http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113 John The Baptist TV Forum » Topic: The love JESUS asks has Loyalty! It comes with Opposition! en-US Sat, 25 May 2013 23:39:23 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/search.php http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/3#post-36588 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:55:27 +0000 eaglelife 36588@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Sheepkinz</p> <p>Loved your post.</p> <p> There is no capacity for truth. There is all this love, love, love, mushy, huggy, spineless, truthless, crossless love of Jesus. It is love without the cross and the blood of Jesus Christ. IT IS MARKED ULTIMATELY BY THE LOVE OF SELF. </p> <p> You cannot be marked by the blood without truth in the "INWARD PARTS". We have NO LOYALTY TO JESUS without this "TRUTH" IN OUR "INWARD" PARTS. We all need God to expose the subtle hypocrisy, guile, pride and all the other subtle junk in our lives. The deep down motives of self in our hearts that seem to escape our attention over the years. They are easy to push back into the closet and shut the door in the very most inner recesses of our hearts. We have learned to live in denial. The cross exposes this kind of self.</p> <p>The loyalty to Jesus you talk about, the perspective you bring to it, I appreciate. It touches a deep aspect of our walk. ETERNAL LIFE , I am realizing, IS BEING CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE. The loyalty to Jesus exposes the whole fear of people, people pleasing, people sin tolerance, the fear of being offensive, of being rejected. </p> <p>The end time people of God who live out of the cross, who are marked by the blood, who love their lives not unto the death, who are bold to stand up in the face of adversity and declare the word of God, the "LIVING WORD OF GOD", THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PURGED TO THE VERY CORE OF THEIR BEING OF THIS " SELF" LOVE THAT DENIES JESUS CHRIST.</p> <p>I suspect everyone of us on this forum has some aspect, some greater some lesser, of this "self protecting love" that DENIES JESUS CHRIST.</p> <p>Have to go, hopefully I can come back to this. I would like to re read what you said Sheepkinz. You are hitting on a truth I have been seeing for some time. I don't have time to express what I am sensing and feeling and seeing. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/3#post-36566 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:18:43 +0000 Lucinda 36566@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <blockquote><p><strong>The love JESUS asks has Loyalty!</strong></p></blockquote> <p>That says it all!</p> <p>Be blessed,<br /> Lucinda </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/3#post-36565 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:18:35 +0000 sontrans 36565@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Speaking of the title of this thread "The Love Jesus asks has loyalty..." I'd like to give you John 14:21 - "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me..." </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/3#post-36562 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:49:11 +0000 Sheepkinz 36562@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Grey, I can relate too, we cant accomplish anything without Him, thats a true fact:))) isnt in wonderful to know that In Christ we can do all things in CHRIST, if we would just be that holy vessel The Lord desires to have and to move in:)<br /> much love in Jesus~ </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36554 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:56:39 +0000 greybeard 36554@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>sheepkinz</p> <p>Great post. Can really relate as i get older i just seem so much dumber which is good as i have learned to seek the LORD instead of just thinking i know how to accomplish it my self.</p> <p>In Christ grey </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36407 Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:55:07 +0000 Gramma 36407@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Sheepkinz you said “the love of Jesus is also loyalty to Him above all else.” Yes it is the faithfulness of His Bride Amen.</p> <p>LOL that you had a LOL - God Bless and sleep tight. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36405 Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:17:47 +0000 Sheepkinz 36405@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>fixed typos and off to bed I go, The Lord bless you and the Lord Keep you! </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36404 Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:15:45 +0000 Sheepkinz 36404@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Mum said,<br /> There is something about this that seems like it still needs to be grasped so that we have the mind of Christ on the matter and not our own mind and emotions. For example, even when the Father shares with us of His grief, joy, anger, etc, our experience of it is not necessarily how He experiences it, because His ways are not like our ways, they are HIGHER than ours, and we experience things through our human body, mind, emotions etc, whereas God is spirit.</p> <p>Mum, you brought up a very good point, very. His ways are not like ours and most of us know this to be true. You talked about Jesus when he was angry , it came from the Holy Spirit not his flesh. As I read your post earlier today, I was reminded of scripture about when Jesus overturned the money changers tables. I had to ponder awhile because Jesus came in the flesh. Im not so sure he was at rest when he did that! He was righteously angered. Did he feel the Fathers anger? I dont know.</p> <p>I can not speak for anyone else but from my own walk and relationship with the Lord. Words He spoke to me back in 2006 will remain forever embedded because when He calls me to fast I obey immediately. A lessen I learned.<br /> One day the Holy Spirit spoke forth and told me I was called to fast.<br /> Later that evening I thought maybe I was wrong in what I heard. So I ate.<br /> I woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. While in the bathroom. This was spoken forth. " I called you to fast, NOW saith the Lord I will shut down your organs and cause you to fast.<br /> I repented immediately. Went back to bed. </p> <p>The next morning I tried to eat. It would not go down, therefore I spit it out in the trash.<br /> 7 days went by as the Lord had called me to do something concerning false prophets and diviners and chanters and the like.<br /> which Im not going to go into. Its done, over.<br /> This 7th day I asked the Lord if I could eat yet?<br /> Later the Holy Spirit responded as I will never forget this whole thing, ever. This was spoken forth as I walked down my long hallway in another place I had lived: "Not yet my daughter, for I do not need your flesh to get in the way of the good work I am doing saith the Lord."</p> <p>The 12th day I knew I was done and finally was lifted off for me to eat. I could not just tear into food. I had to start out with oatmeal and toast for several days and work from there.</p> <p>The reason I am sharing is this is because Im going somewhere with this at the Lords reminding me today while thinking. When the Lord wants to do something in His servants.</p> <p> (Look the flesh likes to rear its ugly head, thats a fact.)</p> <p> However when the flesh is not fed food and filled with much food. You become more sensitive to the Holy Spirit and the rising up of the Holy Spirit within you. The flesh is now become under the leading of Holy Spirit and flesh subjects to the Holy Spirit. </p> <p>So when we talk about emotions as you mum brought up. If you are being led of the flesh you will react in an emotional and fleshly way.<br /> when the Holy Ghost is leading and guiding and in control and flesh has submitted to the Holy Ghost , you react under the leading of the Holy Ghost.<br /> There is a righteous anger that can be felt, not as intense as the Lord would be, no. There is a weeping in the Spirit- we call it grieving or weeping in the Spirit- it is a type of intercession, yes.<br /> The Holy Spirit has emotions and Gods people feel those, What He allows us to feel. The Lord doesnt need policing His kingdom as you called it mum. He doesnt need any of us. However He chose us and He called us and He requires us to obey. If He calls you or I to go a room full of diviners are you gonna go or r u gonna say no way? If He calls you to go forth to someone you know and speak forth that which He has spoken forth in your ear , are you going to go or bow out? Will you go forth to a den of thieves and speak all that the Lord calls you to speak? Family, friend , a stranger?<br /> The Love of Jesus is also loyalty to Him above all else. It is opposition to those that oppose Gods truth. It is opposition to those who pervert the gospel. It is opposition to those who wish to keep on in their false doctrines and false beliefs. Look, we dont live in a environment of a friendly and or loving world. Many are called , few chosen, why? </p> <p>Jesus said if they hated me , they will hate you and it is truth.<br /> To be a friend of the Lords is enimity with the world. No doubt on that one.</p> <p>We can rationalize all the day long about this and about that. To me the only thing that matters is His will be done in this earth. People can hate me all the day long that wont change me. People can despise me and any other person who comes along and stands up not in the flesh but prayerfully in the Holy Ghost and speaks forth truth as led of the LORD. </p> <p>For almost a year I was not on any forums. The Lord took me in and cut off things and removed things that were not of Him. When He called me off forums I thought well thats a rap. Guess its over, just simply over. I felt lost and I didnt know what to do with myself. He lovingly pulled me and drew me closer and closer and I praise my God for the good work He is doing in me. I cant do it but He most assuredly has, will and continues too daily.</p> <p>This question came to me earlier, so I ask it sincerely now.<br /> When was the last time any of you were cut off from forums, people and got closed up with Him. I ask you when was the last time you took time out for you and Jesus to know Him and to sit as His feet and to learn His ways and to commune?<br /> Loyalty- do I have it , I dont know, am I faithful with the little?<br /> I pray so and if not Lord make me to be so.<br /> Im not perfect by no means but my heart is to be that of a servant and it is my hearts prayer that everyone one of us heres hearts desires are to be that. A deep passion and desire to know our Lord and Savior. </p> <p> Funny, the more you think you know, the more you realize you dont know much and need the Lord constantly teaching you and I of His ways.</p> <p>We may be nobodys to people but Praise be to God we are somebodys in Jesus eyes....I am my beloved's and He is mine....<br /> We may be filthy rags but the Lord sure can and will clean us all up and make us whiter than wool.</p> <p>Several weeks ago I was given an open vision. I was in a chamber/ a closet like room. I looked down and I was wearing my wedding dress. Than this was spoken forth:. I am calling MY bride to come forth from out of her chambers. I believe that is not just for me but for you who TRULY are His bride and those that have been so tucked away with Him and sitting at the very feet of Jesus learning, listening and communing with HIM.</p> <p>I enjoyed reading your posts and avoice its okay I been called sheepskin before, lol... The Lord gave me that name a few years back when I was praying for a username. When I see the words it reminds me of a baby sheep. yea:)</p> <p>Gramma said lol<br /> "you can dress the old girl up but you can't take her out! ", </p> <p>I really gotta thank you, because I was walking around the house laughing. I dont know that I have ever heard that before, but that was hilarious and for me, a good belly laugh. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36391 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:54:14 +0000 NewJerusalem 36391@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Thank you avoice, for His Truth.</p> <p>The destruction of the flesh/sin nature/soul (all one and the same) is what we ALL should be DESIRING from the Lord.</p> <p>THAT IS AGAPAO LOVE FOR OUR LORD AND OUR BRETHREN AND THE UNBELIEVERS STILL IN THE WORLD/KINGDOM OF DARKNESS. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36390 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:50:07 +0000 avoice 36390@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>NJ,<br /> Paul's words were written to the church.<br /> He did not say to seperate ourselves from unbelievers,<br /> as we would have to be removed from the world.<br /> Jesus hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors, and all manner of "sinners" who were not members of the Church.</p> <p>If we have people who fall under these above mentioned categories in the church,<br /> we are to follow the directives of going to the brother, giving them time to repent, then escalating the proceedings (in the case of non-repentance) up to the point of removing them from fellowship with the church.<br /> This act is done so that they may be ASHAMED, and so that others will see it and FEAR.<br /> They are also handed over to satan for the destruction of their flesh, so that their souls may be saved in the day of judgement.</p> <p>Jesus did not break the directives of the Holy Spirit as written by Paul. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36388 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:37:09 +0000 Gramma 36388@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Sheepkinz you are right on the mark! Twist the truth whichever way you like - you can dress the old girl up but you can't take her out! Thank you for that good word and God Bless. </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36387 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:36:29 +0000 NewJerusalem 36387@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>Most definitely Paul wrote it under the anointing.</p> <p>I am asking you personally how are you going to obey what Paul said "AND" FOLLOW JESUS' EXAMPLE OF NOT REJECTING OR PHYSICALLY SEPARATING yourself from those who Paul was talking about? </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36386 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:33:09 +0000 avoice 36386@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>I do not need to rationalize it.<br /> The Holy Spirit wrote it.<br /> It is only my job to obey it.</p> <p>Is it your point of view that Paul did NOT write that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36385 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:31:19 +0000 NewJerusalem 36385@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>avoice you have just described Mankind's idea of Love.</p> <p>Jesus was accused by the Pharisees for doing what Paul told us NOT TO DO.</p> <p>How do you rationalize that? </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36384 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:23:44 +0000 avoice 36384@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>sheepkinz,<br /> Your words are Truth!</p> <p>It is so ironic that the same Paul who wrote<br /> "Love Never Fails" under the inspiration of God<br /> is also the same one who wrote<br /> 1 Corinthians 5:11<br /> But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.<br /> ALSO under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.<br /> Same letter to the Corinthians.</p> <p>Many "experts on love" would have you believe that<br /> old Paul, "so full of rules and regulations and doctrines," did not really know what<br /> "Love that Never Fails" was comprised of.</p> <p>sheepkinz, your name took me aback at first, as I was reading it as "SHEEP SKINS".<br /> There are clearly those hovering about in sheep skins,<br /> hoping to confuse and unsettle the sheep.<br /> I am glad to read that you are not one of them!I have really been enjoying your posts!<br /> But everyone be watchful for those ravening wolves </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36381 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:02:24 +0000 Kathleen 36381@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>NJ that is exactly what I wrote in my post back to my friend! Thank you for confirming that. </p> <p>God Bless you! </p> http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2113/page/2#post-36380 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:00:24 +0000 NewJerusalem 36380@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ <p>On the Cross, Jesus experienced the FULL WRATH OF GOD UPON ALL THE SINS OF CREATION, past, present, and future.</p> <p>No man/woman will experience the same FULL WRATH OF GOD as Jesus did. </p> <p>We receive the wrath of God for only our own sins....Jesus did for ALL MANKIND FOREVER CREATED.</p> <p>I am writing to show the comparison of what GOD'S FULL WRATH UPON JESUS FOR ALL SINS OF CREATION looks like to what Mankind's teaching of the wrath of God upon each person.</p> <p>You must admit that mankind has EXAGGERATED THE WRATH OF GOD upon the individual. </p>