1. hopefulone
   Member

   Some other powerful words of Christ regarding how those who followed and believed on him during his earthly ministry were indeed "born again." To be brethren of Jesus (not in the earthly family sense) one needed to be born again, and that happened by the Spirit of God via repentance and faith in Jesus as the Son of God.

   "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matt 12:48-50 (KJV) "And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." Luke 8:21 (KJV)

   "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." Matt 23:8 (KJV)

   "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Matt 25:40 (KJV)

   "Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me." Matt 28:10 (KJV) Though this was after the resurrection, notice that Jesus said this about his followers before ever addressing them or breathing on them. Here again, with great power and clarity regarding his followers: "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
   John 20:17 (KJV) So tell me, ye who doubt the conversion of his disciples before some certain event, how could the Son of God say this "and your Father" if his followers were not truly born again from above?

   "Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee. 29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."
   Mark 10:28-30 (KJV)

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2. 4Jesus
   Member

   Or as I see it, some here have suggested there being a difference between being saved to begin with as a result of having repented according to the Word of God of course. But not yet born again , which IMO means converted finally, in order to enter into that kingdom of god consisting of righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Ghost fully. Meaning we must repent, and also be converted as well, in order to be born again. And if I am correct, then many may have repented, their salvation just beginning, but must also be converted just as is explained in Hebr. 6:2, after having fulfilled what is written in Hebr. 6:1. And that one is then born again only then. Thus their being able finally to see what the kingdom of God is that Jesus brought for all those that do repent, and are converted into that New creation in Christ Jesus fully, then able to continue on as God permits them to do so into that kingdom which consists of what is written in Rm. 14:17 finally. Meaning to begin to walk in the Spirit and not the flesh from then as, as God reveals to that one what is flesh and what is Spirit in order for us to begin to then die daily, as He begins to destroy that body of sinful flesh as well.

   And while it is true, the blood is applied to all of us in the beginning, when we repent. Is it not true also that the blood and water both that flows out to us, having to do with both flowing out of the side of Jesus Christ while still on that cross. after He gave up the ghost, also is involved in beginning to purify us as well. Meaning both are mixed in that water of life that does flow out to us after all. And while it is the blood that covers us while this process of dieing takes place that I believe Bruce said something about, while the water also does the washing of us continually as well, as we do continue on, once that new birth has taken place fully. As IMO what is written in Hebr. 6:1-2 has to do with the new birth. Meaning all three must take place, the Lord doing the work at each of them, that He has promised to do, before we are born again, able to enter into that kingdom at all.

   Meaning just because one has repented only, until both baptisms have been fulfilled, you are not born again as we have been taught to believe by so many after all. But are still a wannabe yet, until all has been fulfilled by God of course, written in Hebr. 6:1-2. Not just by us, but God also being involved at both baptisms as well as when we do repent also.

   And that is the way I have come to finally see it. Meaning most of us have been lied to over and over, because of the doctrines that have come forth over the years regarding this issue. Not all of course. But so many. Just like Jesus said about most never finding the way in Mt. 14:17, even though they might have entered in that straight gate as well. The two are very different are they not? the false prophets would like us to think they are not, but they definitely are.

   And it is this that makes a difference whether one has even become one of the virgins, let alone the five represented there that did continue on into His Righteousness to the end finally as God permits them to do so because of protecting us, that will one day be with Him forever from then on. But that does not mean that anybody else that is not one of them will not be saved either. Which is probably why there are both the bride and the guests at that wedding supper after all, wouldn't you say.

   Trying to keep it short, but figure most of you will know what I am saying, whether you agree with me or not.

   Love,
   Sandy

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3. GWYPL
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   Sandy...you did a wonderful job of laying out the truth in scripture.

   Thank you for making it so clear....and so obvious as to how so many have been deceived over the years and generations.

   So many have been deceived by the lack of this truth that you have brought forth, that they even had to "make up new" doctrines to explain why so many who call themselves christians do not go on to purity of life or a deeper walk with our Lord.

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4. 4Jesus
   Member

   By the way Bruce, I agree totally about what you did write about the blood covering one when they are born again finally. Where we might not agree, is when it is we are born again finally.

   Love,
   Sandy

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5. Bruce Skelton
   Member

   Hi 4 Jesus & Carl.
   I agree with much of what you both say. Sandy said “I disagree one is born again when we repent.” I AGREE.

   The verse below tells us that the disciples received the Holy Spirit at this point when Jesus breathed on them. To be truly born again one must repent, believe and receive.

   Repent of your past life and your attitude toward God.

   Believe that Christ died paying the penalty for your sins, was buried and rose again on the third day.

   Receive the Holy Spirit and all that God has planned for you. The word says,

   Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

   Then one should be lead by the Spirit. You must remember that just repenting never saved anyone. I know of people who have repented of all sorts of things. It’s not the same as believing and receiving.

   Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

   Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

   Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

   The verse below tells us that by the same Spirit one can receive power for the work of the ministry. I believe that one must truly want this, and be able to use the gift sincerely for the ministry. One may receive tongues, healing, prophesy, etc.; these are all by the same Spirit.

   Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

   The verse below tells us we are baptized by one Spirit into his body. It is the same Spirit, and it hasn’t got a split personality.

   1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

   Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

   In Christ,
   Bruce.

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6. 4Jesus
   Member

   Yes Bruce, but am not sure you are recognizing that they evidently received the Spirit written about this in John chapter 20, as you have pointed out. But were not baptized in the Spirit yet, until the day of Pentecost.

   And perhaps we do receive the Spirit when we repent, just as they did in John chapter 20, but this does not mean we are baptized with the spirit either. Because I do believe that the evidence of this baptism is speaking in tongues. I realize some disagree with me on this. But it says they all did speak in tongues on that day of Pentecost none the less.

   And yes, it says nothing about the house of Cornelius having repented preciously before peter went there to minister to them, true. But isn't that why God sent Peter to them in the first place? My seeing that they had repented, whether it brings this fact out or not. Not everything is brought out about what did go on entirely in the Book of Acts as I see it today. You just have to sort thru it, to figure out what was going on there most of the time. That is sort of why I prefer anymore someone looking at what it does say about the foundational principles of god being established in ones life in what is written in Hebr. 6:1-2. Because it does pretty clearly tell you what is required in those two verses in order for that foundation to be established finally in ones life. Even better than Acts 2:38 does IMO. although it is saying the same thing. As there are times when nothing is said in Acts about repenting at all, but speaks of baptism in water only, that being true when Philip baptized the eunuch in water finally. Did he repent, and receive the baptism in the Holy Ghost then? Doesn't say does it? But it does say he went his own way worshipping and praising the Lord. Also the same is true about when Philip baptized in water those written about this in Acts 8:12 also. It saying nothing about their repenting either, but we know they did, because Philip baptized them in water. But then they were also not baptized in the Spirit yet, because if you read on further, it talks about God then sending Peter and John to Samaria, their laying hands on them to receive Spirit baptism. Same thing concerning Paul also. Ananias was sent to Paul, it saying nothing about him repenting either, does it? But we know he did. Nor does it say anything about his receiving the baptism of the Spirit either. But we also know He had to have received it sometime. So when did he. Probably IMO, he received it when Ananias layed hands on him. Healing does not just always consist of one being healed in the physical, but can be also a healing in the spiritual realm at the same time too. Then it tells about Paul then arising and being baptized, which most people assume that was when He received Spirit baptism. But I disagree. Why? Well since when do you have to arise to be baptized in the Spirit. But to be baptized in water, you definitely have to arise and go to the water for that to happen don't you? And of course, then there are those that were John the Baptists disciples that paul ran into over there in Acts chapter 19. And we know that John had baptized them certainly. Yet because they had never heard of Jesus Christ yet at all, but Paul baptized them in water again, and directly after that, they then received the baptism in the Spirit probably while still in the water, because of their beginning to speak in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance also, but also prophesied too. Yet it says nothing about them repenting either does it there either. Although we know they had to have, because Paul would never have baptized them into or in the name of the Lord at all if they had not done so. Nor would they definitely not have received the baptism in the Holy Ghost either. Honestly, when studying the book of Acts, you have to be able to rightly divide at the same time. Mainly because of the way the writer did write what happened then. But it is the book that tells us more about what the first church did do for us to begin on those foundational principles than any other one written. And that was the one book the Lord started me studying about this issue come 25 years ago, after I asked HIM to reveal truth to me about this, once I did see I had been lied to myself. Actually we made a deal more or less I guess. I told HIM to teach me all there was to know about this issue, and if He would do so, I would begin to go and tell what He did show me to others then. But not until I did have some understanding of all of this. And He did do so, and I am doing what I told him I would do also. And will never stop as long as He sends others to me to tell them about how they can begin to overcome sinfulness in their lives too. Because you really cannot begin to do so until you are established on the that foundation fully at all. Not that we cannot cease from walking in sinfulness by just stopping to do some things, as we can. But you cannot clean up the sins of the heart by stopping anything. Those that deal with bitterness, forgiveness, hatred of others by yourself at all, without the Lord doing it. To walk clean in that area daily, that takes the Lord bringing forth his righteousness within our hearts and lives first. If you do not believe me, just try to walk in the love that Jesus was speaking of for those that do the things Jesus talks about written in Mt. 5: 44-48, without the Lord doing this for you totally. It is impossible for you to love your enemies as yourself without HIM bringing forth His love within you. And it will not happen fully until you are on that foundation either. You can claim it does, but I know better by experience. Because that was the one thing that caused me to cry out to God asking Him what was wrong when I finally did see it in the Word myself back then. That is the whole purpose of the cross to begin with. We think it is for forgiveness, and it is. But Jesus tells us why He was here to die, in Lk. 4:18-19. And it says nothing about forgivness of sins there at all. It speaks entirely of our being delivered from the bondages of sin. And that probably is because mankind could receive forgiveness of sins before the cross by the sacrificing of animals. which apparently went on even before the law was established way back in the beginning in Genesis. At least bringing a sacrifice before the Lord. Meaning somehow Adam and Eve had to have known this because of what Cain and Able did.

   And today, we are to present ourselves as that sacrifice, by our choosing to give up the ghost that brought forth sin within us to begin with at our baptism in water, that ghost Paul calls there in Rm. 6:6 the old man. which is when we receive the deliverance from the bondages of sin, in order to then go on and become the child of God that He desires for us to become. Why do you think this baptism has not been understood by the majority of believers. Well for one thing, it is one of those foolish things that God has told us to do, that does confound the wise, to begin with. I mean what in the heck can some water do anyway. Is the water on this earth holy to begin with. NO. Not even if you pray over the stuff is it holy. But it is where we are told to begin in Christ Jesus to begin with, in order for the crucifixian of that old man to take place within our hearts, that does keep us in bondage to sin. And that once this is done, and we are filled with the Spirit as well, then that completely closes the door to the devil entirely within us. And all he has left to tempt us with, is flesh. and that is going to go back to the dust anyway isn't it. At least I am going to get that new body, whether anyone else want one or not. God is a three part God, and in order to be established on the foundational principles of Christ, there are three things we are to do in faith for this to happen.

   And yes, I know what it also says about their only being one Spirit written in Ephesians too. But surely you all are not going to leave the baptism in the name of the Father, and also the one in the name of the Son are you?

   I will leave you to ask God about that one for yourself for now.

   Love,
   Sandy

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7. Pastor David Hall
   Member

   Some very good comments have already been made on this subject. The whole thing about being Born Again is that we Die to our old self and be made alive in HIM. I do not accept that unless we 'speak in tongues' that we are not baptised by the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is a gift, like visions and prophecy and is not automatically downloaded to someone who has been baptisted by the Holy Spirit.

   I speak in tongues as does my wife who is also a Prophetic Visionary, but we have fellow believers who are full of the Holy Spirit and have been baptised by him and do not as yet speak in tongues or have visions.

   More importantly it is 'hearing the voice' of the Lord, as he said that HIS Sheep would hear his voice. If we are truly baptised by the Holy Spirit we will hear the Lord talking to us and convicting us of various things in our lives.

   The Holy Spirit talks to us as a comforter and will not speak to us in a haughty or human manner...he is so kind and loving and yet firm.

   Here is the Lord telling us about the grain of wheat and allowing it to die and produce more wheat.

   20 Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up to worship at the feast. 21 Then they came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida of Galilee, and asked him, saying, “Sir, we wish to see Jesus.”
   22 Philip came and told Andrew, and in turn Andrew and Philip told Jesus.
   23 But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. 24 Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. 25 He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.

   Those who are rushing around thinking of themselves and being righteous in their own eyes are deluding themselves..its all about submitting to the Lords righteous standards and not our own.

   Repenting is a complete turning around from sin and its death dealing ways. It is also getting rid of bitterness Hebrews 12 and any form of unforgiveness. These things all become a stumbling to us if we hang onto them.

   Some have actually done all of this and yet they have stumbled over a word or a deed, therefore if they do not repent and ask for the Lord to heal them, they in effect throw the Gift of Eternal life away...because Jesus said in Matthew 7, that if we cannot forgive others, God cannot forgive us. Hebrews 6 covers this scenario.

   Bless you all

   David

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8. Bruce Skelton
   Member

   Hi 4 Jesus
   I agree with much of what you both say. Sandy said “I disagree one is born again when we repent.” I AGREE. I am sorry I should have said I agree with Sandy, that one is not born again when one repents. But we must remember, that one cannot come to Christ, except the father draw him. This is done by the Holy Spirit.

   Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

   Sandy.
   Quote:”Yes Bruce, but am not sure you are recognizing that they evidently received the Spirit written about this in John chapter 20, as you have pointed out. But were not baptized in the Spirit yet, until the day of Pentecost.”

   I believe that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in one the moment one truly believes. However, power comes upon one by the same Spirit when the Lord sees fit for him to do so. Then one is able to use the gift sincerely for the ministry. My wife and I speak in tongues and I have the Spirit of prophesy and teaching. But we only use them when the Spirit comes upon us, or prompts us to do so. Like the day of Pentecost.
   In Christ’s love,
   Bruce.

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9. 4Jesus
   Member

   Pastor, you stated that you believe someone is baptized in the Holy Ghost whether they do, or at least have available tongues to be received? As I see it, you are confusing the gift of divers kinds of tongues, listed in 1st Corinthians chapter 12, with the tongues that Paul talks of for our own edification only written about clearly in 1st Cor. 14:2-4. Which true are speaking in and unknown tongue. But because it is for our own edification only, is not the same thing as the gift of divers kinds of tongues. Because Pastor, the gifts are for the edification of others mostly when we walk in them. Whereas the tongues they received at the time of one receiving the baptism are for our own edification, not for those in the congregation at all. Which is why Paul told them to stop speaking in the congregation, when the speaking of them was only for them to be edified in some way or another, their being no interpretation of what they were speaking following.

   So why do I say that all that have received the tongues for ones own edification that have received this baptism. Well it is because I am positive of one thing. And that is that God would not give you or I the ability to speak in tongues, so we could be edified, and not all others that receive this baptism at the same time, to also be edified as well.

   And the problem is, when we do not see the difference, and someone does have a problem with believing tongues are for them because of their own unbelief often, they will be cheated out of being edified in the way that you and I are that do speak in unknown tongues. This happening because of our believing the lie that not all are able to speak in tongues that have received this baptism after all. And instead encouraging them, as well as praying for them that their unbelief in this area, which is a mountain within their heart, that possibly they are not worthy, be tossed into the sea in the name of Jesus, for them. The scripture I get that from written in what Jesus said about the mountain of unbelief in Mt. 17:20-21. And if need be even encourage them as well as others to pray for that one that is plague with unbelief in their heart for it to be removed, as well as if need be to fast.

   Meaning I respectfully have to disagree with you on what you are saying here, because of what I do see the Word saying clearly about the difference. Which true, many have confused the gift with the tongues that was received on the Day of Pentecost. And understandably why. Because it is pretty hard to differentiate between the two, when both of them do consist of speaking in an unknown tongue. I used to believe the same thing, until I did do a study catching the difference Paul does point out about this in 1st Corinthians chapter 14. Please study it out further, seeking the Lord as to what the difference is.

   Love,
   Sandy

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10. 4Jesus
    Member

    Ok Bruce, now I understand what you are saying. Which is pretty close to the same thing I am saying essentially. Your differentiating between what happens when one receives the Spirit, compared to what happens when one is filled or given the power to go into all the world and minister from then on. Which of course is true. Good thing to point out to reveal their is a difference after all. Am going to have to remember to point that out the way you just did too. Thanks for sharing it with me that way too.

    Love,
    Sandy

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11. Bruce Skelton
    Member

    4Jesus
    I just remembered this verse below is a great verse, that establishes his power coming upon them at Pentecost.

    Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

    We must remember that the word baptise comes from the Greek word baptizo which really means in English to immerse, which makes a lot of difference to verses that speak about baptism. We have been immersed in the Holy Spirit, so if one takes this verse below, and replaces the word baptize with the word immerse, then you will see what I mean.

    Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

    John speaking,
    I indeed have immersed you with water: but he shall immerse you with the Holy Ghost.

    In Christ love
    Bruce.
    PS: May the Lord bless you Sandy, as he has already done.

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12. 4Jesus
    Member

    Amen Bruce. And thanks so much for the scriptures. I think you and I seem to be on the same page mostly.

    And God bless you too.

    Love,
    Sandy

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13. Pastor David Hall
    Member

    Thank you for your reply Sandy. I am quite aware of the difference between the tongues spoken out in a gathering and the tongues for our own edification. The tongues spoken out need an interpretation, whereas when we pray or sing in tongues it is different.

    What I was saying is that; a number of Pentecostal groups claim that a person is NOT truely Born Again unless they speak in tongues..well I do not accept that..for very good reasons.

    I have seen and heard people get 'saved' and speak in tongues and get filled with the Holy Spirit but their lifestyle does not reflect a total change in their lives. Therefore when we accept Yeshua we need to totally turn away from the sins we were walking in and continually allow the Holy Spirit to clean us out, like the fire burning up the stubble. Evidence of being BA is shown by our life turning around and being a witness to others, as we are seeing with 2 of our new Greek speaking sisters.

    These dear sisters have been brought up in the Greek Orthodox religion and it is amazing how the Lord teaches them. If they speak in tongues eventually great, however it is not a requirement for being Born Again and baptised in the Holy Spirit.

    As I live in a Greek speaking Country and our fellowship has a number of Natural speakers of Greek, I am fully aware of the meaning of baptismos and how the dear Ayiou Pernevma (Holy Spirit) totally soaks us when we repent and allow him to do the work in us.

    Blessings David

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14. Joe Moriarty
    Member

    Hi: Along with what David Hall stated, it sort of amazes me, as a person who speaks in tongues, how people get fixated on "Tongues" when the primary scripture that is used for the "evidence of the Spirit" actually is dealing with the hearing "the wonderful works of God" (Acts 2:11). Closer to "evidence" would be the changed lives that went from self-seeking to care for others referenced in Acts 2: 44-47), and it doesn't mention any of those 3000 souls speaking in tongues. just plain Joe

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15. 4Jesus
    Member

    Just plain Joe, that is a cute name, by the way.

    I am just plan Sandy here. LOL

    What I believe the Word of God is saying is that tongues are available to be used for ones own edification always, once that one receives that baptism that began on the day of Pentecost. Which is why it says all that was in that upper room received the baptism in the Holy Ghost, and spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Sounds to me like all received as well as spoke in tongues.

    As for being born again, that begins to happen when we are baptized into or in the name of Jesus Christ. Our then beginning officially in that heavenly place in Him at this baptism Paul also tells us about written in Eph. 2:6. Because that is when the old man that brought forth sinfulness within mankind is crucified (Rm. 6:6) and buried (Col. 2:9-13 within HIM then. As if you notice there, Colossians is totally speaking of out beginning in HIM in those scriptures I gave you, saying nothing there about He beginning within us at all, does it? This baptism being done so that the New Man who is now in Christ Jesus, as well as He being in them, can finally begin within the inward man entirely by having changed both our hearts and Spirits. Which was prophesied to all that do follow and obey Christ written in Ez.36:25-38. So often we assume that these words were only given to the natural Jew, when no, they are given to both the Gentile and the Jew that do ultimately come to know the lord personally. Which is never going to change, no matter how many temples they do build in Jerusalem ever. As there is no other way for anyone to come to God is there? I find nothing in my Bible suggesting there will be anymore. So therefore, that promise is as much for us written there as it is for all Jews that do give their lives to Jesus Christ, obeying Him and His Words.

    Meaning as most believe, you are not in Christ until you have been baptized into Him officially. Even though He does begin within us when we repent. It never ever says when one repents, that they are now in Him at all. True it does say when we are in HIM, then He is within us. But not the other way around. If you do not believe me, check that scripture out I am speaking of here, and see what it does say. Many turn that one around. I know that be true, because I did check. Especially after the Lord told me to watch what I do say, and not what you might think, or have been taught what I said.

    As for the baptism in the Holy Ghost that was poured out upon all flesh to be received that do believe, that is important for us to receive this, in order for us to continue on into the kingdom of God that Jesus brought for us to continue on into once we have been changed when baptized. As that is the whole reason for the cross happening to begin with. So that we can be restored fully unto the Lord even as a babe in Christ.

    I don't know about any of you, but I need all the help I can get from the Lord to walk in His righteousness from then on as well, because of this putrid stinking flesh that does remain. And the baptism in the spirit does help believe me. And so do speaking in the tongues as the Spirit gives one the utterance too, in order for us to be edified by God. But of course, similar to what Peter did, by getting out of the boat and walking on water. If he had not climbed out of that boat keeping his eyes on Jesus, trusting in Him while he did walk, he would never have walked on that water either, now would he? Same with us regarding receiving this baptism that was poured out on the day of Pentecost, along with speaking in tongues, as the Spirit does give us utterance in faith too. Because God wants all of us to be edified. If that was not true, then He would be a respecter of persons. And my bible says he is not a respecter of persons at all.

    Love,
    Sandy

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16. Joe Moriarty
    Member

    Thank you Just Plain Sandy: I will search out your Scriptures at another date, but just wanted to let you know how God used you to bless me this morning. I have a routine that involves getting together with the Lord a few hours before going to church. When quiet, the Lord reveals what is on His mind, whereas I see Him as a "Topical God" Who wants to reveal His heart to His people. We can go to Him with anything, but to be still and hear Him is what gives us strength.
    This morning I was at an impasse, so to speak, and then I went and read your response in which you started with the just plain Joe comment and closed with the knowledge that God is no respecter of persons. Well, that is where the name "Just Plain Joe" came from. I have a web site called: Jesusliftedup.com in which I use that name "Just Plain Joe" so that the focus is upon the Lord and His Word, not a person.
    I may have used this name on the John The Baptist site, but did not know to do so at the time, hence I've used my full name. I don't know how to change the name on the site, or if that is possible, but I would. If I were to have a title that is descriptive, it would be "A Donkey Fetcher." Like one of those 2 disciples going down the road to fetch something that the Lord has need of. What a blessing to know you are actually doing the Lord's will!
    This is a description of a function, not a title that men are to look up to. When the Lord first started working upon me to not be a respecter of persons it had to do with not looking up or down upon any, but rather to seek to serve the needs according to the will of the Lord, which I was to seek at all times. An example of this is that there are Moderators on this site who serve a purpose, but we don't call them Moderator "Jack or Jill" but, we recognize their value in serving the Body with their gifts.
    When we lift up men we bring down Christ, hence, Jesusliftedup.com is a recognition of where He needs to be in our lives, over all situations. Anyway, I realize this is off the topic of Hebrews 6, but wanted to again thank you for "fetching" this Word concerning respecter of persons. Joe

    Posted 1 year ago #

17. 4Jesus
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    Amen to all you said there JPJ (just plain Joe"). And it is fine to get off topic within the sites I start. As I have a hard time sometimes staying right on topic always to begin with. Maybe because the Word itself often leads us to different places within it to begin with when sharing a topic. In fact, it is sort of off topic now to begin with somewhat. But to my way of thinking, which may be all over the place to begin with, it isn't. And I had really not noticed you do have a blog yet either. Just noticed the neat way you did sign out is all.

    Maybe that is the problem with the church. Titles to begin with that somehow have lifted some men up to begin with you know. And here I am off topic too. :-) Plus the fact that some get to stand on stage, and some of us are expected to sit in the pews. Or as a friend of mine calls them. The Peuws because that is where the lowly get to sit every Sunday and perhaps Wednesday night, while the higher ups tell the lowly what they should believe forever. :-)

    I know the apostles called themselves this when writing the letter that are recorded in the Bible supposedly. At least they are written in all the Bibles I have. But is it necessary to do so always just because you are walking in one of the ministry gifts? Which is what they are called in 1 Cor. chapter 12 at least. Meaning they are types of gifts given to the church. similar to the gifts of the Spirit apparently. Some do, but I know many that do not always do so too. So I loved what you did say there. Because anything we do that is good, God deserves the glory for it always.

    Love,
    Sandy

    Posted 1 year ago #

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