http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/forum/7 John The Baptist TV Forum » Forum: FALSE REVIVALS & KUNDALINI SPIRITS - Recent Posts en-US Fri, 18 May 2012 05:26:17 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/search.php http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2812#post-51857 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:21:23 +0000 ValleyAnt 51857@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>And so do I, Ephesians :) God bless. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2812#post-51762 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:01:22 +0000 Ephesians 51762@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>"Ephesians, it may be that you aren't explaining well what you mean."</p> <p>Yes, I find myself doing this. &lt;grin&gt; </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2177#post-51647 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:24:40 +0000 nicole 51647@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>body parts have been 'served on a platter" all the way to being placed in backpacks to there is a "room in heaven that is filled w/ nothing but body parts and God hears the "prophets' prayer" or the persons cry, and sends an angel to bring the body part down.</p> <p>Several false ministries to false prophets have become very well known simply by seeing "body parts" being distributed. I don't know the outcome, but I would think somebody would get sued sooner or later --- and I am sure they have, but somehow have a great Expensive attorney team, at their side. Matter of fact, I know several that have top notched attnys. One thing you will notice, these streams of ministries all seem to be advertizing together or being guest speakers as one anothers conferences and it just continues to grow and more and more get infected w/ this stuff.</p> <p>It is cheap, disgraceful and truly not of the Lord. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723/page/2#post-51643 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:00:23 +0000 nicole 51643@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>From what I witnessed and left, as I saw HIS TRUTH, the people that we left, the groups, the churches, the bible studies etc.etc. </p> <p>These people truly , truly had /has a hunger for the Lord Jesus Christ. Not all but many. The problem is --- they are clinging and hanging on every word of those around them and believing them vs. what Jesus says. Many take a scripture and maybe not even twist it or turn it, but they remain on that one scripture and forget all the rest. Or they take certain scriptures to benifit what they want to impose on the groups, concregants. etc.etc.</p> <p>I wish I could say that it was just a certain type of person, but I can't. Though I tried to tell others of this deception I was denied as they followed what they believed the truth that was spoken by false prophets and even overlooked their faults or unrepented pasts, making excuses or saying "Ah you should have been at this , it was so good"</p> <p>When asked what was so good about it, they would tell you , the anointing was so heavy, was so there, Jesus came to the multitudes in this conference. ---------they believed it.</p> <p>People are falling into deception for wanting and asking for "double anointings" using Elijah and Elisha text. Benny Hinn talks about Katherine Kulman and having a key to her place of burial and having touched her bones for her anointing. This is in his unedited videos and a couple of his books. Others have followed suit w/ the double mantel and Joel's Army, to women or bride of Jesus wearing combat boots and other things. People of all ages , not just the young, or the new convert, but those that have been wanting Revival so much that they throw out common sense and hang on to "this is it" type of things. Older people that have been in ministry work for decades and are now in their 70's are wanting to see Revival before they pass on and so they are going to these places and are being deceived. Of coarse this is not the only reason , but one has to be careful because no one truly knows for sure that there will be another revival. We hope, but it will be on God's terms, not mans, and it will be when HE CHOOSES not man . And we might all be surprised at "how it looks" Though I am sure, there will be lots of repentance and lots of crying out to the Lord as many will see HIS TRUTHS instead of what they had been taught or preceived. ---------</p> <p>Being "slain " by these people have brought them further into deception w/ others thinking NOT THE LORD's Thinking. </p> <p>Blessings to you also.<br /> Nicole </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2177#post-51641 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:51:13 +0000 booter 51641@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>On Sid Roth's (IT'S SUPERNATURAL! &amp; MESSIANIC VISION)-website, his radio show 'The Messianic Vision'.</p> <p>Guest: Michael Kaylor July 4-8, 2011 — Show 1755<br /> Michael Kaylor had a visitation from God. He now sees angels wherever he ministers. The angels are even bringing='brand new human body parts on platters' and many people are experiencing creative miracle healings!</p> <p>Michael Kaylor is also on YouTube videos in interviews with Sid Roth, has been featured on God TV, and is a current speaker for the international 'signs &amp; wonders' movement. He<br /> teaches at: impartation meetings, and the 'fire fall conferences'. </p> <p>This speaker received his spiritual teaching from his Grandfather (who in turn was mentored by William Branham = he has been noted for his miracles by the 'signs &amp; wonders' movement as second only to JESUS for manifested miracles). Branham believed &amp; preached that he was the Prophet Elijah 'returned', todd bentley claims to have inherited the 'annointing &amp; angels' from the spirit of Wlliam Branham, angels played a very important role in Branham's services &amp; ministry.</p> <p>A person is 'known by the circles they move in' he is a regular speaker with: randy clark/one of the original Toronto-blessing ministers, bill johnson/bethel, rolland &amp; heidi baker, che ahn/Harvest Rock, john arnott/Toronto vineyard, larry randolph/Morningstar, etc., 'ad nauseum/ad infinitum' ! </p> <p>Whenever I think "that things can't get any worse! these Anti-Christians prove Me wrong"</p> <p>GOD Bless! </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723/page/2#post-51638 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:30:13 +0000 dagazz 51638@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Nicole.<br /> My heart goes out to all those who are looking to false teachers to bring the closer to God. Sometimes we do learn through trial and error, sometimes, like William said, when you experience the true presence of God, the counterfeit becomes obvious. </p> <p>No one should feel "witch-hunted" for being deceived, I do wonder though how many are still hungering for the truth and reality of God that lead you out of this falsehood, or do they think they have "arrived" spiritually?<br /> I pray that they would not be satisfied with cheap imitations, but instead stirred to cry out to God for His blessings, closeness and freedom. Only He can truely satisfy the hunger of their hearts.<br /> Blessings<br /> G </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723/page/2#post-51620 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:39:54 +0000 nicole 51620@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>For the most part, people on this forum are willing to discuss their stories, their growth and their exposure to ministries that are and are not of the Lord.</p> <p>I will advice though, that others might be "knocking those" that have been "drunk in the spirit" having been exposed to the wrong doctrine AND AT THE TIME, being "new" to these ministries, did follow what the Pastor and others were doing, allowing "laying on of hands" and getting involved in THINKING that it was correct. Not everybody knows the difference, and yet their hearts are completely sold out to the Lord, Jesus Christ, but they truly do not know the difference because they never were exposed to it before. Maybe they came from a different background or are new to a church .</p> <p>So, let's be mindful of those that are reading this, Teaching is one thing, and being critical is another. </p> <p>By the way, I am one that sought our Lord Jesus Christ. I was involved in these "ministries" not because I knew it was wrong but because I wanted the Lord and didn't know better.</p> <p>My eyes were veiled and as things just didn't seem right, after a while, I pleaded that the Lord open my eyes UNTO HIM. Reveal HIS TRUTHS not falseness. I was taken into many groups and ministries , some because I followed the wrong people, others because He led me as I learned.</p> <p>Now several years later, having more decerment under my belt I see things totally different. </p> <p>Even slang words like Papa God, or Papa Yehway is slang from false prophets like Bob Jones and James Goll and even John Crowder. So we really need to be careful and seek our HOLY, Eternal FATHER and not reduce HIM to today's lingo. </p> <p>Many of us that read this forum might not understand as much as others that write on this forum all the time. So please be gentle but truthful. In that you might win some souls that might truly start searching the Lord Jesus Christ or at least question what involvement they have been in or are in. We need to respect others and what they might be experiencing or have experienced. The main thing is that they receive HIS TRUTH and get out of deception.</p> <p>May Christ show in all our hearts.</p> <p>Nicole </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723/page/2#post-51613 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:44:49 +0000 marilynk 51613@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Sometimes the discussion of such subjects helps bring clarity to those that have been in a place of confussion. It helps them to have a greater and clearer understanding of what is truth and what is not truth. Papa Yahawah is revealing to His children the true and exposing the fale in the body of Messiah. The harlot church will be brought down and if she does not repent then all of those that follow after those things found to be false in her will fall with her. Those children that have walked in any of the churches that teach and practise false signs and wonders must repent for following after that which was never of Yah and be fully restored to Him. We must come out of the harlot church completely. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723/page/2#post-51587 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:23:33 +0000 SteveC 51587@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Hi, i had been to a church which had connections with toronto and laterly lakeland. I left that church. I was confused about what was of God and what wasnt. Getting fed up with the confussion i cried to God to clear it up. I read in smith wigglesworths daily devotional words to the effect that something can start in the Spirit but then people carry on in the flesh. This is when it becomes soulish, selfish and ultimately false. This helped me alot. Its learning to be led by the Holy Spirit, learning to stop when He stops. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723/page/2#post-51584 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:13:00 +0000 dagazz 51584@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Thanks William.<br /> If you have a read through the read you will realize that others have noted a genuine move and also identified this counterfeit. </p> <p>The terms we use can also help or confuse the issue. Being lost in God, His glory, love and majesty and filled with joy is NOT the experience we are discussing.<br /> As I noted earlier drunkenness is a judgement not a blessing, saying what you experienced was drunkenness is misleading, as you noted the experiences were different as was the fruit of them. I'm glad you were able to discern and reject the false... unfortunately many don't.<br /> bless you<br /> G </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723#post-51582 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:58:51 +0000 WilliamPrice 51582@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>I have been drunk in the Spirit before, and it was real. But, how I was drunk was somewhat different...</p> <p>You see, when I did get drunk, it was a sense of total loss of depression, strongholds, bondages, and troubles, and a spiritual release of the glory of God being enjoyed. I was enjoying the presence of the Lord to the point of losing myself in it. And when the Lord was finished, I was completely restored and renewed, and giving Jesus the praise for His goodness.</p> <p>To me and for me, it was not some Kundalini spirit, but was a sincere refreshing that enveloped me in the midst of my situation, an infusion of the Spirit like nothing else before, and the renewal of strength. But, it came from the Spirit, and was given, I believe, to the glory and honor of God alone. It did not work division, but did work righteousness.</p> <p>But, I have also experienced the fake, when I was younger, and knew it was my flesh. One worked damnation and the real worked righteousness. There is a difference. Not trying to cause division, but also not going to allow what God has worked in me to be called false either. There are indeed counterfeits, as there are real. One brings glory to God and the other brings attention to man. May the Lord be praised, and all work of the flesh die in order for it to happen. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723#post-51053 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:13:09 +0000 Gziz Frique 51053@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>poppie, there is no way in which we can not understand that drunkenness and irreverence is not from god. if all were really xian and really into him, there would have been no need to discuss this. people need to talk about it the same way as prostitutes discussing the sinful nature of their trade. everybody knows it is sin but they still do it.</p> <p>i have ministered to prostitutes and i have operated as a prophet to the charismania, bringing a warning against the serpentine deception. it was rebellion and a willingly deafness to his warnings that i had come to see many times over.</p> <p>people wanted the kick and willingly traded god in for filth. there arent excuses for this as the nature of what was happening was very obvious. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723#post-51049 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:49:36 +0000 poppie 51049@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>One of the ways that we humans learn, is by discussing things.</p> <p>If we are unwilling for whatever reason to discuss a subject, then we deny the privilege of 'learning' to the questioner.</p> <p>It is not always so easy for some of us to discern as it may be for others, so, we ask; and by Gods grace there will be someone on the forum or elsewhere who can supply the answer.</p> <p>If a thing is ' blasphemy and filth' then are we not obliged to point this out?<br /> And how can this be done if we are not to discuss it.</p> <p>I actually agree with you Gziz, in that I do think that there is much apostasy in the modern church and I am not attending a church at the present time because of this.</p> <p>But, we must not gloss over or ignore those things that you rightly class as demonic.<br /> We must teach those who need to know, the pitfalls and dangers that they need to avoid, lest they stumble.</p> <p>And so I come full circle.</p> <p>There is a need to discuss these things so that those who do not see the ' obvious' do not fall into deception.</p> <p>I believe that this is the work of the watchman on the wall.</p> <p>To warn those that haven't yet seen the deception or the danger.</p> <p>May God bless you greatly and grant you His protection and provision...poppie </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2723#post-51041 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:38:08 +0000 Gziz Frique 51041@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>i find it astounding that we even need discuss this. anyone who have respect for god, others and himself will immediately see that this phenomenon is false, a harlot spirit. it is obvious.</p> <p>that people choose to follow it and then ascribe it to the holy spirit is nothing short of blasphemy against said holy spirit. it is filth we should not even be discussing.</p> <p>be sober in all and of good judgment. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2177#post-51018 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:57:14 +0000 Gziz Frique 51018@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>I live at the tip of Africa and we are completely unaware of this reported body parts on platters. it is just another sensationalist lie. After all, crime is so high here that maybe the body parts were slaughtered from the 50+ people who get murdered every day in a country that claims to be 71% xian.</p> <p>Some in Africa would eat it. Some will steal it, dry it and sell it as muti or witchdoctor medicine. The very last thing that will happen is that it will be used to heal others.</p> <p>I have an explanation for this body part platter story. People see funny things when smoking their green tea instead of drinking it. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2933#post-50956 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:29:38 +0000 Gziz Frique 50956@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Thomas, the average charismatic Xian in South Africa sticks to Jesus as the Son of God and totally disallow His divinity. Isaiah 9:6-7 comes as ice water in the face. it shocks them and they mostly reject any biblical indication of Jesus being God. i am talking about protestant charismatics here.</p> <p>we should not attend meetings where anything but the truth is taught and we should not be open to false teaching. it is man's laziness that makes him a prey.</p> <p>there are theological colleges and missionary schools teaching that Jesus isn't God. it is a general thing here in south africa at least. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2933#post-50955 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:24:41 +0000 thomas.watkins 50955@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>"Now, if non-xians can discern why can't we?"</p> <p>It sometimes takes one to know one, and the flock of God is often never shepherded into the Truth, as the Truth in the Word of God. Even when you are taught a lie, by one of your false prophets or lying teachers, and you believe it, you are then blinded to the light; You refuse it. [ Consider the Mormon faith, which exalts Jesus as a prophet...but not God in the body of a man.</p> <p>This is why the false prophets and teachers must be exposed, and shown for the wolves they are. The lie, and dead religion, will blind and kill the innocent. </p>