam’s ass (Numbers 22:32-33). God also spoke very plainly in affirmation of His servant Nebuchadnezzar (Jer. 27:8).
Do we think ourselves wiser than God? Take heed.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=1144072
Amen Andrew!
Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.
I believe there are a few examples in the Old Testament where Israel thought it was a good idea to “partner” with an unbelieving nation/king against a common enemy.
God was VERY displeased that Israel did not depend on or trust Him for their security.
Israel suffered the consequences of those “ungodly partnerships” for a very long time…….maybe they still are?
Jesus said if HE is lifted up HE WILL draw all people to HIMSELF.
Why does the church look for “Pop Stars” to lift up.
Take CHRIST out of CHRISTIAN and you are left eith IAN ( I Am Nothing) Does any one else get sick and tired of this Pop Personality Banter ? Or is it just me?
Who do we lift up??
I agree with Happy trails
“God was VERY displeased that Israel did not depend on or trust Him for their security.
Israel suffered the consequences of those “ungodly partnerships” for a very long time…….maybe they still are?”
Dave
So you are outraged that a Mormon is having a voice calling America back to God and your concerned at the lies he may be spreading, but you have no concern for the lies being spewed from the evangelical/spirit filled pulpit every Sunday concerning sin and the true reason for the atonement of Christ? At least Glenn Beck seems to have an honest heart and is a man who asks questions about what is going on. More than I can say about most “christian” leaders and lay people-who have an answer for everything even if it doesn’t make any sense-we just repeat doctrines that leave us in our sin and are quite proud about it.
Believe me, what Mr. Beck is saying is not half as bad as what is being spread from our so called “Christian” pulpits. At least he is declaring he is a Mormon- so then we can all run and hide our heads in the sand and not listen to another word he says for fear of being deceived. In comparison to the hypocrites who stand in our “Christian” pulpits telling us they are born again and spirit filled and living in sin! They actually don’t even know what a true Christian life is all about, but because they declare they are “Christians’ we will mindlessly listen to all they have to say, give them the benefit of the doubt, never question, or judge there doctrine as false and of course forgive any adulteries they commit-along with any and all other sins! and still believe they are “christians”.
Wow who should we be more concerned about? A Christian clergy that preaches a gospel that leaves people unholy and full of sin. A clergy that will not even tolerate talk of holiness and freedom from sin. A clergy that spew lies from our “Christian” pulpits week after week by telling the people they must live in sin and Christ DID NOT come to set anyone free from sin. Or a TV host who openly declares he is a Mormon, or a catholic, or a Lutheran or whatever -calling people back to God? oh yeah Glenn use to be a catholic! run faster now.
I think we have lost our spiritual minds!
Jeri Woods
253-988-0012
We live in dangerous times when false prophets are destined to deceive many, as even Christians lend their ears to to those who preach “another Gospel.” Our message must be clear – CHRIST ALONE and SCRIPTURE ALONE. Thank you for sharing.
Val Waldeck
http://valwaldeck.com
http://tinyurl.com/WhatDoMormonsBelieve
I guess the point is that there is a kind-of “revival” going on right now in America. It is the “Tea Party/ Glenn Beck/ Fox, etc” revival. It says a lot of conservative and “spiritual” things. But nobody ends up getting truly saved. A big movement. A lot of fervor. A lot of people getting caught up in the “cause”. But what is the end result?
And so is it a real Revival? Or a substitute?
-Andrew
Jesus said: “My Kingdom is not of this world”. It’s not America.
Jeri Wood stated it well. There is a lot being spewed from pulpits today that is just as far off as what Glen Beck’s spiritual beliefs might be. In fact I believe there are some true believers in Jesus in the Mormon Church, in spite of its doctrines, not because of them. At least they still do have the Bible, if any should care to read it. God is faithful to His Word. The big problem is that we need more within the true Church that will step forward and call for this kind of return to God (Revival). While Christians should not look to the government to solve people’s problems, they should be the leaders in good citizenship, and should certainly call the nation back to the Christian principles on which this nation was formed. Christ did not come to establish an earthly kingdom, but the gospel of Jesus Christ has changed history, and has been the foundation for governments that recognize that all men are created equal, and that all people are created by God and deserve to be treated as such. Christians should be the “leading citizens” of our nation, and should lead the way in a demonstration of true ethics in government. Only when Christians are not willing to stand up for what is right will others have to fill that void. Mormons may have wrong theology, but they seem to have higher ethical standards than many who profess to be Christians. We don’t have to accept their theology, but we could still stand to learn something from them. I hope Glen Beck cinspires some Christians to step up and become the kind of leaders this nation needs. Not all politicians have to be crooked. Maybe we need to listen more to Sarah Palin.
I am totally a Glenn Beck fan. I read the books he recommends. I have learned more about our history this way than through any history classes I have taken. I’m inspired by Glenn’s courage and willingness to lay it all down to pursue what he feels God is telling him. It’s an example we should all follow. I have never heard Glenn say, “follow me.” He is always telling his listeners to seek out the truth for themselves. He encourages his audience to question with boldness…the things going on around them and in them. His mantra seems to be.. seek after truth, live in the truth, take responsibility for your own life. I believe he is a man who has experienced the redemptive grace of God. I have never heard him preach Mormonism, although he has always made it clear he is one. I recognize him as a vessel. and a voice. I hear God in His voice. I don’t hear the gospel in his voice but I hear a voice as one that is crying in the wilderness…make straight the way of the Lord… What do you hear? Are you listening?
America is in deep trouble. Let us be ready to embrace seekers and mend our nets for a catch initiated by the sovereign grace of God. Let us get outside of our church buildings and have a rally of our own if we’re not pleased with the rallys others are having. I have decided to use my voice to express the love of God through Jesus Christ and I welcome anyone who is doing their part to turn this nation around.
A revival of “ethics” could happen.
But that is not the answer. -And is probably a counterfeit for a true Revival.
-Andrew.
the spirit of antichrist is at the heart of mormon doctrine and practice.
the god of the mormons has the same spirit as the god of the muslims, allah is a false god and so is the god of the mormons.
joseph smith and mohammed are false and phoney prophets as are the koran and the book of mormon.
a few years ago God opened my eyes to see the spirit behind mormonism, I saw in the spirit a growling snarling, murderous, hateful spirit who if it could have it would have gladly killed me. Where did I see you might ask? I say it proceed out of my father in law who is a temple mormon and has been for 35 years.
I love my father in law but that spirit has him bound in lies.
Maybe because men in America have turned their backs on God he is allowing the delusion of mormonism as a punishment.
Jeri Woods…..I don’t see a choice between the two…..they are BOTH FALSE.
A CULT IS A CULT BY ANY NAME.
True believers are not here to SAVE THE WORLD OR SAVE THE COUNTRY.
We are here to follow Jesus in all of our ways.
We are here to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.
We are here to fellowship/ walk with God.
We are here to be salt and light in the world.
God is sovereign…He has power over ALL creation.
NOTHING/NO ONE can thwart the will of God.
Just because the things we see with our eyes don’t set well with “our” theology, doesn’t mean God’s will is not being accomplished.
I do not mean that a “revival of ethics” is the answer to our country’s woes, but it would be nice to see professing Christians being a little more “ethical” in their daily lives. I am tired of seeing professing Christians living like the world on Mon. through Sat. If we were to truly live it I believe that more people would believe it. Most people in the world are not attracted to Christianity because they see too many “Christians” who don’t practice what they preach.
Excellent article! You are so right! Thank you for your insights.
So many people need to read this!
I watched the entire 3 hours of the rally and Glen Beck made mention of the gifts GOD has given us, though he didn’t mention the greatest gift of all our LORD & SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST and that alone left me uneasy about the entire event. I kept asking myself “Why was JESUS not in his list of gifts?”…May JESUS find HIS way into Glen Beck’s heart and may JESUS be the most precious of all gifts in his life and those around him. In JESUS’ name. Amen. :>)
Why this fervent and zealous drive to “call the nation back to God” now. When was that ever our mandate as Christians from the Word of God. The fact is if the Church had concentrated on being like their Master the Lord Jesus Christ, then His Light in us would make us shine in a dark world like this nation. When there is Light in a dark place, the Light gives direction and focus for everybody. We should concentrate on being His true disciples and leave the saving of the nation to Him.
I am fed up to the teeth with Christian leaders calling the nation to repentance, when their own church members are not even properly saved. Why don’t they expend that energy and time to seeking God to help them and their church member be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. Also, why has the nation not heeded to this call for repentance? Have you bothered to ask yourself that question? Its simply because they see majority of us as complete hypocrites. We are indistinguishable from them as far as victory over sin is concerned, yet we have the temerity to call them to repentance instead of doing it ourselves.
When some one asked Jesus as to whether many souls would be saved in the last days, Jesus wisely told him to make sure he strives to enter into the Kingdom and leave the rest alone (Luke 13:22). In other words, he should mind his own business. In another passage too, he warned us to take the plank of wood out of our own eyes before we see the speck of dust in some one else’s.
Brothers and sisters, please let uk work out our own salvation with fear and trembling and leave the saving of the nation to God to do it. Thank you.
(1 JOHN 4:1-3) – 1.Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2.By this you know the Spirit of God; Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3.and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
MARK 13:22- “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
@ YANKEYMAN
You are right in a sense, though in (1TIMOTHY 2:1-4) 1.Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2.for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3.For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4.who desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.
I think Yankeyman is right, and the problem is most church leaders are not saved or not very far along in the Lord themselves and so their congregations reflect that. No man can be greater than his teacher, Jesus said. The log/plank in their eye is the wrong tree, and so the light within them is darkness. All they can preach is knowledge of good and evil. What is needed is that we grow up into a complete change of kingdom. And that kingdom is within us, it does not come with our careful observation Jesus said, and it transcends the earthly kingdom. I agree with you that this is what the church needs to focus on, and in fact this is what the true church IS focused on. There always has been both the true and the counterfeit churches – “even now many antichrists have come”. One is concerned with the kingdom of God, the other with the earthly kingdom. The call is, and always has been, to “come out of ” the false earthly church and be part of the true heavenly church.
When Jesus told the Pharisees they were of the their father the devil, we read condemnation in that when really it was just a statement of fact. He was informing them that they needed to change fathers and change kingdoms. Condemnation keeps us from honestly acknowledging where we are, our true condition at any point in tmie, but condemnation is in our own hearts, not Jesus’.
Andrew,
Deception is rampant throughout the so-called “christian” church today. You should be aware of that yourself.
The comment you refer to above as indicating deception is indicative and symptomatic of much of the nonsense that has permeated the christian church making it largely unrecognizable from genuine apostolic christianity.
Will the Lord find faith in the earth when He returns? Only by HIS supernatural preservation it seems.
I see more love in Glenn Beck than i do you Andrew. You shall know a man by his fruit. Sorry to say but you sound like a “pharisee” attacking Jesus.
The few times i have listened to Glenn Beck have brought me to tears because of the Holy Spirit’s anointing on Him. When i read what you write all i hear is a tortured soul.
I don’t mean to criticize because if i was criticizing you or Glenn Beck that would make me think i was better than you and i certainly am better than no one.
Let good be good.
In love because God IS LOVE.
AN INTERFAITH DANGER HERE:
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Ouch, I’m shocked that even the author of this article, Jan Markell, appears soft on the Morman, Glenn Beck, leading a meeting where Christians attend. Is this what things have come to?
Surely this is nothing less than the thin end of the wedge of the interfaith movement?
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Markell writes for e.g. “I am glad his Saturday event was successful for just some of these reasons… Faith and patriotism were lifted up two items that the Left despises”.
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The reality is that Satan was using counterfeit faith (Mormonism) and earthbound patriotism to make further inroads into the hearts of many of the Christians who attended. Is it really Ok that many Christians are now willing to go to Mormon meetings just because they are of the same right wing political persuasion as Mormans? This is surely a terrible development. What about the gospel and being set apart to serve the Lord not a political agenda?
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If we are open to this sort of thing, even begrudgingly, then full scale interfaith moves are no doubt around the corner. Linking to other religions because we have similar goals or political agendas to them isnt right. I’m shocked by this articles approach.
It only takes a spark to get a fire going… Lord, we need Your fire, a purifying blaze of repentance and contrition.
Lord, we need ardent preaching of the gospel of Christ. Raise up voices, anointed voices, fearless voices. Lord we need the warmth of your mercy and grace. Lord may we all become ambers for revival. Let the fire fall!
I pray for Glenn Beck. May Your light and life become his torch. As he seeks truth…may it come by revelation of the true Christ…God in the flesh…God on the throne.. Jesus Christ the Son of God…Lord of Lords and King of Kings!
Approaching Armageddon
As trouble with Israel and the seed of Ishmael escalate. The threat of Iran to wipe Israel off the map widens. We have to ask ourselves, are we approaching Armageddon? The prophetic book call the Revelation of Jesus Christ mentions a battle or war that will take place in Chapter sixteen. It reads; and the sixth angel poured out his bowl upon the great river Euphrates; and the waters thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of devils working miracles, which go forth to the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to gather them to the battle of the great day of God Almighty. Behold I come as a thief , blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garment, less he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called Armageddon. Rev. 16:12-16 The sixth bowl is poured out upon the great river Euphrates, the waters was dried up for the purpose of making it easy for the kings of the east to maneuver. These kings of the east has joined forces to challenge the one world leadership of anti-christ. All three members of this unholy trinity are involved, Satan, anti-christ, and the false prophet. The Revelation reveals that there were three unclean spirits working miracles to ensure that the allies of anti-christ will comply. In verse 15 Jesus inserts a word of encouragement to the saints that received salvation during the tribulation. Behold I come, blessed is he that watches and keeps his garment. Jesus is telling them to hold on a little longer, He is coming soon. Verse 16 begins with the phrase; and he gathered them together into a place called Armageddon. The he in this verse is the angel that poured out the sixth bowl. This is the work of God, He is in control. Before any fighting take place the anti-christ convinces the kings of the east to join him and they turn to destroy Israel.
At this point the whole Nation of Israel will cry out to God, bringing to pass the word given by Zechariah 12:10-13:1 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his first born. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Haddrimmon in the valley of Megiddon {Armageddon}. … In that day there shall be a fountain open to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and uncleanness. God will hear their cry for their Messiah bringing to pass the word of God spoken in Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Jesus will destroy this mass army with the sword of His mouth and save Israel, cast Satan into bottomless pit and the anti-christ and false prophet into the lake of fire. Then set up His millennial kingdom. It all started with Armageddon.
Bernard A. Jones Ministries
I cannot understand how Glenn Beck’s rally for the country was a deceptive revival…If everyone someone takes a stand for righteousness, he is scewered by the Christians, but those same Christians are not themselves making a stand for ANYTHING, except on blogs, it makes me wonder about those people who want to tear everything apart.
Get up on a podium and on the street corners and call be to turn their lives to Jesus Christ, or be silent.
evertime someone…oops.
God’s Word says, “let no man deceive you.” After reading the previous posts, I can see that most are being deceived by this endtime devil. One of the gifts of the Spirit is “the discerning of spirits.” We need to diligently pray for this gift. More and bigger deception is coming.
A LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVENS THE WHOLE LUMP…………..
God Bless
Ideology is man-made. To the extent that it touts morals, ethics, and ‘truth’, it falls substantially short of Godliness in Christ. Ideology is only an outward belief, it can make no one holy, nor any righteous. Christianity is a lifestyle driven by Christ in you and the Word of God. We adhere to He, who is our righteousness, via the Holy Spirit.
In this we know that God’s word stands alone. It cuts through the muddled nuances of pompous and outward displays of virtue and morality enlisted by a shallow ideology. By His word, and through His Spirit, we are convicted of things that ideology would rather tolerate or even condone. His word serves to transform US first, from the inside to the out. If you’re unsure of these clear differences, then one has crowded into the other, and you are serving two masters.
Glenn Beck is saying things, discovering things that no one else is. Such as obama’s radical connections and upbringing, his ties to the ground zero mosque. Such things are important to know so we know how to deal with our so-called leaders.
However, Beck’s primary message is a return to God and no sincere Christian should fault him for that. If you can’t get past his Mormanism, change the channel.
He himself says don’t take what he says for granted. Investigate it yourself. Become educated and informed about the founders of this country and their strong belief in God. Read the Constitution.
Beck did what no one else has tried to do: unite people of faith and return to God, trust God and act like Christians individually. Be honest, get out of debt, help our neighbors. Sounds like something Jesus said!
Let me just add one more thing if I may. Alot of people see ‘facts’ in the same light as ‘truth’. I think we should to be careful of this. The Pharisees had the ‘facts’ pertaining to the law and the written word, and could make all kinds of clever agruments from this which no one could really dispute, simply because they were factual. But they had no ‘truth’. The truth Jesus spoke could not penetrate the facts which were representative of the Pharisee’s intellectual pride. We have a lot of this going on today in politics and the church. Many times truth gets lost in the over-analytical translation of facts. Stick with the Holy Spirit and God’s word. The ONLY promise of truth is in God’s word (John 16:13). Pride and facts are a dangerous combination. It’s not just spin and deception that can ensnare us. God is going to shake His church and only His truth will stand, not Glen Beck’s, not Oprah Winfries’, not Barak Obama, not the Pope, and certainly not all of the false prophets. Judgment starts with the church, we need to be humble and sober minded in Spirit and in truth. There’s only one Rock and the enemy will do whatever he can to divert our attention from Christ.
Thanks for the information: I believe that many times we don’t recognize the sin of hate – racism. The right has focused on; abortions, and gay marriages. Do not get me wrong – I believe the true teaching of the bible on all those issues. The word says hate the sin not the person.
I have not seen anyone focus on the sin of hate. That is what I see in our country. I woke up yesterday mourning and prayed for our country. This country is filled with so much hate. I for one will not try to describe this behavior as anything else but hate.
From the word of God; “in the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires” Jude 4:18. “These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit” Jude 4:19.
May we all stand up for the true faith of God – let’s not return the hate that we see everywhere.
I’m reminded that Glenn Beck sparked controversy (probably the main purpose of “commentators” such as himself) earlier this year when he told his listeners to run from any church that teaches such “code-word” doctrines as “social justice” and “economic justice,” which are (he says) “perversions of the gospel.”
Beck’s operative ideas of Jesus, of the church, of “the gospel,” and of scripture are those of Mormonism. How is his TEACHING and LEADING Christians anything but the enemy’s assault on Truth ?
The e-mail Andrew quoted (“I do not care that Beck is a Mormon. I just agree with his politics. We better put spiritual differences aside and band together to fight The Beast or we will get eaten alive”) is exactly as he said: deeply deceived and disturbing. Note that politics is the door through which Satan entered to mislead and corrupt.
May the Church be discerning, test false prophets (I John 4:1), and follow only those who speak from the Spirit of Truth !
I’m in agreement with “Thedude”, “Andrew” and “Jack’s” comments. In my opinion the message of the cross was not being heard throughout this rally, thus how can anyone attempt to lead another back to the “True God” (God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God christians profess to serve) if the message of his son Jesus is not spoken. The only way to the Father is through the Son. When Moses spoke to the children of Israel commanding they turn from idols and serve the ONE and ONLY God, Israel knew of whom the God he spoke of. When Paul and the apostles spoke concerning repentance and a “return” to God they spoke preaching reference to THE SON, Jesus Christ our Lord with the knowledge that only by acceptance of the son and repentance can we be reconciled to The Father. Just the message “Return to God” leaves question as to whom is the God you serve? However to say “Return to God” and then begin to explain HOW to do this by referencing His Son Jesus and sharing the message of the Lord’s death, burial and resurrection, etc. etc. we know then the God spoken of is the Father, the one and only God, KING of the universe, creator of heaven and earth and all that is within!! Just because a man speaks of God does not mean he is a true believer in the Son and if one is not a true believer in the Son, (meaning faith in the Son and what the word of God has declared concerning the Son) then he cannot have fellowship with The Father.
The one thing that all in attendance of Mr. Becks rally had in common was not the fact that all served the same God and worshiped the same Lord, but that all had the same political beliefs and desired America to return back to “Morality” which is a wonderful desire however again, even this cannot be done without the acceptance of THE SON! The only way individually we change is through repentance, acceptance and confession of The Son (Jesus Christ) and allowing the Holy Spirit to do the work within us as we surrender. Morality alone will not reconcile us to The Father and allow us eternal life with Him, only through the Son can these things be done.
I really pray that true believers would break away from political foolishness which serves only to divide and separate this one from that one, and simply follow after THE LORD JESUS! If any truly study the word of God, we would know that we cannot change the course of events as they have been prophetically spoken in the word of God, thus our focus need to be on ministering to the lost, strengthening and edifying the body of Christ as Brother Andrew and many such as he has and still is doing as we draw nigh to coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Final words taken from Philippians 3:14-21
I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind. Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame–who set their mind on earthly things. For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
AMEN! Yankeyman and Steve.
Nora……DEVINE LOVE is what you should be seeking.
Devine Love allows people to choose evil, but does not agree with or join with it.
First, let me say that Glen Beck is a very likeable guy.. I watch and see how he is blowing the horn on so much that is going on. He is bringing into view what Americans need to know about our country and the ones running it and the ones behind the ones running it . He has guts and boldness to express and even show his enthusiasium and passion for this country . He admits his faults(as far as we know) and even the sin of being an alcoholic and living in the slums of life for years and years. He is a family man and a devoted husband and father and has a handicapped daughter that he adores and who has had life very hard for years and years.
Now having said all of that, — so people don’t get me wrong and start a “hate mail” reply , I want to tell you all early on —- I have done my research. First I am going to present a question to you—— I suggest to you all to do the same. I was in the medical profession for over 25 years and learned that “symptoms” are just that. You write them down and you start looking for the ROOT of the problem not just a bandaide to fix what is obvious.
Why do we disrespect /and say things against Benny Hinn, sometimes the Copelands, the Word of Faith people/movement and many many other ministries such as Peter Wagners group, (NAR) New Age groups, Contemplative Prayer groups, and others, (as the list keeps growing) and I have read so much about them and alot of it on this website and others and oh don’t forget Todd Bentley and Rick Joyner, Charismania, and all of them, YET when it comes to Glen Beck there is an “honor, a respect, a “don’t touch this man” attitude with SOME viewers./reading this website and on other christian websites.. I think this article is going to show and prove that there are many that hold this man up as a human idol Why I say that is because here we had such a debate about God possibly closing the doors on Andrew and his family and all the turmoil they went through and then we had another “debate” that was heated about “patriotism” and false idols etc.etc. Is God judging America? Is it possible that Beck is a false teacher and has a mormon agenda (AT THIS TIME IN HIS LIFE)??
Having done a research of Mormonism and their beliefs and don’t forget to always check on who they are rubbing shoulders w/ and aligning themselves with. Do you realize Beck has announced very proudly he is a mormon.He is not denouncing gays and their marriage and There is and has been for years the mormons trying to assert themselves and aligning themselves with christians to have people think they are christian. Last time I read what they believe — well it is not , I repeat is not the same God and Jesus is not their savior. Beck , since he vocalized himself being a mormon has become more prideful. As if it were a haughty spirit . One on a mission. One needs to really look and watch and wonder if there truly is an agenda more than just offering truth about our country. A Mormon agenda. (as they themselves preach and teach) One that those unsuspecting can get caught in (like all those 200 preachers locking arm and arm this past weekend)
Check out the people he is aligning himself with. First David Barton. Now I am sure the guy is nice and all and a “christian” BUT and there is a but in there. In viewing Convergence 2009 w/ Cindy Jacobs and NAR folks and other well known “conferences” David received time and time again “prophetic words” , laying on of hands and “falling into the spirit w/ a whole lot of troublesome shaking going on and was told to him that he would be aligning with well known speakers and that the kingdom of God on earth would be introduced and more and more people will be coming into this realm as an army etc.etc.etc. ( I viewed a couple of tapes before they got somehow taken off)(part of the 7 mountain theory)
David Barton, if you listen to him and his teaching about our great past leaders, of old, Washington, Jeffferson, etc.etc. he idolizes them and he puts our country as “the kingdom country and that it will never fail” if we uphold the constitution . Things he states are things that get twisted in his findings.He upholds the constitution more so than the bible.He has become a spokesman and is using Beck and himself into leading the dominionism into a stronger surge. Never once does he talk about the past presidents ever being Freemasons(all but two were) and all that they did in that “secret society”. Plus he sets up our past presidents far above Jesus our Lord. Yes, Barton knows the bible and he spits out scripture, but he is teaching falseness and idolizing and worshipping men that is what most of this is about. Hope, Faith, Charity, Honor. Yes, there is a lot of good that can come from it. But there is some good that can come out of the Pulpit on Sundays also. But does that make it Godly?? And of God and is God there and pleased with it? or is there such mixture that it is confusing even the best of christians??
Bottom line, Dominionism and New Age is alive and well and they are aligning themselves up with big powerful people.These prophets that we think and call as false prophets and apostles have an agenda and believe that their hooking up with these political well known people will usher them into the White House. Sara Palin and others are involved.including Pat Robertson , Focus on the Family and others including IHOP, Family Research Coucil who has Mike Bickle and THE CALL-Lou Engles group, all praying and laying hands on them and calling 40 days to prayer and fasting. (which is all good if the Lord is leading you to this). If you will look deeply and search it , you will find out that Sara , Mike Huckabee and others have been prophecied over by many in the NAR GROUP.(this is one reason Rick Joyner thinks Fox News is the ultimate) He has his foot in the door w/ many of the commentators. -because of David Barton. —ONLY GOD KNOWS. where all this is headed . We need to be aware of all of this., praying in the spirit and staying true to our Lord. Not casting stones but realizing that there could be deception and an end time army of dominionism forming more and more. It seems that these streams seem to be coming together more and more.
As far as Mormonism. It is a cult and one needs to look at what their beliefs are before ranting and raving and sticking up or knocking down. As far as the pastors that linked arm and arm on stage — if one searches and studies mormanism and budism and new age, the lingo is alot alike. There are “catch words” that they say that we take as our “GOD” as I AM , as I am. and Higher power and Higher source, and we are little gods. These are all catch phrases and we must be careful. Once again, it is like other ministries we have been talking about and there is no difference. YES, Beck is doing something wonderful for our nation. He is exposing TRUTH about political stuff but Mormans have an agenda. It is a written constitution like practice that they agree that before they leave this earth that they will have done a certain amount of “good works” to earn their status for their God. (which is not our God) Never once did Beck say Jesus Christ is his lord and savior. He gave the “impression” and hey what do some of our preachers do ??? They twist and give an impression !!!!! and alot of them have their own agenda whether it be fame and fortune or prosperity message or a mixture of bible verses mixed with “let the good times roll for the sake of the Lord”
This is in God’s hands and we must pray because this is turning into ONE WORLD RELIGION when everyone links arm and arm together and prays to “their God”
Would you stand on the same stage as B. Hinn, Todd Bentley and others allowing them to lay hands on you and pray and prophecy over you , knowing everything that they represent (at this point and time , knowing they have not renounced, repented and submitted to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior?) Would you attend one of their meetings and partake in their twisting yet knowing that they have not repented and they have submitted to other Gods and or mysticism??
There is hope for everyone and I have been praying on and off for Beck for over a year. Prayers have not yet been answered . But maybe he will have a road to demascus change and truly then he will be looked at – not with honor but with a voice and if he thinks he has had hate mail thus far, well he will learn what dying to self and carrying the cross is all about.
Please study mormonism or the people he(Beck) is associating with via David Barton. People will be surprised and then real prayer can happen.(prayer for all that are lost) The bible says that there will be others that call themselves I AM. (in the greek and hebrew versions only) Christ was added in other versions. Beck said the other day on his show, “” I am that I am and we have the power .”" – that is a catch phrase from the Course of Miracles , the new age bible and phylosphy.
Derek Prince wrote a book called Protection from Deception. In it he talks about different things that would happen. I find it “prophetic” and the end times learning , as I see a lot of this stuff coming into being.
Maybe Beck should be on his knees praying to our Lord and asking “Father, what is your will, help us, show us , keep us aligned w/ you Father as we repent and come back to you.”"” In Jesus’ Name. ——now that would be a prayer and one that would really get attention.!!!!— there would be no “secrecy or deception in that kind of a prayer” — so in the mean time we must pray not just for Beck but for those that are being deceived and have a veil over their eyes , including all that post and all that were locked arm and arm on that stage this past weekend.
Bottom line — we need to learn and be careful who we align ourselves with . We can all be deceived(having a door opened) and isn’t that why most of us are on this website ? We have been deceived,at one time or another, taken out , or come out of it and are trusting God (our God) now having a testimony or having learned so we can help others? – Deception continues on , we are not immuned. Satan tries and tries in many ways and using a political figure is one of them. WE ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD yet we are caught up in a man that is speaking truth about political figures and it tantilizes us and we say AMEN Brother Speak the Truth!!! ( I have heard christians say this) Prayer is the only answer right now and looking within ourselves to see if there is any idolatry or self in us as we lay it on the alter of the Lord and repent and break free. Our eyes need to be more focused on HIM and not what is going on in the world. (and it is hard but as we do this we hear better from our Lord)- And if there are those that we meet or know that are accepting Beck and his mormonism, well it will be a good time to explain IN LOVE the truth and facts vs. the fiction and false God. Is there a goal other than God — only God knows and ONLY God will do what He plans to do. Our job is to look within our selves and stay focused on our Christ and to be Christlike. Is it not??
Blessings to all.
Forgot to say I too watch Glenn Beck and my husband and I have broke out weeping during some of his program.
He is calling people back to God. He even had several prime time shows on the “First Great Awakening” and George Whitfied. I bought the book he recommemded “The Great Awakening-the roots of Evangelical Christianty in Colonial America” The book is powerful in it’s repeated description of an “instantaneous” experience with the Lord Jesus through repentance.
Wow we can’t get that in our “Christian” churches so God has no choice but to go to ANYONE who is listening and willing to take the heat ,and Glenn is taking the heat for speaking about God-he has had death threats and had to wear a bullet proof vest.
Now think about this, there is a worldy political news program and in this last year most of it mainly talked about getting right with God. I have watched American news all my life and I have NEVER seen such a thing.
It truly is the loving Lord shouting out to all to get right with Him. The Lord is reaching out to all peoples, yes and even those who watch a conservative political news program and love America.
Glenn is not asking people to follow him but to follow God,seek for the truth and look inside of your own life and get right with God.
He even gave his personal testimony of meeting God (on the air)when he awoke in his vomit after a alcholic bender, divorce(because of alcholism), and living a wretched life. He says he met God, was changed in an instant by an inward hope and love, he got up and started to live an honorable life. He says he has a personal relationship with God. Actually his testemony is more powerful than most of what I hear coming from our side and his life seems to show it.
Now the Mormon thing bugs me but I have no doubt that God is using him. If he starts to say follow me and become a Mormon then that is a deal breaker for me but until then I will watch and pray for him.
Now I ask all who read this site- What is your personal testimony?
Have you had a personal encounter with the living Christ? Were you ashamed of your perosnal sin? Did you weep before Him and ask Him to forgive you? Did He personally forgive you and reach out to you? Did you give Him your whole life and did He receive it? Was His love shed abroad in your heart? Were you separated from your self rule and sin by His residing life in you? Does the thought of sin cause you grief? Does your heart pant after Him like a waterbrook?
Is obeying Him the delight of your life? Do you weep at the thought of not knowing Him?
We must get back to what it truly means to have the life of Christ abiding in a soul and how do you get Him there? And what is the evidence of His abiding life? We have lost all these things and have replaced it with head knowledge and lifeless doctrines that bring no life but only angry, critical, religious, sinful robots.
Jeri Woods
253-988-0012
True, Glenn is a mormon, but this doesn’t bother me for the following reasons:
1) His personal “faith” is not changing my faith in Christ or the faith of ANY of my Christian friends who also watch him. Those who have been paying attention to what Beck has been saying for the past 2 years know that he has NEVER ONCE pointed anyone to any God but Jesus Christ. Sure, we can speculate about what he mean but we have been watching him very close and his fruit is Christ-like.
2) Every one of the founders of America were different in their own right regarding their faith and yet they worked together for a common good – freedom from King George. Some were deists but they were not deists as we define them today (Jefferson and Franklin were very passionate toward Jesus Christ, in their own words, in such a way that they would make some of us today look lukewarm). Today, the Tea Party movement – which I am a proud part of – is made up of Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, Catholics, Muslims, etc. who can look past their differences for the purpose of standing for the principles and values of America’s founding. And what are these principles and values? Well, Glenn Beck’s 9-12 website lists the following (I wonder if any of us disagree with any of these):
The 9 Principles
1) America Is Good.
2) I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life. God – “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.
3) I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday. Honesty – “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington
4) The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government. Marriage/Family – “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson
5) If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it. Justice – “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson
6) I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results. Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness – “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson
7) I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable. Charity – “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington
8) It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion. On your right to disagree – “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington
9) The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me. Who works for whom? – “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson
The 12 Values
1) Honesty
2) Reverence
3) Hope
4) Thrift
5) Humility
6) Charity
7) Sincerity
8) Moderation
9) Hard Work
10) Courage
11) Personal Responsibility
12) Gratitude
I am the founder of the Wilson NC Tea Party and we are currently working with over 400 patriots who are all from various religious backgrounds. And yet we all agree on the abovementioned principles and values. We believe in the power and wisdom of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States even though they were written and signed, mostly, by fundamental Christians. And the reason we know we have to work together is that if we don’t fight for our freedom NOW, we wouldn’t have the freedom to discuss or debate our religious differences later. We won’t even be about to have these kinds of discussions on the Internet (the FCC will make sure of that if we don’t stop them).
Also, finally, as someone who has been watching and reading Beck consistently for the last 2 years, I have to say that I have personally seen the fruit of Christ in His life. Plus, as someone who was at the Restoring Honor Rally, I can say, along with my wife and those who were with us, that we felt the tangible, manifest presence of God on the Mall like we’ve NEVER felt it before. Even some of our friends who have never been exposed to the manifest presence of JESUS CHRIST, said they felt their bodies being touched by the power of God. And how do we know it is Christ’s presence? Because of the fruit, because of what has been produced.
I personally believe God has chosen to use Glenn Beck in order, in part, to offend those who think God has to and can only use those who THEY think are qualified.
Well to quote Jan Markell (or is it Andrew Strom), I am deeply grieved.
Please lets draw people into the article by using a “negative, fear based title”.
Yes I am sure you can already tell I do not support Jan Markell or Andrew Strom or who ever wrote this article or what I call a commentary.
By the very premise of, “Could we say that the church has failed to wake up very many people so, by default, a Mormon — Glenn Beck” you (Andrew Strom & Jan Markell ) continue to miss what I consider the greatest consequence of our times…
I am not a scholar, Pastor, Deacon, educated in Greek, the bible, but I do hear God’s voice and I do follow Him…
That being said, is that not true of every Christian… Or shouldn’t it be John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
I believe this article or commentary skips the most important aspect of what the “8/28 Ralley” was about “personal responsibility”, faith, charity and integrity.
At this point the authors of this article are no better than the politicians who use fear or power to persuade someone into something and then there is the question of bringing division.
2 Corinthians 5:18 (Whole Chapter)
All this is from God, [Col 1:20; Rom 5:10; 1 John 2:2 ] who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us [Rom 5:11] the ministry of reconciliation;
It is my personal belief of what I have noticed of myself and possibly something others could agree with…
I have let too many people influence my life because I was too damn lazy to research and do the work myself to find the truth…
Someone asked me (2001), “What is your favorite scripture”? It was a tough one for me, really… I couldn’t tell you, couldn’t recite a scripture if my life depended on it unless God personally gave it to me, word for word and slowly. So not to be embarrassed and not even knowing if this scripture existed, I said, John 2:24 – 25… Well I was grateful, this co-worker didn’t know of it either. As soon as we parted ways that evening I went and looked it up and I should say, it is now and has been since then my favorite scripture,
John 2:24-25:
24But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, for (A)He knew all men,
25and because He did not need anyone to testify concerning man, (B)for He Himself knew what was in man.
For me, I heard God’s voice and He has always been true.
Here are a couple of things I would like to point out that the authors of this article/commentary left out.
1. Glenn Beck believes every person has the ability to find the truth on their own and they should not just believe what they are being told by anyone, President, Friend, Pastor or spiritual leader.
2. It is my understanding he wants people to have FAITH and that they should seek it out, that specifically “They should read THEIR BIBLE”! Their, meaning their personal bible not his.
3. Glenn’s entire push for as long as I have been watching has been to take us back to our founding principals. Teaching us of the faith, courage and sacrifice of our Fore fathers.
4. As individuals we need to find our faith. Search out the truth on our own and when we need to stand up for the truth, that we find our feet and voice.
It is time that those who have put themselves in the place of leadership, power and authority, whether it be spiritual or not that you are held accountable for what you/they are saying, writing or teaching.
Find the truth, don’t spin it. It is ugly when we do.
I hope we all can find our ministry of reconciliation!
-Kit
@Nora, dear friend I read your post and you couldn’t be further from the truth concerning Brother Andrew. Would you say that the apostle Paul had no love simply because he spoke the truth of God’s word even when it hurt the feelings of some? Certainly not! It is because of his (Andrew) love for the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, his love for the Word of God, and his true love for the Lords sheep that he’s spoken the TRUTH of God’s word these many years! If brother Andrew had not this love, he would have been speaking these many years as MOST in leadership positions do and that is to share what the hearer desires to hear for ungodly purposes and for fear of offending. If anyone is behaving as what you stated “a Pharisee” then it would be Mr. Beck for their faith of Mormonism, does not follow completely the word of Almighty God. They do not even believe in the trinity, and believe mainly through WORKS can one obtain righteousness which totally disregards the message of we being made righteous through HIM (The Lord Jesus). We cannot obtain righteousness through works, it is through Christ and our faith in him that we are made righteous. The Pharisee’s did not acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, and they rejected him as being “equal” to God. Brother Andrew has never done this however the Mormon faith believes this that Jesus and God the Father are not one totally going against scripture which declares from the mouth of our Lord himself when he prayed “Father, I pray they may be one EVEN as YOU AND I are ONE”. I will not debate, dispute nor argue with anyone, but I will stand boldly for the truth and the truth is brother Andrew has shown more love for not only the Body of Christ, but the lost lambs who’ve yet to enter the fold, as well as hungry, hurting and brokenhearted, and has led many to The Lord Jesus than any professing minister/pastor/or whatever any other title one choose to give him or herself than I know! He is a TRUE SHEPHERD the Lord has called to tend to his sheep and what makes him a true shepherd? He fed the sheep of the Lord with the truth of THE WORD, regardless of the ridicule and condemnation he’s received by many a so-called brother or sister! And why did he do this? To be seen of men? NO! To receive material gain? NO! He did it because of HIS LOVE…
Joel (above) who is a proud Tea Party member told us the following-
“Today, the Tea Party movement – which I am a proud part of – is made up of Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, Catholics, Muslims, etc. who can look past their differences for the purpose of standing for the principles and values of America’s founding. And what are these principles and values? Well, Glenn Beck’s 9-12 website lists the following (I wonder if any of us disagree with any of these):
The 9 Principles
1) America Is Good.
2) I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3) I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4) The family is sacred… etc…”
Andrew Again: It seems to me that we have a “false revival” going on – the biggest yet – that pulls in far more people than Todd Bentley ever could. It worships America in an actual spiritual way – which is total idolatry. And it focuses on “values” and spiritual ‘principles’ that the Mormons, Muslims and Christians can all agree on. This is the biggest deception we have seen yet. But it sounds so “good”. It sounds so “right”.
Please tell me that you can read what Joel wrote above in praise of the Tea Party – and a chill doesn’t go down your spine?
We have a total “False revival” on our hands.
God bless you. – Andrew Strom.
A fervent “Amen” to Nicole’s warning against David Barton. His teachings have perverted the thinking of tens of millions of American Christians; primarily through appearances on Glenn Beck’s (and other such) shows, and the endorsement of many prominent Christian-media ministries.
Barton’s message, like Beck’s, is that America should return to its Christian roots. However…the “history” he cites to prove our Christian roots is documentably false; his methods for interpreting history are dishonest; and his teaching is that the Church must reclaim its “heritage” by political action.
His prescription for America’s healing is that Christians act as, and in concert with, political “conservatives.” (Perhaps Beck’s rally is an example.) Not coincidentally, Barton is a long-time professional operative for a political party which promotes itself as “conservative:” and was once national “liaison to social conservatives” for that party. That he HIDES those facts while purporting to be a teacher of the Church should make us question his motives.
I’d plead for discernment here. America will only be healed by renewed obedience to Christ: doubtless even the demons would acknowledge that truth…and shudder. That Beck and Barton mouth that truth means nothing: “testing their spirits” (I John 4:1) clearly shows they come from false roots (not Christ, but Mormonism and politics), and wish to lead the Church in false healing (“patriotic” political action).
In Jesus, Steve
Thank you Andrew. I am truly saddened and apalled at the same time. I gave FACTS and research and it was as if it went upon dead ears and eyes. I don’t care if people agree with me, for that is not the point. The point is that there is a true need of discernment here and there are blinded eyes viewing this. It seems people are overlooking this stuff in “honor of not just Beck but America.” Yes, I am an American and I live in the USA and I don’t want to see America destroyed , but lets face it, it is becoming more and more like Sodom and Gohmorrah and now we are rah rahing a mormon that states 9 principles and makes everything look and sound good. I am telling people , GO TO THE LORD and turn the t.v. off for at least a week and search the Lord’s heart. Purge what you have learned and heard and then go back and listen . You will probably have a different point of view if you have taken the idolotry out of your being and repented . Hey we are all there. Some of us are seeing it and others are not.
First , and the one that sticks out the most is #4 on Becks list of stuff.
4) The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government. Marriage/Family – “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas
Jefferson.
Since when do we post and bow down to the things Thomas Jefferson said???????????? Since when do we disregard the fact that he was human and a Freemason and never renounced it ????????? Since when do we abide by these principles and not the bible??? Since when are “we, the family” is “ultimate”authority” ?????????? Did the Lord say that. I don’t believe so. HE our Lord, is the ultimate authority. Check the verses in the bible out Math. 10;34-36 . and other verses where the Lord is in control over ALL.
You can go down the 9 principle list and you can see where there is not one bit of Jesus Christ in it. It is secular and good sounding . But isn’t the “feel good churches the same”
This is time we must look within ourselves and stop getting so involved in what media and news says. It will pollute us more and we will hear the Lord less and less.
I challenge each of you to do the homework. The research. Put aside your thoughts of like or dislike for Beck etc.etc. and do the research. Check out not just the apologetics lists but check out many websites.
This man is leading people into a False Revival. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing UNTIL he has a true vision from our Lord , Jesus Christ, and comes to HIM on bended knee. Until then , there is a motive behind what he is doing.
Usually a “debate” one already has their minds made up. I am not going to sway you in what I say. Only the Lord is, and that means tuning out everything, every belief of flesh and turning to the Lord. Until then, this is a hot topic and NO One needs or should place blame or slander, or ugly remarks about anyone posting. This is something we can all learn from and in so doing set some of the captives free. If this continues to spread like it looks, we are looking at millions of people falling into the same traps as they did w/ Lakeland and they are being deceived.
I am not knocking anyone. I am staying in prayer and asking for my eyes to continue to be opened to HIS (our Lord’s TRUTH” Once again. we are to be true to no man, but our Lord Jesus Christ.
God Help Us All, because there is so much deception going on that one by one people are falling by the way side . It is in these little things that trap us.
I’m in totally agreement with Andrew’s post and Steve’s post and Nicole’s a BIG amen!!
Brother Andrew I have read the above post from brother Joel reference the “Tea Party” movement, the 9 principle’s and 12 values, etc. none of which would save ONE soul without The Lord Jesus Christ and I truly see this as you have stated a false revival and a very spiritually dangerous one indeed. Once again, man choose to disregard the headship of Christ Jesus, and the direction of The Holy Spirit and attempt to try to do things their way and as long as we continue to push the Holy Spirit aside and assume we are capable of changing anything on our own, there will be nothing but destruction in the end. What truly troubles me mostly about this entire thing, is that it is so clearly deceptive and yet professing believers are following after this, BOLDLY proclaiming it’s movement with pride, and truly believing this is of God. We as believers must be very careful of the speech we listen to and the people we follow, because clearly the enemy can take common beliefs, wrap it up in an enticing package and call it “OF GOD” so we must be spiritually in tune to be able to discern the truth from a lie. Everything about this movement is clearly false and extremely, EXTREMELY spiritually dangerous! No where in the list of principles and values does it mention JESUS in fact the very first principle is “America is good”?? Following The Lord Jesus should have been first on the list! This movement is spiritually dangerous and I’m saddened so many professing christians have veils over their spiritual eyes. I am not surprised, just saddened.
Andrew, wow you’re off base on this one. The tea party thing it is a political movement not a revival movement as you would tradtional think. It’s the same as a Christians joining arms with a catholic against abortion. The tea parties are about stopping the left wing juggernaut who want to rid America of all talk or free speech about God. They want God dead and have been removing all talk of Him out of our schools etc. and they have done an excellent job. All that is happening is Christians and others are saying enough!
We are trying to ensure that we have the right to preach the gospel and to do that we must retain the right of free speech. Which includes the right for Nazi and gays to hold rallys and marches- do i agree with there beliefs NO, but they must have the right to express their views, just as Christian must have the right to freely speak their views.
I do NOT worship Glenn Beck, Fox news or America but the living Christ and Him alone. Please brother try to understand if we say nothing and stand by in silence we WILL lose the right to free speech. I think your mixing apples and oranges.
Can a Christian never take a political stand? Charles Finney stood against slavery which was a political right in those days given by the government. He stood along with anyone who was against it-catholic, jew, heathen whatever. Does that mean he validated there belief systems no, he would then preach the truth and pray for there salvation. He was good friends with non-christian lawyers and judges and lived a true Christian witness before them. But he stood with them in unity on the one subject of slavery to right a wrong. That is all that is happening with the tea parties and conservatives.
I fear you have been listening to way too much left wing BBC diatribe against conservatives. You even voiced fear that fox news was stirring up the gun toting, right wing nut jobs to kill someone.
Which is what the left has been saying about conservatives for 20 years-did you know that? It is there montra-oh yeah and we’re all rasists. And no one has been attached at any tea party rallies but at the left wing rallies there have been assults and physical injury against a black amdn for selling American flags!
I do respect most of what you say but on this subject you are off base. I’ll have to humbly disagree with you on this one. Hope we can get back to foundational issues-holiness, purity, freedom from sin, true repentance, the life of Christ in the soul of men.
Finney said he could hardly mention politics from the pulpit because it was such a hot topic (with the civil war going) that it would send the people into such a rage it diverted them from focusing on the true condition of their souls, so he learned not to mention it because he was more concerned for their souls than their political views. Wise words from a wise soul winner.
Jeri Woods
253-988-0012
The Gnostic heretics of the first century gained many converts. So did the later Arian heretics. Did
this make their rising up within the midst of the church “moves of God”? No! The Holy Spirit is still the
Spirit of truth. Until our Lord returns, and we rise up to meet Him in the clouds at the rapture – let us
remember His admonition to the faithful Philadelphian Church:
“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall
come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast
what you have, that no one may take your crown.” (Rev 3:10,11 NKJV)
Remember – “He who endures to the end shall be saved.”
“Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.”
ONLY FAITHFULNESS TO HIS WORD PLEASES GOD
Jeri – I love you guys. Don’t get me wrong.
But have you ever tried switching the TV off for 2 weeks – to find out if maybe constant exposure to all this stuff is affecting you?
I challenge you to do it. This is serious.
-Andrew
Andrew-yes we love you also. I don’t need the challenge because I’ve done that almost all summer -too busy to watch. I don’t have constant exposure to all this stuff. Many days and weeks go by without me “checking in” on whats happening, but I do stay informed. I don’t watch Fox news endlessly either.
Trust me Andrew, I’m no push over or easily swayed concerning the truth about situations. Ask Chris if I’m easily decieved.
Also right now I’m too busy reading the Word, Asa Mahann, Charles Finney, Johnathon Edwards- their lives and sermons-I agree with some of what they say but certainly not all. Or I’m too busy weeping for America-really weeping, great snot blowing, heart aching, sessions with the Lord. I’ve been called to America since I was 18 yrs old. I don’t hate her but i love her- not the ground but the people, the lost souls or saved souls. Just as a missionary would love India and it’s people I love the people of this country.
Is the American government always right of course not. But I’m called to it’s people and not the government, but then again people make up the government.
I think it is deception to think under every tree the devil is lurking to deceive us on one jot or tittle of truth, what the true deception is is for individuals to think they are saved when in fact they are not- really to the individual this is the only deception that really counts. That is my mission as a preacher to give people biblical evidence of what it truly means to be saved and let them examine themselves to see if they have entered in through the straight gate and have the very living Christ residing in them. This is my course of study and prayer constantly.
Do you love your country and its people? If you do I find no fault in that. Would I think you love it over the Lord of course not. I don’t think God loves America more than any other nation-He died for all that all would come to repentance. But I would be naive to think that politics have no effect on nations-look at nazi germany!
I also have a brother-in -law that was raised in communist Bulgaria and heard the horror stories of that government and how they were educated in the schools that God did not exsist. I also visited Bulgaria when the Iron curtain fell with him and saw the jubilation of a country that was finally free from a communist/marxist regime. I’ll take the freedom of America any day and so would most of the world.
In Christ
Jeri Woods
Yes Glenn Beck did rally a group of “Americans” together the other day for the cause of saving or keeping the USA. I’m sure some of them where Christians. I don’t dis-agree that America needs saving or keeping. In Christianity we are called to rally around the cross. It’s always been that way and always will! Regardless if our country (USA) stands we still must still carry our cross daily. As the old hymn states: “I’ll cherish the old rugged cross, till my trophies at last I lay down, I will cling to the old rugged cross and exchange it someday for a crown”!
Just so you all know the Euphrates River is drying up as predicted in prophecy. I mentioned this because someone else posted the prophecy about it in this thread.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abirKaZF0Wpc
Iraq’s Euphrates River Dries Up, Adding to Drought, NYT Reports
If you do an internet search you will find no end to information on this.
And as for the debate that tears down this other guy just because he is a Mormon.
The religiosity just sickens me. They use the king James version of the bible and yes their added book of Mormon is a pain but they do not hold it up higher than the received scriptures. They do seek redemption through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Hence they call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints.
But I also notice that most of those that get on their legalistic band wagons do not have their own doctrine correct either. All they have is their religiosity that they use to tear down any other work done in the name of the lord because it is not their own.
Thank you Jeri for hitting the nail on the head. Also, I would like to ask, whom of us has spoken with Glenn Beck himself? May be a little presumptuous to throw some of these labels and accusations around — i’m not too sure that’s too biblical. Thomas Jefferson said only two things need be argued, religion and politics, the truth stands by itself. i add and most of the time HE does.
I have never heard of Glen Beck until this rally but I do know some things about him. God loves him and Jesus died for him and he is apparently standing up for righteousness. I don’t understand why some of you are sitting in judgement on him. He’s doing his best for God as he sees it now. What is wrong with a call to turn back to God? Sure we know that what America and the world needs is a Holy Ghost awakening and ultimately it will come but let’s be thankful for the good things happening now. To the assertion by some that we are not here to save the world or America, I would say get your heads out of the clouds. Jesus said that He didn’t come into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:17 and the end purpose of the Cross is that the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.[Rev 11] Every Christian should be standing up for kingdom values. That is not compromising the Gospel in any way. Jesus said “He who is not against us is on our side” Mark 9:40 Is Glen Beck against Jesus? Stop sitting in judgement on the man and pray for him.
Those who stubbornly adhere to the Word of God as the only standard of belief and practice are going to be
purged from the kingdom that both the New Age and Manifest Sons are laboring to bring forth:
Modern-day zealots want to use the name of Jesus, and the power of the Church, to transform the secular government of our world and to raise up a new religious order. Just like the Jews in Jesus’ day, they believe the land is theirs by right, and they want to take it by
force. And, just like the Jews in Jesus’ day, they will not allow anyone to stand in their way –
even God Himself! This so-called prophecy says it all: “As Jesus rose form the dead 2,000
years ago, so I have arisen in these days. As He conquered every foe by His resurrection, so I
have come forth to claim the victory in these days.” WHO is speaking here? He makes
himself distinct from Jesus, yet claims the same resurrection and victory. This is a sinister
reminder right away that we are dealing with another spirit, another christ. “For Jesus staked
a claim over every piece of ground on this earth and I have arisen to fully possess it…This is
the day when I will cast out the deceivers who have settled on land that rightfully belongs to
Me…For this land belongs to Christ and His Heirs and we are about to dispossess the ones
who have falsely possessed it. Come one and all for we must fight for our rights. Do as I say
and we shall surely reclaim our ground…” The imagery and “words” coming out of Toronto
meetings are growing ever more militant, with visions of swords, warriors, war dances, battle
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head-dresses, armies, and guided missiles being launched. At the Toronto Airport
Anniversary celebrations, [January 1996] where Gerald Coates spoke along with Paul Cain
and others, it was said that: “Some of us received war strategies that are not to be disclosed –
some things are almost too sacred or holy to be revealed.” Again, at a conference held by
Rick Joyner’s ministry Morning Star, it was reported that: “At one point, during four hours of
worship, there were many manifestations of the war cry a shout as one running into battle”.
The doctrine behind the renewal also supports a war, one that will eliminate all remaining
opposition to the new teachings. 325
Not only are the teachings and goals of both groups practically the same, but there is a remarkable
resemblance between the experiences that both groups partake of and promote. I think, or at least hope, that
many of the “holy laughers” would be dismayed to find that witches and those involved in the occult also
experience bouts of “uncontrollable laughter”. In an excellent article entitled, Holy Laughter and Company:
A Toronto Blessing or a Kundalini Curse? author Greg DesVoignes points out:
We have “tested the spirit” of this “anointing” using the Word and cannot find
anything to validate this phenomena. This should put up warning flags and tell us there is
something wrong. So if it is not found in the Word of God, if it cannot be validated by the
standard God gave us, where can it be found?…Holy Laughter and its benefits are not
confined to inside churches.
The WICCAN witch Carol Christ says in her book The Laughter
of Aphrodite:
“I laughed for hours and hours. All my private personal suffering…was dissolved in laughter…I felt transformed…and have always viewed what happened as a kind of spiritual
experience…People do not think of laughter as a spiritual experience. I now understand that
laughter can be a mediator of transformation. Gavreil’s laughter, like Aphrodite’s enabled
me to distance myself form pain, opening a new perspective to my life.” [Carol Christ, “The
Laughter of Aphrodite: Reflections on a Journey to the Goddess” (Harper and Row, 1987, pp.
5,6] 326
I am becoming increasingly convinced that many Christians are having these experiences because
they are entering into altered states of consciousness.
We make a great mistake when we proclaim that true believers can not fall away from the faith and
forfeit their salvation, much as Esau forfeited his birthright for a “bowl of pottage”. You can’t “lose” your
salvation and God will never take it away, but I believe that we can willfully turn away from Christ and
forfeit our salvation, “disqualifying” ourselves through our willful disobedience. I believe thousands of true
Christians are falling away today, just as Paul predicted and are forfeiting their birthright (their heavenly
hope) for an earthly bowl of pottage (an earthly kingdom established by Joel’s Army). As David Wilkerson
writes, they are falling away from Christ to Antichrist:
Right now we see a growing antichrist sentiment and conduct. But soon this will turn
into a flowing stream, and eventually, a vast ocean. And when the Antichrist finally appears,
even many former Christians will welcome him – because their hearts will be of a kindred
spirit! Paul warned of this. He said that in the last days false prophets would infiltrate the
Church, preaching another gospel and another Jesus. Many such false prophets have already
appeared, preaching the gospel of the Antichrist…The antichrist spirit is invading the hearts
of many apostate Christians even now. They are being absolutely possessed of evil. “But
how?”, you ask. Why would certain apostate Christians ever turn to the Antichrist? It is
because they are like-minded with him. John writes:
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the
world, the love of the father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and
the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world…” “..Little
children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there
many antichrists, whereby we know that it is the last time.”
John is warning us that those who still love the things of this world have opened
themselves to the spirit of Antichrist. He’s saying “You know these are the last days because
so many are full of the covetous antichrist spirit!” 315
The spirit of Anti-Christ has come into the Church through the Latter Rain revival of 1948 and it is
producing a “New Age” form of Christianity that is leading thousands away from Christ to Anti-Christ and
into the Great Harlot Church of Revelation Chapter 17. This “church” is pictured as being “drunken with the
blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus”. Not only do the Latter Rain proponents share the idea of a rapture
of the wicked with the New Age, they also share alike in the idea that the kingdom to come is going to be
established through much bloodshed and suffering. I believe that Satan has not only developed a lie to
explain away the rapture but has also developed one to justify the persecution and martyrdom of the
Tribulation saints as well. It is clear from scripture that most of those who come to Christ after the rapture
will be persecuted relentlessly and martyred for their faith. I believe that the chief agent of the Antichrist in
this world-wide persecution will be the Harlot one-world church.
When the Constitution “Hangs by a Thread” – The White Horse Prophecy in Modern Mormonism
Article: http://mrm.org/white-horse-prophecy
Well, I still struggle with this issue in some respects, but it seems to me that if the church in America was as interested in mobilizing and mustering up that much zeal and urgency to really preach the gospel as much as they ‘stood up’ and rallied for the Law, there might be hope for the nation. It’s interesting how you get many religions standing up for the Law too. Some of these religions also like to impose their will and morality through force I can’t help but mention. (It’s what religion eventually leads to.) Religion and politics is a dangerous mixture, or so history as well as current events seem to bear witness to. It therefore strikes me as strangely ironic how this rally was about preserving freedoms.
On reflection, I think in a nutshell it may be said that one difference between religion and real Christianity is that one seeks to preserve it’s way of life, while the other seeks to lay down it’s life and lose it. Hmm, that reminds me of something Jesus said..
2 Thessalonians 2:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or OUR EPISTLE..
16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
UNRIGHTEOUSNESS (SIN) IS EVERYTHING WHICH DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE WORD OF GOD
FALSE RELIGION IS EVERYWHERE – WE DO NOT NEED MORE FALSE RELIGION
As with this article on Glenn Beck and his mormon revival
FALSE RELIGION will always be FALSE RELIGION.
TRUE DISCERNMENT STARTS AND ENDS WITH THE WORD OF GOD
Luke 18:8 Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
As in the days of Noah most people are accepting false religion and being taken to hell by ignorance of the TRUTH of the Word of God.
@Khandie: Thank you. (Paraphrased) “If my people pray and turn from their “wicked” ways I will hear and heal their land.”
Our Lord Jesus Christ can raise up a rock to praise Him let alone lead a rally for Him. God will use anyone and anybody to speak to His people. If they listen carefully they will hear ONLY His voice.
The other day Glen Beck said: Don’t depend on Gold, depend on God and their are a lot of gold commercials on his program. As i said: I weep when i hear him (Beck). I have read Andrew’s posts for some time now and all i hear is ‘anger’.
Jesus died to remove God’s wrath. He didn’t die for nothing. God has no more wrath toward us. There are consequences to our actions (sins). We are all sinners, including me. And i still see and hear Andrew as a pharisee, however, Jesus even forgave them. I am sure God will forgive Andrew but i don’t see any good fruit from him…only anger and condemnation. There is absolutely nothing we can do to get us to heaven. Jesus is the only way. There is absolutely NO CONDEMNATION in Christ. NONE. zero…..leave Glen alone. Pray for him and yourself.
And as a brother wrote above.: If they aren’t against Him, then they are for Him (Jesus). Let good be good. If the Lord chooses to use Glen Beck, so be it. Accept it. Pray for this land so that many more can be blessed.
I appreciate your words though.
Bless you.
1 tim 4:1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
Matth 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
2 tim 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the
Wake up people we are living in the last days,….
@Nora, Beloved sister, I love you in the Lord and will never debate nor argue over such matters I will just accept that what you believe is what you believe however I will continue to strongly disagree with you concerning brother Andrew Strom. I have never found him to be as you’ve stated, clearly just the opposite. It seems when one boldly proclaims the truth of God’s word, then such a one’s speech is labeled as being filled with anger and/or condemnation. I suppose if Paul the Apostle were here today preaching the same messages, you’d think he to was filled with anger and/or condemnation for his speech and presentation was quite similar to Brother Andrew :-) Dearest sister, I speak only for myself in saying I personally would rather hear that type of preaching than to hear some watered down half-truth version of God’s word delivered to me in a manner that would entice and please my ears and flesh and neglect the most important part, my spirit! You say that you’ve seen no good fruit in Andrew Strom and I believe this is because you are viewing through the eyes of the flesh, and not the eyes of the spirit! There is much good fruit….Much!!!
You also stated :”Leave Glen alone…..” Dear sister, I have nothing personal against Glen Beck, this is a spiritual issue and has nothing to do with the flesh. My concern is for the Lord’s sheep, and what pasture they’re lodging in and feeding upon. :-)
I do love you in the Lord dear sister, I am not about hate, arguments, disputes, quarrels and the like as it serves no good purpose, but I am about truth!
God bless you and yours
Blessings to you and yours!
What in the world is going on here? Has anyone had a good look at what is really being said? It appears that so many of the posts here, both from the one who pastes the post and those who respond, are all about judgement, judgement and more judgement.
So much anger runs as a common thread through the post and the responses, that it’s not funny. In fact pride, anger & judgement stick out like sore thumbs!
It is true that there are multitudes of preachers who preach a false gospel, that there are various denominations, sects etc who proclaim a false christ and have a false religion with a false god – that is all around us and everywhere and has been for a long time – but there are also Christians (purchased with the precious Blood of the Lamb) who stand high on their pride and put themselves above others by saying that they are right and all others are wrong.
What is the difference between a ‘real Christian’s’ pride and anyone else’s pride? Pride is pride – and some of these posts are full of it.
Didn’t Jesus die for ALL people? True, not everyone accepts Him or His sacrifice – however, He still died for ALL and gave ALL an opportunity to accept or deny Him, didn’t He?
Not only pride, but anger (you probably call it ‘righteous anger’) and judgement run rampant through these pages. Who are we to judge others? Are we not supposed to love one another – even the unsaved sinner? Or do we feel more comfortable when we put the spotlight on others while we try to hide our own sin?
If you get a moment or two, have a look at the posts both here and in previous pastes… you may see a commonality…
Does not a spiritual man judge all things? (1Cor 2:15)?
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
The assumptions that some make about the Bible and Christianity regarding sin , and judgment, what is right and wrong, what is sin and what is not amaze me.
The Bible goes on to say:
Test the spirits…
There is wisdom in the multitude of counsel (judgement, discernment)
and on and on the Bible is full with the fact the we must observe a man’s “fruit” and by it we may know him we must judge whether the fruit is good or evil based on what Jesus Christ said– that very act is to judge.
The sole basis of assessing spiritual fruit MUST always be conformity to the Word of God itself.
When we start looking for God to do some “New Thing”, some “thing” not revealed to us in
the scriptures, we are setting ourselves up for a strong delusion and giving place to the Devil! The
scriptures are clear – God has in these last days spoken to us through his son Jesus Christ. Since the
canon of scripture was completed with the inspired writings of the Apostles of our Lord, there has
not been, and will not be, any “new” revelation by God. The Bible makes this perfectly clear, with
warnings in the beginning, middle, and end of the scriptures – warnings against taking away from or
adding to the revelation of God to man contained in the Bible:
“Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away
from it.” (Deut. 12:32 NKJV)
“Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him; do not add to
His words, lest He reprove you, and you be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:5-6 NKJV)
“For I testify to everyone who heard the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds
to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes
away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of
Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18-19 NKJV)
To these I could certainly add Isaiah’s admonition, “To the law and to the testimony! If they
do not speak according to this word it is because there is no light in them.” And many others.
The point is that if God gives any revelation to men today that revelation will line up perfectly with the
revelation He has already given “once for all” in His word. If it doesn’t then it is not from God. This
hunger for a “new thing” or “new revelation” reminds one of the pagan philosophers that Paul encountered
on Mars Hill, and the early Gnostic heretics:
“ For all the Athenians and the foreigners who were there spent their time in nothing else but either
to tell or to hear some new thing.” (Acts 17:21 NKJV)
R. C. Sproul writes:
The Gnostics were so called because of their view of revelation. The word gnosis is the
Greek word for knowledge. In many cases the Gnostic heretics did not make a frontal assault against
the apostles or against the apostolic teaching of scripture. In fact, many of them insisted that they
were genuine, Bible believing Christians. It wasn’t that they rejected the Bible; they just claimed an
additional source of knowledge or insight that was superior to or at least beyond the knowledge of
Scripture. The “gnostikoi” were “those in the know.” Their knowledge was not derived from
intellectual comprehension of Scripture or by empirical research, but was mystical, direct, and
immediate. God “revealed” private, intuitive insights to them that carried nothing less than divine
authority.
God is not giving any “new revelation” to men today. And neither is He doing any “new
thing” on the Earth. Any “thing”, any experience or knowledge that God has for his people will be
found in the scriptures. Any experience or knowledge that is not found among it’s pages is not for
God’s people. Yes, there are spiritual gifts, valid spiritual gifts – revelation gifts, like the word of
wisdom, the word of knowledge, and prophecy that I believe are just as valid for the Church today as
they were for the Church of the Apostles. I have seen these gifts in operation in the Church, and have
experienced some of them myself and they are a beautiful thing both to behold and experience. Very
edifying. However, when the revelations that come through these gifts go beyond or contradict, or
add to or take away from the revelation of God contained in the Scriptures then they are nothing but
counterfeits. Experiences such as “slain in the spirit”, “holy laughter”, “drunkness in the spirit” and
most of the others that are coming with the so-called “revivals” at Toronto, Pensacola and other
places simply cannot be found anywhere in scripture. The leadership of these “revivals” know this
full well – and have stopped for the most part trying to defend them scripturally. Tricia Tillin writes:
John Wimber came from Quakerism. Is this why he has traces of the belief in the supremacy
of the inner revelation over and above the written word? In his book Power Evangelism Wimber
explains: “God uses our experiences to show us more fully what he teaches us in scripture, many
times toppling or altering elements of our theology and world view.” From Testing the Fruit of the
Vineyard, by John Goodwin (former pastor of the Calvary Chapel, San Jose [1990]) who traveled
extensively with John Wimber: “It is a common statement of Wimber’s that ‘God is greater than his
Word’. This means two things. First, that there is an essential truth in extra-biblical sources, and
secondly that the phenomena experienced by attendees of Vineyard seminars and church services do
not need to be validated by scripture. They could, according to Wimber, contradict God’s word and
still be ‘from the Lord.’”
This directly contradicts the scriptures “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away
from it.” (Deut. 12:32 NKJV)
“Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him; do not add to
His words, lest He reprove you, and you be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:5-6 NKJV)
“For I testify to everyone who heard the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds
to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes
away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of
Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18-19 NKJV)
ALL TEACHINGS (INCLUDING MORMONISM) THAT DO NOT CONFORM TO THE WORD OF GOD MUST BE TOTALLY REJECTED BY ALL WHO WILL AVOID THE COMING JUDGEMENT OF GOD!!!!
Hi Andrew this is where i am saying u have to rely on the spirit of descernment, and watch and pray .
Thanks God bless.
Hello Brenda,
I do NOT wish to offend you in any way.
There is much anti-biblical sentiment and pseudo super spirituality on these sites and whilst I sincerely hope this does NOT apply to you I do feel obliged to comment on what you have said.
There is NO “spirit” of discernment any more than there is a “spirit” of love, joy and a sound mind.
The BIBLE speaks of the Spiritual Gift of discerning of spirits.
We are, however, literally able to discern spiritual truth by using the BIBLE effectively and relying on the HOLY SPIRIT to confirm HIS WORD to us.
We MUST be humbly submitted to HIS WILL to be able to discern TRUE and false teaching effectively.
May God bless you as you honour HIS WORD.
No cause is the answer. WE HOLY ONES are the salt of the world it is HIS presence through us that stops the onslaught of the unbelievers from our defeated foe! People change because of JESUS CHRIST then good happens to all because all good things come from above. GOD JESUS CHRIST is not saving America but HE is saving others wishing none to parish. HE wants to show the kingdom of GOD is at hand through HIS BRIDE and it is not from,of or for this world it is for those who are lost HIS KINGDOM TO COME! Come LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE LIGHT OF man.
There has been a ‘lot’ of ads on tv from the mormon’s, speaking of their families, jobs, and the good ‘works’ that they are doing; there is something going on.
We cannot look only at one’s beliefs [faith] and passion, but, to whom do they belong?
May we be filled with the Spirit so that His gifts flow, like the gift of discerning of spirits, so that God’s people are not deceived by the likes of men who are not of the one true God, but are liars, leading people astray from the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
May we be a house of prayer as the Lord has so spoken of His people to be, to show/reveal the way, the truth, and life of Christ, so that our Father in heaven is made known that there is only one true God who is Lord.
Once again, division and heresay from the conservative camp, steeped in fear and perhaps a little jealousy that someone “outside the camp” actually did something they couldn’t do themselves. The flak resulting from how the Lord used someone who was willing to “take the heat” is yet another example of spiritual knee-jerking. Its not about the label we want to wave around like a banner. If we aren’t lifting Jesus in the process – Who is greater than any label – we are missing the point. If God could use a talking donkey, He certainly can use any of us!
@Khandie Thank you for your blessing. Neither do i condemn nor argue. We are all God’s children.
The Lord says NO one can know the heart of man, for it is wicked and deceitful. We can only see the fruit and follow what the Holy Spirit says.
If you believe Andrew is not judging or angry then i believe you. Makes no difference. Only the Spirit will determine that and Andrew is in God’s hands, not mine. So is Glen Beck. He is trying to do something good and he gets attacked even by christians. Jesus was attacked in the same manner and He was followed by many to the mountain and Jesus preached and fed his followers. How wonderful. That is what i meant by letting good be good. Jesus preaching and loving so many without even a building or a temple around Him. That was unheard of and it was condemned by the so called good people of that day. I don’t follow anyone (not even pastors) without guidance from the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit guides, there will be conviction and weeping.
I apologize if i offended you sister with my words. It was not in my heart to do so. Andrew is a brother in the Lord. And you are a sister in Christ. Bless you.
@Brother Paul You are truly a man of God.
It comes down to what kingdom do we belong to, the kingdom of darkness or the kingdom of light. If the light that is in us is darkness, how great is that darkness. This rally is the light in them that is darkness, it is the harlot trying to ride the beast. We are not saved by knowing the word of God and the keeping of the law alone, which is what the rally was all about, we are saved when we are translated out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light, which the word testifies to and leads us to. Getting to that point is the working out of our faith with fear and trembling.
Dominionism is the common thread of all apostasy throughout the ages. It is the love of this world and what is in it. This is enmity with God according to James. Dominionism is Antichrist, for the Kingdom is Christ’s. We don’t have to take it back for Him.
He has given dominion over this world to Satan for a time, but Jesus is coming back to reconcile all things to Himself.
We need to be careful not to be Nimrods by joining in the rebuilding of the Tower of Babel. America is a tower of Babel and I believe it has been struck by God in judgment and the builders are confounded.
The people are clamoring for a leader and flocking to the ones with swelling speech whom God is raising up in judgment as Satan sifts and divides the people.
Linking arms with a false prophet to return the country to “God” is no different than linking arms with Satan to establish his kingdom. Beck has said over and over last weekend was not about politics but about returning to “God.”. He is leading a false revival and returning to a false Babylonian god. Do not be deceived. Satan and his false prophets masquerade as an angel of light and ministers of righteousness. What looks righteous may not be righteous. This is no way to return the One True God whose Spirit testifies of Christ.
What a SHAME! There are no Pastors protecting the flock! There are no preachers of Christ who have raised up to lead 600,000+ professing Christians in a true revival and returning to God….the real God. What a SHAME we don’t flock to true preachers of the Gospel but instead flock to a false prophet and believe God has raised him up to return us to Himself. God has raised this false prophet but not to return us all to Himself. Rather he is raised up at this hour as God’s judgment to test the people, to separate and judge among the cattle. Where are those charged with guarding the flock? Where are the pastors? Where are the true prophets? They are linking arms on stage in front of TV cameras for political gain, in order to save our source of livelihood and comfort, fallen America. And they claim to stand for restoring honor???!!
America is not the Kingdom, nor will it usher it in. America is fallen! We lead the world in decadence, gluttony, pornography and every vice known to man. The blood of the innocent cries out to God from our land relentlessly. Our missionary organizations sign international agreements not to preach the Gospel! Our churches preach a false gospel that leaves the people empty, starving, and unconverted! It has already happened. America has already fallen. The land is soured by blood and infertile.
The Word of the Lord went forth in this land long ago and the people stopped their ears. Now there is no word from the Lord. Famine is in the land. The land once fertile with the Gospel has dried up and become a desert. There is no fruit produced by this land. The people are hungry and bored and weary of wandering from this diversion to that entertainment. So they feverishly construct a golden calf false god to return to. They link arms around it with the blinded lost and call it a revival! We are pining for a land that is not our promised land. America is Egypt!
We must repent and turn away from this rebellion and return to the Lord for real. We need to stop seeking to save our lives, but be willing to give everything including our love of country up to Him. We need to seek His face and not His hand with humble hearts willing to give up all fame, fortune, political gain, and wealth to Him alone. Religious leaders have been trying to whip up revival for some time now in the name of saving our country or the world. Only the grace of God will provide revival and it will be to save souls out of this world before He comes in full judgment to set up His Kingdom. We need to stop seeking His hand and seek His face because the hand of His judgment upon the Earth is coming regardless of what we do.
Preach it, Hiddeninchristjesus!
It’s impossible to read all the comments, but I just have two things to add to “The Dude”:
1. I think the writer of the article was carefully politically correct which I am truly sad about.
2. When will Americans stop worshipping America?
I pray that God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sent His Son to die for our sins will have mercy on America and all American Christians. And that their eyes will be opened to the truth!
Keep preaching division as the whole world watches. Is that the one true Gospel? Help me, Lord. Revival can’t be “whipped up”; its solely by the Spirit of the Lord. Jesus preached: “If I be lifted up, I will draw all people to me.” I haven’t read much love on this site. Only about a vengeful God. Wake up, He is at the door.
We’ve heard II Chronicles 7:14 preached for years; it’s been the proof-text justifying the American Church’ immersion in politics. But more than that, it’s God’s word for healing our land.
“[If...] My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
I’d ask (leaving aside the larger question of applying this test to the practice of “Christian political activism”) if Glenn Beck’s rally DID any of the things God commands ?
Did it exhibit a spirit of humility, or of (falsely-) patriotic pride ?
Was its prayer in JESUS’ name, or in the “civic deism” of the pledge of allegiance ?
Did it seek God’s face, or the camera ?
Did it turn people from THEIR wicked ways, or castigate the sins of others ?
I’m skeptical that the rally was, as Andrew said, a “false revival,” leading the unwary AWAY from real revival. That would also be my concern with most “Christian political activism:” that it’s a human substitute for what God says He requires of us.
If we want God to heal our land, we must do what He says. Substituting something else doesn’t merely FAIL to heal: it delays, and ultimately blocks, our doing what God requires.
In Jesus, Steve
Amen, Steve. We have to stop beating people over the head and live in the love of Christ. Jesus walked in the miraculous and people were saved. The apostles walked in the miraculous and the world was changed. They all gave their lives, selflessly, to the cause of Christ. Repentance is Holy Spirit driven. If we would stop fighting amongst ourselves and allow the power of God’s Word to work, “revival” will happen. The Lord orchestrates it all. Stay focused!
@Andrew: You noted above that the Glenn Beck revival was false….and you said that no one is truly being saved.
How do you know that?
You don’t know that.
When you get down to the bottom of your soul and fully realize that you know absolutely “nothing”. Then maybe you’ll know something for sure and that is that we (you) know nothing and God knows everything. Grace alone.
Sorry, but you sound so arrogant. You might not be, but you sound it.
In God’s love alone.
Nora
Why is it that we take such hard -ness at one another? Why is it, we take things so personally ? Why is that when one writes something, others can take it out of context, or take it so personally that the flesh is talking or REACTING more than the Truth of the Lord.
You know, No one knows what is truly going on , that is correct. We are to look w/in ourselves and make sure that we have repented of all sins. That includes pettiness and attacks on one another that is not necessary. Idolatry and all of the other things.
A false revival is one that Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior is not UPHELD and spoken of. No one in that group had the guts enough to speak out and say I LOVE MY LORD, Jesus Christ, HE IS MY ALL IN ALL and we must come to HIM and REPENT OF OUR SINS . BOW DOWN TO HIM, ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. LET HIM CHANGE YOU , LET THE HOLY SPIRIT CONFORM YOU INTO HIS IMAGE. LET US PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME.
Maybe I am wrong. Did you hear or read where any of those pastors, or speakers say that ???
NO one is truly knocking Glenn Beck but questioning the motives and the POSSIBLITY of there being a falseness. A God and A Jesus that every mormon will tell you is not Jesus Christ the Son of God and I repeat AND THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN IN THRU HIM . Our Father, we must come to HIM for salvation.
Sorry Nora, that was not preached. That is what this is all about. Maybe there were those that truly got transformed. I hope so. I also hope there were those that have been truly transformed by Benny Hinn Crusades and Todd Bentley Crusades, and Rick Joyner and Patricha King and all them. Yet I can also say that there are alot of deception and alot of evil spirits that have been transfered to others that have an open door.
For those seeking the Truth and Nothing But the Truth of the Lord Jesus Christ, will be brought into the Lord’s arms. For those that have opened doors, unrepentant sin, unforgiveness , or has anger or hate or other hidden sins will have to answer to God (however He chooses to bring that about) All we are asked is to love one another and be Christlike and being Christlike entails alot. You can’t be Christlike and turn around and take things so personally in the flesh. – oh you can but that is doubleness.
SO let’s be nice to one another and not attack each other. Pray for Andrew or those that you might think have a “wrong attitude” And forgive and MOVE PAST IT and HOLD THE TONGUE. UNLESS someone has purposely offended you. Then do what the bible says !!!
Once again, being saved in the name of Jesus and having baptism and repentance is the way of true revival. Unless we hear those stories and not the “feel good stories” then it is just another hoopla , not true Revival. Time will tell.
I want to hear stories of how the Lord, Our Jesus, changed this person , that person, brought them to their knees and they saw the sins of their life and cried out to the Lord.
Now, when that happens, I hope Glen Beck and others will report it and praise our Lord, Jesus Christ.!!!!
I also believe that if One of those 200 pastors had enough GUTS to come out and pray , and that includes John Hagee who I understand (I did not watch , so I need to be corrected if I am wrong) But I don’t believe he said “we need to come to our Lord, Jesus Christ, and bow to him and HIM alone for our land to be healed. We need to repent of our sins and turn from our wicked ways and lay down our idols from jets to sail boats and come to church and lay our lives down for our Lord, Jesus Christ so we can have REVIVAL and allow HIM to heal us as we come forth.
Now, like I said, each of the pastors had an opprotunity to declare this and to state on national and international t.v. all of this. BUT DID ANY OF THEM????? not thus far. Yet , I am sure they all took up their tithing plates the next day and like I have listened to “if you do not tithe , you will not be blessed and you are sinning” but of coarse that is another topic and I will not start that here.
Point is, there is so much of self in all of us that have not come to the cross. All we can do , is look with in ourselves and BE HONEST and allow the Lord to purge it out of us.
Blessings to all,
Hate…such a useful tool. Spreading lies and half truths about a religion you know nothing about…sad and pathetic. You people are so disturbed by Mormons that you lose sight of what is taught by the God you say you believe in. You say Mormons worship a different God and are not really Christian, yet the cornerstone of their belief is in the King James version of the Holy Bible…wow…what a screwed up bunch they must be. You people are sad and pathetic purveyors of hate and lies. You will be judged by yout actions. To try to dispel the great work Glenn Beck is doing by using a kind of racism based on religion…is exactly what he and those 240 preachers, ministers and other stood on stage to stop. Judge not lest you be judged…I fear for your souls if you continue the hatred of your Christian brothers in the LDS church.
Glenn Beck is earnestly searching for the truth and in doing so he has urged hundreds of thousands of people to also search for the truth. He will keep searching and they will keep searching. If half the people who are posting here were as “spirit filled” as their fat bloated egos would have them believe they wouldnt be posting some of the mess im reading here now. If you werent so spiritually blinded by your own sense of self importance you would know there is a very strong possibility God will lead Glenn Beck out of mormonism and into a true Christian walk of life.
Do you honestly believe if Glenn Beck were to stand and say each person needs to get on their knees and search for the one and only true God that those who hear him will get on their knees and say something like “come to me mormon god and show me mormon ways of mormon life”. Of course they wouldnt do that and of course God would reveal himself to them as he has done since the days of Adam and Eve and the garden.
@Nicole: How does a person come to church? How do they go TO church? Do you not understand that YOU (and i…all of us) ARE the church. You don’t go anywhere except to Jesus. He is the cornerstone. He is the way. No church (building or temple) is going to get you saved when you go to the alter. You go to Jesus wherever and whenever He leads. Church buildings can become idols just like boats, planes, etc.
Please Nicole……wake up to the “truth”.
Glen Beck has not asked anyone to follow him. And he has been asking for testimonies of how people’s lives where changed. You actually need to listen to his program to actually have a non-judgmental opinion.
We don’t NEED signs and wonders (i.e. gold dust, jewels, laughter) Only a perverse generation asks for signs and wonders. He and only Jesus is the SIGN and the WONDER.
Sorry…….but you are so asleep.
Back to the original post: I sat down and read Jeremiah in two sittings the other day. It gave me the big picture. I never realised before how the officials and royalty of Israel saw Jeremiah’s prophecies as so anti-patriotic. In short, Jeremiah was was saying Israel must surrender to Nebuchadnezzar, he is God’s appointed servant, you will be taken into exile, do not fight against him. But their pride remembered their glorious military past and they fought against Nebuchadnezzar and lost. Some were destined for the sword, some for famine and some for exile. Once God had made his mind up no amount of bargaining or prayer could turn his wrath away.
Now, I’m not saying the US is Israel but I’m simply pointing out that the prophet of God regularly brings messages that the establishment reject and will seem unpatriotic, and he will be perscuted for it. Andrew has mentioned ‘time’ being called on the US and this is a distinct possibility. I am not prophesying this is the case but it is a possibility that the US will go into ‘exile’ so that God has time to work with his remnant in the land.
Nevertheless, in the time of Jeremiah the remnant were not faithful in the face of Nebuchadnezzar. They were warned not to flee to Egypt. They gave into fear and fled despite asking Jeremiah for a word. Jeremiah followed them to Egypt . . . and so did the Lord, he cut them all down, all who did not stand firm on God’s promise that he would establish them in the land.
If American christians are the remnant left in the land then you must not flee to ‘Egypt’ or any other worldly organisation to safeguard your future. The Lord is your future and your very great reward. Do not make hasty alliances with ‘foreign nations’, do not fear what they fear, do not be paniced by the state of your country. Be moved to prayer and cling to the Lord.
Let us not be put off by those posting among us to divide us. I find much encouragement here: together we have the mind of Christ. Be strong and stand in the Lord and in his strength. Test everything, as many of you do, love each other passionately. If you post, do so with the very words of God as if He Himself were looking and reading. The man of God makes judgements about all things but let us not condemn. God’s delight is on all the saints who persevere in the land.
@nicole: you’re not missing a beat sis. Run that race girl; don’t let them cut in on you. Wide awake! I’m cheering you on!
no I am not asleep. Your right we are the church. But I also know that when people say that , I understand what they are referring to and pass over it. I don’t condemn or even correct them because that is so minor and off the subject. I forgive you. Therefore we need to act like the church and not look inbetween the lines for things that can be misconstruded. The alter is the alter whereever one makes it. It can be at home by their bed, in their car, in the midst of others. The point is — Glen Beck and no other should be exhaulted or uplifted. I never said – Glen could not be saved. I have said that he is not recognizing our Lord Jesus Christ as HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR.
Talking about signs and wonders/ gee, I don’t look for them, but you know who did and MADE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT. Glen Beck . And he talked on his show, all about the geese flying in formation. Well, God made geese to fly in formation. Did He (our Lord) do that , at that point and time.? I don’t know. But gee whiz, Glen thought He did and made huge points about all the work he had done and the denials he had about the timing to the Patriotic Flags that he wanted flown over the reflection pool at a specific time.
And by the way, I have watched Beck. I watched him and cheered him on and listened to all he has said _— UNTIL God called me to turn off the t.v. stop listening to him and start going to the places(websites) that our Lord wanted me to learn things FROM HIM. —— I had to purge, reflect and repent. On bended knee , crying out , because I saw that I verged on the midpoint of placing man and news, t.v. before my Lord., listening to the Patriotic spirits of this nation. Getting off of everything and relying totally on what the Lord was showing me helped me to understand much more and to see much more. The key was when Beck kept calling “go to the man, Moses, get a stick like Moses and run the race” That man Moses knew what he was doing ., go do the same.” Man, once I had purged all and looked w/in myself of anything else, I heard loud and clear MY LORD. Not man. I am not debating anyone. I am professing my lord Jesus Christ and it is HE that should have all the Glory. Not some man who is NOT a christian standing w/ those that are christians that don’t have the guts to say REDEEM US LORD < we repent and come to you , Please shed your LIGHT UPON US and allow us to repent of our sins. – hey they were in an open stadium type atmosphere. They could have had church there. No building, just hearts that wanted our Lord more than ANYTHING ELSE. placing all idols on the "make believe alter"
Like I said. earlier on. God can do anything. He can cause Beck to have a rode to demascus just like Saul . I hope he does– but until then Beck is a professing mormon and their Jesus is stated to be the brother of satan. Now, is that in your bible? Are we little God's. like mormons state and go to our higher self — hey those are spin words. Course of Miracles bible. Been there done that, ain't going back. That door has closed many years back and my Lord, not the "higher self and the self proclaimed saved me."
I am not debating nor getting into a word fight with you or anyone else. Think what you may and search your own hearts. I know where mine is. It is focused on the Lord. That might sound self righteous But my Lord understands what I am saying , thinking and how my heart is turned to HIM and HIM alone.
Best thing we can do, is pray that all eyes, including Beck, D. Barton, all the dominionists, contemplative churches, emergent churches, new age gurus, and everyone will repent and search their hearts for OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. Oh, and lets not forget Todd Bentley, and all the charismania that has gotten out of alignment. Deception is wide spread and we are only responsible for ourselves yet we pray for those that are lost.!!!!!!!
Blessings my folks,
Okay, I appologise. After reading more of your posts here…I have changed my mind. Mormons and you people here… don’t believe in the same God, because the God I believe in, the one “they / we” believe in….would be embarrassed by your rhetoric and self rightiousness in these posts. “I will pray fro Glenn Beck… I didn’t know he was Mormon”…..”Maybe he’ll wake up and become a real Christian”…..If you people are the Christian right….. this country is in trouble….because there is obviously no room for truth or love of your fellow man…unless they subscribe to your exact diatribe in what you believe. People like you are why I am proud to be a Mormon. How many books have Mormons written about the wrongs of your religion….???….none…yet you people just keep cranking out books and articles about what evil people we are and how we plan on taking over and blah blah blah…if you spent as much time building up your faith and religion as you do tearing down mine…maybe you would be gaining members as fast as us Mormons…;)
PS it’s Glenn…with 2 n’s…Beck…..;)
You are condeming…or trying to “save” a man and you can’t even spell his name right….LOL
Ron, “self-righteousness” doesn’t have an “i”.
Ron,
no one said “you were evil” as far as I know. I said and maybe others, you are not christian and hold the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal and ONLY Savior. That there is no other way to come to the Father except thru our Lord Jesus Christ. We all want to see people come to our Lord Jesus. The one True and only savior of our Father God Almighty. I hope one day , you will also have a “road to demascus ” experience. On bended knee, or just standing and raising your hands acknowledging our Lord Jesus as YOUR personal Savior. Repenting of a false religion and allowing the TRUE JESUS to come into your heart and then who knows you might lead others to do the same. This world and life is not about us. It is about our Lord Jesus and the Love He has shed for man. But you have to acknowledge HIS WAYS and become Christlike and that comes w/ a cost. So, Ron, I hope the best for you and may the light of our Lord open you to HIS UNDERSTANDING. — if you want it , it is there , just for the asking. If you don’t , well, I know what our bible says .
By the way, the geese flying in formation, it could have been a sign, but hey Todd Bentley at Lakeland Revival had eagles or some kind of bird flying over the stadium also, and it was considered a sign from the Lord. Look how that ended. He was on stage w/ Paul Cain and they were doing drop-punch kicking on recovering alcoholics. Yet people were deceived. Glenn Beck doesn’t seem the type to look for gold dust , but he sure did proclaim that it was “a miracle of God” It could have been, it could have also been a lying wonder, or lying sign. Don’t know the answer and I won’t debate. Only God knows.!!!!!
Blessings to all,
I believe the article misses the point.
When are believers going to stop putting their trust in men and in politics, and start trusting in the Living God who can change hearts and move mountains?
This is just another distraction yet again, to get people’s focus off where it should really be…and that is on seeking God’s face about what He wants.
Jesus never endorsed a politician or a quasi political movement. He said “seek FIRST my kingdom and my righteousness”
Yep, a distraction.
I really believe that is why the Word says not to argue over theology. It only causes harm.
Do we believe the Word or not?
America is the leading country that have brought the gospel to most of other countries. Many missionaries are from America. It is sad to read that now they have anointed a Mormon as the spiritual leader. What has happen to the christian pastor of America are they not standing up to lead their flocks? Rick Warren, Peter Wagner, Bill Johnson, Charles Swindoll, Henry Blackaby….etc, are they Amercian’s pastor?
Lord God, Sovereign Almighty, ruler of the nations, King of kings and Lord of Lords, the Holy One, the Righteous One, you are the King of the earth, all nations belong to you and you are the One addressed in the first 1606 Charter, that opened English settlement to these shores. It was You, that was addressed, that the gospel of Jesus Christ should be the central focus of every settlement. It was You, our forefathers knelt to, erecting a wooden cross on the sandy shores of Virginia. It was You that was addressed in the Mayflower Compact whose first words were “in the name of God, Amen”. It was You, the pilgrims knelt to and blessed, the God of heaven. It was You, that Governor Winthrop wrote, “We shall be a city set upon a hill.” It is You, Lord God that brought William Penn and modeled peace with the first peoples. It was You, Lord God that brought the black regiment of preachers to all across the continent to preach your words, to prepare your people to be able to stand for liberty. And it was You that was addressed in the Declaration of Independence, as the Creator, as the author all inalienable rights. It was You, Lord God that was declared that was the one who created all equal. And it was You Lord God that called us to account when we broke the treaties with the first peoples. You called us to repentance. And you oh God called us to repentance when we did not live up to our creed, and we did not treat everyone as equal. But Lord, we found out that you are a God of forgiveness, you are a God of covenant. You are a God of restoration, you are a God of healing, and you have healed us, and you are healing us. And we come to you now, to the mall in Washington, and we come to you in humble repentance, for the shedding of innocent blood. And we come to you in repentance for not modeling marriage among your people. And we come to you once again asking for healing, for restoration, for recovery and for reconciliation. We know you’ll do it because you’re God. And your son Jesus Christ is the eternal redeemer, the King of kings, the Lord of Lords, and so we honor you for your word declares you will honor those who honor you. We come back to you today, and we see you as the restoring God the King of Kings and in Christ’s name and for the advance of your kingdom, we once again say, may God bless America. May we be one nation under God, in Christ’s name, Amen.
This was the first prayer of the day at the rally. Would this be a “Christian ” prayer to the Lord Jesus, or not??
It was delivered by an un-named “pastor”.
Mormonism is NOT BIBLE based it is based on the extra biblical revelation to their prophet Joseph Smith and can not be substantiated by any means other than blind allegiance to the teachings of this man and his followers.
Mormonism cannot be permitted to permeate genuine christianity any more than the other false teachings that are circulating and deceiving many people into forfeiting their salvation.
NOT KNOWING THE WORD OF GOD OR ALLOWING IT TO INFLUENCE THE WAY WE LIVE AND RELATE TO GOD OPENS US UP FOR DECEPTION –
ONLY FAITHFULNESS TO THE WORD OF GOD WILL ENABLE US TO LIVE A LIFE PLEASING TO THE TRUE GOD.
The Word from God for all who are involved in unbiblical, antibiblical or extra biblical religion is:
2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
God has provided a way for all BUT only the truly repentant and those humbly submitted to HIS WILL (NB as taught in the BIble) rather than the false teachings and vain imaginations of men and demons will be saved.
What Does It Mean To Be Ye Separate? – 2 Cor 6:17 Come Out from Among Unbelievers, and Separate Yourselves.
2 Cor 6:14-18 “Don’t Team up with those who are UNBELIEVERS or who refuse to believe the truth but have pleasure in the vain imaginations of men and demonic teaching.
How can RIGHTEOUSNESS be a partner with WICKEDNESS? How can light live with darkness? What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a BELIEVER be a partner with an UNBELIEVER? And what union can there be between GOD’S TEMPLE and IDOLS? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said: “I will live in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they will be my people. (17) Therefore, COME OUT FROM AMONG UNBELIEVERS, and SEPARATE YOURSELVES FROM THEM, says the Lord. DON’T TOUCH THEIR FILTHY THINGS, and I will welcome you. And I will be your Father, and you will be my Sons and Daughters, says the Lord Almighty.”
A person is to withdraw from fellowship with all unbelievers and also from all believers that do not obey the Gospel.
2 Thess 3:14-15 is talking to believers as it says,
“And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.”
Correct this person, admonish him, and do it in meekness and in the fear of the Lord, the Bible tells us. Remember, God’s Word is always perfect and is profitable for correction. God’s Word tells you how to live, if you are a believer.
Every time you disobey God’s Word, you give Satan an opening. The Bible warns you, neither give place to the devil.
The Scriptures show us that Satan goes about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him and he will flee from you.
God’s Word shows us that a believer of the Word of God is an abomination to an unbeliever and vice versa. Listen to God’s Word.
Cathy….It’s a little iffy…..The prayer “sounds” like a confusion between The Father and Jesus Christ.
As I said earlier….the words are the same….but the definitions are different.
Check out the person’s definitions.
Ron….Jehovah is NOT about the number of members in a denomination.
Jehovah is about the TRUTH, THE WAY, AND THE LIFE.
Please check out the historical documents of the Mormon church written by Brigham Young and compare to Joseph Smith’s statements. Check out the first versions of the Mormon bible and D&C with your later versions.
You can find these manuscripts at your Salt Lake archives.
There are many people in EVERY denomination who SINCERELY love the Lord, but that does not mean that they have the truth. Do not depend on mankind…..check out the manuscripts and pray for the knowledge of the true God to come forward.
to hiddeninjesus
the Scripture about not loving the world or the things of the world is about not loving this worldly system which is under the influence of the evil one. but remember God so loves the people of the world that Jesus came to die for them. If we love the people of the world then we will want them to be saved. That’s not dominionism. Jesus loved us while we were yet sinners and that’s how we are to love others.
God said to Jesus and therefore to His Body [believers] “Ask of Me and I will give you the nations and the ends of the earth for your possession” [that is for the Kingdom] and Jesus taught us to pray that God’s will be done and His Kingdom come on Earth as it is in Heaven. Is that dominionism? I believe that the Bible teaches that the Church is here to bring the world back to God and to love and serve others.Every person is someone whom God loves and Jesus died for and Jesus said whatever you do to one of these even the least of my brethren you do to Me. [and don't tell me that's only the Jews or the Christians. That's a cop out!]
AMEN AMEN.. Heidi144, Jerry Miller, Darren Sargent, Wakarusaguy.
MORMONS AND OTHERS:
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
(BEWARE PEOPLE….those devils who believe there is one God are going to the lake of fire!)
The “12 VALUES” are BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION OF THE FLESH, NOT THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NOR HOLINESS….WHICH IS WHAT GLORIFIES GOD AND DRAWS MANKIND TO JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOR AND LORD OF THEIR LIFE.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also OUTWARDLY appear righteous unto men, but WITHIN ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear BEAUTIFUL OUTWARD, but are WITHIN full of dead [men's] bones, and of all
uncleanness.
Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees MAKE CLEAN THE OUTSIDE of the cup and the platter; but your INWARD PART is full of ravening and wickedness.
But our Creator, the True God of gods, the Great I AM, desires to give A NEW HEART to all mankind….A NEW LIFE FLOWS FROM A NEW HEART.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!
God has provided a way for all BUT only the truly repentant and those humbly submitted to HIS WILL (NB as taught in the BIble) rather than the false teachings and vain imaginations of men and demons will be saved.
Hebrews 4:12
For the WORD of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
@Nicole: Thank you for your forgiveness. After re-reading what i wrote it did sound harsh….but there were no motives in my heart to offend you.
Our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me many times that we are created in His image and when we speak with words, we create. If we would create with our words, perhaps the church body would get out of the building and walk by faith in the Living God instead of the world’s system.
Men (not just pastors) have made the church into an organization instead of a living organism (Body of Christ). They want donations and give the people back a receipt so they can write it off on their taxes. People should give freely because it’s the right thing to do not because they get a write-off. That is the world’s way, not God’s. When non-profits become part of the world’s system……IRS, government, etc. then they are walking hand in hand with the world’s system….
I apologize and i sincerely thank you. (for your forgiveness)
Bill
Your first statement – which you presented as fact: “Faith and patriotism were lifted up — two items that the Left despises.” is absolutely untrue.
I wrote recently: “When people militantly embrace lies as truth, they bind themselves to the lie and the father of lies, no matter what they pray- they cannot be free because the TRUTH shall set them free!”
The truth is that the ‘left’ are just as patriot and many have just as much faith in Yeshua, Jesus, the Carpenter as the right. They simply disagree in their politics…
However, having stated a lie as your a priori statement, it doesn’t surprise that the mass got snowed by a guy who lies for a living and who worships a god who has nothing to do with either Yaweh or Yeshua.
Your commentary on Mormanism is great- but to get to the heart of the matter- you have to first embrace the truth that people can be deeply in love with Jesus, be very strong Christians and be utterly patriotic- and not agree with your politics.
Some of this is to different people
. Let’s start w/ Bill.
Your welcome . You know I am hoping and truly praying that you and I w/o realizing it could start something NEW HERE. There is too much friction and tension w/ some of the writers and the replies are at times just as bad. I read something recently and it struck me in an awesome yet fearsome way. ( a Godly fearsome way) I have been in both worlds and right now I am out of the one world truly waiting upon the Lord for direction. But in the world we always come against “the world , the establishment and we kinda expect. We come out of the world and we find no difference AT TIMES w/ the behavior and replies from others that are calling themselves christians. I find it sad, because there is so much anger and animosity in a lot of these posts. I read something that is so true. God will judge us on our behavior towards others. Even when we are “sharp” w/one another or we differ w/ one another (in an angry or hostile way) That is not being Christlike. Years ago, in my profession , I used to preach and teach on forgiveness and replying in a decent way. ALWAYS IN LOVE. At that time, I didn’t realize I was actually teaching of Jesus. I didn’t realize I was in training and HE was teaching me about persecution and the heartache He endured and not shooting his mouth off everytime someone disagreed w/ HIM. I come to websites like this one and others and I see how opinionated and hurt and angry so many are. I have learned from this website. I have learned that many carry “the world still w/ them and unforgiveness” Whether it is from churches and their teachings or whether it is from growing up or whatever, we are truly suppose to LOSE all of that and empty ourselves and forgive one another . Hey , I have grown kids and I know the heartache of having to step back, allow them to fall and keep my mouth shut as I watch them muddle thru some of their own situations and I can offer advise or my “opinion” but somehow they don’t want it. So I have learned to pray and go to the Lord , because HE is the only one that can really do anything about it. When someone doesn’t want to take “lesson” or possitive critizism because they have something w/in themselves that are issues , then all one can do, is present the facts, step back and pray. It might take years but we continue on and persevere . The main thing is WE , AS CHRISTIANS, being CHRIST LIKE must FORGIVE and HOLD OUR TONGUES or at least try and resolve in LOVE what one said. Many times, our blogs are so long, (and I am guilty of that ) that we “skim” them and really not read everything and we are taking things out of context and reflecting on our own “feelings” . When we are willing to forgive, NORMALLY, not always, (for if there are issues or spirits controlling someone) normally the outcome is like yours and mine. We reread, and understand and forgive and let it go and move on. Sometimes not replying makes things worse because we (as humans) harbor our feelings and then it eventually comes out somewhere else. So, Bill , thanks for replying, understanding and yes, the church system has gotten to us all. I am sure all of us have suffered under legalistic thithing, church going and leadership. But even that, we need to let it go, learn from it, forgive all and that MEANS ALL that has hurt us or not listened to us. When we do that, God listens much more to us and releases us as we release our pain to HIM. Believe me, I have had volumns of kleenex boxes used up from both the secular and the church. But in these end times we will come across much worse and we need to know how to handle it. E-mailing and blogs get misconstrude many times because we write and no one can hear the voice or the truth in the persons eyes. And many times it comes out more harsh than we mean. I hope others will read this and any harsh words or words against someone else that has been spoken will be remedied. We all have voices and we all need to use them wisely NOT accusing the breathren and slandering them because they think differently. We are to pray for them.
There should be no debate about anything I am writing. Let’s all just reflect upon our own lives and just be thankful we have a safe place that we can share our thoughts and CONSTRUCTIVE WORDS and maybe some blogging friends that don’t always agree, but can still love one another.
2nd part next.
2nd Part of this. – Sorry, I am long winded. But this fellowship is about the only on I have right now, as the Lord is teaching me HIS WAYS. I am still learning.!!!!
Cathy,——— the prayer was “nice” I know nothing about this preacher, but the prayer I have heard before. The prayer comes from – originally years ago, for THE CALL. Lou Engles. It is what a call a “canned prayer” one of political correctness that David Barton has reworked and they added and deleted to bring in all the forces of the past forefathers. I don’t know the heart of the pastor or who he is rubbing shoulders w/. I know this, IF everyone there or just a stream of all those so called true christians that were there had BOLDNESS enough to get on their knees and ask God to forgive them, as they lay down their idols including patriotism, and all the “hidden sins” of their life , I just wonder if REVIVAL would have truly broken out. One can not go to these type of functions and expect things to change when the person is unwilling to ask the Lord CONTINUOUSLY Father, search me, purge me, show me, what I have that is not pleasing you that is still in me. I repent but I want to know so I can be truly YOURS . We have learned to repent “unknown stuff” and unless our hearts are true to the Lord we continue on w/ it thinking it is o.k. For instance. A good movie. It is rated PG and it looks benign. We are at home, in private and half way thru the movie, there is a sex scene w/ to gays. We allow ourselves to watch it and it is uncomfortable but we ask God to forgive us. Next time, a month later, we start another movie (or whatever vice it is ) and it is a little less uncomfortable. And we don’t think anything about it -much. Little by little we become conformed to that or WHATEVER VICE it is. (I am using one situation but it is something that we all have to pay attention to) — That is what is happening w/ many of these groups. They are converging into one for the sake of “our forefathers, and nation” using God as the pawn. Those that see it , will not be involved in it. Those that don’t see it, see nothing wrong w/ it. We have had huge ministries and now the mega ministries are involved in all of this and it at times made me wonder if I was the outcast. But when God took me off of the t.v. and as I focused on HIS WORD and HIM , I realized I was not the outcast. I am a remnant. And that all comes w/ a cost. Family , friends, bloggers, etc.etc. We uphold Jesus . Period. Yes, I love America. But I love Jesus. more. I love my kids and my husband, but my Lord is the Ultimate.
Happy Trails, ——-Now I understand Beck a little more. I thank you for your post. The twelve steps. Dah!!! I did wake up when you said that. He is a twelve stepper. One of the world. AA has twelve steps. I now see how he has NEVER depended on JESUS CHRIST but on a worldly system and program to get him thru. I can say this, because at one time I was hooked on perscription drugs. It was Jesus that brought me through and delivered me. NOT alternative medicine, doctors, or anyone else. It was the Lord. When we look to programs FIRST our eyes are shielded. We give glory to the program then to a God or God and move on and sometime in our path we still have not let go of “that program” and it again works and we use it. That is all of the world. I am not saying we don’t need help and programs but what I am saying is there comes a time that we have to trust God/ Jesus/ our Lord, and walk thru the fires and testing and let the rest go.
This is sad and funny at the same time. I just got an e-mail from a christian card company. Sept. 12 is encouragement day. What a hoot/!!!! That is another “worldly event ” that now christians have taken on and made a day out of it. We are to encourage daily, not one time a year. Just like Father’s or Mother’s day, christians I am talking about , not the world, think that on that special day we need to be “nicer” to our parents. Honor them more, take them out, visit etc.etc.etc. How sad , how we have watered down GOD”S WORD and fallen into secular behavior and exceptance.
For those that are critical and looking at my spelling. I have lots of misspelled words. So please over look them .
I do bless each of you and love you , though I don’t know you, May the Lord teach each of us HIS MEANINGS, not our opinions or the worlds standard . Most of us that do the research realize that mormonism is a cult. We can debate all day long. But until the Lord shows you and leads you and we put our political teachings aside, we will not see HIS KINGDOM TEACHINGS. We will continue to debate and try to convince others of our thoughts. Look up the facts, yourself, study and search the Lord’s heart, Check out all the pastors , their churches, their “guest speakers” and you will find that Beck hand picked each of these people and they ALL HAVE AN AGENDA. I hope it turns to GOD”S AGENDA, not mans.!!!!!!!!!
Blessings,
Nicole.
The evangelicals say they have it right and they are the ones that will be accepted by the Lord.
The Mormons say that they have the real infilling of the Holy Spirit and they are the only ones that will be accepted by the Lord,
The JW’s say that they are the ones that have it right and that they are the ones that will enter the new heaven and the new earth because they will be the ones that will be accepted by the Lord.
The Catholics say that they are the only true church and they are the ones that have it right because they are the only ones that will be accepted by the Lord.
The Pentagonals say that they are the ones that have the full anointing and they are the only ones that will be accepted by the Lord.
The open brethren say that they are the only ones with the right doctrine and they are the only ones that will be accepted by the Lord
The closed brethren say that they are all there is and only they are going to be the ones accepted by the Lord
Wayne says that he is the only one that understands the gospels and only those that follow him will be accepted by the Lord.
Somehow everyone forgot to ask the Lord who he is going to be accepting or not, from what I gather from the scriptures his criteria is not based on if we got our doctrine right but on how we treated our fellow servants
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
The call is for the nation to repent and turn back to God or the judgements of the Lord will be poured out. Well guess what some guy made a start and who tore him down. The Christians because he doesn’t have his doctrine quite right. But the call to repentance is that we turn back to God, it was not that we get our doctrines right, that only comes later as we learn and grow in the Lord. Turning the hart of the people of the nation back to God is what the call of repentance was all about so as to stop the judgements of God falling on the nation.
But the harts are not going to turn back to God are they, they are going to turn to fighting over the correct doctrine, So be it, The judgements must therefore come.
I do agree with the first poster. We need to pray for Glen Beck… but – - I would expand this thought.
We also need to pray for Jan Markell of course.
And in all reality, I do not know which one needs it the most, or is doing the best job, or is the most misguided. I do think they both have good intentions… … and both have a following of sorts.
Both need prayers, as do we all.
Point being – - I do not fully agree with either one of them!
I do not think though, that – - all is as it seems. To me, in looking at the “Current Financial” problems that the USA seems to be facing – - it appears that the Political leaders are playing “Musical Chairs”. Neither one appears to have a true solution – (As Andrew has somewhat correctly espoused) – so they keep playing the music, giving up and then gaining some chairs – - wondering under WHO’s watch, the music will stop. (hence who will be blamed.)
Naturally, the party that is OUT of power – - at that time – - – will shout and scream and end up with the MOST power, AFTER the Crash.
If you are whom you claim to be than you will be honest and print this:
“Now this is the commandment: “Repent, all ye ends of the earth! and come unto ME! And be baptized in MY name! That ye may be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost,
That ye may stand spotless before ME at the last day!”
“Behold , I have given unto you MY gospel,
And this is the gospel which I have given unto you_
That I came into the world to do the will of My Father , because MY Father sent ME;
And My Father sent ME that I might be lifted up upon the cross;
And after that I had been lifted up upon the cross,
I might draw all men unto me.”
“For behold, verily I say unto you that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost are one;
And I Am in the Father and the Father in Me and the Father and I are one;”
“And at My command the heavens
Are opened and are shut;
And at MY word the earth shall shake;
And at My command the inhabitants thereof
Shall pass away, even so as by fire.
And he that believeth not MY words,
Believeth not MY disciples;
And if it so be that I do not speak, judge ye;
For ye shall know that it is I that speaketh, at the last day.
But he that believeth these things which I have spoken,
Him will I visit with the manifestations of MY Spirit
And he shall know and bear record;
For because of My Spirit, he shall know that these things are true, for it persuadeth men to do good;
And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of Me,
For good cometh of none, save it be of Me,
And I AM the same that leadeth men to all good.
He that will not believe My words Will not believe Me, that I AM; And he that will not believe Me will Not believe the Father which sent Me; For Behold, I Am the Father;
I Am the light and life and truth of the world.”
‘One of the main purposes of the book: “Which is to show unto the remnant of the house of Israel how great things the Lord hath done for their fathers, And that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever.
And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting Himself unto all nations.” These are all passages from the Book of Mormon.
Mormonism is NOT based on the Book of Mormon!!!!!!! It is based on the Doctrine and Covenants which contradict the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I am so sorry that so many Christians bash the Book of Mormon because of false beliefs held by the Mormon church! They will read all these terrible things said about the book : but they will never read the book itself! The Bible is being bashed over and over, does that mean that I do not read and believe the word of God!!!! The Book of Mormon was to be a second witness of Jesus Christ and witness the truthfulness of the Bible, It does NOT hold up all of Joseph Smith writings !! The Book of Mormon actually puts down the teachings of the LDS church, the ones you mentioned. It says that Jesus is not a brother to Satan!! Heaven forbid. It says that the Father and the Son and the holy Ghost, “which is one God” it teaches against polygamy, It says we must all repent and come unto Him and be baptized! Please publish this letter so that the truth may be shown. Thank You, I am a Christian and true believer of the MOST HIGH GOD!!! Vivien Willis
FALSE OR ANTI BIBLICAL TEACHING WILL ALWAYS BE FALSE OR ANTI BIBLICAL TEACHING.
Satan tempted Eve by asking if God had really said what HE REALLY did say and she was prepared to accept his temptation to disobey. This is the same temptation leading ALL people into false religion today.
ONLY THE GOD PRESENTED TO US IN THE BIBLE IS ABLE TO SAVE US!!!!
ALL ELSE MUST BE REJECTED TOTALLY BY THOSE WHO WILL BE SPARED THE COMING JUDGEMENT OF GOD!!!!
There is NO confusion NO room for personal opinion for those prepared to humbly submit to HIS WILL.
The vain imaginations of men and doctrines of demons which cannot be substantiated by HIS WORD can ONLY lead to eternal damnation.
Faithfulness to HIS Word is what God requires.
Unfortunately the Bible warns that the last days will be as in the days of Noah.
Ignorance of the TRUTH of the Word of God will take most people to hell.
Dear Traveler,
I agree with you on most of your points there! Jesus is the Truth, the Light, the Door we must walk through and Worship! When true believers in Christ get together and leave their organizations doctrine and their man traditions at the Door, Christ comes and sups with us!!! That is the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF THE LAMB!!! We are so busy with our one-up -man- ship ( I know because I have done it) we put ourselves before God and our Fellowman. God told me in no uncertain terms that I needed to take the false god off the Throne of my heart and Put HIM back on it!!
I repented and wasted no time in doing so!! ( Big Smile)! God is interested in our heart!!
I do not know what Glenn Beck believes or does not believe as far as his church affiliation! But I do feel that he and others have been sent to wake up this nation! And I believe they are doing it!
I believe we should be on our knees constantly for our country!
The other nations do look toward this country for HOPE ( real Hope)!
For centuries the Lord had called the Israelites to fulfill their calling, they did not ; so the gospel went to the Gentiles! ( That does not discredit their keeping the records of the Old Testament for us. For their many contributions I am so grateful!) Now we must do our part or our sacred callings will go to others who are determined to do it for the Lord! God BLess,
To Cathy, Sept 5th , thank you for publishing that beautiful prayer!
God Bless You!
This was a message given to our little Worshippers of Christ group
Given to Jerry Willis
Sept 19 &20,2009
America, Oh America!
I have warned you of the enemy within, and you heard Me not! Now comes a time like no other!
This land is undergoing a trial and out of this trial shall come renewal!! For this land is a precious land unto me! I Will that all who live here shall serve ME, or they shall be swept off.
STAY YOUR HEART ON ME, AMERICA, for the wisdom of the world is perishing, and all the learned that will not hear ME shall perish. For I AM HE who has ruled from the foundation of the world.
There is good and evil. Choose Ye this day who you will serve. I see many who still love ME! Therefore, I will save them from the destruction to come.
Remember, oh, Remember you did not choose ME! I have chosen you!!
It is the same this day as in the past. Those who would vault themselves up, shall fall, and the ones you think not, shall be raised by MY HAND!
I AM the Light and the Life of the world, and without ME ; ALL is DARKNESS!
Look into YOUR hearts MY people, and tell me what you see there. Have the evil things of this world overcome you? You fight against others who are believers and think you do good work. You believe you are wise, and know ME. You have much to learn. I do not fight those who believe, but I strengthen them! I help them grow strong in Faith. I want you to soften your hearts towards all others and think yourself foolish for believing that you are right and they are wrong!!
Look at ME, MY children and know who and what I AM, For I AM The First and the Last and besides ME THERE IS NO OTHER!!
Your world I have created and I know all that takes place.
Fear Not for I AM with you Always, Even So, Amen!!
In a very short time I will fulfill all MY promises, and the things you shall see will be GLORIOUS in your eyes, but they are foretold by MY Prophets of old. They remain with ME.
Men may say these words are not of me for they do not uphold what men believe to be true. If you do not ask, you will not receive . The truth is not hard to find if you really seek , it will be given you! Ask ME for I send NONE away. Seek ME for I AM HE who upholds.
Listen NOT to the voice of men , no matter how personable they are or how much they have sounded as if they had authority of ME. My Authority is ALWAYS FILLED WITH MY SPIRIT AND UPLIFTS EVEN THOSE I CHASTIZE; For I read the heart and I cannot be fooled by anyone or anything.
There are many who play at being Holy; but ONLY ONE is HOLY! Bend your knees , MY Children and learn I do NOT misunderstand the hearts of those who call on ME!! MY SMALL ONES, I have great compassion for Thee! I will always be close to You until the end come, fear not what man can do, but fear what God can do.
Blessed is he who hears and obeys MY Voice!! MY LOVE is with you Always, and I SHALL cleanse every stain if you will trust in ME ONLY! AMEN!
There are those among you whom I have called and there are some I have not called. This should be easy to see if you will hear ME. Those who speak in MY PLACE, and make their office above others might do well to ask of ME! For I told mine Apostles that, “it should not be so among you! (matt 20:25-28)!
When You are converted, strengthen the Brethren.” If this be not the case, Follow them not! For I have not changed. I AM the same today as yesterday. Do not listen if I AM changed.
MY LITTLE CHILDREN, You are precious to ME and I know the errors that are among you. They can easily be corrected if your heart is not hardened.
What would you that I DO? I do not put new wine in old bottles less both be lost.
I will and already have begun NEW things. My people meet often and seek ME. For it is I they wish to follow. Why is this so troubling to some? Do they not know ME? I AM not bound by the traditions of man, regardless of the assumptions that I CAN only be what man wants. I never have been under man’s control, but read your scriptures and you will know ME.
You must come to ME with FULL PURPOSE OF HEART or I cannot receive you! If you who are bound and wish to be free: “COME AND LEARN OF ME FROM ME”. Open your heart and your ears and your eyes. That you might see , hear and feel ME!
All things are possible with ME, and nothing is possible without ME. Fear Not, MY Children, All things are as they should be and as they will be. Forever more.
Amen!!
Oh! MY PEOPLE, I would that you understand MY LOVE is ENDLESS. I love All MY Creation, and I do not create things that are of no value. I would, MY People, that you try to find the good things in life so that your heart can remain in a state of softness towards others. I would that you believe all things that are good, for if they are good, they are from ME. I would that you judge only between good and evil and choose the good.
Remember that I AM HOLY! I will always remain HOLY! Therefore where ever I AM is HOLY! Nothing that I say to you is meant to give you power over others, but it is to bring all who will, to ME.
I WILL give MY blessing to each and everyone who opens their heart, and mind to ME. I want ALL to turn from that which keeps them from ME. I have given all things necessary to FOLLOW ME! I say, “ Come unto ME, My little one’s for the night is fast approaching and Time will not wait.
I have loved you from the beginning and still love you. Hear MY words, search your heart today, cleanse all thought of self for MY SAKE, and take your cross and follow ME to a place of peace and rest where you shall be protected and raised up as a calf in a stall.
I have naught but good to offer you if you will HEAR ME THIS DAY, MY CHILDREN. Peace be with you, MY Peace I give unto you, not as the world gives, give I unto you, but a strength of Peace in your heart, give I unto you, that you shall know where you belong,
You who hear come, and drink from MY LIVING WATER, taste of honey, and milk bought without money and without price.
Come , My little ones and live. These Words I speak to your SPIRIT that you will understand later as time moves forward. I say unto you, “ LOVE IS THE ANSWER. FOR LOVE IS THE ENDURING OF ALL THINGS. EVEN AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING IS NOW AND SHALL EVER BE!! Amen and amen!!
Good posts, well said : Moll and Diana, (and anyone else writing in same opinion, I did not get through all posts!) I could not have worded this , let alone better, myself !
Amen, to Nora and Wendy! If we do everything right and have not charity we are nothing!!
To Wayne, “For I testify to everyone who heard the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds
to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes
away from the words of THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, God shall take away his part from the Book of
Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18-19 NKJV) Wayne you mentioned this as meaning the Bible….The BOOK is the Book of Revelation…..it was not put in the Bible Chronologically…THAT WARNING IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BOOK OF REVELATION…But I agree , anyone would be a fool to add or take away from its words! It is a beautiful revelation of Jesus Christ and His Work!
God Bless You , Wayne!
Lets be careful about what we comment because we were all LOST at some stage with our own false gods and beliefs. There are are still a lot of people lost in their own ways and ideals, including sadly born again Christians also. There are still many who have not been given an opportunity to accept Jesus or reject Him. And accepting Him does not mean you need not repent daily and change your ways and once saved always saved.
We should know by now that God loves sinners but not their sin. Sometimes I feel that it is the behaviour and the self righteousness of Christians that hinder people accepting the message of the gospel. Its a gloss that covers the simple of the gospel. That gloss has to go if we are going to be effective in this world.
Just have a read of some of the comments posted in this blog or any Christian blog!
Do we ALL truly worship the same Lord Jesus Christ in the same spirit and truth? Or are we divided in our own faiths? Is Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, the one and the same? If it He is then why do have so many differences among ourselves?
We panic at everything that happens around us, is this not a reflection of our own spiritual condition? And please take note for most of us, the persecution has not even begun yet.
If only Christians can encourage one another and not only those from their own church or “tribe” and show compassion and love like Jesus did, we will win the world over, mormons and all. If we can get together to study our bibles and pray more often instead of watching tv and arguing over self righteouness, we will make great progress.
If we get on our bended knees and wash ourselves with the Word daily we will see the dirt coming out of our ownselves.
Vivien Willis….The Book of Mormon has been PROVEN by archaeologists and historians to be a FRAUD AND A PLAGIARISM OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE.
If you will check Salt Lake’s archives, you will also find TESTIMONIES OF WITNESSES TO JOSEPH SMITH’S VERBAL RECOUNTING OF THE DISCOVERY OF THE BOOK OF MORMON.
These testimonies show that Joseph Smith CONTRADICTED himself so many times in writing and Joseph Smith CHANGED the Book of Mormon that was given to him , supposedly, by God Himself.
Vivien…If your church reads or hears what you just wrote in your comment above, you will be in danger of being ex-communicated.
The Book of Mormon and the King James Bible is what the missionaries are equipped with for their door to door missionary service. I know because I have invited many Mormon missionaries into my home; My brother-in-law is a Bishop in the Mormon church; and my mother-in-law has been a Mormon for 28 years and was married in the temple; and I was a property manager for a condominium project in Provo, Utah, where MANY of the retired HEIRARCHY of the church lived.
The great great grandaughter of Brigham Young was able to access documents that a TYPICAL LAYMAN MORMON would not be able to obtain. Those documents were photocopied and exposed to the public beginning in the 1960′s. She and her husband had to have police protection for a time because of death threats and bomb threats.
The following article has their website and other websites:
Joseph Smith Egyptian Papers
Main article: Kirtland Egyptian Papers
The Tanners have specialized in reproducing documents that would otherwise be inaccessible to the general public. For example, in 1966, they were the first to publish Joseph Smith’s Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar, which today is usually called the “Joseph Smith Egyptian Papers”. Prior to the publication, few LDS followers were aware of the existence of these documents, but their distribution by the Tanners, along with the Church’s retrieval of the Joseph Smith Papyri a year later, has prompted discussions and debates that have extended over the following decades.
The Book of Abraham papyri were thought lost in the Great Chicago Fire. However, in 1966 ten fragments of the papyri were found in the archives of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. Subsequently, an additional fragment was located in the LDS Church Historian’s Office. They are now referred to as the Joseph Smith Papyri. Both Mormon and non-Mormon Egyptologists agree that the Book of Abraham is not a translation of these papyri, and that the papyri were not written by the hand of Abraham. Rather, the papyri are portions of Egyptian funerary texts, dating to about the first century BC.[4] The text bears no resemblance to the translation given by Joseph Smith, although Mormon apologists have argued, without any evidence, there are several parallels. As a result, the interpretation of the texts has been the source of significant controversy with Mormon critics and apologists differing on the reasons for the discrepancy. The Tanners view the discrepancy as evidence that the Book of Abraham is solely a 19th century work by Joseph Smith with little if any reference to the descriptions and facts the Mormon church makes available to the public.
Other valuable photo mechanical reproductions include complete sets of early-LDS periodicals, including Messenger and Advocate, Times and Seasons, and the Millennial Star. Also notable is the reproduction of the 1825 edition of Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews, complete with the margin notes made by Elder B. H. Roberts in preparation for his posthumously published treatises A Book of Mormon Study (also known as Studies of the Book of Mormon) and A Parallel.
The Tanners have also compiled lists of changes to the text of the Book of Mormon and other texts used by the LDS church, arguing that the alterations are substantial and that the inconsistencies in the texts are evidence against LDS claims of their being divinely inspired. This is because LDS claim the Book of Mormon is the most correct book. If divinely inspired, there would be no need of corrections or alterations.
The Tanners’ best-known publication is Mormonism: Shadow or Reality?. Originally published in 1963 as Mormonism: A Study of Mormon History and Doctrine, and reprinted five times since, it has been described by Dean Helland of Oral Roberts University as “the heavyweight of all books on Mormonism”.[3] In it, the Tanners question the character of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon, and discuss the different accounts Joseph Smith gave of the First Vision. It includes copies of original LDS documents.
In 1999 the LDS church sued the Tanners for Internet linking, from their website to a third party, the copyrighted Church Handbook of Instructions, and received a favorable injunction from a judge. The lawsuit was settled out of court before an appeals court could rule on what observers described as a potentially landmark case concerning internet linking.[4]
Between Temporary Orders, the Tanners posted on their site an e-mail from a reader that said: “Church Handbook of Instructions is back online!” The e-mail went on to list three Internet addresses at which copies of the entire Handbook or portions of it could be obtained.
Selected publications authored by the Tanners
* Mormonism : Shadow or Reality ?, a long, densely-written work full of reproductions of early Mormon documents accompanied by commentary. This has subsequently been revised and is the basis for their more readable later book, The Changing World of Mormonism. In the ex-Mormon community, this is considered to be the most important book the Tanners have written.[citation needed]
* The Case Against Mormonism, Vols. 1-3.
* The Mormon Kingdom, Vols. 1-2, is considered an excellent treatise by many ex-Mormons for documenting Joseph Smith’s and Brigham Young’s dictatorial behavior.[citation needed]
* Evolution of the Mormon Temple Ceremony: 1842-1990, includes the complete text of the 1990 changes to the temple ceremony and examines many other changes made to the ceremony throughout the years. Because the temple ceremonies are considered sacred by Latter-day Saints and are not generally discussed with non-members, this book’s treatment of the temple and the ceremonies inside is considered to be offensive by many faithful Latter-day Saints.
* The Changing World of Mormonism (paperback, 1979). Moody Publishers. ISBN 0-8024-1234-3
* The Utah Lighthouse Ministry maintains archives of their newsletter, the Salt Lake City Messenger, as well as a collection of online books, including the following:
o Tanner, Jerald and Sandra. (1981). The Changing World of Mormonism (Moody Press) is the most thorough exposition available of their LDS religion critique.
o Tanner, Jerald. Tracking the White Salamander (Salt Lake City, Utah: Utah Lighthouse Ministry, 1987), gives Tanner’s description of his encounters with Mark Hofmann and the reasons for his conclusion that Hofmann’s “discoveries” were fraudulent.
* Mormonism—Shadow or Reality; Utah Lighthouse Ministry; ISBN 99930-74-43-8 (1964; Paperback, 1992)
o LDS apologist review of Mormonism—Shadow or Reality
o FARMS Review of Mormonism—Shadow or Reality
* Tanner, Jerald & Sandra. “Mormon FARMS: Battling The AntiMormonoids,” Salt Lake City Messenger. May 1996 (Issue No. 90).
* Sandra Tanner interviews on television program Polygamy: What Love Is This?:
o Episode 106 (17 July 2008)
o Episode 202 (15 Jan 2009)
o Episode 236 (10 Sept 2009)
o Episode 308 (25 Feb 2010)
utlm.org
One of Jan Markell’s examples of what she thought a successful Saturday event reads, “Faith and patriotism were lifted up – 2 items that the left despises.”
To me, faith equals God and patriotism equals mammon. Am not saying that patriotism is wrong. It is a respectful way to be mindful and loyal to men and woman who protect and serve their nation, and it’s laws. But christians are taught they can’t successfully serve God AND mammon. It’s either one or the other.
So a rally that is political should stay just that. Political. Because with politics, men will fall, disappoint, backslide, be caught in some form of temptation at some time in their careers and they shouldn’t speak for the Lord in these rallies. To me, Glen Beck gave his listeners the impression he was leading them to a spiritual awakening. If he was consciously doing this or not, I don’t know, but it seemed by his words that he was hoping his audience would believe that they were there for a divine purpose and that things would change for the better, and that he had revelation, an anointing to speak to them. This shouldn’t be. If he didn’t LIFT up Jesus, then he should not take any spiritual credit from his speech. He can take political credit, but shouldn’t take spiritual credit.
Also, Jan Markell’s statement “2 items that the left despises”. This remark is disappointing coming from a christian woman, as she seems more interested that the “left” are unhappy and despise something. Isn’t it a christian’s duty to love the “left”, pray for them, hope for them, speak blessings, not curses, about people that Jesus died for? Is it a christian fruit to show vengeful feelings about a group of people that the christian doesn’t agree with because that group of people despise something good?
And, painting everyone who is “left” as despisers of God’s word is wrong. Painting those who love God and country as “right” and good, versus painting those “left” as hating patriotism and faith is very very divisive. It stereotypes. It is an exagerating and it is a lie. It says we have the right to demean and condescend others because we think they don’t know the truth. This is what happens when christians want church/state to be one. They become divisive; and in their mission to spread the gospel with politics they become terrible witnesses to the world, because they eventually get frustrated, angry at the left, start to speak their minds about the liberal party, politicians, and become contentious. And, again, they are put up on a pedestal and eventually they take a fall.
Where does this contention with the “other side” go? It turns off those who might be open to the message of the gospel, and souls are at stake.
If Glen Beck or any politician, or any news anchor, or talk show host, or news contributor, who by the way is being paid much more than any of us here could imagine, feel they are “called” to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, then that should be their goal. But, they know what that costs. It costs them a lot. They can’t get good ratings, might lose their jobs because they profess Jesus as their Lord and Savior and can’t compromise, they lose the big paycheque, they lose friends and high-society acquaintances, they lose everything that was important to them, attention, praise, adoring crowds.
To me, there’s a spirit of hatred and divisiveness that is at the bottom of the american political debates, and some christians are too blind to see what is happening. Some movers and shakers have hijacked the church. They are exploiting the church for votes, donations, while they promise a new political party that will follow christian attributes. But their fruit? The fruit I’ve seen is snark, hatred, taunting, an underlay of racism, laughing at the poor, calling them lazy, believing that those who have no health care are all cheaters and are too cheap to buy their own. These comments are from so-called christian politicians. And, ANY politician who supports the death penalty is NOT a follower of Jesus Christ.
There won’t be a revival of the church until it repents, and I include myself in that, but a repentence and denial of following the malicious talkers. When I was truly saved, I had those “burdens” like all my sisters and brothers, who said they felt that extreme love for the lost, all men of all pursuasions, where they just felt to pray and pray, with a deep love for those. If christians can’t hold their tongues and stop personally attacking the “left” all the time, including their Commander in Chief, then what hope lies in the church’s testimony?
Jacqueline you are so right!
I would like to paste a comment from Heidi144
“”Heidi144 Sep 5th 2010
I believe the article misses the point.
When are believers going to stop putting their trust in men and in politics, and start trusting in the Living God who can change hearts and move mountains?
This is just another distraction yet again, to get people’s focus off where it should really be…and that is on seeking God’s face about what He wants.
Jesus never endorsed a politician or a quasi political movement. He said “seek FIRST my kingdom and my righteousness”
Yep, a distraction.”"
It wouldn’t matter what religion/denomination Glenn Beck belongs too…..The conclusion is still the same!
It is a FALSE revival/awakening/ or restoration.
Historical revivals/awakenings BEGAN with RESTORATION OF GOD’S TRUTH AND THE BODY OF CHRIST……NOT RESTORATION OF A COUNTRY/GOVERNMENT. Afterwards, the body of Christ INFLUENCED the country and government by seeking God’s will and direction for the country in prayer…………NOT POLITICAL PARTY AGENDAS, POWER PLAYS, OR ELECTION SUPERFUNDS.
This FALSE revival smacks of dominionism (I believe someone else mentioned this) which is exactly what the MUSLIM RELIGION PRACTICES.
We belong to another Kingdom….We are IN the world, as is our Kingdom is in the world……But neither our Kingdom nor its citizens are OF THE WORLD.
Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. If you are walking by the Spirit of God, then you know absolutely where you belong and where the boundaries have been drawn by God. Whether it is Beck, Graham, Dobson, or Rick Warren.
Excellent comment Heidi144.
Thank you also for your comment Christian.
I strongly believe that the same applies to the Bible in its entirety as applies to the Book of Revelations specifically in this instance.
Any perversion of the Word of God leads to another religious faith altogether from that which God intended so I am convinced that the same standard applies equally to the whole Bible as applies to the Book of Revelations.
So travler, what do you have that will cause people to follow you and be accepted by the LORD? Without obeying the Word, none of us will have it right. The Word tells us exactly how to treat our fellow servants and the Lord accepts those that REPENT.
Also, where does Wayne say that he is the only one that understands the gospels and only those that follow him will be accepted by the Lord?
God Bless all
Traveller,
Apostasy was also a major issue in the early days of the church but was able to be dealt with immediately by the Apostles themselves.
Jude verse 3:3: “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was ONCE delivered unto the saints.”
Although the apostate church is in a particularly grievous state and has been very successful in deceiving the majority of people who like to refer to themselves as “christian” I refuse to believe that things are so bad that the remnant church faithfully holding on to the TRUTH consists of ME ALONE.
I know that I am NOT the only one left who has retained the basic fundamentals of the christian faith as taught in the BIBLE. I know there many people who are refusing to bend the knee to the prophets of Baal and are holding on to the FAITH once delivered with ALL the perseverance and commitment to faithfulness that the HOLY SPIRIT has empowered them to have.
These basic fundamentals of the christian faith ONCE delivered to the saints includes the following:
Statement of Faith
I wholeheartedly believe in:
(1) The divine inspiration, inerrancy and authority of the Scriptures, also known as the Holy Bible as being the only rule for faith and conduct.
Sola Scriptura.– (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21; 1 Peter 1:24-25)
(2) The one and only true and living God, eternally existent in three Persons, in unity, equality and distinction – Father, Son/Word and Holy Spirit.– (1 John 5:7)
(3) The inherent corruptness of mankind through the fall necessitating personal and individual repentance from sin and faith towards God leading to regeneration by grace through faith alone in the atoning Blood of Christ. I believe in the eternal separation from God and conscious punishment of the finally impenitent.
– (Romans 3:10-11 & 23; 6:23; Revelation 20: 15 & 10)
(4) The virgin birth, sinless life, atoning death, triumphant resurrection, ascension and abiding intercession of our Lord Jesus Christ.– (Is 7:14 & Matt 1:23; John 8:46 & 2 Cor 5:21; 1 Cor 15: 1-4; Matt 28:6; Acts 1:7-11; Heb 4:15 & 7:25)
(5) The regenerated state and progressive purifying of the believer by partaking in the finished work of Christ.
– (Rom 5:1; Heb 10:10 & 14; Hebrews 2:11)
(6) The Sacraments of Believer’s Baptism by total immersion and the Lord’s supper, also known as the Lord’s Table and Holy Communion and in the institution of the Church, the body of Christ, whose sole foundation and possessor is its builder – the Lord Jesus Christ.– (Matt 28:19; Mark 16:16; Romans 6: 3-11; 1 Cor 11:23-26; Matt 16:18)
(7) The shedding forth of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost resulting in the Baptism into the Holy Spirit referred to by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11 c/f Acts 1: 4-5, and in the perpetuation of the ministry gifts of Christ and of the ministry and gifts of the Holy Spirit throughout the Church Age.
– (Acts 2: 1-4, 33, 38, 39 and 16-18; Ephesians 4:11, 12; 1 Corinthians chapters 12 & 14)
(8) The literal gathering of the saints to be with the Lord. His pre-millennial return in like manner as was His ascension and the period of the millennium, which is yet to come.
– (1 Thess 4:16-17; Acts 1:11; Revelation 20: 1-7)
(9) The voluntary giving of offerings by God’s people for the alleviation of the poor and needy within the church community and the support of the ministry towards the extension of the Kingdom of God.– (1 Cor 16: 1-2; 2 Cor 9:7 & 9)
SOLI DEO GLORIA – TO GOD ALONE BE THE GLORY
SOLO CHRISTO
CHRIST ALONE
And there is salvation in no one else;
For there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
who gave Himself as a ransom for all,
the testimony given at the proper time.
1 Timothy 2:5-6
SOLA SCRIPTURA – SCRIPTURE ALONE
The law of the Lord is perfect, restoring the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple.
Psalm 19:7
SOLA FIDE
FAITH ALONE
Therefore, having been justified by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand,
and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 5:1-2
For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works,
lest anyone should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9
SOLA GRATIA – GRACE ALONE
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness,
but according to His mercy,
by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
so that being justified by His grace
we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Titus 3:7
But the free gift is not like the offense.
For if by the one man’s offense many died,
much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man,
Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Romans 5:15
THIS IS THE TRUTH OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME
“Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall Find rest for your souls. But the said, We will not walk therein”
(Jeremiah 6:16).
God’s people must get back to the old paths — the paths of righteousness and holiness. The ancient paths that lead to eternal life. What we need is a big dose of old-time religion!
Unfortunately, many people equate “old-time religion” with the legalism of the past. I’m not for legalism, unless, of course, legalism is defined as obedience to the Word of God.
Everywhere we turn today, Christians are being told that “God is doing a new thing.” Such foolishness pervades the airwaves and the shelves of religious bookstores. Is there any truth or proof that God is doing a “new thing?” No!
What is new is man’s latest attempts to validate his experiences and his lukewarmness with misinterpreted, misapplied and misunderstood passages from the Bible. Actually, it’s not really new, either. Man has been doing this since Adam blamed Eve and God for the mess he found himself in:
“… the woman that thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree…” (Genesis 3:12).
Men today are trying to develop a Christianity that will fit with the lifestyle of the 21st Century. Through “new revelation” and “new thing” theology, they are watering down the Word and making it of no effect — in their lives and in their evangelism.
Only the living water that Christ gives will satisfy. Remember what He told the woman at the well:
“Whosoever drinketh this water shall thirst again, but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life” (John 4:13-14).
The wells of living water are found along the old paths of
righteousness, and not on the superhighways of compromise.
he church, for the most part, has abandoned the old paths, and, in turn, has abandoned that precious fountain of life that is Christ. Jeremiah, speaking God’s Words to a generation that was all too like this one, penned these words of the Holy Spirit:
“For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns that can hold no water” (Jererniah 2:13).
Many in the church today, including many preachers, have abandoned the fountain of living waters and created their own brand of Christianity — a form of Christianity that is perverse, pernicious and powerless, but profitable.
In Revelation 17:15 John the revelator writes:
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
In the Full Life Study Bible, Brother Donald Stamps makes the following comments concerning this verse of Scripture:
“The whore sitting on many waters indicates that there will be one ecumenical, universal, apostate religious system in the first part of the tribulation. This will be replaced by the religion of the antichrist when he gains great political power.”
Where will it all end? Right there!
All the pietistic breaking down of religious walls, and all the sanctimonious religious reconciliation is in reality the machine that will usher in the one world church and its anti-christ. There doesn’t seem to be much preaching about that anymore these days… I wonder why? I know why!
There is but one rational response that man can make to the onslaught of such a devious system of religious entrapment:
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues. Revelation 18:4 (KJV)
It’s time for a wake-up call from the top down. It’s time to return to the Book, the Blood and the Blessed Hope!
It’s time to return to the one true Christocentric Church.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; … Revelation 2:7 (KJV)
It all comes back to this Believe in Jesus, Love God and Love others as you love yourself If you haven’t realised that then you’ve missed the point even if you can quote the Bible backwards. Jesus is the One who separates the sheep and the goats so leave it to Him.
You MUST be faithful to the Word of God to have a hope with Jesus Christ on the Judgement day!!!!
Apostasy is spiritual DEATH!!!!!!!
AS THE BIBLE TEACHES –
We MUST judge all things HOLD fast to that which is GOOD by BIBLE standards and REJECT ALL that is bad, false or contrary to the WORD OF GOD if we are to avoid the coming judgement of GOD upon the UNFAITHFUL.
GOD IS TESTING FAITHFULNESS TO HIS WORD NOT RELIGIOUS NOVELTY!!!!!!
Wayne, where do you get your posts from??? I know that I have read many of what you post , I just don’t exactly know where . It will help GREATLY if you post the place you get it from. We all want learn and none of us want to “borrow” anything from someone else that might not want it to be posted or at least not recognized. I know I did it w/ D. Wilkerson’s devotionals and thankfully someone corrected me. I learned and I am much more careful. So please help us all out and post the website or ministry or place , person that writes all these things.
Blessings,
Happy Trails quote:
“It wouldn’t matter what religion/denomination Glenn Beck belongs too…..The conclusion is still the same!
It is a FALSE revival/awakening/ or restoration.”
I agree completely.
And it’s a distraction to get many believers eye’s off of what the Holy Spirit of God is really doing and on to a man and the fleshly “work” of a man and a man’s political “movement”
And sadly, many believer’s are buying into it, thinking it will change the direction of the country.
Quasi political/spiritual/ christian “movements” don’t change human hearts. Only a true movement of the Holy Spirit of God changes human hearts and transforms them.
I agree with Jacqueline and 144Heidi
Amen- preach it sisters!
Nicole,
This is a blog site NOT a University I do NOT write to attain a Doctorate or an academic award of any kind.
I am writing to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints NOT to achieve any sort of personal recognition or fame.
I have NO intention of reinventing the wheel as many fine christian scholars have provided material for all to share.
Do NOT be frightened to admit that some people know more and have more experience than you yourself. Always be humble enough to identify and to learn from these people.
Only the arrogant and proud believe they know anything without HARD work and study and this is what the BIBLE admonishes us to do. I have DONE this work and have no intention of turning my comments into an academic paper.
Our personal wisdom is likely to be as foolish as anybodys.’
The sincere christian humbly submitted to the Word of God will acknowledge that and seek the TRUTH rather than arrogantly seek to impose ones personal “wisdom” upon others.
Genuine christian teachers want to share their teachings with everybody as they are more concerned about promulgating the TRUTH than they are about receiving academic awards or recognition of any kind.
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I was NOT born with the knowledge I have acquired from study and research of various disciplines and I seriously apply the scriptures to myself.
Therefore I am qualified to share the TRUTH.
FYI
My material comes directly from the BIBLE itself.
I have always been a keen BIBLE student and am therefore able to access Christian resources relating to Biblical christianity which conforms to the clear teachings of scripture..
Any good evangelical christian resource which has teaching consistent with the clear teaching of scripture can be beneficial.
We are responsible for Judging all teachings we encounter to ensure that it is consistent with the clear teaching of the Word of God.
May I suggest you engage in the same process that I have – namely serious bible study for personal benefit – a sincere love for the Word of God and an openness or willingness to read widely, critically analysing what you read to ensure that it is consistent with the whole counsel of the Word of God.
Then an enthusiasm for sharing the TRUTH of the Word of God will see you functioning in much the same way as I am.
If you ask for specific information about anything I have written I may be able to give you more specific information.
you know what Wayne, I don’t take offense to a word you have said. I look past all of it and continue on – my journey. I won’t lie and don’t lie to myself for I know many many others know more than I. It is the Lord and HIS HEART that leads me and I don’t need to “conflab or write derrogatory remarks to feel better or to be complimented. I write from the heart – hoping it is HIS HEART. I have been healed from our Lord Jesus Christ in so many areas of my life and it is all HIS TESTIMONY none of mine. I will continue doing what I have been doing. passing yours by and not allowing myself to succomb to other writers words that I don’t feel I am led to.
May the Lord be with you and may HIS WORD be on your lips.
Blessings,
Dear Traveler,
I do not have to worry about being excommunicated since I belong to a praise group who spend our Saturday evenings:Singing praises to Our Heavenly Father and listening to the word He wishes to send to us prophetically. HE is the one incharge….and oh , what communion we have with HIM! We only want to praise Him and be with Him ! He is so very beautiful we just want the opportunity to worship HIM and HIM alone. We have no organization!
I told you already that I did not believe in the tennets of the LDS church….I know all about them and have studied about them for years…and they are NOT found in o the Book of Mormon. But I truly appreciate your concern. God Bless You!
Someone wrote to me-
“I do not care that Beck is a Mormon.
I just agree with his politics.
We better put spiritual differences aside and band together to fight The Beast or we will get eaten alive.”
I find this to be one of the most deceived and disturbing statements that I have ever seen from a Christian.
-Andrew
Really? This is the most deceived and distrubing statements ever? Wow…where have you been? I know you are probably angry at America and what it has become, but God desires to be the God of nations, even in our fallen state. I long for His Kingdom, but the freedom in America has brought the opportunity to preach the gospel to the whole world. God is not willing that any should perish, but is long suffering desiring all to come to salvation. If we can battle against the darkness and fight for freedom to preach the gospel, it is worth it down to the last soul. Even those who do not listen to the Call, but at least feel people should have a right to preach the message, I will stand with those people until the final curtain falls.
Here’s who the Lord Jesus chose to be leaders:
Matthew 4:18-22
“And Jesus, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brothers, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. Then He said to them, “Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.” They immediately left their nets and followed Him. Going on from there, He saw two other brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets. He called them, and immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed Him.”
Jesus chose twelve ordinary, unschooled men and made them into ministers of His gospel who turned the world upside down. They didn’t need a doctorate, or a masters degree, they didn’t go to a seminary, or a bible college to get approved by men. They were approved by God, sent into the world by Jesus, and empowered by the Holy Spirit.
We can see by the scriptures just how much man has deviated from the ways of God. May we all endeavor to be those who leave everything behind and follow Jesus, who is the way, the truth, and the life. By doing so, we can also be used by God to turn the world upside down.
Amen Diana I’m with you. We should never give up on America or any nation. Now more than ever we have to resist the enemy and claim our nations for God. This is our Jericho battle. God bless Glen Beck. From what I know he wasn’t having a Mormon mission. I think we should have more confidence in other Christians. They’re not all going to turn Mormon. But God-fearing people ought to be able to stand together for some things.
“He who is not against us is on our side”Luke 9:50 That means that a great many people can stand together for godly principles.
Waynne I’m sorry brother but you sound like a proper Pharisee. I have studied the Word for over forty years and know its value and I say again it all comes back to Love.
“Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies
And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.’1 Cor 8:1-3
“And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.”
1 Cor :13:2
I’m very sorry if this offends you but you seem to be getting off into works not grace
The deeper we go into God the more we learn of His incredible love for all people and His wonderful grace.
It’s God’s love that will win the world. We all need to keep the Cross before us. Truth is a Person not a set of doctrines [though doctrine is important] The Sword of the Lord is to fight the enemy not people. We are supposed to be lions to the devil and lambs to people not the other way round.
“Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith.”
I’d add an “Amen” to Jacqueline and 144Heidi’s comments.
Jacqueline questions the disdain for “the left” in the original post. Rightly so, I think, since it seems a clear expression of the factionalism Galatians 5 warns us against.
She also rightly rebukes the self-congratulatory and false attitude that goes with any factionalism: that “the other side” is faithless, evil, and unpatriotic…exactly the opposite of everything WE are, of course.
Finally she points to the results of factionalism, which are listed with it as deeds of the flesh: “…enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions…”: and asks what those do to the Church’ witness. Right again.
To her questioning the “right” factionalism of most in the American Church, I’d add another. Where does scripture teach that the Church’ identity and worldview should be “conservative” ? Where does Jesus make common cause with the “conservatives” of His time ?
I offer that as a serious question for “conservative” brothers and sisters here, and I’d sincerely welcome serious answers.
In Jesus, Steve
Am still reading everyone’s comments. So many good helpful things here.
The topic of Glen Beck and a fear that christians will be swept into a religious/political cult is a possibility. I wouldn’t take any of that lightly. The name of Jesus offends many. A true shepherd will call people to repentance, and encourage them to be baptized, to be filled with the Holy Spirit. They know if they preach Jesus, they’ll possibly be persecuted, or despised.
We’re taught to discern, to look at the man/woman’s fruit, as we ourselves have to produce good fruit. Does this man/woman associate with others who are foul-mouthed radio personalities. Does he slander people, calling them “racist”? Does this man/woman speak falsely…..are they glory seekers…. Do they keep company with dissenters, mockers, immodestly-dressed worldly entertainment elements? Do they keep company with those who character-demean others… Do they use God, bible, and religious terms to exploit and gain support or ratings for their mogul bosses? Do they and their family’s pictures pepper the magazine racks among the tabloids everywhere, like golden idols?
These are valid questions. I don’t think anyone here is judging Glen Beck, but seeing a lot of idolatry and being cautious like the Bereans.
Nicole,
I would be very happy to help you if there is some specific piece of information that you would like me to pass on to you.
I have, however, already given an exhaustive presentation of what the Word of God actually teaches and make NO apology for that.
Your request for referencing and bibliography across the entire range of my discussion is superfluous to the issues being addressed on this blog.
I do however have a “truckload” of information I would be happy to refer you to if you would like to read about what is happening and how it aligns with the BIBLE totally and how wary we must be if we are to remain faithful to HIS Word until the very end.
Everybody is influenced by somebody and the TRUTH of the Word of God is provided to influence us towards thinking like HIM rather than being lead off into other directions which is what the teachers of false religions are doing.
The vain imaginations of the carnal mind cannot be compared to the Word of God made available to us in the BIBLE.
No genuine preacher of the Word of God preaches without having conscientiously studied the Word of God and determining in his own heart what it is saying.
The Word of God is NOT for private interpretation but is provided to inform us of HIS Will and purposes.
Hebrews 4:12
For the WORD of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
2 TIMOTHY 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
You cannot render the Word of God ineffective simply because it did not start and finish with you.
If everybody was to provide a reference and bibliography for everything that influenced their comments we would NEVER get to the TRUTH of the WORD itself we would spend all our time acknowledging the work of those faithful servants of God who have gone before us.
May I suggest you start by studying the work and lives of the reformers. Those heroes of the christian faith who paid the price of commitment to establishing and promulgating the unadulterated Word of God to the masses.
Tragically, people have been taught NOT to discern the truth from the false but to follow “anointed” ones without question and this has lead to the unholy shambles that has overtaken the church of the 21st century.
This is where the difficulty in identifying and dealing with false teachers and false prophets has come from and what is establishing the harlot ecumenical church of Revelations as the dominant religious force of these days.
Our trust must be in the WORD of GOD alone. ALL else is vanity.
As a Mormon, Glen Beck, with his unbiblical, antibiblical and extra biblical teachings, is just another false leader who must be rejected by the faithful as he is contributing to the establishment of this harlot church in the world.
FALSE RELIGION WILL ALWAYS BE FALSE RELIGION REGARDLESS OF FEELINGS!!!!!!!
2 TIMOTHY 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
thanks Wayne, I have read the past reformers and all that the Lord has led me to. I just don’t post everything I know. I also do not “presume” that others don’t know more or just as much. He is my teacher, and I can learn allot from others as HE directs. Have a blessed day . I have moved on not engaging in the Glenn Beck ordeal any longer as it is a detraction from the Lord. I do pray and hope like many others that Glenn Beck has a road to demascus (which I have always stated) experience and that he looses “self” and proclaimed mormonism and finds the truth in our Lord Jesus Christ. I try and keep it simple. It is much easier for one to understand. And as the Holy Spirit leads I follow. Like I said moving on. Blessings .
Wayne,
It is true and good to rightly divide the truth and judge teachings by checking them with the Word of God and allowing the Holy Spirit to lead into all wisdom.
It is harsh to judge the people who walk in deception because, face it, we were all in the dark at one time or another.
The testimony of the Tea Party and Honor Rally which have been attended by Christians of all backgrounds, is the love they have shared one for another. People who have gone that are not believers are touched by the one’s who are. God wants us to be living epistles of His Grace and Love for people, for He did not send Jesus into the world to condemn it, but to save it.
Too many have been too concerned about doctrinal differences. There is One Word, One Truth, and taking the Bible literally is the Only Way. But it has taken me a lifetime to learn that and I’m nearly 60. God removed me form the traditional church 10 years ago and that is when I got into the real meat of the Word. Mostly churches give you the milk. My point is, even those who go to “doctrinally sound” churches, if that is all they do, taking what the preachers say and just feeding off second hand manna, they are stunted in their growth.
I don’t agree with you on all that you say and I know you think you are right all the time. But there is always more we can learn. We can learn more, love more, pray more and be more like Him. You haven’t arrived and neither have I. I don’t agree with Andrew all the time because I feel he operates out of anger and fear sometimes, but I still learn a lot from him. We all need grace for each other and realize we are all still growing.
And those words by Diana are the words born out of the wisdom of age.
Well said
Nicole,
Ignorance of the truth is taking most people to hell as it did in the days of Noah.
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Very many people are involved in churches promulgating occultic practices and doctrines of demons. I have provised more than enough evidence of this in support of the material provided by Andrew Strom himseIf you are at all concerned for the spiritual welfare of these people you would try ALL that you possibly could to warn them of what they are involved in.
Diana,
Wisdom of the Age maybe but certainly NOT spiritual wisdom.
We are certainly NOT to grow into the unbiblical anti biblical super biblical error and occultic filth which has permeated much of what might be referred to as the “christian” church.
As stated repeatedly the only basis we have for confidence is that we are faithfully following HIS Word with ALL our heart, soul and mind. Tthe source of my information – namely the BIBLE ONLY and Bible teachers who have faith in the Bible as well are the only reason I have to confidently contend for the faith ONCE delivered to the Apostles appointed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF to establish the authentic christian faith.
This simple faith however is being perverted by the gurus who tell us that ecumenical unity is more important than TRUTH, These people are the wolves that have crept into the church and caused it to be over run by the harlot church.
Genuine christian FAITH CANNOT BE and MUST NOT BE allowed to become a religion based on whatever takes our fancy at the time – that is the basis for political correctness and humanistic ideology NOT the basis of eternal salvation.
God has sent delusion to those who do NOT love the TRUTH NOT to those who are genuinely seeking it. The genuine seekers have been more than adequately warned of this delusion and are well aware of what is going on.
We do not accept doctrines of demons and choose to follow false teachers unless our ears are tickled by what they are teaching.
This is what the Bible teaches and for that reason those who have chosen to follow false teachers and accept the delusion of the age will have NO excuse whatsoever on the judgement day.
What basis do you have for believing that you are following the TRUTH unless it is wholesale commitment to the teaching of the Word of God rather than the vain imaginations of men.
On my blog I posed comment and question regarding the Beck rally. First, it should not have taken Glenn Beck to have a rally in which people are called to return to the Lord. The question then remains: Where is the church? Why aren’t church leaders, Christian leaders, doing this? Is it because the government forbids it under “separation of church and state”? (Which I still haven’t found in our constitution as such. Maybe I’m just overlooking it or missing it).
Until the Body, the Church, is willing and able to stand up and have such a rally – or fill a stadium as Billy Graham used to do by simply preaching repentance – we will see the Lord using “wordly” leaders to do so. This is akin to Jesus telling the priestly head honchos that if the people were not praising Him, the stones themselve would begin to.
We need to learn how and where and when – with the guidance and wisdom of the Lord – to make Him known!
Now, to get the newsmedia at such events without them totally demeaning the message….
Thanks for correcting me inlove brother Wayne ,God bless u.
We have had perhaps more time than most as a family to listen to Glenn Becks progarms…and we were at the Restoring Honor Rally…and there was nothing there for people to be alarmed about. Glenn was not pushing his particular denomination…there were no denomination cards taken at the door.
Glenn was calling Americans back to Honor, Integrity, Faith and Prayer. He decided we did not need another political shouting match…we needed a call to “turn back”.
Further…I truely believe the Lord is going to break down this denomination criticalness in His coming revival!
Certainly another sect of Christianity may hold to some doctrines you don’t…but are you sure yours are all correct? We are not
saved by doctrine…it can be either harmlessly silly, or terrrible harmful…but we are saved by faith and obedience to what we know
of God’s will for us…which is an outspringing of that faith.
I for one would vote for Mitt Romeny for President…and I hope if He runs…other christians will respect him as they should.
Here is the secret…YOU DO NOT have perfect doctrine either. BUT
I trust you have pefect faith in Christ. I know Glenn does.
I want to add…I believe I have the mind of the Lord on this. If I don’t…the Lord himself then will lovingly show me. But there is a certain selfrighteouness in the body…which does not please the Lord
as many as some think it does.
I am not saying we should not search the Word of God…I am saying for example…the theif on the cross…not baptised…
was he in doctrinal error? No…He was saved BY FAITH IN CHRIST.
love, michele
@Michele Hay: Perfectly written. “Faith in Christ”…….
Thank you for your comments. I am in agreement with everything you wrote.
One more thought:
The Lord does not mind one bit if you go to a RESTORING HONOR RAlLLY…we are Amercans too!
If you get hateful…then
you are off course. People there we so polite the Park Police could not believe it…I saw them walking and smiling and wondering!
There were well over a million people there I believe. So tightly
packed togther on a very warm day…and so polite to one another!
If we don’t speak now as Americans…we will have to forever
hold our peace.
Also…over five million dollars was donated by people there and watching
during the Rally by texting…all for the children of fallen Special Forces heros.
God uses a lot of people who love Him.
The diciples said…”We rebuked those other guys!” And Jesus said..
“You should not do that…I have some that you know not of.” In other words it was not their
place to be rebuking other christians.
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With the revelations of this past week with churches speaking the Koran from the pulpit to the Pope speaking out defending the Koran and coupled with Glenn Beck being a Morman and some of the stuff I have heard on his show just recently. It has all the earmarks of a master plan of deception. No, i’m not going off the deep end — i’m red, white, and blue all the way through. But, there’s only one place for me to rest, and that’s in the truth of Jesus Christ. Gonna keep my eyes open, seerve my Lord, my country, get my life in order, cry out where i can’t get it in order, and hang on! somethings coming down the pike!!!
Amen Bro John Grove, I feel it too. Deception is getting bigger and bigger. The bigger it gets the more people that run to it.
God, open our Spiritual eyes before it is to late.
God Bless all
Wayne,
How can you imply that just because people don’t agree with your perspective, they are deluded. That is simply not true. You cannot judge the hearts of men, only God can do that. You do not have God’s perspective fully. We see in part…so says the Word.
I study the Word several hours a day. I pray. I seek His face. I ask Him to show me ANY deception in my life.
I see a lot of paranoia in some of the things written here like people are just realizing there is deception and great evil at work. I think that happens when people are waking up to the truth…however, love conquers all. Love of truth, love of God, love of people. We can walk in the light with people who are not yet fully awake. But what I sense in some of these posts is not love and awareness but fear of the unknown. A bunker mentality. Any hyper critical thinking toward anyone not in their mindset. That is not the position the Apostles took. They engaged the people that were in deception. They reached out motivated by their love for the Lord and for truth. They had the heart of God.
We are warned not to be deceived, but the Lord equally said, “When you see these things come to pass, look up for your redemption draweth night.” “Fear not, for I have overcome the world.” So when we see these things come to pass, are we to be found walking in fear of those who don’t have the Truth, or are we to be found trying to reach every last soul for Christ?
People need to follow truth, not people, including some of the people on this blog. Know the Word for yourself and you will not be deceived. We are to love people not be self-righteous Pharisees throwing stones at every person who happens to be in deception. How are they going to know to get out of deception unless they hear the Word from someone who loves them enough to tell them…in love…not judgement.
I am not afraid to talk to people in deception. I’m not afraid it’s going to “get on me” because I know the Truth. If you take issue with what I say by saying I myself am deceived, you might start looking in the mirror.
I prayerfully have been reading these comments and they go back and forth. Can be confusing but as i was reading my devotional this morning. Austin Sparks seems to always confirm. Hope you don’t mind if i post it here. I rightfully also included the disclaimer, etc. Thank you.
“Are your hearts tender and compassionate? Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one mind and purpose. (Philippians 2:2).
Error, false teaching, and heresy have always been a major means by which the Devil has sought to destroy “the testimony of Jesus”, but when he brought in the weapon of what is known as ‘Modernism’, or ‘Higher Criticism’, he used a double-barreled gun. One barrel he aimed directly at the great fundamental truths of the Person of Christ, the work of Christ, and the authority of the Bible. He has thus wrought great havoc, but one wonders whether even that is comparable to the mischief of his second and closely related barrel. By it he has poured out volumes and clouds of suspicion, fear, mistrust, apprehension, and all the grievous effects of these among true Christians. There is not a single person today who is quite safe in this ‘Christian’ world and atmosphere. Some of the most outstanding and erstwhile evangelical stalwarts have at length fallen under its awful miasma, and died of a broken heart because of it – and all so untrue! The enemy stops short at no point short of dividing the last two Christians, and if he cannot find true ground for doing it by spreading suspicion and mistrust – “evil report” – he will make it by giving a twist to anything that is capable of being twisted…
We beg to appeal to all those to whose eyes this message may come, that they will ask the Lord, if need be, to completely convert their mentality in this matter. Would it not be more according to the Spirit of the Master, who said “Let him that is without sin cast the first stone”, and “He that is not against us is for us”, if, as our instant reaction to every ‘report’, ‘rumor’, criticism, judgment, insinuation, innuendo, or whisper, we instantly asked the question, Is it true? Did the speaker – or writer – really mean that? Is there not another meaning to be given to it? Is it not – perhaps – an unfortunate way of putting it, but not necessarily pernicious? Should we not, before accepting it, find out whether our interpretation is the right one, or whether we may be mistaken? The enemy is engaged more than ever upon a campaign of sabotage within the Church for its internal disintegration, and it is for us to resist him by seeking all the positive ground of fellowship possible, not looking for all the negative ground, either really or imaginatively existent.
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I seem to remember Jesus making salvation clear for us in John 3:16. What I DON’T remember is hearing him say, “Whosoever believes in him – but doesn’t believe a word Joseph Smith says – shall not perish but have everlasting life.” Mormons do indeed believe salvation come through Jesus. They also believe some very odd things I don’t agree with. Their salvation, however, is quite secure in Jesus… in fact, His name is the primary feature of the name they’ve given their church.
Glenn Beck did a good thing, mormon or not.
Brother Donny:
The relevant question would be if the “Jesus” of Mormonism is the Jesus of Christianity. You mention you’re aware Mormons believe “some very odd things I don’t agree with:” are any of those their teachings about Who Jesus is ? If not, that would be a worthwhile study for evaluating Mormonism.
If a religion teaches a “Jesus” contrary to the Jesus of Christian scripture and Christian belief, and believe their salvation comes through that “Jesus,” would their salvation be secure ?
Pointed, though not hostile, questions. Would look forward to hearing your thoughts.
In Jesus, Steve
Donny,
So it’s ok to lie and when one lies it can still be called a ‘good thing’?
Beck lies all the time- but at the rally he said he ‘handled/touched’ the constitution. He then later admitted he’d lied over that- it’s impossible to touch it- it’s in glass and only accredited museum people are allowed to even touch that- because he thought it was EASIER TO EXPLAIN it that way? How in the world does someone who lies at the drop of a hat qualify to be doing any leading of the body of Jesus Christ who is TRUTH?????
There is actually a site that lists his lies but you can also just Google Beck’s lies and see reams of them…
Why would followers of The Way, the TRUTH and the LIFE, adore, extol and follow a proven liar?
Well put Steve and Maribeth.
How long can believers turn on each other and still make any diffrence in this world? It is amazing how a simple God and country rally can turn into a religious debate.
Perfect love casts out fear.
Do your research Sharon.
This was NEVER a God and Country rally- that’s what Beck sold it as but if you believe that, you are part of the great delusion of the believers in America.
Why are you defending a liar?
Anybody else wondering about how freemasonry ties in with all this? Glenn Beck talking about praying that God will raise their children to be George Washingtons and Abe Lincolns (G.W. was a freemason?), Boy Scouts singing the national anthem at the rally (Boy Scouting movement also from freemasonry). Mormonism’s ties with Freemasonry in the upper echelons. Also interesting what was said about the lying – I have a friend who used to belong to the Mormon’s who also has a problem with lying, it’s a lying spirit – many politicians past and present are Freemasons and it’s pretty much taken for granted now that many or most most politicians lie…
The problem with religiosity is that it produces the situations that are found in the passage below.
[quote]
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [/quote]
The Pharisees could recite all the laws and apply them as a rod to force their ways but they never fully grasped the meaning of the spirit of the law.
When Jesus healed on the Sabbath he did if fact break the law and the Pharisee was correct in his interpretation of the law, but he missed out on the spirit of the law which was that the Sabbath was to be devoted to God on that day. To heal the woman in the context of the day and place was to give glory to God and lift up his power and name in the eyes of the gathered people.
But the Pharisee that ran the place used the law to undo all the good work that was done and turned what should have been an opportunity to give praise and thanks to God into a situation where the workers of the kingdom, in this case Jesus himself, were vilified and condemned as law breakers and guilty as sinners.
As a general rule of thumb I have found that those who keep talking about the whole council of God are normally the very ones that reject the greater portion of it and those that dissect scripture so as to form the letter of the law will not include those scriptures that contradict their personal interpretation of the law they wish to enforce.
They will only use selected portions of the scriptures as a stick to beat their fellow servants into submission to their own will and the upliftment of their own reputations at the expense of others. That is an evil and those that practice it with the thousands of grandiose words that form nothing more than a smoke screen, will be called to account for their actions at the return of the Lord.
traveller – that passage of scripture is talking about false shepherds, those who were put “in charge” of those who they don’t realize or consider to be their fellow servants, but consider and treat them as inferior. Followers of the Lord need to be able to identify what is false in order to obey His admonition to “come out of her” (come out of the false Babylon church). Disagreeing or critiquing what others are doing is not “beating” them – beating in the context of this scripture is referring to abuse – power and control, use of domination and force of someone in authority over subordinates.
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Mat 24:45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?
Thanks for the truth, Maribeth and watchful……
Amen Traveler. I agree. The Scriptures say that the god of this age has blinded the eyes of the people of the world. Jesus had compassion on people’s blindness both physical and spiritual. He prayed “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” We are all at various stages of coming out of blindness and we need to have compassion on others still finding their way. We certainly must uphold the truths of the Bible but we should leave the judging to Jesus who alone is qualified
1 John 4
Test the Spirits
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test (JUDGE) the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Cor 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual JUDGES all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
I ask this because it amazes me the assumptions that some make about the Bible and Christianity regarding sin , and judgment, what is right and wrong, what is sin and what is not.
The Bible goes on to say:
Test the spirits…
There is wisdom in the multitude of counsel (judgement, discerment)
and on and on the Bible is full with the fact the we must observe a man’s “fruit” and by it we may know him we must judge wether the fruit is good or evil based on what Jesus Christ said– that very act is to judge.
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Revelation 22:18-19
The previous verses quoted were from old testament books. The final book of the Bible was the book of Revelation. It is physically the last book in the Bible, but it was also the last book written in the Bible (90 AD). Revelation begins with these verses:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand. Revelation 1:1-3
Revelation ends with these verses:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
POINT #1. The first thing to note about the book of Revelation is that the revelations in it came directly from Jesus to John. So it has the highest possible authority.
efore jumping to the conclusion that the prophecies in Revelation are not for today, you must approach your interpretation of this verse using sound Bible interpretation principals. One of those principals is that you must look at everything the Bible has to say about a particular issue before you can accurately judge the meaning of many verses. In this case, one must consider what God tells us about His perspective on time itself. Remember, he created time. He can operate within or outside its boundaries. Here’s a pretty good clue from God about His view of time:
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8
So from God’s perspective, “shortly” could easily mean a few thousand years and He tells us not to be ignorant of that fact. It is also important to pay attention to the fact that many Biblical prophecies about the “last days” are coming true today, thousands of years after they were predicted. An interesting video about end-time prophecies is available on-line. It may be viewed in its entirety at this link:
http://creationists.org/countdown_to_eternity/english.html
Among those prophecies is the fact that “angels” (demons) would lead many away from the truth about the Bible’s message of salvation through faith in Jesus through false “doctrines”. In other words, extra-Biblical false revelations would come directly from spirits claiming to be from Heaven.
Galatians 1:6-12
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
John Calvin’s commentary on Galations 6-9:
http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol41/htm/iii.iii.ii.htm
In these verses we see a) that the Gospels of the Bible are revelations by Jesus Himself and b) that God warns us about a different gospel message from an angel from heaven.
There are no verses anywhere in the Bible that state there will be additional written revelations after the book of Revelation. Since Revelation deals with events clear up to the very last days, no additional revelations are needed. On the flip side, as we saw above, there are explicit warnings not to add or subtract anything to the last book of the Bible, Revelation. Additionally, several old and new testament books in the Bible do predict additional false revelations from Satan, demons and human false prophets including in the last days.
The purpose of these additional extra-Biblical revelations are to mislead people away from the central truths of the Bible’s Gospel message of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ (as the Bible defines it). In addition to the Galatians verse above, these other Bible verses are examples of warnings about false doctrines that originate from extra-Biblical revelations and false prophets:
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24
For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Peter 2:1
It is interesting that one of the most common reasons for trying to deny the authority of the Bible is actually one of the strongest reasons for proving it’s divine inspiration and authenticity. How many times have you heard that the Bible can’t be trusted because it was written by mere men? It’s a common straw man argument that many atheists, agnostics and cults use to try to deny it’s authority and accuracy. But when considering the following facts, it’s God-inspired human authorship is actually a strength, not a weakness:
Collectively it was written over about a 1,500 year period. It had about 40 different authors. Yet in spite of that, the old testament books are in complete harmony with the new testament books. This is quite remarkable when you consider how difficult it would have been for 40+ men to have perpetrated a hoax as complex and wide-spread as the Bible over a 1,500 year period, and the fact that many of the Bible’s authors died a martyr’s death because of their absolute belief in it’s authenticity.
Numerous scientific facts that modern science didn’t discover until many centuries later appear in the Bible. Given the fact that jets, submarines and other modern technology were in rather short supply during Biblical times, how were mere human authors able to know these things with virtual 100% accuracy? For some examples of this scientific foreknowledge, see:
http://Creationists.org/foreknowledge.html
The Old Testament contains about 300 prophecies about the Messiah, Jesus. Just eight of these prophecies were examined in the book Messages from Heaven (See pages 58-61 of the book). The entire book can be read on-line at:
http://www.eternal-productions.org/messages_video.htmlMFH.pdf
They calculated the statistical odds that just these eight prophecies would come true and it turned out to be one in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. That staggering number is even more amazing when you consider that there were about 290 more prophecies that also came true that they didn’t factor into the equation! It simply would have been impossible for mere men to have prophesied these things or even conspired with others many centuries after they had died to somehow “make” these things happen the way they did. The authors who wrote these prophecies were clearly inspired by God to write what they did. We can be certain that demons did not feed them this information because one test of whether prophecies are from God or from demons is the 100% accuracy test (Deuteronomy 18:22). Satan can get it right sometimes, but not always.
The Bible authors had a perfect record.
There are many prophecies about the last days. It certainly appears that a good number of them are coming true in this generation. The prophecies about Israel are especially stunning. For more information about these prophecies, see the video Countdown to Eternity at this link:
http://creationists.org/countdown_to_eternity/english.html
Testing the spirits – the Insurmountable Hurdle
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1
Even if you could convince yourself after reading the above verses that God still might allow for additional revelations like what are in the Koran, Urantia Book and Book of Mormon, and the special revelations of self appointed “anointed” ones masquerading as christian pastors there is still one insurmountable hurdle that none of these books can overcome. They will all fail the “test the spirits” Bible tests miserably.
God clearly established the Bible as the one and only baseline to measure all other doctrines against to see if they are inspired by the spirit of God, or the spirit of demons. Here’s two good links that explain how to test the spirits in more detail:
testthespirits.html
http://Creationists.org/cults.html#12
When applying these Biblical tests to the Urantia book, book of Mormon, the Koran and other alleged holy books and “anointed” teachings, they are quickly exposed for the demonic masterpieces they truly are.
The quickest way to expose any alleged holy book or revelation as heresy is to compare what it says about the person and work of Jesus against what Jesus reveals about Himself in the Bible. In spite of the claims of the Urantia book, book of Mormon and others that they are in harmony with the Bible on these important points, they are polar opposites. For a good overview of what the Bible has to say about who Jesus is, and why his death and resurrection were so important to us, see tape #5 at this link:
http://Creationists.org/cults.html#5
Arm yourself with this important Biblical knowledge first, and the false doctrines of demons will be far easier to spot. Those who are not armed with this important Biblical knowledge are unfortunately sitting ducks for all kinds of seductive demon trickery. For more information about this, see People who Are Vulnerable to Cults.
Kritikos – To Discern
For the Word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge [kritikos] the thoughts and intentions of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
Cells called erythrocytes are stored in the red marrow of big bones, like the femur and the tibia. On the outside there is the bone and on the inside there is the marrow. But in between there is an area where, even with a microscope, it is very difficult to tellwhere the bone ends and where the marrow begins.
The Bible says that the relationship between soul and spirit is like that. Take prophecy: Was that from someone’s imagination, or was it God’s Spirit speaking through their spirit? It is very difficult to tell the difference.
Man is a three-dimensional being. You can separate a body from a soul; but you cannot easily tell where the soul ends and the spirit begins.
When people say, “The Lord showed me this” and “God told me that,” it is difficult to know if it is someone’s imagination or God’s Spirit speaking to their spirit. The mind is a good servant, but a dangerous master. Many people, overtly demonic, prophesy from the futility of their own mind.
We are called to kritikos — to discern between the soulish and the spiritual.
The Word of God enables us to separate the bone from the marrow, the spiritual from the purely soulish.
Judge not? What does the Bible say?
We never judge from our opinions.
We are commanded to anakrino — we always seek to discern:
“Is this of God, or is it of the flesh,or of the devil?”
We are commanded to diakrino — to render a decision as to whether something is morally right or wrong.
We do not krisis — the Lord alone decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.
We are sometimes appointed to krites — but we are to remember that the Lord is the Judge of all, and we are to judge righteously.
We never, ever, hupo-krites — before we take a speck out of our brother’s eye, we make sure we do not have the same speck in our own eye.
We ALWAYS kritikos — we draw on the Word of God to discern between the things of the soul and the things of the spirit.
“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling
away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition…” (2 Th 2:3 NKJV)
In 1948 a movement was born that has become the foundation of the great apostasy that the Apostle
Paul warned us would come prior to the return of our Lord. Known as the New Order of the Latter Rain or
just the Latter Rain Movement its influence has steadily grown within the Pentecostal and Charismatic
Churches since 1948. Today, through the influence of various “revivals” its leaven is spreading even further
into the Evangelical world.
Apostasy or “falling away” is rebellion by God’s people against His Word.
1 Samuel 15:23 (KJV) Says “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.
Consider this for a moment that God relates rebellion as the same or equal to witchcraft. The past few weeks we have been focusing a lot on unity and the spirit of Division and how it relates to the body of Christ. Now let us now take a look at the spirit of rebellion and how it to has been a factor in the division of the body of Christ.
I don’t believe many of us have considered witchcraft being a part of our churches, homes, schools, and other functions but as we read the Word ,we find if rebellion is found, then so is witchcraft. Or at least God considers it the same. So let us look into this spirit of rebellion and ask ourselves if maybe it might be found. Odds are- we will indeed find it, whether it be within us or a family member or even a church member, maybe even someone in high office. Note that as I write of rebellion, I write of rebellion towards truth and God’s direct will. Rebellion at times comes from ignorance of God’s word, meaning we don’t truly understand what we do, or even how it will affect our surroundings. God’s word says this is no excuse though, for if we read in 2 Timothy2:15 – Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Ignorance of truth is no excuse amen, God tells us to study his word.
Read more: http://relijournal.com/christianity/rebellion-equals-witchcraft-in-gods-eyes/#ixzz0zCSE3OdI
The TRUTH of the Word of God is NOT subject to personal opinion or debate it is OBJECTIVE REALITY – FOLLOW IT – OR GO TO HELL
Only faithfulness to the Word of God will save us from delusion
Compromise or apostasy is spiritual death according to the clear teaching of the Word of God.
SIMPLY STATED
Apostasy or “falling away” is rebellion by God’s people against His Word.
1 Samuel 15:23 (KJV) Says “Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.”
The message could not be any more straightforward:
SUBMIT TO HIS WORD OR GO TO HELL
In Matthew 7:22 we read of God’s word towards these people –
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Rebellion is anything that is against God’s will or against his standard. If there is any part of our lives, whether it is in our homes, or our churches that does not line up with God, let us seek today to remove it.
Simply put “if the Word of God says it- then do it”. “If Jesus spoke it- live it”. If the Word says no, then our answer is no- not maybe.
We can not live by a part of the Word, but must live by the whole Word. Meaning we must accept it all as truth, and apply it to our lives or we live in rebellion to that truth. Let us make the choice of truth, and live it today.
Read more: http://relijournal.com/christianity/rebellion-equals-witchcraft-in-gods-eyes/#ixzz0zCTU0CQE
Val Pym, Yes, I agree, compassion, mercy and forgiveness, and not condemnation, but how can they receive of those things if they never become aware that they need it? And how can anyone show them compassion and mercy without first identifying why they need it? Those who might be a bit futher ahead are always blazing a trail and shining a light for those hopefully coming up behind..
It is not lack of love to disagree with someone – loving family members have their disagreements but it in no way has to diminish their love for one another. Love and disagreeing are two separate issues, one does not cancel out the other. To disagree is not the same thing as condemnation. But it would be very unloving not to sound the alarm if we see our brothers and sisters falling into a ditch, or to not try and help them out of it.
By the way I would encourage a word study on the word “rebuke” in scripture – there is plenty of room for honest rebuke within love, as long as it’s not done out of condemnation, superiority or pride, or malice, but just out of the simple honesty of one’s heart and what the situation calls for:
Lev 19:17 ” ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction.
Tts 1:13 This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith
Tts 2:15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
We are not to be conformed to the world and our particular culture which discourages open rebuke, but are to be transformed by the word. Our culture is very sick remember – we should not conform to it’s false humanistic ways of thinking that have crept in quite strategically in order to stifle the truth, but seek to be changed.
I never would have thought I’d see the day when Americans would be like this – I always used to consider you people to be open and encouraging of lively debate and freedom of expression and wrangling over issues. It was one of the things I used to love about Americans, the openness and freedom to be oneself without conditions – what happened? I feel like saying, you were running a good race, WHO has bewitched you?
Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
This is the problem with the church in America – you’ve become part of the problem, you’re just like your politicians, just like the world. Too pansified (yes as in pansy) to just suck it up when someone calls a spade a spade without whining about it. Don’t you know your nation is following YOU as you become conformed to the world? Isn’t that what the Dems are like in how they approach issues – so delicate and sensitive, so as to not hurt anybody’s feelings, but always excercising a double standard. Who’s wearing the pants in America, is anybody? I’d really like to know…I thought the church was supposed to. It’s ok for the Tea Party and Beck’s Rally to protest and criticize a bunch of things, but it’s not ok for the Christians here to criticize and protest in return – that’s the double standard and you are just like the people you protest about. BE NOT CONFORMED TO THE WORLD, it’s clouding your judgment.
…my last post was meant as a post-script to my previous one, not in reply to Wayne..
If the warning about false prophets is to be given then there is no reason to not also continue the quote where it tells how to test the spirits.
The test works well but for some reason so many do not believe the scripture when they read it. So they refuse to apply it.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
Awesome teaching, Wayne.
2Ti 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
2Cr 10:3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.
2Cr 10:4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.
2Cr 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Is God asleep, has He somehow stopped ruling and reigning on this earth? Are we more than conquerors or not? So then, why so much fear and carnal response to evil? America is not the kingdom of God, the kingdom of God is within us the bible says – so that is where our focus should be. If the Christians of America were busy building God’s kingdom instead of America’s then other things would fall into place. Seek FIRST the kingdom of God (within us), then all these things will be added..it’s because you have stopped seeking God’s kingdom and are concerned about your own, and fearful of preserving your comfortable righteous way of life, that the church has lost it’s spiritual authority. If you seek to save your life you will lose it, but if you lose your life for my sake you will find it, Jesus said.. isn’t it about time we began to believe Him again?
Matthew 24:22
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:
19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now–and never to be equaled again.
20:if the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
In the “last days” people will not want to hear sound doctrine.
2 Tim. 3
A strong delusion will accompany the end-times. 2 Thess. 2:11
Michele Hay says the following:
“Further…I truely believe the Lord is going to break down this denomination criticalness in His coming revival!
Certainly another sect of Christianity may hold to some doctrines you don’t…but are you sure yours are all correct? We are not
saved by doctrine…it can be either harmlessly silly, or terrrible harmful…but we are saved by faith and obedience to what we know
of God’s will for us…which is an outspringing of that faith.
I for one would vote for Mitt Romeny for President…and I hope if He runs…other christians will respect him as they should.
Here is the secret…YOU DO NOT have perfect doctrine either. BUT
I trust you have pefect faith in Christ. I know Glenn does.”
Happy Trails comment on the above:
FIRST of all, denominations exist only as evidence that the sins of mankind bring DIVISION/SEPARATION.
The walking in the fullness of the Holy Spirit brings God’s TRUTH ALONE and UNITY BETWEEN THE BRETHREN IN THE “ESSENTIAL” DOCTRINES AT THE VERY LEAST!
THE VERY MOST IMPORTANT ESSENTIAL DOCTRINE, I am sure you must agree, IS THAT WE WORSHIP, BELIEVE, TRUST, AND FOLLOW THE ONE TRUE GOD. The One True God of the bible is ETERNAL and not created, without beginning and without ending…..Alpha and Omega.
THIS IS NOT THE GOD OF MORMONISM!
Mormonism teaches their god was a man who became god. Their god has literally billions of “spirit” children with his wives in heaven, who need bodies so that they may be born on earth.
There is so much more about their god…..check it out for yourself.
Glenn Beck “SAYS” he is a seeker of the truth, yet, he has not dug through his own church’s “history” and checked it out as deeply as he has with the country’s history. The Mormons have been lied to from the beginning. Only the heirarchy are knowledgeable about the CONSPIRACIES. MONEY AND POWER ARE THE ROOT….JUST LIKE WHAT GLENN BECK IS STATING AND EXPOSING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT.
When Glenn Beck does the same exposing of the lies behind the Mormon church; and proclaim THE TRUE GOD OF gods and not the Mormon god and gods, then he will be doing the works of faith.
No, Michele, we are NOT saved by doctrine. We are saved by the TRUE GOD, THROUGH THE TRUE JESUS, OUR SAVIOR, AND SEALED BY THE TRUE HOLY SPIRIT FOR ETERNITY.
1Cr 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
VERY DANGEROUS STATEMENT MICHELE:
“We are saved by faith and obedience to what we know”
No, No, No…BEWARE. What you know may be a LIE.
Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,…..
PS Michele….It is imperative that you ask people to define the words they are using. Satan is the GREAT COUNTERFEITER!
Just because I tell you I am a christian and say I believe in God DOES NOT MAKE ME ONE.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Amen, we are saved by the truth – it’s the truth that sets us free. And that’s what sound doctrine is – the truth – but instead of getting our doctrine right from the bible and the Holy Spirit, we have passively let our pastors/teachers tell us what to believe – America is seeing the scriptures through the eyes of their pastors/teachers – who are mostly wrong!..BECAUSE they have not taken up their cross to follow Jesus, they are trying to follow Him without a cross, which is an oxymoron because taking up our cross is what it means to follow Jesus – without the crucifixion of the flesh that veil of flesh is always before their eyes whenever the scriptures are read. TAKE UP YOUR CROSS CHRISTIANS OF AMERICA! If you really want to save your life, then you must first lose it. The fact is that without that cross, the Christian faith has defaulted into mere powerless religion and the light within you is actually darkness. Cross-less Christianity is anti-christ and is called in scripture the harlot church, Babylon, who is running after many lovers, and which we are called to come out of, not remain a part of.
MAN UP you Christians of America, and set your face like flint, you’ve become too soft and comfortable and ‘sensitive’, this is how wealth has deceived you – you need the Christian soldiers boot camp all over again and some real combat experience (spiritually speaking). And the first and usually longest battle we are to fight, through that cross, is our own flesh/fallen carnal nature – that is what the good fight of faith is all about, not politics – look first to the kingdom of God within you because we have already been told it does not come with our careful observation without. Your teachers don’t know that, but now you do.
AMEN watchful! A Hearty AMEN!
The question is less about judging others (or as someone suggested, abusing fellow-servants) than it is about discerning what IS God’s word and teaching, and what’s not. Many of the scriptures brought forth here seem exactly on point; and bless those who recalled them to us.
For sorting out what is and isn’t God’s teaching, Wayne offered what I’d consider a key scripture: Revelation 22:18, cursing those who add to or take from the words of “this book.”
The Koran and Book of Mormon would definitely fall under that curse. They add to scripture simply by claiming to be additional truth, centuries after the end of the Christian canon. More importantly, they teach a different Jesus and a different gospel than we’ve received. If we don’t emphatically reject THOSE, we need to check our discernment.
I don’t think any of us is advocating that Mormons or Moslems be abused because of that. Those deceived by false teachings are victims. As watchful referenced, Jesus’ command is that we be compassionate, merciful, and forgiving to them.
I take that as our mandate even toward those who suffer because of their own bad choices. But watchful’s right too that we need to rebuke. We can certainly rebuke bad choices. The choice between what’s good/true and what’s bad/false is the essential moral question, what scripture terms distinguishing right from wrong. We have a clear mandate to speak against wrong and untruth.
We ourselves are commanded to discern and reject the filthy spew of the father of lies. We’re commanded to separate ourselves from those who follow them: followers of lies about Christ are no part of the Body of Christ. Unless we look at false teachings and their followers the way God sees them, we can’t obey those commands.
Nor is any other view merciful to the deceived. We can’t meaningfully forgive them if we aren’t clear they’ve done anything wrong. We can’t meaningfully minister Christ’s mercy to the prisoners of lies unless we’re honest about what enslaves them.
In Jesus, Steve
Jan, I respect you and your thoughts and ideas very much. I have been reading Olive Tree articles for years, so I’m not coming down on you or your Faith. I just think that there’s been a terrible over-reaction to the fact that Glen Beck is a Mormon. Yes, he is a Morman. But he is NOT our leader. He is simply a person with like ideas and love of country that has the vehicle with Fox News to inform and unite. that’s all. I know of nothing he has ever said that has been an attempt to proselytize anyone or try and convince them to become a Morman. He simply loves his country and is, in my opinion, simply an ORGANIZER, not a leader. We only have ONE leader and that is the Lord Jesus Christ, from whom we all draw our faith, courage and strength.
Keeping Mormon beliefs in mind, it would be safe to say that Glen Beck and the Mormons who back him, believe that he may be helping to usher in the beginning of something prophetic (according to their beliefs). Mormons believe that they will rise at the end times and take over the US government, restoring the US constitution to make way for the return of Jesus Christ. I may not have that exactly correct, but they do believe that Mormons will be in control when Jesus comes back. I’m sure they have been really pumped up over Glen beck and Mitt Romney. I believe Christians should be very careful in following him and looking to him as a voice for Christians. I believe his motives and goals (based on Mormon beliefs) are way different than Christian motives.
Nobody ever became popular by telling the truth. History has recorded what people (especially religious people) did to the {TRUE) prophets of the past. Everything that could possibly point to Jesus’s imminent return for His Bride is now pointing. Today’s so called Christianity is apostate and idolatrous.
2 TIMOTHY 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Paul spoke prophetically about that “time” which should be apparent to all has come. They “will not endure sound doctrine.” They will NOT put up with those who teach correctly. Why? Because they have a need to scratch their ears with something new (like the Greek philosophers on Mars Hill). They intentionally turn from hearing the truth and appoint teachers that will speak (scratch) to what their itch (desire) dictates.
Paul wrote to Titus, a Greek convert who he appointed to set elders in the churches established in Crete.
“Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict” (Titus 1:9).
He likewise mentions in Philippians 2:15-16: “that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.”
The Greek word for holding fast is epecho, it means to hold upon, i.e. to retain; to pay attention to. In Titus 1:9 when Paul mentions “holding fast the faithful word” the Greek word is antechomai – it is more active and intense, it means to hold oneself opposite to, or against, hold back, withstand, to keep oneself directly opposite to anyone, hold to him firmly, cleave to, paying heed to him (the Lord by His word).
Holding fast the word is someone who is Bible based, sound in his understanding of what the Scripture says and does not say. He understands what God has said as God’s word is living and active today just as it was when it was spoken or written.
“As he has been taught” the Greek means “According to the teaching.” Meaning they received the truth for some time and are trained up in it. There are some people that know the truth, but need encouragement to continue in it, others are ignorant and unintentionally oppose it. Then there are some who intentionally align themselves AGAINST the truth with full knowledge they are not esteeming God’s written word.
Titus is told, “Exhort” (convict)- who? Those who contradict the word- the gainsayers (v.10). They are to actively refute the objections and defend the truth.
If you are firm in your belief of the doctrines of the Christian faith, you can be relied on to maintain and defend those doctrines. You can be expected to withstand those in opposition because you have become familiar and digested the faithful word.
2 Thess. 2:15: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, (holding fast) and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” Hold or stand fast is the Greek word steko, a perfect tense meaning to be stationary, to persevere: in other words we are not to be moved. Those who continue in sound doctrine have not moved from what they were taught, it is those who do not teach sound doctrine that have moved from where they once were.
When the hand says to the foot that it has no need of it, then the body is limited. It is like an auto-immune disease.
Jesus prayed Father that they may be one as you and I are one.
How long will we ignore his prayer.
Let us not grieve the Holy Spirit.
Hi, Sharon:
Not sure I understand you properly. I’d certainly agree with your scriptural allusions for unity (there’s probably no more POWERFUL prayer than Jesus’ asking the Father that we be one, as He and the Father are), and not grieving the Spirit.
But by that do you mean not rejecting Mormons and their leadership ?
If so, it doesn’t quite fit. As above, Mormons are no hand, foot, or any other part of the Body of Christ.
Nor should we understand Jesus’ prayer that we be one to include being yoked unequally with unbelievers (in marriage, politics, or any other important way), do you think ?
Just trying to clarify your meaning, and if I’ve misunderstood, please forgive me.
In Jesus, Steve
Wayne and others,
On the Word of God:
One thing which always confuses me, and maybe I am alone in this, but for around 1500 years most Christians did not have “The Word” available to them to read themselves as either it was not translated into their language or they could not read anyway.
The first Christians, many martyred, only had an “OT”
for reference, there was no NT.
I hear so often about new Christians having to be schooled in The Word as imperative? Does this only apply therefore to modern Christians? See my meaning?
The disciples of Jesus remained Jews too, disciples of “the Way” a messianic sect within Judaism (apart from Paul and his followers, a cursory reading of Scripture makes this very clear ) and still lived by the law.
Can you explain.? Many thanks
“And I heard another voice from heaven saying, ‘Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her
sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.’” (Rev 18:4 NKJV)
My only hope in writing this book is that some will read it, heed it, and come out of these Latter Rain
revivals. There is no “new paradigm” as far as Christianity is concerned, just the same old narrow road that
leads to eternal life in Christ. No immortality or streets of gold on this side of heaven. Just the truth. The
Way, the Truth, and the Life – and that “old rugged cross”.
It comes as no surprise that we are in the midst of a terrible apostasy in these last days as we have
clearly been warned that it would come. It is still a little frightening that so many of God’s people today
could fall for the same old lie that first deceived Eve so many thousands of years ago.
“You shall be as gods.” The same old lie of Satan is the lie at the heart of the New Age Movement.
Even sadder is the fact that it is the same lie that the Latter Rain “prophets” and “apostles” of “Joel’s Army”
are putting forth today. You will become Christ – God on this earth. The heresy of Apotheosis. And yet
thousands of Christians are swallowing it – hook, line, and sinker.
The Church is trading her heavenly hope for an earthly delusion. Like those foolish virgins of the
parable, their lamps have run out of oil. What they perceive to be oil, “the anointing of the Holy Spirit”, is
instead a sensual counterfeit offered up by seducing spirits. This counterfeit anointing comes with a
counterfeit gospel of a false triumphalism that will lead to a New Age “Kingdom” under Anti-Christ. They
will accept Anti-Christ with open arms, perceiving him to be Christ, whom they mistakenly identify as the
“rider on the white horse” of Revelation chapter six verse two.
What is so desperately needed in the Church today is so desperately lacking – discernment.
Discernment to tell the Spirit of Christ from the ecumenical spirit of Antichrist. To discern the true anointing
from the false anointing, the true Christ from the Gnostic Anti-Christ of the Manifest Sons of God.
If you are participating in any of these Latter Rain revivals or churches today I urge you to turn back
to the Bible. Compare what you are hearing and seeing with what is recorded and portrayed in the scriptures.
“Test all things, hold fast to what is good.” Call the leadership into account for everything they say, or teach,
or do that does not line up with the word of God. If they refuse to repent – leave. Flee from the place and
don’t look back. “Remember Lot’s wife.” I know it can be hard to leave a church, especially if you have
family and close personal friends there. But if they will not hear you – leave them behind.
The Latter Rain prophets are right about one thing – doctrine divides. Truth separates the wheat from
the chaff. In the early Church the Apostles kept the deceivers and false apostles out. They did this by
publicly identifying the heretics and warning the sheep of their false doctrines. Because of the diligence of
the true apostles of our Lord, the false apostles and their followers were forced to leave the Church. The
Apostle John writes:
“Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many
antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not
of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might
be made manifest, that none of them were of us.” (1 John 2:18,19 NKJV)
Today we face just the opposite situation in that the false prophets and apostles are in the majority in
many churches. When they gain inroads into a church it’s more likely that only a minority will reject their
false doctrines, revelations, and counterfeit “anointing” and stand on the Bible, being forced to go out from among the apostate majority.
Unfortunately, we can expect this apostasy to continue to spread and grow worse until the Lord
returns. The spirit of Anti-Christ is growing increasingly more powerful and seductive and more and more
churches are falling under its ecumenical Latter Rain spell. As the “revivals” continue to spread there is
going to be increasing pressure upon those of us who continue to stubbornly stand against them. As lying
signs and wonders grow more and more powerful and as the claimed “salvations” increase they will put
more pressure upon us to “jump into the river”, accusing us of being “Pharisees with a religious Spirit” or
worse – “Anti-Christ”, if we continue to reject what they consider to be so great a move of God. “Look at
the sinners being saved! The lives changed! The fruit! The miracles, signs and wonders! How can you
continue to stand against this mighty move of God?” In what I am afraid is a sign of things to come, we read
in the same Charisma article of a local pastor who gave in to the pressure to embrace this counterfeit revival
as the real thing:
One local minister accused Reid of being a cult leader and labeled the church a cult.
He later apologized, “There has been too many converts for me to deny any longer this is a
move of God,” the minister said.335
The Gnostic heretics of the first century gained many converts. So did the later Arian heretics. Did
this make their rising up within the midst of the church “moves of God”? No! The Holy Spirit is still the
Spirit of truth. Until our Lord returns, and we rise up to meet Him in the clouds at the rapture – let us
remember His admonition to the faithful Philadelphian Church:
“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall
come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast
what you have, that no one may take your crown.” (Rev 3:10,11 NKJV)
Remember – “He who endures to the end shall be saved.”
“Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.”
THE TRUE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN FAITHFUL TO TRUE APOSTOLIC TEACHING IN SPITE OF DEMONIC EFFORTS TO SUPPRESS THE PROMULGATION OF THAT TRUE TEACHING.
Nothing will change the basic principles established by the apostles of Jesus Christ and passed onto us in HIS WORD.
THE WORD OF GOD IS ALWAYS THE WORD OF GOD
FALSE RELIGION IS ALWAYS FALSE RELIGION
FALSE TEACHING IS ALWAYS FALSE TEACHING
THE TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD IS ALWAYS THE TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD
GOD IS TESTING FAITHFULNESS TO HIS WORD – NOVELTY EQUATES TO APOSTASY which is rebellion by Gods’ people against HIS Word.
The Bible says rebellion is as witchcraft which is strictly forbidden by GOD. Apostasy therefore equates to abandonment of the faith in favour of a false faith which leads to HELL.
The simple message is
SUBMIT TO THE WORD OF GOD OR GO TO HELL
Thank you for not reading into words any more than what is said.
Let the Spirit lead us in all things.
The bible says we shall be like Him when we see Him as He is, Wayne, isn’t that what salvation is all about? Becoming like Jesus. Not, “Submit to the word of God or go to hell”.
“The Church is trading her heavenly hope for an earthly delusion.”
Well, that is certainly true.
So why are you still standing there looking back like Lot’s wife at the old earthly antichrist delusion? You’re just standing there pickling in the same old pickle juice turning into a pillar of salt. Didn’t Lot have to leave everything of his old life behind, lock, stock and barrel, in order to flee to the mountains of God? Not sure of the way to the mountains?..me neither, but Jesus will show us the way, we can haggle with Him over the details as we go..if we will only trust Him enough and be willing to leave the other behind..the very thought is enough to make our flesh quake isn’t it..
Oliver Cromwell had disagreements with the Christian leaders of Scotland. A part of his letter to them may be applicable in this thread:
“…bring not therefore upon yourselves the blood of innocent men, — deceived with pretences of King and Covenant; from whose eyes you hide a better knowledge! I am persuaded that divers of you, who lead the People, have laboured to build yourselves in these things; wherein you have censured others, and established yourselves ‘upon the Word of God.’ Is it therefore infallibly agreeable to the Word of God, all that you say? I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. Precept may be upon precept, line may be upon line, and yet the Word of the Lord may be to some a Word of Judgment; that they may fall backward, and be broken and be snared and be taken!…There may be, as well, a carnal confidence upon misunderstood and misapplied precepts, which may be called spiritual drunkenness. There may be a Covenant made with Death and Hell! I will not say yours was so. But judge if such things have a politic aim: To avoid the overflowing scourge; or, To accomplish worldly interests? And if therein we have confederated with wicked and carnal men, and have respect for them, or otherwise have drawn them in to associate with us, Whether this be a Covenant of God, and spiritual? Bethink yourselves; we hope we do.”
– To the General Assembly of the Kirk of Scotland, 3 August 1650
In Jesus, Steve
God is blessing you with His Light, Watchful!
Hang on to Jesus for the next adventure just around the corner!
It has taken me several years to learn to EMBRACE the adventure. We are not alone….even when it “appears” that we are.
Happy Trails, God bless you, and thanks for the encouragement!..it kind of feels like learning to fly, amen to the next adventure hanging onto nothing but Jesus and abandoning onses self to Him, Lord give me courage, coming back to our first love when it was pure and unadulterated!
We should not get caught up with diversions of Trivia of what men are saying and what religions are incorrect. We are to make sure we discern where we need to be and who we need to pray with and associate with to keep the Unity of LOVE/mercy the Holyspirit and to lead others by examples of correct behavior love /mercies ~Daily. Remember -WE as people do not Know our right hand from their left Often–look in the book of Jonah.
This is how it is, we just deal with those around us. and pray, keep Spiritually charged up in Scripture reading for our behavior to be directed like Jesus’ daily
We are to Critically spend our mornings in Correct Time alloted And through -out the day as needed to our Lord Jesus we will Know what to do in our daily activities .–>THIS is what we need to focus on. This is What leaning on the everlasting arm , and Not trusting in horse( power of self), mans arm , or anything but the Lords power with in us IS .
The rift raft is always trying to draw our attention away from Time spent alone in our secret places , because the devil Knows that its our source of Directives and counsel. Ask the Lord to reveal continuously as he does who we pray for , what we do, and anything else. He surely will answer with In.
( we as christlike people have a little trouble , imagine if the holySpirit adoption wasnt on us like the rest of the earths impulsive Logically Confused ideals of fleshly ignorances ( willingly or purposefully) and seeking the truth in whatever way it seems correct?-
This is why we NEED Jesus, SEEK Jesus. Actions = Correct new Birth Conduct and directives. No Worries .