1. thomas.watkins
   Inactive

   I must be careful not to generalize...but I have been amazed at the scope of the invasion of the "emergent" anti-Christ doctrines here, and their associations with the cultic "prophets" of the Elijah list, IHOP, and the like. I'm writing from Jerusalem, and here, I have seen this wave unopposed, and accepted, as REVIVAL!

   Jesus called Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt, in reference to the two witnesses. It is a focus of attack here, upon the church, and in a way, it seems the Israeli Church is on the front lines.

   It is mixture; which is the modus-operandi of Babylon. It seems that there is the Spirit of Jesus honored...but it proves sensual, "blessing" oriented, and baptised in experience ordered faith. When opposed by the Word, or exposed as evil, it retaliates...rather than reasons. This is discouraging to me.

   "KIM CLEMENT IS IN TOWN, ISN'T IT WONDERFUL?"? The town is Jerusalem. I wish I was joking...but I would say that this is the most prominent movements..[ the false revival IHOP Toronto Kundalini..] I have seen it and it grieves me, to say the least. I did confront it, and people, in love, and my hands are clean. I warned them that this may kill them if they continue, for it is a lying false Gospel.

   Heidi Baker was brought up as the great lady Apostle of Africa...and frankly, I don't know much about her...except How? How could one associate and love these liars as she does, and not agree with them...and they are murderers.

   "How can two walk together if they are not in agreement?"

   Any direct info. on her may be helpful for one lady I have met....but it could be too late for her....I'll try though to reason with her. Any info. appreciated...Tom...[ PS ]...still sick...prayer appreciated..agape to you all who love Him...Me too!

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2. harvestisripe
   Member

   Yes Tom they had Bickle and Lou Engle over there around a couple years ago - and I do want to encourage you for it was the - YOUTH - there that said they discerned this was not from God and they were very voiceterous to stand up againt it and to speak out against all this - while it was going on - this took place it seems around the timing of the Lakeland Revival - ha! or there abouts.

   Somehow this may have been the first - CALL - in Jerusalem
   Will try to see is I can find anything about what happened there.

   I am saddened to see this has infected some there - Kim Clement is a huge false Prophet and a very dangerous one.

   Heidi Baker is of the Toranto group.

   I will pray God give you favor and open doors to reach some with his truth - G-d is so HOLY - it is his Holiness the Jews were always so adimate about - what you are seeing there is - FAR FROM HOLY - and is not of God - and rejects his Holiness and true character - replaces his Holiness - with Abominations straight from the devil himself.

   It takes mans eyes off of the Lord Jesus Christ and puts them fully on the flesh and sensations of man - and clearly reduces Almighty God - to a little god without power in the eyes of mmany - that they have to replace Gods Glory his Holiness with satanic manifestations.

   God bless, lynn

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. Ephesians
   Member

   Is all this a forerunner with the setting up of the 'abomination of desolation'. The devil has gone so far as to set himself up in the 'temple' of peoples bodies in counterfeit false revival! Is there a correlation? Look at scripture...

   2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV / Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

   Matthew 24:15 KJV / When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. harvestisripe
   Member

   Ephesians - The Abomination of Desolation Jesus Daniel and Paul speak of is when the antichrist/man of sin/ man of lawlessnes/little horn - all the same one - sets himself up to be God - Blasphemies God and even has a statue made of himself to be worshiped and claims to be God.
   He has always wanted to be God.

   The whole earth will follow after him as God - ALL - those except those whos names are written in the lambs Book of life is what the scriptures tell us.

   We are said to be the Temple of God with Jesus Christ who endwells us as well as the Holy Spirit - Jesus and the Holy Spirit can not and will not co-habit a saint of God with satan.

   God Bless, lynn

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. Anonymous
   Unregistered

   Dear brother Tom,

   Judge Heidi for yourself. This is one of her most recent messages wherein she states her position over these 'apostles/prophets':

   Radical love equals radical obedience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8_GXfFqY3k

   To me, the fruit in her and Roland's life speaks for itself.

   Love Varienne

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. Jeremy
   Member

   I admire the work that she and her husband have done with orphans. However, whenever I watch videos of her, I have an aversion and I can't watch the whole thing. I believe her affiliation with all the New Age/Christian movement and her involuntary jerks and expressions help to identify why there's this response.

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. Anonymous
   Unregistered

   Todd Bentley goes off and divorces his wife... Heidi Baker goes off and feeds the hungry children in Africa. Who's doing the will of God here?

   We will know them by their fruit.

   If you watch from 37:00 onwards in the above video, that is where she states her position on those guys.

   Let's not strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. harvestisripe
   Member

   Feeding starving children I do not believe is always a sign of a born again spirit filled christian.

   The Catholic Church is one of the very best in compassion for the poor and hungry - Mother Teresa is one whom ministered to the starving and poor - Many of our demonized mega churches feed the poor.

   Perhaps they operate in human love and compassion - but this does not makes them saved.

   Heidi is often a speaker at Toronto and you can see spirits -that are not the Holy Spirit - that manifest in many whom are part of Toronto.

   Todd Bently has feed many a hungry child in Africa much of his ministry was in Africa.

   Note: given in love, Lynn

   Posted 1 year ago #

9. Anonymous
   Unregistered

   Lynn, I know you post in love :)

   You're right, many religious establishments and individuals give to the poor and feed the hungry. I didn't know that about Todd - but then it's typical for any big business to get involved with a 'charity face' hey.

   Heidi and Roland have gone a step beyond that though... They take all the children on, i.e. have adopted thousands.

   I suppose I just witness in my spirit that her love for Jesus is real. Her devotion to God is something you don't see in Todd Bentley & co. Her joy whilst living with sometimes being stoned, beaten up, etc, is real.

   I don't want to speak for Andrew S (and maybe he could say if this is true or not), but I bet he would consider it, if Toronto asked him to preach there... I wish they would! Thank God Heidi does!

   Love Varienne

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10. avoice
    Member

    Varienne,
    I was intorduced to Heidi at a ladies'onference we used to attend with our old church in Hot Springs Arkansas, held by Hettie Lu Brooks.
    We listened to a cd called the Visitation with Jill Austin
    ( who has since died), another Hispanic Lady, and Heidi Baker.
    It was just like being on an acid trip, this Visitation. It was here that Heidi Baker or Jill Austin were telling of rooms where there were new body parts just hanging around, waiting to be given to people.
    I used to think Heidi and Roland were awesome, but no more.
    I have to go get my son, I will tell you about her anger she revealed in the movie Finger of God, okay??
    I got to go get sonny boy, peace to you!!

    Posted 1 year ago #

11. harvestisripe
    Member

    Tom here is a Video of - "THE CALL" - in Jerusalem.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50fCl9Kjv1Y · Cached page

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12. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    Okay. I've found it on youtube so will check it out in the meantime. But haven't we all experienced anger?

    Body parts in heaven? That sounds like Roberts Liardon's trip to heaven he had when he was a young boy.

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13. avoice
    Member

    no, I agree that we've all been angry, but let me tell you the circumstances of this "cherubic" lady getting angry.
    She was with a Romanian minister (I think they were in Romania) and the minister was speaking to a woman and telling her about Jesus, trying to tell her she needed to accept Jesus, and Heidi got mad b/c the woman was a Muslim and she didn't think the minister was right to tell the woman the name of Jesus. Heidi was calling God "Allah" so as to "better relate " to this woman.
    We used to be on the edge of the prophetic movement. My husband's business partner has a prophetic church, and our former very close friends are very much into IHOP and Steve and Kathy Gray's church in Kansas City.
    Even these friends could not handle the Heidi Baker Visitation cd.
    When we first heard it at Hettie Lu's, Hettie said her assistant wanted her to listen to it and she first said "NoNO, that's New Age stuff" but later, she relented and listened and thought it was good, so she exposed over 1500 women to it.
    I had been coughing for months around the time of the Fall Hettie Lu, and nearly had pneumonia. Therefore, I was taking Nyquil capsules in large doses so that I could even sit in the conference without having coughing fits, so I was half loopy from Nyquil. The Visitation was just like being on an acid trip, and trust me, I've been on a bunch.
    However, Hettie Lu became enamoured with Heidi Baker, and my pastors wife literally idolizes Hettie Lu, so now my former church supports Heidi's Iris Ministries. The youtube video you showed of her, she was manifesting those Kundalini jerks and spasms on that video.
    I just opened my Bible to a passage about judging a tree by its fruits, and that a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. You have said Heidi must be good because her fruit is good. But what if God says that Heidi's fruit, while appearing to be good, is actually bad, b/c she is following false doctrines of devils?

    Posted 1 year ago #

14. Andrew
    Key Master

    Heidi is lovely to the orphans.

    But she is terribly "off" spiritually and infecting the Body of Christ with it. The videos of her show it clearly.

    So sad to hear that the "false revival" is so huge in Israel while that whole nation is still lost in darkness and needs the true gospel.

    God bless!

    Andrew

    Posted 1 year ago #

15. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    Dear Lisa,

    I have just finished watching 'Finger of God'. Where is the anger? There is none. Only the opposite - the unconditional love of God.

    I love what she said: "I just want to say to the Western Church... that God is asking you to stop for one person every day, and love them. Don't complicate the gospel. The gospel's all about love. It's good news. It's about being in love with God and loving the one in front of you. Keep it simple."

    Love Varienne

    Posted 1 year ago #

16. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    Dear Andrew,

    You said Heidi is 'terribly "off" spiritually'.

    Please tell me how?

    Love Varienne

    Posted 1 year ago #

17. Andrew
    Key Master

    She is a huge promoter of the stuff you see in these videos that we made. She is totally a big part of it. Watch them below-

    http://www.youtube.com/user/JohnTheBaptistTV

    Posted 1 year ago #

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