1. Gziz Frique
   Member

   South African Finance Minister said in his 2011 Budget Speech that this is a consideration for biometric access control in order to prevent tax fraud syndicates within SARS.

   Some church leaders and even Christian radio stations have promoted this despite kind and gentle letters to explain how this works and how this ties in with the beast of Revelation. I am somewhat of an expert yet no academic authority on this. I do, however, have three decades of experience and some education to refer to.

   Those telling believers it is OK to accept are gambling with the eternal lives of others and, frankly, such pastors should be blacklisted and silenced as they can cause reborns to miss their eternal life. This is no trivial matter and I also request that only those who really have a true understanding comment. There are just too many who sees this as figurative but lack in-depth experience and education in Retail & P-o-S systems, access control, etc. They simply are out of their depth when discussing this very important issue.

   Please, let us not expose our beloveds to eternal calamity.

   http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/

   http://www.rense.com/general69/twogov.htm

   http://www.rapturechrist.com/666.htm

   http://www.tldm.org/news4/markofthebeast.htm

   http://www.michaeljournal.org/RFID.htm

   PLEASE BE SURE TO VISIT THE LINKS ABOVE FOR BASIC UNDERSTANDING

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2. harvestisripe
   Member

   This could possibally be used by a One World Government as a tracking device which they claim contains all knowledge of the persons personal information and perhaps for people to have to buy with for the word of God tells us we whom are Christs will not be able to purchase anything unless we take the Mark of this beast antichrist.

   Taking this Mark by any christian will condem them to hell.

   The saints of God his true bride are marked with the Holy Spirit of promise Ephesians 1 and during the trubulation the natural Jews from the twelve tribes of Israel shall also be marked for God by the Holy Spirit and saved - Revelation 7.

   The whole earth shall follow the antichrist and most will take his mark - yet not those whoes names are written in the Lambs Book of Life during this seven year tribulation - this is not taking in the remainder 75 days where the antichrist is no longer in Power and the Bowls of Gods Wrath is being poured out just the seven years.

   I have been told and have read where this implant has already been used on man particular in the millitary?

   This Mark of the Beast mentioned in the bible has to do with being able to purchase anything - possibally to work also - and basically giving aliegenance to the antichrist.

   Not sure this IDF Chip is the mark spoken of in sripture as the Beasts mark but more for tracking society - but certainly could be?

   God Bless, lynn

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3. Gziz Frique
   Member

   Lynn, it goes much deeper than what you are saying yet you are 100% correct. You won't pay at the checkout any longer as "money" will be taken from your bank account once you are identified by the scanner. Lynn, tracking society is what the one world government is all about in the first place! Total control and yes, it is already in use.

   In Cape Town, South Africa software was rolled out live to users in 37 countries and control was taken over all the combined blades/servers and storage area networks, combining this all as ONE SINGLE DRIVE to ONE SINGLE OPERATOR on ONE SINGLE PC! It is mind blowing technology and really fantastic, pity it will be used against us. In a South American country, Police have software indicate floor plans of each house and showing on which beds reborns and where non-reborns sleep! So it is easy to arrest and execute.

   I sometimes feel like nuking the church to wake up as our preachers sell us out by being silent and this and by suppressing the news. In my country, I have already been persecuted by the church for warning people against this.

   One Christian radio station has a youth programme called Anticonformity and the presenter, a high school teacher, said she didn't know what the 666 was but refused to allow me to even talk to her. Yet her students think this is COOL!

   Another Christian radio station also promoted this in 2005 and wrote them a lengthy explanation and first had it vetted by a friend, who at the time was head of security on the largest mainframe on the African continent. He approved my essay unaltered. In 2007, the very same presenter had the same promotion on air! By then I knew that her husband was a specialist programmer - can they really be *that* ignorant or is this deliberate?

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4. Gziz Frique
   Member

   We will not be able to BUY or SELL without it and you also cannot remove it as it has a built-in system that will kill you.

   It also causes unique, fast growing cancers as predicted in Revelation. It really is time we sit up and take notice, especially pregnant women and those with toddlers. Careful of inoculations and, in my country, babies are already being tagged electronically but with removable devices.

   More links to follow

   http://www.sundayherald.com/print21807

   http://www.bvalphaserver.com/article.php?sid=1941

   http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/01/22/microchip.heart/index.html

   http://www.animal-id.com.au/mchips.html

   http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2083914,00.html

   http://www.medtronic.com/brady/clinician/medtronicpacing/clinmedt.html

   http://www.cochlear.com

   http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9908/25/brain.pacemaker/

   http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1418000/1418091.stm

   ALSO PLEASE SEE LINKS ABOVE, FOLLOW THEM AS WELL

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5. Gziz Frique
   Member

   Please watch these videos for a better understanding.....

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIdrPV_f3Es

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab6FnjKVJOo

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKrZGH_VjXI&feature=related

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6. Hope
   Member

   They have been softening up for years to accept these measures and still are.

   In New Zealand they have just released 45 smart phones to trial, where all your finances are included in the phone. New Zealand is the highest user of eftpos cards in the world apparently, and they often experiement on us. Now you don't need your card, you only need your phone, which most people carry anyway. I realize it isn't the mark, but its another softening up process towards acceptance of the mark.

   God Bless
   Hope

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7. Gziz Frique
   Member

   Kia Ora, Hope! :) NZ being first prominent country to start a day's trading is at great risk of 666. How the NWO operates is to create chaos through crime, for instance, and create a national desire for total control to restore order.

   Baby snatching will lead to chip implants, etc.

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8. EZEKIEL ROSE
   Member

   I'll be really annoyed if they replace debit and credit cards with cell phones as to me they are more a nuisance than a practicality. I really don't want to keep up with the Joneses.

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9. Gziz Frique
   Member

   Ezekiel Rose, that is exactly what they are busy doing. Don't keep up with the Joneses as it will cost you your eternal life in the end.

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10. TyronePalmer
    Member

    The scripture tells us that the false prophet will force people to take the mark of the beast. So in the near future there is only going to be those who are in Christ and written in the Lambs book, and those who worship the beast and his image taking his mark.

    Revelation 13:11-17

    "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

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11. Gziz Frique
    Member

    Tyron you are right........but what about uninformed Christians who may be taking this, thinking it is a good thing? And when churches and Christian media actively promote it?

    Aren't we sending His children to hell if we do that?

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12. TyronePalmer
    Member

    Hi GF,

    None of us who profess the name of Christ will have any excuse for taking the mark of the beast with the scriptures I just posted above right there for all to see and have been for centuries.

    We can warn people until the end and point them to the written word of God, but everyone has free will and if they take the mark they will be choosing Hell themselves, we can't send anybody to Hell, Jesus holds the keys to death and Hell, not us!

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13. Hope
    Member

    I imagine once it becomes compulsory that will be a clue not to take it. I'm with you Ezekial Rose,my quite new cell phone went kaput, and they wouldn't honour the warranty, and I am not inclined to replace it in a hurry.

    Top marks GF for the Kia Ora....Ka kete Anau....Goodbye

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14. dudewheresmyfire
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    It is actually worse, search RFID in new Obama care healthcare I did not link it just type it in there is a provision to be chipped.
    I couldnt start a new topic feel free.

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15. dudewheresmyfire
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    Oh I hear the new iphone is also chipped as well as all cell phones soon.

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16. Onesimus
    Member

    I imagine once it becomes compulsory that will be a clue not to take it.

    Hope, I suspect it will not be compulsory at first. There is likely to be a conditioning period where it will be made out to be a wonderful and practical choice - who wouldn't want to take such a thing?
    Informed Christians of course.

    There will also be denials - "of course this isn't the mark of the beast, its just a convenient and secure way of preventing fraud" etc.

    Many will therefore be in two minds - is it the mark or isn't it the mark?

    The other possibility is that we become so focused on a single idea of what form the mark will take (such as the chip mentioned in the title of the thread) that some other means may sneak in unnoticed.

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17. harvestisripe
    Member

    Here KJ it says it is going to be - his Mark - his name - or his number placed on mans hand or forehead.

    I do not think God left us guessing - we take no mark associated with any man or his name or his number placed on our hand or forehead - I read it to mean what it says. It will be some form of identification associated with the antichrist.

    REVELATION 13
    11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, ((FALSE PROPHET )) and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

    12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast,

    whose deadly wound was healed.

    13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

    14 And he deceives those[e] who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast ((ANTICHRIST_) who was wounded by the sword and lived.

    15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave,

    to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

    17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has

    the mark or[f]

    the name of the beast,

    or the number of his name.

    18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

    I believe this is showing this antichrist beast is a man and he will be empowered by satan and by the False Prophet whom shows signs and wonders - and his number is 666 - there is a satanic trinity here - satan the antihrist and the false prophet.

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