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It is "unwise" to write everything off as "mind control" and "manipulation" now while there is a good deal of that, such an approach is the "empirical" standards of world. There are real and active spiritual things occuring.Thre are very real testimonies of people coming under demonic influence.
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Well this is sad realy. Praying for open and eyes and hearts to deception and to awaken to God's truth.
jimw....I am praying that God will purify the hearts of those who call themselves "christian" in wisconsin.
Why? because of the following verses
Eze 14:3 KJV - Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
Eze 14:4 KJV - Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;
Eze 14:5 KJV - That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.
Eze 14:6 KJV - Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn [yourselves] from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
Eze 14:7 KJV - For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:
Eze 14:8 KJV - And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.
Eze 14:9 KJV - And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
Eze 14:10 KJV - And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh [unto him];
Obviously, there is a HEART PROBLEM in those who call themselves "christian" when they do not recognize the false and even invite the false to come to them in its fullness.
Thank you New Jerusalem and everyone else for your prayers. I am thankful for this web site and for other believers that understand the importance of "Truth" in these last days. Disception is on the increase ... "even the very elect shall be deceived." We must seek and maintain Truth at all costs. Part of the cost to us is a willingness to accept that we all have times that we miss it. We must be willing to humble ourselves, admit that we missed it, and begin living in the Truth. We need each other now and even more so as we see "the Day" approaching.
Good word Jimw
Well folks, Todd Bentley is preaching at Valley Harvest Church in Neenah, WI as I write this. He's part of a conference they have going on. They broadcast live from the church website. I turned on for 1 minute just to see if he was preaching. I heard him say that "gem stones" had appeared there tonight ... I guess this must be like gold dust, etc ... never heard of that. To his credit, he said he gets more excited when the blind see, the deaf hear, and the blame walk than about things like "gem stones." Then he said he was going to pray over the audience so that this "glory" that was on him would get on them and the pastors and people can take it back to their home churches. I quickly turned it off. This all took place in the 1 minute I had it on.
Please continue to pray God's protection over us here in this area. Please also pray that they eyes of everyone here will be opened to the Truth !!!
Jim, thanks for praying for Wisconsin hey?
A fellow cheddar head, and a good one at that!
A few comments to the person who dismissed these activities as being psychological.
Jesus cast our demons, not syndromes or disorders.
Also, to one of the brethren who scorned all those who sought after men like Bentley.
It is untrue that people who are God-seekers have poor hearts toward God.
Many of them have a passionate desire to know God above all else. The devil uses this desire to ensnare them.
The gold dust/ gemstone, sign seekers are a field white unto harvest.
The leaders are mostly demonic powerseeking infidels, and yet I know very many genuine Christians who are drawn into this deception through their hunger for more of God.
I hope you can see them as ripe fields for true Kingdom activity!
The Blind and The Dead - A thorough expose of false preachers. It's an hour long.
GALATIONS 1:8 'But though we, or an ANGEL (EMMA) from heaven, preach any other gospel (prosperity,lasciviousness,doctrines of devils) unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED". (emphasis added for clarity).
TB is 'accursed', believe it. Don't be partakers of that evil.
I too pray that Wisconsin will not be decieved by this Devils' Advocate.
'Kundalini Warning' does have some very good background info on many of the ministers in this circuit of Baal prophets.
Individuals are always known by the company they keep: friends, aquaintances, ministry partners, etc. 'just consider the source/sources. Patricia King considers herself his 'spiritual mother' and Bob Jones is his 'spiritual father' both claim to be his mentors, Bill Johnson/Redding Ca. was his 'major sponsor' during his downtime and eventual restoration. If you visit any of the 'home-websites' of any of the leaders of the 'signs & wonders' movement and check out their: links, ministry partners, and those they recommend & endorse, you will see all the same names repeated and are interchangeable between each other's locations. It's a form of Heretical 'mutual aid' sharing-Blasphemies across the world.
Our very good friends are in Redding as we speak, at Johnson's church.
I pray that these people who love the Lord so much will have the eyes of their understanding enlightened.
I'm afraid words alone simply cannot express the absolute shock and horror that this fiasco has evoked in me - the Todd B saga was the epitome of the total loss of discernment and judgmenet at the highest levels of the mainline churches in America.
You know, there are people who go to these 'outpourings' truly hungry for and seeking God - and do you know what? He finds them! Even in the midst of the travesty that these meetings are, God can still move and respond to those who truly seek Him. The sad thing is that Todd and his ilk then point to these people as the 'success stories' of their 'outpouring' meetings.
This poisonous malignance has spread all the way to South Africa and many are being invited to "Come - get some". The Bible clearly states that the Holy Spirit (Anointing) is not subject to the will of man; yet these false 'revivalists' purport to be able to 'pass on' the 'spirit' from one to another! One can only imagine what spirit is being transferred in these meetings.
One clear indication of people who have fallen under the spell of these so-called 'revivalists' is that they have meetings that go on for many hours, while most of the congregants are 'drunk in the spirit'. The following day they will rave about their meetings and praise their pastor as being the most wonderful person in their lives... *sigh*
Personally, I find the expression 'drunk in the spirit' to be an oxymoron. One should NEVER use the word 'drunk' in the same sentence as the 'Holy Spirit'!
That reminds me - I need to pray for these people even harder!
Years ago Valley Harvest Church had a magic show where sticky gold dust allegedly appeared in a Bible. Now tell me is God going to veil His Word with a blob of gold dust? The spirit of the whole meeting was totally irreverent and boisterous disco music was be played. I just call it what it is 'the occult'!
Hi All, you might be interested in my experience.
A small vision, but one that left a lasting imprint on my soul.
I was attending a meeting at the local Assembly of God.
I had recently moved to this place, and had come from an Assembly of God gathering pastored by a true man of God.
Imagine my shock then, on finding occultic manifestations occurring right throughout this gathering.
Animal sounds, pointing fingers slaying people in the spirit, all of the recognised manifestations that we have been discussing.
I prayed in my spirit, asking the Lord what I should do.
He ( Jesus ) appeared in front of me and held out his hand, taking mine, he pulled me to my feet and led me out of the building.
Through the back wall, the back wall had disappeared and there was an empty space there. He led me out through that.
What did I do?
I left that church and have never been back.
So many modern churches(so called) are dangerous places.
Stay away from them.
If it doesn't fit the scripture, shun it.
Be blessed, and be a blessing...Poppie