Lynn, words well spoken. As I read this, something came into my mind I had forgotten. Something I heard long ago. Why I am remembering it now I dont know:)
"The desires of our heart can be crooked as cork screws. However when the Holy Ghost blows clean through our heart. Than does the True Love of Jesus shine through the depths of ones heart."
There is something about this that seems like it still needs to be grasped so that we have the mind of Christ on the matter and not our own mind and emotions. For example, even when the Father shares with us of His grief, joy, anger, etc, our experience of it is not necessarily how He experiences it, because His ways are not like our ways, they are HIGHER than ours, and we experience things through our human body, mind, emotions etc, whereas God is spirit.
He is very much in control and sovereign over what happens on this earth and not anguished or wringing His hands or surprised at anything etc - He can raise up sons for Abraham out of stones and make rocks cry out if need be and He holds the hearts of kings in His hands. Grasping this truth of the Father's sovereignty helped me to realize that He doesn't need me to police His kingdom, so for example when Christ rebuked the Pharisees I don't see that as coming from His own flesh and emotion but of the Spirit, and that Jesus himself was at rest. He only spoke the words of His Father.
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Truth will be true to His ways and character, it will be of His spirit in other words. We know that truth is something more than mere facts because even if the facts are correct but the spirit is wrong then we will have missed the mark. In other words genuine truth is from the Tree of Life and not the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Tina: what you wrote about how God loved you even when you hated Him moved me so deeply. It brought me to remembering how I was searching for Him (as a good little Catholic girl) and searching for Him and at just the right time he picked me up and showed me how much He really loves me. Praise His name forever and ever.
Sheepkinz: You have the true heart of a prophet, thank you for this post. It came at just the right time. This morning I was reading something a friend had posted on fb. My friend has gotten into the "new mystics" and "tokin the Holy Ghost" just to give you a backround. Here is what this person posted:
"the word "wrath" is the Greek word orge, desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind) strong passion, many times it is seen as a violent rage, but can also be seen as God's constant yearning for man to discover his embrace and the life of their design, which is to be found no where else but in Christ...(Mirror Reflection)"
I thought after I read that "now they are changing the word "wrath" into some oprah-esque, new agey thing, God wants you to find your "inner-child" thing. At least they threw in His Name at an attempt at authenticity.
After doing a word search I found the quote to be in the very least misleading. Had the potential do harm to one not as mature in His Word. I posted my thoughts and asked her to please provide scripture where the word "wrath" is used by God for us to "discover his embrace and the life of their design". Haven't got a response yet and I will not respond back.
Anyway, the fear of man (what she might write back) settled in and I doubted my actions. Then I read your first post on this thread. It calmed me down as only the Word can.
As far as the loyalty goes you are right there also, IMHO. Once I was in prayer and I prayed these words and after I spoke them I realized what I prayed and a big smile lit my face. I said, "keep me only unto You as long as I shall live"...after I said it I realized it was a vow. It was very special. Anyhow, I may be wrong or overstepping but the way I look at it is this, if someone were to criticize my earthly husband, who I love dearly, I would be all over it like a duck on a junebug. Or I would just weep that someone could say or do or twist or impune my husband's good name. Because I know how wonderful and truthful my husband is.
Anyhow, just my thoughts.
Thanks again for the post.
God Bless you all!
After I posted the above the Lord also reminded me of the time Peter, in his love and zeal for the Lord, cut off the ear of the soldier who came to arrest Jesus. So, we need to make sure the battle we fight on His behald is one He has given us. As mum said, His ways are higher than our ways.
God Bless!
On the Cross, Jesus experienced the FULL WRATH OF GOD UPON ALL THE SINS OF CREATION, past, present, and future.
No man/woman will experience the same FULL WRATH OF GOD as Jesus did.
We receive the wrath of God for only our own sins....Jesus did for ALL MANKIND FOREVER CREATED.
I am writing to show the comparison of what GOD'S FULL WRATH UPON JESUS FOR ALL SINS OF CREATION looks like to what Mankind's teaching of the wrath of God upon each person.
You must admit that mankind has EXAGGERATED THE WRATH OF GOD upon the individual.
NJ that is exactly what I wrote in my post back to my friend! Thank you for confirming that.
God Bless you!
sheepkinz,
Your words are Truth!
It is so ironic that the same Paul who wrote
"Love Never Fails" under the inspiration of God
is also the same one who wrote
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
ALSO under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Same letter to the Corinthians.
Many "experts on love" would have you believe that
old Paul, "so full of rules and regulations and doctrines," did not really know what
"Love that Never Fails" was comprised of.
sheepkinz, your name took me aback at first, as I was reading it as "SHEEP SKINS".
There are clearly those hovering about in sheep skins,
hoping to confuse and unsettle the sheep.
I am glad to read that you are not one of them!I have really been enjoying your posts!
But everyone be watchful for those ravening wolves
avoice you have just described Mankind's idea of Love.
Jesus was accused by the Pharisees for doing what Paul told us NOT TO DO.
How do you rationalize that?
I do not need to rationalize it.
The Holy Spirit wrote it.
It is only my job to obey it.
Is it your point of view that Paul did NOT write that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Most definitely Paul wrote it under the anointing.
I am asking you personally how are you going to obey what Paul said "AND" FOLLOW JESUS' EXAMPLE OF NOT REJECTING OR PHYSICALLY SEPARATING yourself from those who Paul was talking about?
Sheepkinz you are right on the mark! Twist the truth whichever way you like - you can dress the old girl up but you can't take her out! Thank you for that good word and God Bless.
NJ,
Paul's words were written to the church.
He did not say to seperate ourselves from unbelievers,
as we would have to be removed from the world.
Jesus hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors, and all manner of "sinners" who were not members of the Church.
If we have people who fall under these above mentioned categories in the church,
we are to follow the directives of going to the brother, giving them time to repent, then escalating the proceedings (in the case of non-repentance) up to the point of removing them from fellowship with the church.
This act is done so that they may be ASHAMED, and so that others will see it and FEAR.
They are also handed over to satan for the destruction of their flesh, so that their souls may be saved in the day of judgement.
Jesus did not break the directives of the Holy Spirit as written by Paul.
Thank you avoice, for His Truth.
The destruction of the flesh/sin nature/soul (all one and the same) is what we ALL should be DESIRING from the Lord.
THAT IS AGAPAO LOVE FOR OUR LORD AND OUR BRETHREN AND THE UNBELIEVERS STILL IN THE WORLD/KINGDOM OF DARKNESS.
Mum said,
There is something about this that seems like it still needs to be grasped so that we have the mind of Christ on the matter and not our own mind and emotions. For example, even when the Father shares with us of His grief, joy, anger, etc, our experience of it is not necessarily how He experiences it, because His ways are not like our ways, they are HIGHER than ours, and we experience things through our human body, mind, emotions etc, whereas God is spirit.
Mum, you brought up a very good point, very. His ways are not like ours and most of us know this to be true. You talked about Jesus when he was angry , it came from the Holy Spirit not his flesh. As I read your post earlier today, I was reminded of scripture about when Jesus overturned the money changers tables. I had to ponder awhile because Jesus came in the flesh. Im not so sure he was at rest when he did that! He was righteously angered. Did he feel the Fathers anger? I dont know.
I can not speak for anyone else but from my own walk and relationship with the Lord. Words He spoke to me back in 2006 will remain forever embedded because when He calls me to fast I obey immediately. A lessen I learned.
One day the Holy Spirit spoke forth and told me I was called to fast.
Later that evening I thought maybe I was wrong in what I heard. So I ate.
I woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. While in the bathroom. This was spoken forth. " I called you to fast, NOW saith the Lord I will shut down your organs and cause you to fast.
I repented immediately. Went back to bed.
The next morning I tried to eat. It would not go down, therefore I spit it out in the trash.
7 days went by as the Lord had called me to do something concerning false prophets and diviners and chanters and the like.
which Im not going to go into. Its done, over.
This 7th day I asked the Lord if I could eat yet?
Later the Holy Spirit responded as I will never forget this whole thing, ever. This was spoken forth as I walked down my long hallway in another place I had lived: "Not yet my daughter, for I do not need your flesh to get in the way of the good work I am doing saith the Lord."
The 12th day I knew I was done and finally was lifted off for me to eat. I could not just tear into food. I had to start out with oatmeal and toast for several days and work from there.
The reason I am sharing is this is because Im going somewhere with this at the Lords reminding me today while thinking. When the Lord wants to do something in His servants.
(Look the flesh likes to rear its ugly head, thats a fact.)
However when the flesh is not fed food and filled with much food. You become more sensitive to the Holy Spirit and the rising up of the Holy Spirit within you. The flesh is now become under the leading of Holy Spirit and flesh subjects to the Holy Spirit.
So when we talk about emotions as you mum brought up. If you are being led of the flesh you will react in an emotional and fleshly way.
when the Holy Ghost is leading and guiding and in control and flesh has submitted to the Holy Ghost , you react under the leading of the Holy Ghost.
There is a righteous anger that can be felt, not as intense as the Lord would be, no. There is a weeping in the Spirit- we call it grieving or weeping in the Spirit- it is a type of intercession, yes.
The Holy Spirit has emotions and Gods people feel those, What He allows us to feel. The Lord doesnt need policing His kingdom as you called it mum. He doesnt need any of us. However He chose us and He called us and He requires us to obey. If He calls you or I to go a room full of diviners are you gonna go or r u gonna say no way? If He calls you to go forth to someone you know and speak forth that which He has spoken forth in your ear , are you going to go or bow out? Will you go forth to a den of thieves and speak all that the Lord calls you to speak? Family, friend , a stranger?
The Love of Jesus is also loyalty to Him above all else. It is opposition to those that oppose Gods truth. It is opposition to those who pervert the gospel. It is opposition to those who wish to keep on in their false doctrines and false beliefs. Look, we dont live in a environment of a friendly and or loving world. Many are called , few chosen, why?
Jesus said if they hated me , they will hate you and it is truth.
To be a friend of the Lords is enimity with the world. No doubt on that one.
We can rationalize all the day long about this and about that. To me the only thing that matters is His will be done in this earth. People can hate me all the day long that wont change me. People can despise me and any other person who comes along and stands up not in the flesh but prayerfully in the Holy Ghost and speaks forth truth as led of the LORD.
For almost a year I was not on any forums. The Lord took me in and cut off things and removed things that were not of Him. When He called me off forums I thought well thats a rap. Guess its over, just simply over. I felt lost and I didnt know what to do with myself. He lovingly pulled me and drew me closer and closer and I praise my God for the good work He is doing in me. I cant do it but He most assuredly has, will and continues too daily.
This question came to me earlier, so I ask it sincerely now.
When was the last time any of you were cut off from forums, people and got closed up with Him. I ask you when was the last time you took time out for you and Jesus to know Him and to sit as His feet and to learn His ways and to commune?
Loyalty- do I have it , I dont know, am I faithful with the little?
I pray so and if not Lord make me to be so.
Im not perfect by no means but my heart is to be that of a servant and it is my hearts prayer that everyone one of us heres hearts desires are to be that. A deep passion and desire to know our Lord and Savior.
Funny, the more you think you know, the more you realize you dont know much and need the Lord constantly teaching you and I of His ways.
We may be nobodys to people but Praise be to God we are somebodys in Jesus eyes....I am my beloved's and He is mine....
We may be filthy rags but the Lord sure can and will clean us all up and make us whiter than wool.
Several weeks ago I was given an open vision. I was in a chamber/ a closet like room. I looked down and I was wearing my wedding dress. Than this was spoken forth:. I am calling MY bride to come forth from out of her chambers. I believe that is not just for me but for you who TRULY are His bride and those that have been so tucked away with Him and sitting at the very feet of Jesus learning, listening and communing with HIM.
I enjoyed reading your posts and avoice its okay I been called sheepskin before, lol... The Lord gave me that name a few years back when I was praying for a username. When I see the words it reminds me of a baby sheep. yea:)
Gramma said lol
"you can dress the old girl up but you can't take her out! ",
I really gotta thank you, because I was walking around the house laughing. I dont know that I have ever heard that before, but that was hilarious and for me, a good belly laugh.
fixed typos and off to bed I go, The Lord bless you and the Lord Keep you!
Sheepkinz you said “the love of Jesus is also loyalty to Him above all else.” Yes it is the faithfulness of His Bride Amen.
LOL that you had a LOL - God Bless and sleep tight.
sheepkinz
Great post. Can really relate as i get older i just seem so much dumber which is good as i have learned to seek the LORD instead of just thinking i know how to accomplish it my self.
In Christ grey