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John The Baptist TV Forum » Topic: Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well. http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747 John The Baptist TV Forum » Topic: Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well. en-US Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:36:39 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/search.php harvestisripe on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/4#post-47914 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:08:11 +0000 harvestisripe 47914@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Yes he truely is an awesome God - a loving Father - and I am forever greatful he does chasten those whom he loves - God has shown me we are not to harden our hearts against those in deception in the four walls - some are saved some follow another Jesus and we surely shall snatch some out of the fire as God says - COME OUT - we must be his arm to reach out in love and to say yes come as he hath said - here is the path we are to follow. Tom I pray for these daily. Bless You, Lynn thomas.watkins on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/4#post-47908 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:10:27 +0000 thomas.watkins 47908@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Booter:Mike Bickle recently spoke of the "CONVERGENCE" of Mission movements,,,and met with Loren Cunningham about this unified fist...you can find it at IHOP or Mike's website. All of the major mission/youth movements are infected....[ including the Billy Graham assoc. ]..and they all return the converts from the Roman Catholics BACK to the Pope...the mother of Western Babylon. To me it is both amazing, and forebodimg. There is a bad cloud rising, bearing the standard of true Evangelical discipleship on one side, and the Jolly Roger on the other. The end of this abomination will come to nothing in the Lord's eyes...yet it will sweep multitudes into the Harvest, as Chaff. The GREST FALLING AWAY is upon us. thomas.watkins on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/4#post-47906 Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:46:21 +0000 thomas.watkins 47906@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Thank-you Lynn, also. The Lord knows those that are his, and all of us , me included have nibbled on that apple...until delivered. Your testimony ought to make us realize that His people too can be drinking of the mixture...and not know....and we must be careful to speak the truth IN LOVE....lest we be found guilty of stumbling a little one of His...deceived or not.[ I'm preaching to myself....] Often before I took the scripture: "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!" to be a decision that the saints made....but the older I get, I don't think so. It is a command the Lord has made, that saints like you, Lynn, are not able to remain in Babylon...for the Lord has commanded that you be delivered! "COME OUT!"...He commanded...just as in Egypt of old. Kathleen on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/4#post-47795 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 04:24:26 +0000 Kathleen 47795@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Wow! Thank you Lynn for sharing your testimony. The thing that upsets me and makes me angry really is the ruthlessness of the deception cloaked in a little bit of truth. Ruthless because it preys on our genuine love for Jesus, our genuine desire to be close to Him and please Him. One would think only the young in the Lord could fall victim to these charlatans but it seems none are safe. If you say anything to them, once the Lord has made you aware of the deception, the mask comes off of them and they attack you where it hurts. You soon realize that the love, love, love they preach is not Godly love. Love without Jesus is flattery-which is of the devil and used to manipulate. They say they want the "glory" that seems to be all you hear but do they really want to see Jesus glorified or do they want to steal the glory from Him in a subtle way? Praise our Lord for loving us and for being the Good Sheperd who will leave the 99 and go after the 1. I pray He will preserve all of us in His mercy in these last days. God bless you! harvestisripe on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47794 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 03:31:10 +0000 harvestisripe 47794@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ I began to become involved in the Prophetic Movement because I-Hop had all the prophets and associated with others said to be prophets being in Jills school I was asked to pray for the people at several of the conferances. So this got me started on my journey of deception and I started going to many of the conferances and there is such deception and addiction - and satan has a way of making you think you are running after the Lord but in reality you begin chasing after man. I had heard all about the gold dust - the feathers and angel dust -satan is so suttle for these things take man away from the Lord and put their attention on false manifestations and angels - although I never worshiped angels nor really was evey drawn to the manifestations all part of the deception - just never seemed real to me - my focus became more on the man of God while deceiving myself I was just seeking more of Jesus. Thinking how spiritual the man of God was and this is exactly what they count on - this is what the big name people live for They are not millions of dollars rich because they preach the cross and repentance. they keep the people convinced they are in touch with and hear from god and his angels surround them. There are spirits of darkness that follow many of these big conferance speakers and most prophecy falsely. Saddly I had one come to me and tell me I was being deceived even the Holy Spirit would bring up red flags - even allowing me to see the spirits of darkness in two of the most popular lady conferance speakers - even tothe point their voices began to sc sreechand I said, Thank you Lord for showing me their deception and that they are false Prophets and so I go geting involvec further looking for only the real men of God -"Right!" ended up at one of Rodeney Howard Browns conferances and the Holy Spirit exposed to me the spirit of darkness this man really walks in. As if this was not enough - I end of going to a five day conferance with Patrica Cox/King and then to a couple of Todd Bentleys conferances - see I was infected with deception - and I was totally ignorant of their third heaven guided Visualization ignorant of the doors that open one to spirits of darkness - the New Age calls them spirit guides - demons is what they are. They use imagagery - and taught about open portals to heaven. Well you would think my precious Lord would have had enough of this - what an awful example I must have been to some. Well at one of Todd Bentleys conferances I boughthis teaching on third heaven visitations - and brought it home to listen too. I was laying on my living room floor listening to his teaching on how to visualize the third heaven - he instructs you how while you are listening tells you what to say and as I was getting caught up into his guided teaching - -all of a sudden my body began to jirk and shake and suddenly became as if frozen stiff - I could not move any part of my body and I knes some demon was trying to take control of me - and so with all the effort I could muster - I cried out God save me - Jesus help me and as soon as I pleaded with the Lord - my body went totally limp. God spared my that night and I will be forever thankful. I spent most of the night in tears of repentance asking God to forgive me confessing my sins against him and I began to renounce all the hands layed on me and all the deception I had opened myself up to and I sobbed for a very long time for grieving the Holy Spirit and setting such a horrible example of the true Power and person of the Holy Spirit. So yes I am a witness against them - I have set in conferances with most in the Prophetic movementand so I will warn and sound the alarm - the spirits that so many walk in are dangerous and they are deceptive and the speakers have just enough truth to their message always making you think they can bring in the needed revival and open heavens - and that they are Gods sent apostles and prophets. Again I am so greatful to my Lord - for his mercy and his love harvestisripe on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47793 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 03:31:09 +0000 harvestisripe 47793@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ I began to become involved in the Prophetic Movement because I-Hop had all the prophets and they associated with others said to be prophets and held conferances together - now being in Jills school I was asked to pray for the people at several of the conferances. So this got me started on my journey of deception and I started going to many of the conferances and there is such deception and addiction - and satan has a way of making you think you are running after the Lord but in reality you begin chasing after man. I had heard all about the gold dust - the feathers and angel dust -satan is so suttle for these things take man away from the Lord and put their attention on false manifestations and angels - although I never worshiped angels nor really was ever really drawn to the manifestations all part of the deception - just never seemed real to me - my focus became more on the man of God while deceiving myself I was just seeking more of Jesus. Thinking how spiritual the man of God was and this is exactly what they count on - this is what the big name people live for They are not millions of dollars rich because they preach the cross and repentance. they keep the people convinced they are in touch with and hear from God and his angels surround them. There are spirits of darkness that follow many of these big conferance speakers and most all prophecy falsely. Saddly I had one come to me and tell me I was being deceived and just brushed it off even the Holy Spirit would bring up red flags - even allowing me to see the spirits of darkness in two of the most popular lady conferance speakers - even to the point their voices began to sreech and I said, Thank you Lord for showing me their deception and that they are false Prophets and so I go geting involved further, looking for only the real men of God "Right!" ended up at one of Rodeney Howard Browns conferances and the Holy Spirit exposed to me the spirit of darkness this man really walks in. As if this was not enough I end of going to a five day conferance with Patrica Cox/King and then to a couple of Todd Bentleys conferances - see I was being infected with deception - and I was totally ignorant of their third heaven guided Visualization ignorant of the doors that open one to spirits of darkness - the New Age calls them spirit guides - demons is what they are. They use imagagery - and taught about open portals to heaven. Well you would think my precious Lord would have had enough of this - what an awful example I must have been to some. Well at one of Todd Bentleys conferances I bought this teaching on third heaven visitations - and brought it home to listen too. I was laying on my living room floor listening to his teaching on how to visualize the third heaven as he instructs you how while you are listening tells you what to say and as I was getting caught up into his guided teaching - -all of a sudden my body began to jirk and shake and suddenly became as if frozen stiff - I could not move any part of my body and I knew some demon was trying to take control of me - and so with all the effort I could muster - I cried out God save me - Jesus help me and as soon as I pleaded with the Lord - my body went totally limp. God spared my that night and I will be forever greatful. I spent most of the night in tears of repentance asking God to forgive me confessing my sins against him and I began to renounce all the hands layed on me and all the deception I had opened myself up too and I sobbed for a very long time for grieving the Holy Spirit and setting such a horrible example of the true Power and person of the Holy Spirit. So yes I am a witness against them - I have set in conferances with most in the Prophetic movementand so I will warn and sound the alarm - the spirits that people so many walk in such darkness and are dangerous and they are deceptive and the speakers have just enough truth to their message always making you think they can bring in the needed revival and open heavens - and that they are Gods sent apostles and prophets. Again I am so greatful to my Lord - for his mercy and his love and his chastening and if I can help spare one from thea two years of awful deception with my testimony - It is all worth it. God Bless, Lynn harvestisripe on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47791 Sun, 02 Oct 2011 00:36:14 +0000 harvestisripe 47791@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Ok Moving on - I began to seek the Lord and I thought of him all the time and still do to this very day - and my love began to grow leaps and bounds I wanted so much more of him - I became so spiritually hungry for him, My problem was I started looking for him in all the wrong places. I had been asked to be on the Alter team at my church for I am an intercessor - and intercessors many times weep for the lost - and there were 12 of us - Oh how we loved each other spent a lot of time together praying - and I began to operate in the Gift of knowledge as I would pray for some and a few would sometimes prophecy. This was rather new to me back then and a friend told me about Jill Austin at Mike Bickles I-Hop and her school of the Prophetic she called "New Paradigms of the Prophetic". So I began the School of the Prophetic and sat under Jills teaching. I was prayed over a lot by Jill and would listen to her teaching on on angelic visitations even tapes she recorded while in New Zealand lisiening to the people where she spoke, speaking out whom where said to be seeing angels. She spoke a lot on heavenly visitations. She would take the word of God and have us spiritualize it -and tell its story we had an assignment to pick someone from the bible and write about them and what it was that was really being said about them - I picked David. Jill was known as the "Master Potter" she would do pottery as she would tell stories about the bible in her earlier years. This stuff just began to open doors to deception - it is truely by the Grace of God I was spared and able to come out of these deceptions - but - not right away - and not without God - Radically - showing me my great error. Will take this a little further in a little while. God bless, lynn harvestisripe on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47788 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:47:09 +0000 harvestisripe 47788@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Where To start - Early 2000 I was Baptised in the Holy Spirit - now I must say I was a believer baptised and sealed of the Holy Spirit at age 12 - 50 some years ago - an it was not as you can see - until many years later I was baptised in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues three days later as I began to Pray. It was just after I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that the Lord began to do a miracle in my life and change my life in such a way I will never be able to deny him. I immediately began to see first hand and was given an understanding of what sin really was - and how it seperates you from God - This caused myself great sorrow and fear - I heard in my spirit - what does darkness have to do with light? and knew at that moment how much God hates sin - I too began to hate sin - and only wanted to serve God in holiness and with all my heart. So much so I layed down the one sin I had held on to and made excauses for - thinking God would just overlook it. During this time God also imparted within me a heart for the lost and gave me a devestating dream of hell - that still brings great sorrow to me this day - yet I know God is Holy and he is a Just God and he truely wants none to perish. Also during this time of God dealing with me and my new Baptism of the Holy Spirit - and my passion for the Lost - God put precious Jessie a homeless lady in my life.I fell in love with Jessie the first time I met her - such a frail lady stuck out in the snow - I will not go into all detail she was a part of my life for a little over a month and she was a very wise woman and she told me one day when I told her how much Jesus loved her - "THE CHURCH NEEDS TO KNOW WHO JESUS IS" One day as I was sitting with Jessie in my van she had told me earlier she was going to be leaving and head to the West Coast to meet some people - I began to worry about her for she once again would be homeless. I began to cry trying to hide my tears and we sat in my car for about 20 minutes not saying a word - and as we sat there I had and open vision and I saw Jesus sitting between us in my van and I litterly could feel his very presence stronger than I ever have - and I litterly felt his hand on my shoulder as I wept and I knew he had his other hand on Jessie's shoulder also - and a peace began to come over me like no other and I knew I could face any storm that would ever come my way. Jessie left three days later and I looked up her name and is means Jesus with you. She was taken quite a distance away to a womans shelter for the night - and left there the next day. I know some will not be able to accept this but please understand is it God I am held accountabe too as I speak and I do so in the fear of the Lord. Oh how I hold on to this precious memory daily - he has been my greatest friend in the good times and during the persecutions I have been through as I stand up for his truth - for I hate compromise of his truth especially in these late hours - and I know he will never leave me nor forsake me - nor any whoom are truely his - no matter what the situation. I truely have been touched by the Hand of the Lord. This is the first time I have spoken of this on a public forum - only to my pastor at that time I told as well as my family and my friend and a precious family I met while in Israel in 2000. Funny how God put us together all the way in Israel to confirm this open vision and the end days I will be in. I speak of this in the fear - and - the joy of the Lord that he be lifted up and people be drawn only to him. Only he is worthy of our Praise and adoration. I am nothing - he is everything -He loves his bride - Hold tight to him - keep your eyes on Jesus. I bring this up so I can show you where I was - why I ended up where I did for a time and it was my own fault. I am going to post this much for now and will post the rest a little later. So I do not lose this. God bless, Lynn harvestisripe on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47785 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:02:55 +0000 harvestisripe 47785@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Wow! nicole - BLESS YOU FOR YOUR WITNESS - I too have been a witness to all you say - I have seen with my own eyes and have heard with my own ears all you speak of here - and it is the absolute truth. We must be faithful to speak loudly out against these, most have had their conscience siered - falseProphets/Apostles False teachers of doctrines of demons - and they know exactly what they are doing - and they are controled by demon spirits and they continue to cause many to become demomnized - they have been warned time and time again by many - and have refused to listen - a few even threatened Christs saints - and it literally makes me sick. God has said there is a date set for these and yes these we are not to pray for whom he mentions here. I too have witnessed the Fire Tunnel at a Todd Bently conferance and I thank You for mentioning it - and it contains within it a strong spirit. I asked the Lord what demon was being imparted - and He brought to my mind much later how the people slithered back and forth almost in a druken stuper bending backwards and forward as they stumbled through in a way I have never witnessed before while going through the tunnel - A few would fall down and have to be carried out - and I can now see it was the kundilini Spirit. When Christs saints go through this tunnel they are being demonized. Of course they claim it is of the Holy Spirit. I will write more as I have time because I can see these whom deceive and fleece Christ sheep are back in full force and we - MUST BEAR WITNESS AGAINST THEM - whom God has give much - much is required and I can not keep silent. God Bless, Lynn booter on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47783 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:51:36 +0000 booter 47783@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ To: thomas.watkins, I have personal experience with the Heresey and Beliefs of Heidi & Rolland Baker, several years ago I inadvertantly attended what I thought was a Church conference weekend in Palmdale - California. Heidi Baker was the Keynote speaker for the conference, 'for 2+hours she rolled around on the stage, barking & moaning, cackling & profaning the True Believers all of this in GOD's Name'! All the while her followers were in ecstacy over her antics! Heidi Baker is now one of the Foundational speakers teaching in YWAM, if you are curious as to YWAM's response, I have a series of e-mails sent between Myself & YWAM Leadership detailing My experiences & their stance on Heidi Baker. Please keep all this in Prayer, it's only going to get worse! until JESUS returns.... GOD Bless! Jeremy on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47782 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:34:12 +0000 Jeremy 47782@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Yes, Lisa. It was about the New Age Christians (NAR etc.). It was one of those dreams that seal something as God's statement about it so strongly that from then on you can't be moved from it. This dream was that that movement is evil and even a single dallying with it can destroy someone. Link is below. <a href="http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2036" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2036</a> avoice on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47779 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:59:31 +0000 avoice 47779@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Jeremy, Was it you who had the dream about the people with vynil hoods on and vans full of people being kidnapped by the leaders in the vans? Kathy1971 on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47775 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:09:26 +0000 Kathy1971 47775@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ I just listened to a sermon by David Wilkerson titled "counterfeit spirituality" and although it was preached sometime ago, it so relevant for today. It is long, about an hour but is so powerful and shows in scripture (John 8) what the Lord felt about counterfeit spirituality. <a href="http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=3&commentView=itemComments" rel="nofollow">http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=3&commentView=itemComments</a> God Bless you all. nicole on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47773 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:21:37 +0000 nicole 47773@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ One more thought---------for those that still watch allot of Christian t.v. or even movies or soap operas (that you have not yet let go of, or for that matter sports or hollywood stars, etc.etc. ) But let's just stick w/ people's favorite Pastors, leaders--- If you will pay close attention- you will notice that people are not "mimicing" or looking unto the Lord for HIS STANDARDS, they are looking to the one that is grooming them. For instance, we were in YES, Benny Hinn's ministry for a total of almost 2 in a 1/2 yrs. We saw so so much, and yes, there were actual people that got healed, did they stay healed? or was truly of God ? Well that is the Lord's call, not mine, just like in all these other ministries, BUT this I know, we watched hundreds get "slain in the spirit" and then those that "had something that B. Hinn, saw, in them" they were scooped up and slain again and then afterwards were trained , groomed and told what to do and where to go , as far as working w/ certain ministries and people and pastors and leaders, etc.etc. We can probably all think of one or two. But one that I remember so vividly is Jentzen Franklin and he was a guest speaker many times and also on Hinn's program, it did not take long for Franklin (Jentzen) to start immitating what B.Hinn did. From his talk to the way he would offer "you become a Gold partner and we will have a plaque w/ your name on it, right here, in front on our new building that the Lord told us to build" If you watch these people, they all have little pions that are grooming and they will be just like the one grooming them and a mixture of others that they are told to go and learn from. They all have "hands laid on them" they all go through much and they come out w/ a mixture of different people w/ the added touch of their own personality. -------This is not of God, this is of man and man's mannerisms and brainwashing. If you watch Heidi or any of them, long enough, you will see that she has the same exact mannerisms as her fellow mates. First Jill Austin, was a big mentor to her, as is P. King and others. Look at C. Pierce , he and C. Jacobs do allot of the same thing , even use the same tone at times. Look at John Hagee and his son, Matt. they even tell the same jokes and pray the same and I have caught them even speaking in tongues and then answering the same thing in several different services. This is not of God. These are things that need to be repented of and renounced and washed clean from. We are ONLY to keep our eyes on the Lord, anyone else can misguide us. Now having said that, YES< there are those that truly teach and preach the Word of God but it is up to us to discern it. Many times we are "engulfed " in a great sermon and going AMEN BROTHER! and then we get home and we start thinking about it and the "moment has gone /elapsed" and we start thinking "God did you really say this" I didn't catch on to B. Hinn all the time we were in the ministry. It was afterwards when someone sent me an Apologetics of what B. Hinn says vs. what the bible says. and it was one column of what Hinn says, and the other column was next to it of what the bible says. Little by little I laid the false down, repented, (even though I didn't know better) I repented because my heart only wanted truth, My spirit only wanted HIM. When someone asks a question, "brother,sister, is this the truth, can we find the truth somewhere, or help me to do research to find the truth"-----NO ONE and I mean NO ONE should belitte or say anything against that brother or sister, even if they are a nuisance. If that person is questioning it is because they are led to question and that is GOOD. We have all gotten so saturated w/ falseness and the internet and all that is said that we NEED TO QUESTION and search the HEART OF GOD and then WAIT UPON HIM. And once again, HE IS NOT ON OUR TIME SCHEDULE. When the facts have come to the surface and sometimes it looks like the facts but aren't , and we have proof of these things, and we tell others and they still don't believe it, then we can pray for those people and hope that they are willing to have the Lord open their eyes to HIS TRUTH. May God Help those that want to know HIS TRUTH. Jeremy on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47772 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:04:54 +0000 Jeremy 47772@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Nicole, full agreement and thank you, and it bears repeating: "because it is HE we look up to and do not want to hurt." Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It is Jesus, Who deserves a pure and spotless church, and not a dirty, demonized harlot, that we can't offend. God help us to be wholly His. nicole on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47770 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:51:49 +0000 nicole 47770@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ My heart aches right now because there is such conflict in the churches. I have such a testimony and I was writing it but I have other things to do and I stopped and will proceed in the future if I need to. No one is "condemning" these people. I don't know if some realize it. We are condemning their actions and their YES, JEZEBEL spirit and other spirits they have entangled themselves in. These are "cults" that are acting in the name of Jesus and His Righteousness, yet they are mixture. Jesus is not mixture. We do judge rightly and we hope that these people will all fall on their knees, stand up, weep, yell or whatever they feel inside of themselves to do, when they FINALLY see the deceptive lies they have been doing and bringing others into. I don't say this -tongue in cheek- I say this w/ sincere love. Jeremy is right, we forgive them for deceiving us, we ask the Lord to forgive us, we repent, we renounce and we ask HIM for deliverance. In time, He will show us HIS HEART and at that point one will realize that these people are not HIS (at the moment) they can be, but they are not now. One can not be doing evil and be HOLY. One can not be lying and deceiving and by HOLY , one can not be taking in every penny, nichel and dime and credit card from unsuspecting Christians and BE HOLY. One can not be talking about "all they are doing for the Lord" and be HOLY. One can be doing all the good for those around them and helping and saving people from rape, but still NOT BE HOLY. One might have helped many, many thousands and claim that God was there - and He might have been, But that does not mean they are HOLY when they are confusing and not telling the truth. No one talks about all these people's body guards that have guns, weapons, and have literally brought down the people, Not God's Angels as they declare, but they happened to be trained. And that is their business, but don't say that it is the Lord and HIS ARMY of Angels that brought down the guns of the thugs. ONE tells the truth and then says THANK YOU LORD for providing me w/ the ones that can help me. Right now, many are at a crossroads. They want to still believe that their Ministry or loved ones in that ministry are not doing all this that is being said. They want to look for the "good" in them. We, as Christians, have been dummied down to not report the bad and the corrupt and then when we do we stil think it necessary to build them up and look to the positive of all they are doing. Did Jesus REALLY do that.?? Or did he, leave, and walk away from thousands and go and seek out solitude w/ the Father. He spoke ONLY what the Father told HIM and no more. He taught ONLY what the Father taught and no more. We have been brainwashed and it is time to let go of all things and look unto HIM, and only HIM, until we can see what He is showing us and HEAr what HE is telling us, and then FOLLOW HIM at all costs -- and it costs but it is worth it. It is time that we start acting like true Followers of Christ and not Followers of our "anointed ones" that claim to know Christ. and In that Christ will lead a person as the person's heart is purged and broken. No one want to "hurt" anyone but too many are still trying to protect those that don't need protection but need to be told the truth. Can good people still be led out of these ministries --- YOU BET THEY CAN, and they will Overcome and in time they will understand and Give the Glory always to the Lord and yet have a bitter taste in their mouth , like wormwood extract, so they will remember. They won't hold a grudge, or unforgiveness, but they will not also participate and they will try to warn others -----and that is hard, because that is when rejection comes in and anther learning expereince of knowing what Christ our Lord felt. May God truly open the hearts of those that are willing to look inside and lay down all for HIM, and Fear HIM, not man, but HIM (because it is HE we look up to and do not want to hurt) Thanks for listening and maybe I will write more and a testimony of healing physically and spiritually and the last 7 yrs. of all of this. Praises unto our Lord and May HE be upheld to the HIGHEST !!! Jeremy on "Kundalini in Jerusalem..Babylon alive and well." http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747/page/3#post-47767 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:27:04 +0000 Jeremy 47767@http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/ Varienne, I know that talking about what is wrong with ministries is a very tricky area to get into, but when they are manipulative, have demonic influences and are dangerous, then it is good to do so. It is right to warn people to stay away from such as these ministries, and it is helpful to get others' take on what they have experienced or discerned about ministries that are causing concern. I believe that everyone has spoken of what they have seen or verifiable things said by or about Heidi Baker's ministry. Telling what is true isn't slanderous. It might not be the loving thing to do, if we weren't trying to determine if her ministry is dangerous or not. Then, if we understand that it is dangerous, it is loving to warn others. I've had an aversion for years to Heidi Baker every time I've tried to watch a video of her. Then when I saw her at the conference with my minister friend, I felt sure that she had something demonic influencing her. I can't say otherwise--this was my very strong impression. She behaved like a Christian friend I used to have who was very much aligned with a Jezebel spirit (sorry, for those who don't believe there is such a thing). It would reveal itself very briefly at times in these very adept put downs of people that it wanted to control or neutralize to get out of its way. The way that Heidi Baker put down this minister that she hardly knew (who, by the way, has a quite successful book out about the Jezebel spirit, making him a real target for that spirit), it looked just like the controlling, manipulative, evil Jezebel spirit. With one belittling sentence, because of how much she is held up by people, she was able to neutralize the effectiveness of this man to the whole conference. If he said anything about the Jezebel spirit in general, he was now less likely to be heard. Varienne, my children have suffered because of the horrible apostasy going on in the church, as have I and many I know. A young man wrote in to this site and told of taking his girlfriend to a revival being led by Rodney Howard-Browne's brother. He said that he, just entering into Christianity (he'd made steps, but hadn't fully repented), had found it very disturbing, while his girlfriend had hands laid on her and became totally theirs from that point on. This young man got so confused from what happened, that he has now put Christianity on the shelf. These are dangerous ministries, they destroy people, and prevent those who are just escaping the world from coming through. They are abortionists! There have been very loving people and ministries all through my life that have been bad. There is a church here that buses in low-income people to church each week. They minister to these people. They are among the first to go out and help neighborhoods after storms, helping them clear up debris, cut down limbs, and so on. They have a food pantry, and serve meals to needy people. They have somewhat of a reputation for the good they do. Yet, this is a word of faith church. The pastor got the church by tricking the previous pastor--a long story, but he manipulated the pastor into signing over the church property to his control, and somehow forced the other pastor out. These are dangerous ministries! If people get involved in them, will they be able to become Christians? Will they be deceived and then find out that they are eternally damned? When there are demonic and unholy things blatantly intermingled with that which seems pure and good, I would warn my children to run away from such people, and it seems loving to do the same for anyone, not just my own children, who might consider being a part of them. If we just keep silent about these things, we aren't being faithful, either.