Just an example of one of the scrolls being described:
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Christa I think it is just best to leave it this way I refuse to argue with you of the validity of these Scrolls which I believe to Be - THE HOLY SACRED WORD OF GOD -
If you chose to believe they are fake and not Holy or the word of God so be it.
As I said I believe them to be too Holy To argue truely a miracle of God they were found.
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Christina,
There is no pressure I am aware of, to add to the Bible due to the material that was discovered. I feel that God has His divine hand on His word and what we have is sealed.
Carl Emerson
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My concern is this;
- I do believe that many of the Dead Sea Scrolls we will be able to see will agree with Scripture that we have in the Bible.- What may happen is that scrolls that disagree with R.C. doctrine/dogma will not be shown to the public (may even have been destroyed).
My reason for suggesting this is that when first discovered the scrolls were examined by 'christian' scholars (R.C.)before being handed over to Israeli authorities. My understanding is that even as late as the early 1990's - many scrolls were still being held by those 'christian' scholars, with various excuses given.
As an aside, the Nag Hammadi scrolls, also deemed to be Scripture and found around the same era (1945), but in Egypt, were fully published by 1984 (IMU) and 'add' to the Holy Scripture that we have today, so can be considered false.. ..and the reason I say that is because a brief overview of the Nag Hammadi codices include teachings on:-
Sophia the goddess of wisdom, children of the light, a 'laughing' Saviour, the world is the image of God, the future fate of the children of Seth, and so on. Part of one codex is also used as the New Age prayer of Great Invocation.Is it any wonder that so much deception and New Age teaching is entering christendom..?
..and why have many of the Dead Sea Scrolls been held back..?
In Christ Jesus,
RogerPosted 1 year ago # -
I also understand there are writings that the RC thought simple minded people (like...me, lol) would not understand so they held them back from mankind in the past. Marilyn
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The dead sea scrolls are a collection of various ancient writings.
They include biblical books as well as many other things that are not biblical.
Their discovery was perhaps the same as the discovery of a library. Not all books in a library are scripture.
The Dead sea scrolls are worthwhile for many reasons.
1) They contain some of the oldest manuscripts of scripture that we have. These show that present day translations are very accurate and have not been signifcantly altered throughout history as some scholars claimed prior to th discovery of the scrolls.
2) They provide historical and cultural information that give greater understanding of life in ancient Israel.
As for the possibility of English translations being corrupted by the Roman Catholic scholars who once had sole access to the scrolls - those days of exclusive access ended a long time ago.
Public access to the scrolls has been available for many years and many scholars have been able to translate them for themselves and check the accuracy of previous translations.
Having the scrolls even more accessible via the web gives even more people access - putting any work of translation under even more scrutiny.
Don't confuse the Dead Sea scrolls with the false gospels that have been around for a long time, such as those highlighted in The DaVinci Code.
The Roman Catholics do not have control of the scrolls. They are the property of the Israeli people. The scrolls have not been "held back".
At one time, in the early days, exlusive access had been given to Catholic scholars.
That situation changed many years ago. I'm not sure when but I think it may have been when Jerusalem (where the scrolls were held) was retaken by Israel in 1967.
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Lynn, HONESTLY, I am NOT trying to argue with you. You are reading me wrong and taking offense at nothing. I have yet to get upset with anyone on this forum. Please don't assume I am arguing with you about every little thing. :)
Thank you Roger for expressing so eloquently what I was trying to get across. I don't believe that ALL the scrolls ARE HOLY. Just like the gospel of Thomas, and the two books of Enoch and Jasher. Just because they are OLD and from HEBREW scholars doesn't make them HOLY.
Carl, people like DAN BROWN of 'The Da Vinci Code' used some ancient manuscripts for his apostasy and many in the church believed him.
Marilyn, God used a donkey to get His point across, I think He is sovereign enough to even use the RC to keep things out of the Bible that don't belong there if He chooses, and I am sure you agree.
However, that said: Most "Christians do not know their bibles and will accept anything put in front of them and called scripture." Look at how Oprah and 'the secret' got into the church. Look at how 'The Shack' was accepted so readily.
We have an obligation to be watchman and not accept anything that comes down the Pike but to test all things.
I for one am not a scholar, not even close, nor am I a linguistic specialist. I couldn't even begin to tell if they were translated accurately so I will just stick to the good Ole King James and the Holy Spirit. I am not going to get too excited on this one.
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Onesimus- thanks for clarifying. I am mixing them up evidently. You make good points. It was a library like I said at the beginning. I just thought the gospel of Thomas was in there too.
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Onesimus - my understanding is that as late as the early 1990's, Scrolls were still held back by the international team of the Ecole Biblique, even though at that time, photos of those scrolls had been given to other 'scholars' to work on, access was restricted to a very few. For years, Israeli scholars had been trying to get access, even through the Israeli High court - these moves were blocked.. why..?
..and thats the point I was trying to make - public access so far has been given:
- to those scrolls that agree with Scripture as we know it.But, in my understanding, no public access has been so far given to those scrolls that agree with the Word of God but disagree with R.C. doctrine/dogma.
Think about it, we have scrolls that predate any other Scriptural writings in existence - and we know that there are some errors in translation, over the years, of the printed copies we have today.
..and yes, I KNOW that we have access to the Truth of Jesus Christ through His Holy Spirit, and that revealed truth (for the spirit-filled, born again Christian) disagrees with some 'christian' doctrines that have been formed through scripture that has been 'adjusted' by man.
I am not a scholar either - but I do have access to Christ Jesus and His truth, through His Holy Spirit.
In Jesus our Lord,
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Roger,
Those were the claims made by the authors of The Dead Sea Scroll Deception (released in the 1990s). The same authors responsible for Holy Blood Holy Grail - a strong (maybe the main) inspiration of Dan Brown's The Davinci Code.I suppose in their mind, according to their claims, the scrolls allegedly withheld by the RCs are the scrolls that would support their lies about Jesus, spread through the book Holy Blood Holy Grail.
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Hi again Onesimus, have a look at; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Eisenman
for a very brief detail of Robert Eisenman's struggle to have public access to the Scrolls, well into the 1980's and 90's..I am aware of the books you mention, and the arguement between the authors and Brown over plagiarism. My understanding of H.B.H.G. is that the authors were exposing the lies about Jesus not being crucified, without supporting those lies.
My point in this comment, is that the 'non-access' to the Dead Sea Scrolls for many years is not just a 'claim' by authors of one book.
In Christ Jesus,
RogerPosted 1 year ago # -
My point in this comment, is that the 'non-access' to the Dead Sea Scrolls for many years is not just a 'claim' by authors of one book.
Hi Roger,
It is the claimed RC conspiracy to withhold texts that contradict their beliefs that I was highlighting by mentioning the writers of HBHG.
I was not disputing how difficult it was at one time to get access to the scrolls.
Access was made hard through academic pride and jealousy more than a conspiracy to hide things. A few old men wanted it all, even though they didn't have the time or resources to do the job properly by themselves.
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Isn't it interesting that the writers of HBHG, who claim they were reporting historical FACT saw that they had a claim to copyright on the historical "FACTS" they had written about?The very fact they thought their copyright was infringed shows they knew their book was fiction and a product of their own imgaginations.
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I'm not sure where we are going with this Onesimus..?
- I said that: "My understanding of H.B.H.G. is that the authors were exposing the lies about Jesus not being crucified, without supporting those lies".
..in other words their book gave details of the claim that Jesus hadn't died on the cross, that His bloodline continued... the authors didn't necessarily agree with, or support those claims, just exposed the beliefs of various organisations through the ages.
I am aware of your aversion to conspiracy theories, and do not want to get off thread.. :-)
Perhaps we should return to the Dead Sea Scrolls and agree that it is of interest that some are available for public viewing..?
In peace my friend,
RogerPosted 1 year ago #