1. kpublbu
   Member

   I would like to start this thread just to ask first if there is a witness from the Lord on the following short couple statements. If there is, I will have to believe it is from Him and move forward with what I feel are the remaining couple items that go along with it.

   About a week or more ago a vision was placed in my spirit which I was not even fully aware of until I saw it clearly today. This may sound strange, it's just how I happened to experience it. Anyway, I examined this vision, and all it was was the clarity of the desolations of Jerusalem as in the times of Nehemiah. The walls were broken down, there was rubble everywhere, charred remains of buildings, the time of day seemed to be pretty clearly just past twilight. I feel that what the Lord was saying to me through this is that "This is the current state of My people. There must be a call to rebuild".

   Now, just a few brief points. 1) God did not actually speak these words to me, this is just my explanation of what I took from it that I think He was intending to communicate. 2) I do not see this as a call to rebuild the current old wineskin, but the habitation of the Spirit in truth. I can expound on this if necessary, but I think it will be mostly understood. 3) The call to rebuild would be a spiritual call that would resound in the physical.

   IF one or two get a clear witness that this is the Lord, I will proceed with a few other points I believe He clearly laid on my heart. If no one gets a witness, it may not be for now, as I do feel sincerely that He gave me a time period of three to four months before the call to rebuild would go forth, and so more prayer may be required. But again, not stating that these are certainties unless He supplies a strong witness or even two.

   Thank you all.

   In love,

   K.

   EDIT:

   Nehemiah 1

   1The words of Nehemiah the son of Hachaliah. And it came to pass in the month Chisleu, in the twentieth year, as I was in Shushan the palace,

   2That Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem.

   3And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.

   4And it came to pass, when I heard these words, that I sat down and wept, and mourned certain days, and fasted, and prayed before the God of heaven,

   5And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

   6Let thine ear now be attentive, and thine eyes open, that thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night, for the children of Israel thy servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel, which we have sinned against thee: both I and my father's house have sinned.

   7We have dealt very corruptly against thee, and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the judgments, which thou commandedst thy servant Moses.

   8Remember, I beseech thee, the word that thou commandedst thy servant Moses, saying, If ye transgress, I will scatter you abroad among the nations:

   9But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.

   10Now these are thy servants and thy people, whom thou hast redeemed by thy great power, and by thy strong hand.

   11O LORD, I beseech thee, let now thine ear be attentive to the prayer of thy servant, and to the prayer of thy servants, who desire to fear thy name: and prosper, I pray thee, thy servant this day, and grant him mercy in the sight of this man. For I was the king's cupbearer.

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2. ValleyAnt
   Member

   K, you said, "I feel that what the Lord was saying to me through this is that 'This is the current state of My people. There must be a call to rebuild'." The Holy Spirit has been calling for this since the Fall and other times when the things He built up tumbled into ruins.

   You also said, "IF one or two get a clear witness that this is the Lord, I will proceed with a few other points I believe He clearly laid on my heart." I can't say I have 'a sudden strong witness' about this right now; however, as I said above, God has been desiring to rebuild since the Fall. As long as things are not fully perfect, the call will continually go out from Him: "Restore!" (Acts 3:21.) The Lord has been speaking to me about rebuilding since '98. Everything He speaks these days (until everything is restored) is rooted in restoration, so if He is speaking to you about rebuilding, it is no surprise. However, sharing about it would be in His time.

   I, however, want to add that yesterday, I was praying when I began to see a vision that lingered in my spirit and in which I remained for hours (and still remain). I shared the vision with the person I prayed for, but I didn't share all the Lord said as it isn't a good time to do so with that person. The vision is about restoration and rebuilding those who are fallen/broken down. It is for you to decide how much and when to share.

   Thanks for the Nehemiah passage. The churches and people do need to be rebuilt as they are broken down. Isa. 58:12 and Isa. 61:4 say the basic same thing about rebuilding. They both confirm the need to rebuild, and the latter says, "And they will rebuild the old ruins; they will raise up the former desolations; and they will repair the ruined cities, the desolations of many generations." As God calls and builds up in order to rebuild these 'desolations of many generations', we are wise to not run ahead of Him. He will give the confirmations you need if/when you are to share more about what you received.

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. kpublbu
   Member

   Thank you brother for the good words. Bless you.

   K.

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. UncompromisedTruth
   Member

   ......... Dear Kpub,

   Last night before going to sleep, I prayed that the Lord would give you both discernment and confirmation. Early this morning, just before waking, I had the following dream:

   I was a student at a respected American college, "matriculating" successfully. One day, however, everything changed instantaneously ... it was as though my IQ had plummeted. I could no longer find my classes, and I couldn't even find my locker. At first, I sought help from other students, but the way they looked at me had changed. I was no longer an equal, and I could read it in their eyes. I asked one student where the history building was, but he didn't answer me. Along the line, I did manage to make it to my math class, but I was quite late, and once seated had no comprehension of the material (about the brain!) that my professor was presenting. Eventually, I made my way to the administration building to seek help there. I was not ignored, but the young man I'd approached just shook his head sadly, and showed me the alarming notes he'd been receiving from my professors. When I asked him about my locker, he told me that was a matter the administration was not involved with at all. Overwhelmingly frustrated, I concluded that I had no choice but to drop out of college.

   When I awoke, still feeling a lingering sense of frustration, I asked the Lord the interpretation of the dream. It came immediately: "Work while it is day, for the night is coming when no man can work."

   It's possible that this has more application to you than to me, but of course, as the Spirit leads. I must admit, though, that I was awed at God's faithfulness!

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5. Anonymous
   Unregistered

   Dear UT, and I believe this has significance to this thread,

   The Lord keeps saying to me, "Those who have their brother's blood on their hands will not be used to build My house."

   I believe this has been revealed also to you UT, and so according to your dream, watch who you ask for direction, or receive direction from... It is truly only those who are walking in forgiveness who can show you anything pertaining to your heart's desire. Forgiveness meaning looking for restoration, and the need for it. Of having a vision and hope for ones that have hurt/disallusioned/crucified/annoyed the other.

   You cannot look to anyone who is holding something against another.

   Love Varienne

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. kpublbu
   Member

   Thank you brother UT, and also you Varienne.

   UT, the statement summarized by the interpretation does hold significant weight for me. The fullness of the instruction is deeper though than I am able to clearly discern at the moment, so will take some time in prayer probably over a period of time. Thank you for sharing that precious sentiment/instruction from the Lord. And thank you Lord for your faithfulness in providing for our needs and hearing our prayers.

   Varienne,
   I struggled many times to forgive, sometimes over the course of years. Many here I'm sure can relate with similar struggles. I would underscore what you said about the importance of this, it is IMO the highest evidence of Christian virtue next to giving one's life for another. I can testify that not forgiving or even seeking to forgive is one of the most dangerous places one can be. It will lock down and block out everything good. But it is not something imparted as easily as we would like it to be in our flesh. Thank you for sharing.

   In love,

   Kpub

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7. UncompromisedTruth
   Member

   ............. Dear Varienne,

   I think that I must not be "in the Spirit" today, as I am not fully comprehending what you were saying to me in the above post. I gather that you think the dream was meant for me, rather than for Kpub, and it seems to me that you're suggesting that I've been seeking guidance from the wrong sources (that is, sources contaminated with unforgiveness). Is this correct, or do I have it all wrong? I don't mean to be obtuse, but could you please elaborate a bit, as I don't want to mistake what you are saying. Thank you.

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8. Anonymous
   Unregistered

   Dear UT,

   I think your dream is meant for us all.

   Love Varienne

   Posted 1 year ago #

9. Gziz Frique
   Member

   The original post was about the vision of rebuilding the wall/city. let us focus on that for now and leave out personal interpretations. the churches as we know them need to be demolished, not rebuilt as they all come from one source which was not God.

   the true church had no name and no borders. it merely was a church of disciples. that is what need be rebuilt; nehemiah is a type of the rebuilding of the final temple in a broad sense. we need restoration of the one true church, devoid of denominations and where people are truly obedient and spirit-filled.

   few will survive in this church because of their religion and false customs holding them back. the last true church as also stated in haggai ill be rebuilt to more than its former glory. bear in mind the attitudes and unloving ways of most will not be allowed there. there is terrible persecution on its way in every country on earth; we already see how it is spreading around the globe. some get it sooner than others.

   the true church will by default need to operate in secret, or 'underground.' having been the victim of persecution by those who claim to be His folk, I know from experience what cruelties come from the very people we worship with. our own will be our biggest threat.

   only a handful will make it through. don't plan to drag entire nations to heaven. it isn't going to happen. identify the jewels and polish them; leave the chaff to the fire. it sounds abrasive and cruel but then God doesn't beat about the bush when He gives messages, either.

   war is at hand and we need to raise the walls to keep our people safe, in s spiritual manner.

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10. Hope
    Member

    Gziz I agree, the bible dosn't prophecy that christianity in the true sense of the word will make any kind of comeback globally, just the opposite in fact, so the 'revival' or I like to think of it as 'renewal, or rebirth' is for the bride.

    The bride has lost herself, lost in the false doctrines, and misrepresentations taught for years. Knowing that going the way of the modern church is wrong, but having no where to go back to. We who are searching are standing still. God does speak in Amos of another time when there is a drought on the world, not a drought of food, but a drought of the word, where we will seek and not find.

    I think perhaps we are there now, maybe we need to just be still for a time, and the answers will come when it is time. How many have told their children, if you get lost stay where you are, and we will come back and find you. God will do the same for us. In the meantime these forums are great, we can talk to each other, and clarify which areas we have been decieved in while we wait.

    God Bless
    Hope

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11. kpublbu
    Member

    Gziz Frique.
    Exactly. Everything you said (with of course the exception of thanks to UT for sharing the dream, but yes we'll keep it on topic from here). Thanks for sharing so clearly.

    Hope
    Yes and thank you as well.

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12. Gziz Frique
    Member

    I was shown to go into the church and - pardon my English - take a hay fork and separate the chaff from the few gemstones hidden inside. the whole haystack was in the church but I only found two rock pebbles and one gemstone. the pastors and church council saw me as Satan.

    And this is how it already is where I live - in the new democracy called South Africa. No, the persecution did not come from Mandela's Marxist regime but from within the spearhead of the so-called renewal movement. expect you church to turn upon you ate some point in time.

    Our Lord also showed me that in my country at least, only a handful will survive because most will see it as too much trouble to escape the persecution. people will flee into the deserts where the Lord will protect them.

    My family and i went through extremities over the past 12 years and we were being prepared to lead the way for others. we are, however, battle weary and tired beyond comprehension. not even the us marines have to endure as much without getting a break in between.

    this may sound weird or may make no sense now but trust me, it will become clear. one has to be anchored very firmly and be rooted deep into him to make it to the end. nehemiah had faced endless opposition but he had persevered.

    you are only beaten if you admit defeat. as i am not english, i luckily "dunno how to kwit." :) foster your building plans!

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13. kpublbu
    Member

    I have been well conditioned to expect that my worst persecutors in times of sorrow will be those that claim to be doing God service. I am quite expectant of it actually, but also, I was one of the worst offenders of such behavior in the past. And so I also expect by God's grace to show abundant forgiveness. For I know that they are taken captive at Satan's will, and realize that even select beasts were chosen for safety in the ark. Very few of them know what they do. May we have grace to forgive when such times cause families to split and brothers to turn. Lord have mercy.

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14. Tye
    Member

    In my heart I see clearly that the old wineskin has to be completely done away with, as it is of no use, we are/have been trying to fill it with new wine for many, many years, and it will not work, it will only burst. We have tried to patch it, that also is of no use, The word says it will not work!

    In Haggai it says that God has with held a complete harvest of fresh wine, fresh oil and produce of the land. He has with held it because the people have not built His house the way He has wanted it. I believe He has withheld the complete harvest of fresh wine and oil because we are trying to put it into an old wineskin and in Gods wisdom/mercy He knows it will not work. Haggai says that there was a partial harvest, to me this is why we see glimmers of His presence, BUT until we get out of our paneled houses(personal denoms, personal ministries, personal titles, personal agenda's)and consider our ways, we will not see the full harvest or the greater glory. We must consider what our methods of building have really accomplished. They have not accomplished anything greater than Acts. To me the bottom line is until we repent of doing it our way or the way tradition has said we will never see a full harvest, But if we will allow God to build His house individually and corporately we will see the greater Glory that is spoke of in Haggai. We will accomplish Gods perfect will on earth as it is in heaven. We must surrender to the full leading of the Holy Spirit. For me Haggai is the key. I know this probably sound presumptuous and I am nervous in even writing the little bit I have..... This is my vision that God has given me and it is the tunnel that I live in. I have tried to run from it, leave it but it is with me 24/7. It is what I just can't compromise on..... or settle for anything less.

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15. thos
    Member

    Tye,

    I think you are spot on...

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.

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16. kpublbu
    Member

    Tye
    I don't know why you say you're nervous, because your words are like a thunderbolt of power in truth. This is the exact witness from the Holy Spirit I was hoping for. And thank you for sharing about Haggai, I do recall certain parts and will now be re-reading it very closely. I now wait to see if the Lord has another witness. It may be a bit of time and that is fine. But there's no mistaking your words for anything but the very voice of God.

    Thank you

    K.

    EDIT: My spirit hungers for more of what He may have you to share. I will be looking into Haggai as well as anticipating your additional input. I don't put you on a pedestal to make you feel awkward, I realize you also are merely an earthen vessel with no glory of your own. But the vision God has given you is of Him, and this is the treasure of His heart and of His people. Surely no effort to rebuild will amount to anything except by Him and Him alone Ps128.

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17. kpublbu
    Member

    Tye (and all)
    I am much convinced that this thing is of the Lord after reading your post and then carefully reviewing Haggai. The clarity of the instruction of the Spirit was so point by point it was almost too real. However, I feel clearly that God is saying He has moved one who bears the mantle of prophet to yet confirm these things, and will then make His intentions for providing this seed plain.

    In love,

    K.

    Also note: I found it of special interest that the book of Haggai records events that span a total of 3 months and 24 days, not unlike the "three to four months" I felt God had put in my spirit as the timing for the initiative undertaken here in and by the Spirit.

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