Lisa, Heidi does not call God 'Allah' in 'Finger of God' either.
Lisa, Heidi does not call God 'Allah' in 'Finger of God' either.
Did you see the scene I was describing? If it is not in that movie, it is in the sequel, Relentless Love (I think its the name of it, its by the same Darren dude).
Even when we thought Heidi was great and the movie was awesome, (believe me, we spread that false gospel to way too many people) when I saw the scene where Heidi got mad at the preacher and where she called God "Allah, " I did not feel peace about it, and I was a huge fan of her at the time.
Did you not see all the gold dust and jewels in that movie?
Did you not see Heidi jerking her body in that video you posted?
Just as the "no fear" doctrine is a terrible perversion of Truth, so is this all encompassing love doctrine that Heidi and her cronies espouse.
It is a perversion of the Truth of God's Love and it allows sin to thrive in the church.
The second movie is called Furious Love, but I am pretty sure the scene with Heidi and a Romanian ( ??) minister trying to minister to a Muslim woman who needed healing was in Finger of God, and yes, Heidi did call God Allah when she was trying to interupt the minister who was telling the woman she needed Jesus and Heidi was angry and interupted the minister and called God Allah and then she explained that the woman needed only to be healed, then she would come to know God.
They might have been ministering to gypsies in the scene.
Andrew and Lisa,
I'm saddened you feel this way.
How can Satan cast out Satan?
I didn't see Heidi in your video Andrew. She doesn't promote anyone or anything apart from God's heart in love. I thank God that the unlovely displayed in your shocking video are still loved, even through her.
She is allied closely with the entire "Toronto Blessing" crowd and transfers the "jerking" anointing to thousands around the world.
Sorry - but being "loving" in that oozy way does not make up for her outright deception.
God bless you!
Andrew, have you got a clip showing her transferring the 'jerking' anointing?
Amd we'll just have to agree to disagree on that the anointed love that flows through her is 'mush'.
I finally bought a copy of Kundalini Spirit by Andrew...now I just have to find time to read it! But already, with what little I do know, I've had the unpleasant task of telling someone who thought they had the baptism of the Holy Spirit...that it was the wrong spirit. It was a kundalini spirit.
I watched it again, and she tells the woman to look in the Koran, she tries to keep the translator from telling the woman about Jesus, she agrees with the woman when she says Allah and I believe she says "Yes Allah", but it may have been the woman herself saying it.
If you did not feel uneasy about this video clip, or the video of her jerking her head about as she talked, then I just don't know what to say.
How can a Christian not be concerned about her trying prevent the man from doing what he was commanded to do, preach the gospel?
Healing in any other name than Jesus is not the gospel.
Witch doctors and voodoo practioners can heal.
And though Heidi very much controlled her frustration, this film clip is the only time I have ever seen her angry and frustrated, and it was because someone was trying to convert a sinner.
The narrator then describes the man telling the woman about Jesus as "Having a religous agenda."
As I said, the entire scenes disturbed me, even when I was a great Heidi Baker fan.
Don't be sorry that it disturbs me.
Heidi Baker runs in the same pack as the gold dusters, the demonized howlers and the Kundalini shakers.
Bad Companions spoil good manners, and she is one of the biggest promoters of the false signs and Kundalini spirit.
In the video you first posted, she is jerking like she has Tourettes.
Tom Watkins, I think what you are speaking of is the thorns and thistles that sprang up when the rain fell. (Heb.6:7,8) As God knew this would happen in His wisdom - maybe He wants to make a spectacle of that too and show His supremacy, I don't know. But in the spirit I saw Israelis who were dry, emptied and humble vessels, and ready to receive of what you are carrying.
I normally do not jump in and post what I know, but because you are not "seeing" w/ the spiritual eyes of the Lord, in this matter, (I am not referring to ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT of Heidi Baker) I have to ask if you have personally been in a seminar/or conference of hers.?
I have. And yes, you are correct, she has such love for Christians and also has a magneticism that just oozes that love--- but it is a spirit of darkness also. I have been to several of her conferences. And she has done a dance, and after I completely had my eyes opened from the Lord, I could see it. The dance was a seductive dance , by herself at first, but one that was truly lustful and yet, it is excepted in the Patricia King and all those, Bill Johnson, Keith Miller and others that are involved from that whole group of people.
The conferences I had been to were in Texas and she would first come on and give her adoring loving remarks and video of showing all the poor orphans and everything she does there. And it is commendable. She tells you how she sold her Malibu home and started living on the streets and did as the street/homeless people did, including drugs and everything else. Then came a time that she was sent to where she is now. She gives you this whole story and I am sure it is true, but it is mixture and no word of the Lord Jesus Christ and the bible. She talks about how she has faced AK47's and the army of the Lord killed the people for her and many stories. She and David Hogan and Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley, Steve Hill and many others are included in this group.
Then everyone is so souped up that they then pass the money tray and I mean everyone pours money into this TRAYS. To the point that people were giving rings, diamonds, their shoes off their feet, and their clothes and laying them on the stage. Then everyone started dancing these dances and she led and then she asks you who wants to trade in their old rags for a brown robe. The brown robe signifies being poor and giving yourself to the poor and of coarse that comes w/ an envelope to give a monthly donation.
Later , much later, I found out she was staying at one of the top hotels in Houston and it was a suite and the nicest place to be for a week. The cost was several hundred dollars a night. She has done this in many states and so do many others.
She does do the trance dancing that Jill Austin did and also does lay hands on those that "want the touch". I received the dvd from one of these conferences and it was to be the "unedited version" and all of this was edited out of it. The same thing happens in Benny Hinn dvd's and other ones. The offerings and speeches for the offerings and tithes are not included in these videos.
I also want to comment from another thread, - Joan Hunter of Hunter Ministries, that also is the daughter of the late Charles and Francis Hunter --- does the "arms and legs" in a backpack. She spoke during the Lakeland ordeal and her ministy started going really new age after that. She told the audiance that "I am seeing in the spirit, and this doesn't happen all the time, but I want you to know the Lord has told me He was sending His angels here tonight, and these angels have backpacks on their backside and they will be giving out body parts , including new hearts to those that need them". -----------------
She has used this schtic several times and it is more than just sad and blaphamy unto the Lord. She has teamed up, as has Heidi Baker w/ John Crowder and Patricia King and all of the above and James Goll and C. Jacobs and others (they all come and go in and out of this circuit as guest speakers) John Crowder is known for his "Token the Ghost" and smoking "baby Jesus"
If Heidi Baker were innocent -----she would not be involved in any of this. It is called using the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit , for personal gain and people are literally in a form of a trance from the dancing and the errotic music that is contemplative music to set the pace, and the mood. And yes, it is the Kundalini Spirit which is the same thing as the Serpant spirit and one truly has to renounce, rebuke, repent and be freed from it by the Power of the Lord.
Now, if you still want to believe the other story, you are free to do so, and you will have to search your heart and go to the Lord and allow HIM to open your eyes to HIS TRUTH.
God wants to set people free from this stuff, but one has to be so willing to put aside their beliefs and their teachings and completely let go of everything they have learned from these groups or from viewing things and allow nothing but the Power of the True Lord teach them through His Holy Spirit.
I hope everything I have said, will help those that are toying w/ these groups or their thinking.
Another piece of the puzzle about Heidi Baker is that she "soaks" several hours a day, according to the following ad for a Soaking Conference at the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship at which she was one of the speakers.
Soaking In God's Glory
October 31 - November 3, 2007
“...At this annual 4-day conference we slow down and get back to our first love. The speakers are people who are long term soakers. Heidi Baker soaks for several hours a day and ministers in an amazing anointing where the deaf are hearing, the blind see and the lame walk.”
I saw her on the internet at a conference where a minister friend of mine was also a speaker. He has a powerful gift of the word of knowledge and healing. He has had to confront pastors of churches where he was a guest minister about sins the Lord revealed to him.
At Heidi's evening session, she made a pointed comment about this minister that put him in a bad light, as one who didn't trust God. It was very odd and her reason for the comment did not at all warrant what she said. It seemed like a spiritual attack.
This is the danger of this mixture of spirits. If there weren't so many good things mixed in with the influence of evil spirits, there wouldn't be the strong appeal to these things.
For those that do not know what SOAKING IS -------well it isn't a bubble bath or a Hot Tub.
It is a group of people that are open to listening to music. Usually the music is like an Open Heaven and many so called Christian artists are doing these. One has to be extremely careful. Once again you have your main players. Patricia King, Heidi Baker, Cindy Jacobs, Chuck Pierce, Joanne MCFatter(is one that does the soaking music cd's) also many others. They take trips to the 3rd heaven etc.etc.etc.
One listens to this hypnotic music, and truly you can be fooled. I got involved for a VERY SHORT time in this. Actually I was innocent in the whole mess because my heart was truly focused on the Lord, and I was taught by HIM that this was not HIS PLACE! One focuses on the "music" the words of the music, yearning to go to the places in this music or being part of it. Everyone then is asked to speak of what they "sensed" during their time of soaking. Everyone sees colors to the "Lord speaking to them " and even had several laying on a sofa or bed w/ him as He gave them grapes. And they believed it was the true Jesus Christ.
These are not wet behind the ear Christians. Matter of fact, many of them are senior citizens and older adults that truly did love the Lord for years, know the word of God and can recite the verses, and pray very good prayers.
One is fooled when they first attend one of these because the Christians are so loving , so warm, want to know so much about you and help you and care and even invite you to their family functions. You become a part of their "group" UNTIL you start going against them and then they become your worst night mare.
There have been soaking groups that howl at the moon, bark, and literally have "no talking" signs posted during the soaking period. You meditate on the words. (form of contemplative prayer) yet, for one that does not know better, the atmosphere is one of a Christian loving and even a little bible reading and there have been times of even "washing of the feet" and taking communion as people lay hands on you. Some shake and jerk, some weep, some laugh and roll all over and some just keep their eyes closed.
It has been a big thing in the USA. And continues to go around the world and Sid Roth has people do this on his show and then he just blends in w/ them and eggs them on and participates w/ them. All of these groups, the Dominionists, the P.Kings, the Heidi Bakers, the C.Jacobs , Joan Hunter, Mark Chironna, Paula White, and many of the W of F. people have all entered into this together. They appear together. They have conferences together and are guest speakers together and then give their own ministries a basket for offerings and sell all their stuff w/ tables and tables of books, cds, music etc.etc.etc. There is now no difference from this and going to an Alternative Health Fair and seeing new age everywhere. YET, THEY CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS and SAY THEY LOVE THE LORD and even read a few bible verses saying they are doing the Lord's work and loving HIM.
I will also add that during these conferences w/ all these high profiled people, at the very end of the conference, they have what is called a FIRE TUNNEL. They all stand in a line and EACH AND EVERYONE OF THEM LAY THEIR HANDS ON YOU as you run through the human tunnel that they have formed. IF ONE DOES NOT GET DELIVERED FROM THIS - they have been infected w/ the Kundalini spirit- . Renouncing, Repentance and removing yourself from it all , is what one must do, plus going to the Lord and asking for you to be delivered from it and renouncing anything the Holy Spirit places upon you. This is a serious thing and too many Christians are being duped into it and many don't truly know what is going on. Their friends, family , Pastors, good leaders, are all talking about it and aproving it and one goes thinking that they are doing a good thing and are blinded by it. Some don't get involved and can see through it, but most don't because they are focused on signs, wonders, and wanting to do what everyone else is doing and want to believe their favorite pastor or leader. One must want to follow the Lord, not their prophetic words and promises but the LORD and what HE shows you. Most of us have itchy rearends to the point that we can't sit still long enough to WAIT UPON THE LORD. We think if we don't hear from HIM w/in our time frame , then -HE wants us to go allong w/ everyone else. I have found that the Lord has his own time frame and most of us don't want it. WAIT UPON THE LORD even if it takes months!!!! That includes a so called Prophetic word. I am a firm believer that God doesn't need the internet to bring people to know what HE WANTS or IS SAYING. He will gather those that HE chooses.
THere should not be a problem of "talking about these things" and praying about them, but we start listening to the Prophetic Word and then others think they hear the Lord also and it turns into probable gossip. And sometimes God is completely silent and allows us to dig our own holes and then come to HIM and repent. But we all learn -----sooner or later and that learning is what helps us to become stronger and wiser IN HIM, and the next time, most likely we will wait till we hear HIM and HE directs us.
But listen, Varienne, just because we disagree on this does not mean that we don't all love you.
I know you have been through so much, and you have been a loving friend to many on this forum, so please don't be angry or back away from us, okay?
Together we can all come to a knowlege of the Truth , in Jesus' Love, okay?
I agree with Lisa, Varienne. Love to you!
Brother Tom--Praying for you to come to full health, to be delivered totally from every trace of disease.
Father, I ask that as Tom is on display before the spirits and the religious people, the Babylon believers, and the lost, Father make him a display of your ability to save to the uttermost those who depend wholly on You. Let Your blood-bought healing and protection shout Your victory to all who would stare at Tom and wish that You would fail in him!
Please minister through him in might, humility, love, compassion, boldness, and obedience. Let Him hear what You want to tell him, for himself and others. Send him to the people You desire, and them to him. Provide material needs, direction, encouragement, liberty, health, true fellowship, and ministry.
Father, may he know You, and the power of Your resurrection, and the fellowship of Your sufferings, and may he be conformed to Your death, that You might possess him wholly.
In the name of our beautiful Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, I ask this, Father. All glory goes to You, dear Father.