1. Thomas
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   The idea of the manifest presence of God is one promoted in the so called "River" revival. But if you consider the flippant circus atmosphere of the meetings at places like lakeland and others where they have this idea God wants you to have a "party" in his presence it is apparent these people have no idea of the true nature of God.

   I came across this sermon by Charles Finney about the manifest presence of God as He revealed himself to Moses.
   What I was struck with was how humbled and in awe Moses was in the real presence of God. Additionally I found this description Finney gives of God's glory very revealing;

   "It deserves special notice here that the answer given by God to Moses shows in what his glory really consists. Moses says, "I beseech thee, show me thy glory." The Lord answers--yes--"I will make all my goodness pass before thee." The glory of the Lord, then, consists in his goodness. It is not as some seem to suppose some dazzling splendor, some effulgence of light ineffable and overpowering--no such thing as this seems to have been thought of; but Jehovah's goodness--the intrinsic excellencies that compose his character--these he would cause to pass before Moses, for these are his true glory. "

   The rest of the sermon can be found here;

   http://www.gospeltruth.net/1846OE/460805_god_manifesting.htm

   which incidentally is a wonderful website that has all the sermons ever written down that Charles Finney preached available to read.

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2. harvestisripe
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   Thomas when Moses would go into the Tent of meetings and stay in the presence of the Lord the word says he would come out and his face would radiate the Glory of God.

   So it looks like there is two examples here of God's Glory.

   Anyhow it as you have said God's glory is nothing like Toronto or Lakewood.

   Another is God's glory lit the night when the people of Israel moved by night and God moved with them.

   Blessings, Lynn

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3. harvestisripe
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   NUMBERS 9
   15And on the day that the tabernacle was reared up the cloud covered the tabernacle, namely, the tent of the testimony: and at even there was upon the tabernacle as it were the appearance of fire, until the morning.

   16So it was alway: the cloud covered it by day, and the appearance of fire by night.

   17And when the cloud was taken up from the tabernacle, then after that the children of Israel journeyed: and in the place where the cloud abode, there the children of Israel pitched their tents.

   18At the commandment of the LORD the children of Israel journeyed, and at the commandment of the LORD they pitched: as long as the cloud abode upon the tabernacle they rested in their tents.

   19And when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, then the children of Israel kept the charge of the LORD, and journeyed not.

   20And so it was, when the cloud was a few days upon the tabernacle; according to the commandment of the LORD they abode in their tents, and according to the commandment of the LORD they journeyed.

   21And so it was, when the cloud abode from even unto the morning, and that the cloud was taken up in the morning, then they journeyed: whether it was by day or by night that the cloud was taken up, they journeyed.

   22Or whether it were two days, or a month, or a year, that the cloud tarried upon the tabernacle, remaining thereon, the children of Israel abode in their tents, and journeyed not: but when it was taken up, they journeyed.

   23At the commandment of the LORD they rested in the tents, and at the commandment of the LORD they journeyed: they kept the charge of the LORD, at the commandment of the LORD by the hand of Moses.

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4. harvestisripe
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   EXODUS 34
   28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

   29And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

   30And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

   31And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.

   32And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai.

   33And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.

   34But when Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded.

   35And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

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5. harvestisripe
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   Isaiah 6
   1In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

   2Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

   3And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

   4And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.

   5Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

   6Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:

   7And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

   8Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

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6. HappyTrails
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   Amen Thomas.

   God's glory is His Presence. Where God is, His character and nature are. His manifested character is the Fruit of His Spirit in Galatians 5.

   Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, GOODNESS, faith,
   Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

   That's why the scriptures tell us that bearing much fruit glorifies Him! (in other words...manifests Him outwardly for all to see!)

   Jhn 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

   Posted 1 year ago #

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