1. Intercessor
   Member

   Jeremy, you said: 'Hope remains, though, because we don't know people's hearts unless God shows them to us.

   From Jude, there are the verses:

   1:20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
   22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;[d] 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,[e] hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

   These that may be saved may include the leaders who may not yet be beyond repentance. The verses before this give very good advice: if we seek God, follow His teachings, depend on His mercy, keep in His love, and pray in the Holy Spirit, the Lord can lead us to pray for leaders who aren't beyond hope.'

   Amen! :)

   We were posting at the same time :)

   Posted 7 months ago #

2. Jeremy
   Member

   Varienne, I guess that I don't see that we are disagreeing. That is why I have been trying to express this to you. It seems that you see me as not having love or caring about the pastors. I tell you that that is not the case, but you seem to still think that it is.

   As far as I can see, I am on your page more than you realize, but the problem is that you DON'T realize it.

   I have not given up on them (they may or may not be reprobate), and I desire that they all repent. I never expressed that there is no hope for them or that I don't wish for their repentance.

   I don't know what you are looking for from us to make you feel that we have as much love as you think we should.

   On that lack of understanding, I am fine with dropping this. I am not agreeing to disagree, as I don't see that God is showing me I have been unloving toward them.

   Posted 7 months ago #

3. Intercessor
   Member

   I've been itching all day to get back here!

   This morning the Lord showed me that He has ones He wants to lead to this forum. And He will, by His great marketing skills :)

   In 1999 a singer named Cliff Richard released the Lord's prayer to music, and called it The Millenium Prayer. Every radio station (apart from the one christian one) banned it from their playlists. The high street shops didn't stock it. But it STILL made the christmas number 1 hit song! \o/ God took the millenium, even through that! :D

   Anyway, that is what I mean by our Lord's remarkable marketing skills.

   There are leaders who are falling, and some who are going to fall, and while we are still able to communicate over the internet, He wants to market this forum and lead them here to read...

   Will they find safety? Will they feel challenged in love and find an answer?

   The Lord can't use us in this way until they would.

   Love Varienne

   Posted 7 months ago #

4. Jeremy
   Member

   My last post was in answer to the next to last one from you. I was typing it and considering it when you posted your last one.

   I don't know where this stands now. I hope that you understand we didn't state on the other thread that there is no hope for them. We have tried to express this several times, so I hope that you feel comfortable now.

   Posted 7 months ago #

5. Intercessor
   Member

   Dear Jeremy,

   Don't know if you saw my post before yours? It was just about all your post haha. By your post, I can see that we aren't in disagreement.

   God bless you dear sister x

   Love Varienne

   Posted 7 months ago #

6. Jeremy
   Member

   This was in answer to the post about some of the deceived leaders possibly coming to this site.

   However, it's fine to just drop this, so I've erased my answer.

   Love to you, Varienne!

   Posted 7 months ago #

7. Intercessor
   Member

   Dear Kelly,

   This morning I was praying for you to be encouraged in your overcrowded place. An illustration came to mind I was told some years ago, about a potter and some clay. It was that the potter forms a vessel, then places it into the fire. After a while, he takes it out and taps it. He keeps putting it back in and taking it back out and taps it, until it makes a ringing, singing sound. He then puts it back into the fire until it starts singing in the fire.

   I found myself praying that you would surrender your son moving out - and if it be God's will, for Him to do it, making your burden easy and your yoke light. I prayed for you, that you would be free in choosing that even if your son stays with you for the rest of your life, that you will praise Him.

   I see you as a bird in a cage, and even though you can't fly freely, you can sing, which blesses your Father's heart so much. He says "If you worship Me, worship Me, worship Me with all of your heart, then you will walk in the joy that I have put within your heart."

   Love Varienne

   Posted 7 months ago #

8. kwilke7432
   Member

   Thank you very much Varienne.
   I do want my son to move out and have given it over to God. When an adult son comes back home, there is suddenly two heads of the house and it is just not working. Both my wife and I have come very close to kicking him out but know that it would be wrong to through him out in the street when he is disabled.
   Thank you,
   Kelly W.

   Posted 7 months ago #

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