1. Sheepkinz
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   John 8:31-32"If you abide in my word , you are my disciples indeed; you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." Jesus did not just say to dwell in his love only, but his truth as well.

   Love alone will not save anyone from Hell but love with the truth will.
   Jesus is the truth and told only the truth and we should as well.
   The love Jesus asks has loyalty it means for us to stand against opposition no matter where it will lead.

   Can love bring unity? If one wants to disregard the truth it
   certainly can! But it is not honored by God, only man.

   When we read Gods love was shed abroad in our hearts this means we have his heart a new nature that cares differently than before. We were born by an incorruptible seed, the word of truth. When people say we should accept everyone to unite even if they do not believe the same, we compromise the truth. It is not true love to do this. Why? Because neither did Jesus or the apostles do this.

   When Jesus publicly condemned the Pharisees calling them whitewashed tombs, dead men's bones, was this unloving ???? Matthew 23

   Without GODS TRUTH there can be No LOVE! What part of this can we not grasp here.... truth or love , we must have both!!!

   We do not use Gods grace or His love without speaking the truth. You do not sweep away lies and place it under the rug and go on. You address it as led of the Holy Ghost. Jesus always brought what was hidden in darkness into the Light. The LIGHT of His very truth.

   Or else we pervert His Love and His grace. So many use and think they can use Gods grace, God mercy and HIS love and speak smooth words and pat people on the back , and say, all is well....

   No, sadly in this world, all is not well. This world is smothered in false doctrines and the teaching of men.
   When someone comes with another gospel you do not embrace the lie of which is spoken. You and I are to righteously speak forth Gods truth. We are called to speak forth Gods truth. Else we are just blind leading the blind straight to hell.

   You can not speak LOVE without Gods TRUTH! Both go together. If people do not speak forth GODS truth, than it is NOT LOVE.

   How many people are tired and sick of the false being embraced , cuddled and patted on the back. While Gods true people, where ever they may be get kicked in the teeth for speaking the truth? Rather sickening isnt it?

   There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOSPEL and it shall remain and stand FOREVER! All other false gospels, liars, deceivers and thieves, and the list goes on will not have there part in the Kingdom of GOD. All other false gospels shall be burned!

   When we say God loves. it does not mean God accepts all no matter what they do or believe. God hates sin. It is contrary to his nature. He CAME AGAINST THE SCRIBES AND THE PHARISEES HARSHLY! JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD
   DID NOT MINCE WORDS, NOR DOES HE.

   God sent His ONLY begotten Son, Jesus Christ into the world, not only to be sacrificed but also to deliver
   a Holy and Righteous Truth. He came to bring truth to mankind as well as to die. But to introduce truth one must be confronted with their falsehood. Many will not receive Gods truth, They will reject it and follow a lie to suit there fleshly way so they can continue in a life leading to utter destruction.

   You and I and all, we have conditions to be met to be found in a new relationship of Jesus's unconditional love. Just as the Good news was delivered to the eunich and to his disciples, it was to those of good will, who were willing to REPENT and receive the message, the good news of the gospel. It is NOT to anyone who continues on the same destructive course. NO! To turn Gods truth into a greasy grace and false love is not in accordance with the true gospel. Preach the truth in season and out of season... again without GODS truth spoken there is and can not be the love of Christ shed abroad in ones heart. Truth remains forever, The lies will one day be gone forever. So many use Christ love, grace and mercy to continue on in there known sins.

   SADLY the view of GODS love has changed drastically. It now means to be tolerant and go the way of least resistance, to avoid any conflict. However, true love is not helping people be accepted and have them continue in falsehood . Gods true people will speak His truth, NO matter the COST, even if it means physically being put to DEATH!
   Gods true people when they know something is a lie, it is truly like a fire shut up in there bones , until they speak forth it will not leave them for the Lord has placed it upon them heavily to speak forth!!!!

   Today everybody is told they have the assurance of going to heaven as long as they are good people, so who needs Jesus! The narrow road is abandoned for the broader path. Tolerance is just another excuse to cover their sin. False teachers and preachers and the like reassures everyone of all religions on their deathbed that, everything will be all right, because God loves you just the way you are, your accepted. This is NOT love according to scripture, but is actually "the lie" for those who refused the love of the truth.

   Can we leave them on their current destructive course that will eventually bring the ultimate destruction on them in the afterlife? Are you willing to do that? I am NOT willing to do that because Christ lives in me and I will speak forth whether people hear of forebear , Christ lives in ME, Christ Jesus!!!
   Love that sacrifices the truth is void of GODS real love. It props itself up as the ultimate caring, but all it is, is tolerance in disguise, a fake substitute. We actually exhibit love to correct someone who has gone off course. We are not showing love by being silent and allowing them to continue . It is love coupled with truth that motivates us to speak out because we care for them. If that is not love, then we have a morbid twist of what Christ love is.

   There is so much garbage spewed out on this forum and it is welcomed to those that have no clue of the truth. Let us begin to stand stand in the holy place of Christ and speak forth to a dying generation full of lies and deception and are sending many to the pits of hell daily. For as it is written sheol/hell is truly enlarging its mouth daily and taking the many.

   We are so careful not to OFFEND our neighbors , friends and family by THE TRUTH, so we can love them. But are we loving God by doing this? Are we really loving them? Are we so unwilling to endure any rejection that we have become ashamed of Gods words! Its better to do what is right in Gods eyes and suffer the consequences from man, then to do what is right in mans eyes and suffer the consequences from God!

   John records later what Jesus said to Nicodemus 3:21"But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." In other words those who seek to know truth will gladly abandon their wrongs and embrace Jesus as savior.

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2. Desi
   Member

   Political correctness has also shaped the system of religion too these last days, the gospel of "tolerance" and "love", that is a flaky dirty kind of love that has nothing to do with Christ.
   Jesus said, "He who is not ashamed of me and of the words I speak, I will not be ashamed of him when I come in my kingdom with my holy angels in power and great glory."
   He who is ashamed of me and the words I speak, I will be ashamed of him when I come in my kingdom.
   The disiple Peter was a real flake when he denied that he knew Jesus then night the pharisees snatched and caught him in the garden. He was standing by the fire and a damsel said that she recognized him and he denied it three times until the cock crew like Jesus said he would. On the day of Pentecost after Peter received the baptism of power, he stood up in front of the whole crowd and told them that the Jesus Christ that they crucified was risen from the dead. The crowd became convicted and asked, "what must we do to be saved".
   That was such a drastic change in his spirit in those two separate incidences.
   I do believe that when a man or woman has the genuine spirit of Christ, they will not be cowardly. They will stand ground.
   We just have to grow to the point in Jesus that we don't care what people think of us and not care that we do not belong to a social religious group or clique because we will not fit in. We only fit in with other members of His body that have that selfsame spirit and gospel of Jesus. It is like iron sharpening iron. For such a small group of remnant believers, they are going to rock the world and turn it upside down in his coming when he is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire. It is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to those who would trouble you.

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3. harvestisripe
   Member

   Love that sacrifices the truth is void of GODS real love.

   We are so careful not to OFFEND our neighbors , friends and family by THE TRUTH, so we can love them. But are we loving God by doing this? Are we really loving them? Are we so unwilling to endure any rejection that we have become ashamed of Gods words! Its better to do what is right in Gods eyes and suffer the consequences from man, then to do what is right in mans eyes and suffer the consequences from God!

   Lynn:
   Sheepkinz - this is the absolute truth what you speak - - Love without the Truth is no love at all.

   You can not seperate the two - to do so is - compromise and leads many astray.

   God Bless You for this truth you stand on.

   I might say though - we are not to get caught up in the sins of another - but is possible we are to try to rescue them from the fire. Jude 1

   In fact Jude 1 bears witness to what you have said here.

   Now it is absolutely necessary in these days of deception that we are able to discern the one whom comes to deceive and destroy Gods kids - many of satans workers on the webb - or the one who might be able to be helped by his deception showing them the light of the truth.
   written in Gods word testing all things and seeking conformation from the Holy Spirit.

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4. 4Jesus
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   If you are filled with agape, which is the love that can only come from God, you will also be walking in agapao, which is the love that will not only receive the truth as it is written in the Word of God, but also will speak it to all, no matter what as well, because of walking themselves in agapao.

   Meaning that one will be walking and talking and doing the same thing Jesus Christ did.

   I did not realize this until NJ brought out the point that agape was a noun, and agapao was a verb in another subject under "Laboring to enter into his rest.

   Meaning that it is the agape coming from the Spirit that causes all of us to walk in agapao toward all others ultimately.

   And your right most people do not understand the subject of agape, that is for sure. Most do not even realize it must come from God in the first place. But also realizing if they have a problem walking in what Mt. 5:44-48, that something is very wrong in their own walk before the Lord as well. Chances are, the problem is that they are not yet born again after all, as they thought they were. As only these are the ones that do have the promises of God

   What I do see regarding this issue, is people becoming unbalanced as you are bringing out on here. But also becoming unbalanced the opposite way, saying that having a love for the truth is all there is to walking in love as well. These ignoring the other fruits they are to be walking in agapao as well written in 1 Cor. 13:4-7. Both sides doing what it speaks of in Pr. 11:1.

   Therefore either way, it says there in that scripture in Proverbs, God hates an uneven balance.

   Additionally, as I see it, those that are walking in agapao, will also receive correction when it is coming from the Lord, after checking out the scriptures concerning that correction in order to get to the truth. But on the other side of the coin, those that are walking in agapao, as a result of being filled with HIS agape, will be speaking the word of God that will bring forth the correction within others, in order to prove what God has said. That is, when we are wrong of course. As IMHO all of us have been most likely taught wrong in some way or another, today. But having patience, and etc. in order to give the other one a chance to seek the Lord about this further at the same time, not beating up on people, because they do not agree with one immediately. As sometimes God takes his time dealing with some about what is right and wrong as well. And of course, praying for others we do see that has a need to see the truth we are sharing, is also a very good idea too. Of course, assuming another is the one that is wrong, and not ourselves. I believe though, that scripture will prove out who is in the end, after studying and rightly dividing of course, about the subject.

   But I found what NJ said very informative to me about how Gods love does work for us once we are filled to overflowing too. Not only in what I have experienced, but also what the Word says about it.

   Love,
   Sandy

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5. Sheepkinz
   Member

   4 Jesus, Im addressing an issue that is of upmost importance. The other fruits bear in those who have the Holy Ghost and are truly being
   led of the Holy Ghost. This topic needs to be addressed and not go into
   all different directions. Im not addressing and getting out there on agape love- and all the differences of this love and that love- simply Gods love and Gods profound truth combined.
   This is what the Lord laid upon my heart.
   Prayerfully it will not become twisted and shredded apart.
   Thank you for sharing, also Desi and Lynn.

   It is a subject to often ignored and can be twisted into the exact thing the Lord despises. There is no such thing in the eyes of the Lord as greasy grace, false mercy and or fake love, not in the Eyes of the LORD. The false teachings of men and the like have warped into
   a messy mush of sloppy mash potatoes and bread mixed with unhealthy ingredients....

   much love in Jesus~

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6. NewJerusalem
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   EXCELLENT TRUTH, 4Jesus!

   You have hit the bullseye...the center of WHY WE WERE CREATED; WHY JESUS DIED FOR ALL; AND WHAT GOD'S ETERNAL PLAN IS; AND WHAT THE PURPOSE OF HIS KINGDOM IS.

   1Jo 4:10 KJV - Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.

   1Jo 4:11 KJV - Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

   1Jo 4:12 KJV - No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

   1Jo 4:16 KJV - And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

   1Jo 4:17 KJV - Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

   1Jo 4:18 KJV - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

   1Jo 4:19 KJV - We love him, because he first loved us.

   1Jo 4:20 KJV - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

   1Jo 4:21 KJV - And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

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7. NewJerusalem
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   DIVINE LOVE IS HOLINESS.

   It is ONLY HOLINESS THAT CAN BE DIVINE LOVE.

   A number of years ago the Lord asked me to do a word study on the word "ALL". After I stopped laughing, I did as I was told. Of course it a was very, very, long study!

   I used Blue Letter Bible and pulled up EVERY VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT HAD "ALL" IN IT.

   If you don't have that much time on your hands....TRY JUST THE NEW TESTAMENT.

   This word study will BLOW AWAY ALL KINDS OF UNBELIEF AND LIES THAT WE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT GOD, HIMSELF.

   The chaff will be separated....blown away.

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8. Tina
   Member

   Love NEVER fails--Love NEVER fails!!!
   God is good and His love never fails.
   It is about relationship, and until we have been endowed to transform someone by the renewing of their mind we only have them comply to a list of rules and regulations to conform to that which we think is right.
   I am not ashamed that He loved me when I did not love Him, and I rejoice that He loved me in spite of my hatred for Him, and that He moved in me to bring forth His love that would cause me to receive His righteousness and quit coming forth with my own which is filthy at best.

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9. Tina
   Member

   N.J.
   You are right--Divine Love is Holiness-- it is the thing that sets Him apart form the beastly way that we behave toward Him and our brothers.

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10. NewJerusalem
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    Bless you Tina for an INCREDIBLE description of AGAPAO LOVE.

    Agapao is Divine Love FLOWING TOWARDS MANKIND "IN SPITE OF THEIR WICKEDNESS AND HATRED".

    Amen Amen Amen. Father, Your AGAPAO LOVE is what TRANSFORMS THE WICKEDNESS IN US TO AGAPAO LOVE FOR YOU.

    I worship You and I am grateful for this magnificent Love of Yours.

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11. Sheepkinz
    Member

    Love that sacrifices the truth is void of GODS real love. It props itself up as the ultimate caring, but all it is, is tolerance in disguise, a fake substitute. We actually exhibit love to correct someone who has gone off course. We are not showing love by being silent and allowing them to continue . It is love coupled with truth that motivates us to speak out because we care for them. If that is not love, then we have a morbid twist of what Christ love .
    Ive seen and watched a people all the day long talk, talk, talk about love, however makes sure its Jesus in you and not your flesh....

    There is a dying generation out there and have followed the wide and broad road.

    In order to have the Love of God in our hearts, is to Know Him and His word. To know His word is to obey it and walk in His truth and His love. To commune with Him day and night. To know His heart and also His griefs and His righteous anger... That means laying down all your preconceived notions of what you think you know and believing what the word of God says and obey the word, Fear Him and keep His commandments. If you came over here to post in a wrong spirit , the Lord knows and will deal with you.

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12. Tina
    Member

    This dying generation is following a list of rules and regulations instead of being introduced to the Master.
    Though outwardly many are changed their heart is not.
    Only He can transform us. He is my righteousness, and I walk in Him. If I mess up, rest assuredly He will correct me.

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13. NewJerusalem
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    Many people struggle with discerning what is THEIR OWN TRUTH or what is GOD'S TRUTH.

    None of us are FULLY LIGHT WITHOUT DARKNESS.

    None of us are FULLY HIM WITHOUT SIN.

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14. Sheepkinz
    Member

    Prayerfully it will not become twisted and shredded apart.

    After I posted this several posts above.. Some of you rushed to do purposely what was asked not too. You did not step back, but several of you came to trample or to attack...I dont think that is Christ like!!!
    I dont need a cheer leading squad as some of you participated in above.

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15. Tina
    Member

    The love JESUS asks has Loyalty! It comes with Opposition!

    This is your title, and yet we remain loyal to Him with what He has given us and are considered attackers???
    Yet you yourself say that it comes with opposition??

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16. Sheepkinz
    Member

    I dont know you or the others accept for Lynn, however I saw the actions take place before my eyes.
    And yes opposition indeed as witnessed here....
    Let us get back to the original post please , thank you~

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17. harvestisripe
    Member

    I think this could all be setteled if we just would look at the fact that - one can not seperate love from the truth - or to build one up - rather than to speak the truth in love -this damages the one you are covering for.

    Paul had the one thrown out that his soul might be saved as the leven was being brought into the church - and his sin accepted within the church.

    It is unacceptable to our Lord to compromise for unity or so as not to deal with one concerning the Truth - for this is not agape love - the Love of God working in us -in fact it is deception and can cause others to stumble.

    Saddly today the church has sacrificed the truth for compromise - this is the point I believe the Holy Spirit has shed on sheepkinz and we are always - in the eyes of God to speak the truth and not give way to compromise.

    That which is not truth is a lie and we as blood bought paid for by the shed blood of Jesus Christ - saints of God - must never tolorate deliberate compromise ofthe truth for a lie.

    I believe it is love for the Lord and the body that caused sheepskinz to address this issue - but saddly the church is so conditioned today that this is no longer acceptable and compromise is the norm so as to keep the peace.

    And it is also love that I speak - so as to encourage us to become seekers of Gods truth and to always speak in the truth that the Holy Spirit speaks to us.

    May all who read here be blessed with Gods truth, and no compromise be found in them.

    Lord - I confess - any and all compromise that be found in me - that you allow your Holy Spirits conviction to overcome me that I may repent - test me Lord - and show me all that is against you - that I may walk that narrow path - in step with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ - Amen.

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