“HOW a LITTLE GIRL from INDIA ROCKED MY WORLD”

-extracts by J. Lee Grady.

The Lord often provides me with a big, fat dose of reality when I travel overseas. It happened this week in India when I looked into the frightened face of Divya, a frail 4-year-old girl. Just a few days ago her poor parents abandoned her in Tanuku, in eastern Andhra Pradesh, because they already had three daughters. They wanted a son. So they dumped their child on the side of a road.

There are already more than 30 girls living in Raja´s house – and
all of them have similar stories. Some were orphaned when their
parents died, but many were abandoned because they live in a
culture that devalues females. Two of the girls were found alive in
trash bins when they were infants.

This week I spent time with Raja, his wife, Padma, and the girls,
and I toured the three-room house in Tanuku where they all live.
More than 10 girls share each room. They sleep on mats. They
have access to two toilets (but no hot water for baths), and they
all have lice.

Raja and Padma have two young children of their own, but they
manage to feed the orphaned girls rice and vegetables every day.
They serve meat only once a week, in very small portions. They
trust God to provide for the girls´ school fees. They also teach
them the Bible and take them to their Pentecostal church on Sundays.

Divya´s story reflects what is happening in India today. Even though
women and girls suffer unimaginable cruelty and rejection, and
even though millions still suffer in indescribable poverty, the gospel
is spreading at an accelerated pace. India´s new believers are not
only planting churches and evangelizing unreached areas but they
are also showing Jesus´ love to orphans, widows, lepers, prostitutes
and people of the lowest social caste.

Every time I come to India I get a much-needed shock treatment.
I realize how spoiled I am. I repent for whining and complaining
about stupid material things that don´t matter. After only a day
here, I suddenly sense a new gratitude for running water, flush
toilets, hot showers, a comfortable bed, reliable electricity and
paved roads.

And even after this attitude adjustment, I still am haunted by my
encounter with Divya. She totally messed me up. I can´t just go
back to my comfortable suburban bubble knowing that little girls
like her are being left on roadsides. Her pitiful cry was my
wake-up call.

I believe God is calling all of us to renounce our self-absorbed
American prosperity religion so we can hear the cries around us.
Let´s stop whining and be thankful. And let´s open our hearts to
receive His compassion for the millions of Divya´s who need our love.

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http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fire-in-my-bones/15462-how-a-little-girl-from-india-rocked-my-world

Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on August 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm.

55 comments

55 Replies

  1. Andrew Aug 2nd 2012

    Very sad.

    But at least it is true that God is moving powerfully in India and other Third World countries.

  2. Jackie Riege Aug 2nd 2012

    OH DEAR……….How awful for those little girls. I know god is more powerful there then he is in USA cause we don’t go without here even for a minute. I live on social security but I have all that I need. Can I help a little?

  3. Purdey Aug 2nd 2012

    Very sad what’s happening to the baby girls there. I don’t have much in material possesions but would love to assist Raja and Padma in any way possible. Will definitly keep them in my prayers.

  4. Andrew Aug 2nd 2012

    I believe Lee Grady may be involved in a charity that perhaps may be helping. Does anyone else have info on this?

    -Andrew

  5. I remember last year waiting a few hours for a connection train in Calcutta. I tought… if I want I can take in just a few minutes many photo’s about extreme poverty and try to impress our prayer partners… but during those same minutes so many extreme rich people are passing by… India a land of extremes in many areas. We have the priviledge to serve the Lord here in the most unreached areas… millions of people didn’t hear even one time the Name of Jesus… children of God rise up and shine for your light has to come… to shine!!!

  6. I am a missionary living and working in Mexico (16 years) and though Mexico is no where like India we see some things that are very sobering indeed. People from the “first world” simply have no idea what “the rest of the world” live like. The lack of humanity (for want of a better word) is the hardest thing to come to grips with. Sadly, I think the U.S. is sliding into a similar mentality in many ways, abortion being just a glimpse.
    Man, left to his own devices will (if we havent already) self destruct, unregenerate man simply for all our (we think) smarts cannot get it together. As the law was given to demonstrate to man that we can not keep it the so called “third world” demonstrates it graphically.
    Come Lord Jesus, come. m

  7. Teshuva Aug 2nd 2012

    Dear Andrew,
    I have a couple of e-mail addresses to two men who help feed the families of India.
    If you would rather I not post this then please delete.
    I send as I can via western union and have always received a good report.
    Upon meeting them all they asked for were prayers but I was led to send funds after a period of time.

    The bottom one I have known for about 6 years now and has told me of the smiles on the faces of the children who have been able to have fruit and vegetables. He does more of a street evangelism and has meetings weekly.
    The man with the address at the top, has to migrate periodically for being persecuted, however the last report I got of him was that someone is helping them get a small place that is more safe then where they were.
    I think he has an orphanage type set up. This one I have corresponded with for about 3 years.

    Ravikumar Srinivasan
    Ravi Kapoor

  8. alice Aug 2nd 2012

    so incredibly sad that little children all over the world are abandoned like this. even in the western world children are left to their own devices, placed in front of the t.v., to watch whatever – maybe the abandonment is different but the effects of not being loved, wanted or cared for are the same and become etched into the hearts of children –
    i dont have much but i have tried to help a ministry in pakistan – but even with that i am not 100% certain it is bonfide – but i trust God to work it all out and hope and pray that children will get some sort of food or help that they need. when we hear and see so much poverty around it is hard to know where to start.

  9. debylynne Aug 2nd 2012

    this is the very reason we support http://www.heavensfamily.org under david servant. as in this situation – we are able to help the TRULY needy ones not JUST with material and emotional needs – but by giving them what they really need – the gospel of Jesus Christ….you can get ‘caught up’ in helping the ‘poor’ and there are those that do – but, unless you CLEARLY give them the truth of Jesus Christ, as well, as these are doing, you are giving them precious little. help the hurting, help the poor, help the suffering, help the children – but give them the opportunity for ETERNAL LIFE above all.

  10. Linda Aug 2nd 2012

    It is very sad for the little girl, but how wonderful that these people found and reached out to her. I just know the Lord will heal her heart.
    I apologize that I’m going off-topic a bit here, but I could use some coaching with the situation I’m describing below, if there is any available.

    Last year I met an American woman, 33 year old blue eyed blonde who had a little Indian daughter who was 5 or 6. The little girl was pretty, thin, quite imaginative, out-spoken, and couldn’t sit still for even a minute, supposedly looked just like her dad, and it was believable. Her mother had quite a story to tell me about marrying a man from India. He was all full of compliments all the time, loving her blonde hair and blue eyes, always telling her how beautiful she was, and how much he loved her. He had a friend here from India also, who helped him talk her parents into mortaging their older home that they’d paid off and loaning her husband $240,000 to open a business, a store. The friend already had his business and was full of assurances that it would work, and he was going to help. In the meantime, this young woman was working and sent $600/mo. back to his family in India because people are so poor there. She really thought it was for his parents and siblings but isn’t sure any more. She was still really upset about everything that had gone on during their marriage and afterwards. She had always taken him at face value, believing that he loved her. The store failed so the loss was to her parents. He filed for divorce and got it, of course, right after obtaining his legal rights to be here from the Justice Dept. because he’d married an American woman. He then got on a plane headed to India, and came back with an Indian wife of his parents’ choosing. She now gets $200/mo. in child support for his daughter.

    I was at somewhat of a loss as to how to help this young woman, aside from praying for her to have a better life now, get closer to the Lord, and be able to forgive, etc.. The truth is that in recent years I’m hearing of this type of thing more and more. Immigrant men from all different countries exploiting young American women with how beautiful they are and how much they love them, only to divorce as soon as they become legal, whether they have a wife in a different country, or not. I even heard from a man in his 30’s that he was approached by a woman from China who asked if he would marry her, but was she was honest about just wanting her status to be leagl so she could bring her family here. She offered him $10,000 in cash, a brand new pick up truck with his name on the title, and a trip to China for him and a friend to meet her family. Doing a little research, I learned that if an American marries for this purpose, there is a fine of $10,000 and/or 10 years in prison.

    I’ve never heard this addressed in the media, at a Bible study or anywhere else, but due to some health challenges, I haven’t been out much in the last couple of years, even though I’m now better. And still, I’ve heard from even more younger people who’ve been affected by this kind of thing. What can we do to educate, warn them not to be naive or so believing when these people have something to gain. I can’t recall hearing of one situation where this has worked out favorably for a young American woman. How I can them or help to prevent something like this from happening in their lives instead of just hearing about it, after the fact?

  11. Oh, this story grieves me so! How long, oh Lord Jesus, can you let this continue for these innocent ones? I know you must love them more than I, and you must grieve this even more than I. Take good care of them, Lord, and please come quickly!

  12. Danny Richardson Aug 2nd 2012

    I love this article by Brother Grady. Now this is the kind of reporting that this site should be promoting hugely. Not the political Tea Party bashing that appeared here several weeks ago. I am a Tea Partier and I support financially and prayerfully these kinds of ministries that reach out to the poor of our world. It is not the responsibility of government to look after the disenfranchised but it is the Church and those who love Jesus to do this. C’mon Church, if you still believe in the great Commission then lets finish the job with our voices and our wallets, motivated by pure compassion for the lost and a deep deep love of God.

  13. Val sm Aug 2nd 2012

    The poor are often sooo much more generous than we are…..we give out of our relative abundance, where they seem, in many cases at least, willing to give all that they have….I just read the story of a poor old woman in China who was doing the same kind of thing. She took in scores of abandoned children. We live in days when people are “without natural affection”…..and yes, we have a long way to go in order to even come close to believers in India and the middle east and other places……we can throw money at these problems, but I am reminded of Keith Green’s song that said…..” to obey is better than sacrifice, I don’t need your money, I want your LIFE!

  14. Kathleen in WA State Aug 2nd 2012

    My grandmother’s heart aches. I am convicted. Though I do not espouse or endorse the prosperity perspective, I am oh-so guilty of being aloof from these tragedies.

    I pray we all have encounters that allow us to be “totally messed me up” as was Lee Grady – here, there and everywhere.

    Thus we see the best of the church, being the church.

  15. rozain Aug 2nd 2012

    I am originally from India and I have to warn against a huge deception that is encapsulated in this article.

    I was poor and I was covetous, because poverty was an oppression and Jesus came to set the captives free. He also wanted people to be free of enslavement to poverty. Even after I became a follower of Jesus, the teachings against the “prosperity message” that threw the baby out with the bath water, kept me in bondage, where I was blind to the freedom of the Lord (the Truth sets you free; if you believe a lie you are in bondage) to “worship” those who could help me pay my bills.

    The Word of G-d that He wants us to prosper, that His yoke is light and His burden not heavy, and all the wealth that the patriarchs like Abraham, Issac and Jacob had together with people like king David and Solomon, missed me, because I was enslaved to a “church” that taught me the demonic doctrine of being poor, uninformed and spurned education. I spoke in tongues and had glorious encounters with the Lord, but the Lord could not fix my idols of beliefs that I thought were of Him, though very distant.

    Today I am an attorney, I honor the Lord with my whole life, I give as He leads me and He causes me to prosper…

    We see today how the ungodly rule because of finances because the followers of Jesus have given them a free hand to do so. I was recently trying to find a bank that did not support same sex marriage and found that every big name bank in the US supported it! I realized how many followers of Jesus helps them build their business. It is only 2% that support homosexuality – so if 98% stood against it and had banks that honored G-d, these big banks will have to close shop or change…

    We are so busy being poor and seeking the goosebumps that we have failed to enforce the Victory of the Blood of Jesus on the earth by overcoming the enemy and building a Dwelling place for G-d in every area of our lives.

    Pastors from India call me asking for donations. I tell them to teach their people to give first and the Lord will honor them. They are shocked because they keep telling me the people are poor. I tell them I got out of poverty by learning to give. The act of giving, led by the Lord will break the curse of darkness and poverty, which is of the devil.

    Thank G-d Who the Bible says, delights in the prosperity (in all areas) of His Servant. He gives us wealth the Bible says, and adds no sorrow with it. Let us seek financial prosperity together with all other forms of prosperity as Psalm 1 says; whatever we set our hands too will prosper, but ONLY if we honor the Lord and delight in His Word; His Law….

  16. Estelle Aug 2nd 2012

    And not all Divyah’s live in India. Some live right next door to you in your very own neighbourhood. The very same heartache and rejection this poor little girl has experienced, many of us have experienced too. It’s just so much harder to see with all the layers of civilisation we’ve managed to cover it up with. Not all of us can help Divyah in India but we can all help our neighbour, no matter how obnoxious he or she may seem. Maybe that will deafen the cries of a hungry, lost child in India a little bit…..

  17. Caroline Hall Aug 2nd 2012

    My son and daughter-in- law (who was born in India) recently returned from India with a little 9 year old girl they adopted. What we know about her is that her parents and older sister were killed in an accident. She was left in an orphanage in Bangalore. I drove up to Atlanta to meet her last week. She is the most delightful child. Sweet, kind, bright and most of all she knows about Jesus.
    We are so blessed to have this new person join our family. Now she has an older sister and two younger brothers who love to tease her. My daughter-in-law says that there are over 400 million abandoned children in India. 4 million would boggle my mind but 400 million – no way I can wrap my mind around this. Every child should have a loving home to grow up in. I am blessed to have this new granddaughter. I fell in love with her right from the start. Thanks for letting me share this. CHall

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  18. Betty Constuble Aug 2nd 2012

    What can I do? I will be praying for sure but it seems it is not enough. Can we give to these people? Please, Andrew, tell us how to help.- Betty

  19. Kim Hood Aug 2nd 2012

    So how does one go about helping this couple with their mission to help unwanted girls? Posting some info would be helpful

  20. devon Aug 3rd 2012

    That kind of story always tears at my heart. Forgive me Lord for being so selfish and complaining so much. Keep this kind of thing before my eyes so I won’t offend You with my pouting.

  21. devon Aug 3rd 2012

    I pray to God that the ‘church’ they are going to isn’t demanding the unscriptural tithe out of these poor folks. We lost our street ministry years ago because we couldn’t afford it after ‘tithing’ to the ‘church’.

  22. Val S Aug 3rd 2012

    I want to speak out regarding the post of Rozain….there is real truth in what you are saying. North Americans giving to third world situations of people with their hands out is not helping them. This family does not apparently have their hands out but the principle is there. Africans, Indians, many *friend* Americans with that in mind….instead of trusting the same God who owns the cattle on a thousand hills in India or Africa, people look to wealthy Christians for hope and help many times….we have to be wise. The need of the children of course is tragic and desperate so I am not belittling that.

  23. Ibelieve Aug 3rd 2012

    Very sad story here, because we know there are other children out there who become “prey” to the wolves, without a happy ending.

    “Gospel for Asia” is a reliable organization, who ministers to the poor in remote villages in India. K.P. Yohannan is the founder of this organization.

    http://www.gfa.org/kpyohannan/

  24. Friends,

    Firstly, thanks to Lee for bringing this to our attention.

    Have we realized that this is evidence of the spiritual battle that rages in nations where the behaviors of the people emulate the character of the gods they serve.

    Their gods do not care about individual lives, they are out to steal kill and destroy.

    And in the West the gods that are served pile up wealth with indifference to the poor in their own streets.

    This was the sin of Sodom, not homosexuality but withdrawing ones hand from the poor…

    This is pure and undefiled religion, to visit orphans and widows in their distress and keep ones-self unstained by the world.

    Let’s choose to be Jesus to our neighbours and support compassion ministries that show Jesus love to the world.

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.

  25. As a nation, we in the US are not thankful enough. We don’t have a realization of what the world is like in many places. May God bless and keep all these little girls. May they come to KNOW the power of the Resurrection of the Lord who died for them. And may the Word of God have free reign in India and the world.

  26. I can totally relate to what you are sharing about India because my husband & I went on our first mission trip to India this January for 2 weeks and the Lord did the same type of thing in our hearts. We just can’t go on and forget what we encountered there. After much prayer, we have scheduled another trip there next February and will stay for 3 weeks this time. We learned about what happens to far too many baby girls there, yes, abandoned or boiled to death, just because they are girls and the parents are too poor to afford to pay the dowry of a girl when she grows up to marry. We are asking the Lord to use us in India and forsake the “American Dream”. I pray many more Christians will do this too.

  27. Andrew Aug 3rd 2012

    Carolyn – you are right.

    One of the most powerful things we can ever do is spend time in a Third World country. It will change our perspective on EVERYTHING.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  28. SeattleVic Aug 3rd 2012

    One of the things that comes to mind is how foolish we are as a nation. We have the potential to be a major influence in other nations, but we’d rather have a life of ignorance, separated from the rest of the world. Do you know the reason why you see lots of immigrants owning gas stations, 7-Elevens, and restaurants, while average Americans struggle to make ends meet? It’s because Americans are so focused on living on their own, so they can boast of their self-sufficiency. Immigrants live together, pool their money together, and then start buying up businesses little by little. They don’t have the foolish mentality of Americans that it’s all about looking good in front of your friends. Instead, immigrants work hard, living in difficult living conditions, so that they can have more money in the future. I would love to move in with other Christians to do the same, to sacrifice great living conditions so that we can pool our money together and be able to use that to make a difference for people who need it more than we do. But, I can’t find Americans out there who are willing to do that. Everyone wants to keep their self-sufficient, luxury lifestyle so they can continue in the way of the world. It’s frustrating. Where are the Christians who aren’t wanting to waste their money to look good in the eyes of men?

  29. Andrew Aug 3rd 2012

    Sounds like the early church, SeattleVic!

  30. For people who are interested in helping children in India, can I suggest ‘Gospel for Asia’? By all accounts I have ever seen, their reputation is stellar. They do have a means where you can sponsor a child from a poor part of India to provide them with an education, a meal a day, and a school uniform.

  31. SeattleVic Aug 3rd 2012

    @ Andrew – Yes, that’s right. I am an advocate for Early Church living. I firmly believe that every Christian should be losing their lives in this world. Not just making some sacrifices, but literally losing their identity in this world for the cause of Christ. The Word of God says that anyone who is a friend of the world is an enemy of God(James 4:4). How can we continue to model our life in this world after the lives of non-believers in this world and then say we are not friends of this world? We say we are not of this world, but what percentage of Christians continue calling themselves by the country their family came from? Christianity today is more about fitting in with non-believers in this world than patterning our lives after the Bible. I even remember how pastors in the 80’s started looking for ways to be seeker-sensitive. We’re not preaching the gospel of Jesus. We’re preaching a message that replaces honoring God with being sensitive to people’s needs and desires. Love in the church is exactly the same kind of love as is found in the world. So, when a church says you have to be more loving, people are trying to love the way the world loves, because no one ever made a distinction between God’s love and the love of this world. Anyways, I’m getting off topic. I just think the church of today has become wise in its own eyes, no longer reverencing God’s Word, but doing what fits in with today’s culture.

  32. Averyl Aug 3rd 2012

    Estelle & Carl, – I totally agree. But it can be very hard just loving one’s neighbours, especially if they’re needy people looking for a ‘soft touch’, – someone they can use! Time to discern & how to present ourselves & our God, – to get the balance between being ‘a pushover’ & ‘don’t mess with me’!

  33. David Dale Aug 3rd 2012

    Unfortunately most of the “religious scammers” for want of a better name, come out of Andra Pradesh in India.. My friends and I recently learned a bitter lesson from a chap called Chitty Babu Gampala, also from Andra Pradesh, who not only ‘scammed’ us for 600 bibles (half we got the Bible Society of India to deliver) and the other half he convinced us it would be cheaper to send him the money so that he could purchase them wholesale cutting out the middle man, but we also sent him rather large sums of money via electronic transfer into his bank account, which, by the way, doesn’t exist any more. He used basically the same excuse as the gentleman in your article, that the FEMALE children were being thrown out on to the streets and were winding up in his Fellowship, and that women who converted to Christianity, were being beaten and thrown out into the street as well and he, out of the kindness of his heart, had taken them in and needed funds, clothes etc; to keep them from starving to death.
    There must be some way that we can keep a check on such people, and if someone can assist in publishing a website that can name these crooks, it might save us a lot of money and heartache. I feel sorry for the genuine charities and tenderhearted people who are missing out good works and thousands of dollars these despicable crooks gain using the name of “Christianity” to further their gains.
    David.

  34. It would be a good idea for churches in the West to spend money by sending their young people and others on mission trips to places like India, so that they may be able to experience for themselves what Lee Grady has experienced. From then on, the existence of the poor and the responsibility to help them might become real to the Church.

  35. Doug P. Aug 3rd 2012
  36. Is there a way we can contact J. Lee Grady – for the ultimate purpose of supporting this home for girls?

  37. a farmer Aug 3rd 2012

    Rozain’s comment speaks about a deception contained in the article, and I agree.

    It is true that Christians, by the nature of Christ’s Life in them, are compassionate. This is very good.

    But why are there posts that display a contempt for “those selfish Christians” who are enjoying a higher standard of living than slum-life? Jesus said, “The poor you will have with you always.” He did not seek to wipe out poverty. Why did He accept the perfume–worth a whole year’s wages!–being poured on His feet? We see the same contempt from Judas: “Could this not have been better spent on the poor?” (John 12:3-8) There is something inherent in the feelings invoked for the destitute, that evil latches onto to bring guilt and condemnation. I think in part this is because it is very hard to refute “withholding” without being labeled selfish and insensitive. We must be wise.

    A person who is unable to enjoy a good meal or sleep in a comfortable bed because the poor cannot, is misguided. [Unless the Holy Spirit has so directed.] Help the poor as much as you are led of God to do so, but keep a light, thankful heart. If you lose your joy, if you respond out of guilt, you have lost Love, and all your sacrifice for the poor becomes nothing. (I Cor. 13:3)

    If zealousness for the poor erodes your ability to be grateful and laugh, beware. Those sympathies are really borne of anger and lead to insanity. Take Jesus’ example–the most compassionate of all: He laid down His life to take it up again. Humility does not discard Glory.

  38. zeal4thyhouse Aug 3rd 2012

    Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

    Mat 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
    Mat 4:20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
    Mat 4:21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
    Mat 4:22 And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.

    Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
    Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
    Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
    Mar 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
    Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
    Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
    Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
    Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
    Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
    Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
    Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
    Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
    Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
    Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

    Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
    Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
    Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
    Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
    Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
    Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
    Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
    Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

    If you are NOT prepared to forsake ALL and follow JESUS CHRIST (wholeheartedly, completely), you cannot be HIS disciple!!

    The first twelve disciples left ALL to follow HIM.

    Whoever you are, what make us to think that it is also not required of us too??

    May the LORD have mercy on us.

    In Christ Jesus out LORD

  39. david Aug 4th 2012

    the story is indeed very moving and eye opening for many westerners, BUT..i have great problems with our adopting the devils termonology…prosperity gospel…as opposed to what other kind of gospel ? the poverty gospel ? news flash ! it is that ‘gospel’ that lee grady just witnessed in india…the result of hinduism, islam,buddeism…..is the curse of poverty. love without power to help is a curse…….yes there are crooked preachers…..but does that negate what God has said about propsering his people ..so that they can be saviours to this world ? why is there great wealth on this earth ? is it not to be used to establish God’s kingdom and what does that kingdom consist of ? poverty, sickness, enslavement to sin …..of course not…my point is to all saints…..LET GOD PROSPER YOU…so that yiu can use it to his glory.

  40. Andrew Aug 4th 2012

    The ‘Prosperity’ gospel out of America is doing the most harm of any teaching in the worldwide body of Christ.

    I have seen this with my own eyes.

    If you go to Africa or South America you will find pastors driving Mercedes while their people live in poverty. They preach ‘Prosperity’ but it is the PASTORS that get rich.

    All of this is totally anti everything Jesus said about money.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom.

  41. Hi Andrew, I am so pleased that it has given you a wake up call. There are so, so many more in New Zealand and abroad(Australia & close by) that need a wake up call to what is going on in and around their cities and towns. Some have No clue whatsoever.
    I too was abandoned in the 1950’s and put into a boys home where I experienced all sorts of things and struggled with abandoment, lonliness,being phyically stripped and belted often so I have an idea of what these children were going through. It is not nice and certainly not right that in this day and age we condone this type of thing/practice!
    we have become a sick society and even yoday as a leader and prophet within my church i must say it saddens me so much that we can do this sort of thing.

    to be thrown into the garbage as some bad piece of meat is to me the lowest of the low. One can only say Hurry up Lord and come.

    Some say “Why does the Lord permit such evil crimes? I cannot elaborate here on that, but others I’m sure will.
    Anyway it is time that we as a nation completly Repent of the many things that happen under our noses, and we do nothing! All I can say is SHAME-SHAME> People from the “first world” simply have no idea what “the rest of the world” live like.

  42. a farmer Aug 4th 2012

    The prosperity heresy has certainly done much harm, and so has the poverty heresy.

    I remember back during the days Harold Camping began his television program on Family Stations. He would dress in worn, dowdy clothes even though he was a wealthy man. He was told many times he should spruce up a little, but he felt he needed to “look humble.” How many millions have been adversely affected by his teachings?

    An over-emphasis on poverty is just as materialistic as an over-emphasis on prosperity. We have died to this world and been raised in Christ. For this reason Paul says, “All things are lawful.” He was speaking from Resurrection Life. Thus, he could be content in WHATEVER state he found himself in. (Phil. 4:11-13)

    Yes, we give all when we die in Him, that we may gain His all. We give All and gain Everything. Mephibosheth is a good example of this in II Samuel 19:24-30. He begins talking about his father’s house to David and David asks, “Why do you still speak of your own affairs?” David had adopted him into his family without reserve. Then Mephibosheth answers, “Let [my servant] even take it all [his possessions], since my lord the king has come safely to his own house.”

    He’s essentially saying, “When I have the King, I have everything!”

  43. George Luther Aug 4th 2012

    Andrew,

    You mention “The ‘Prosperity’ gospel out of America is doing the most harm of any teaching in the worldwide body of Christ.”

    I don’t believe you can say a false gospel of selfishness comes out of “America”. It comes out of hell.

    Lee Grady’s reaction in the article of compassion for the poor and appreciation for the creature comforts he has is the right attitude. However, I have been repeatedly appalled and sickened in different churches I’ve visited when I have personally observed the “Pastor” mock and ridicule the poor.

    There is one “church” I visited where the pastor has a fleet of apparently $100,000+ cars in a special garage on the side of the “church” building. I accidentally went out a wrong side door of the “church” and as I walked down the side of the building to get to the parking lot the door to a large garage was open and I could see the Pastor’s fleet of extremely expensive cars all glossed up and beaming.
    That same “pastor” and his wife shared in a service about their “missionary” trip to India. When the wife spoke she talked about her shopping spree at high end stores in India and then showed a slide show with herself modelling about a dozen dresses that she bought there. No talk about ministering the gospel of Jesus Christ to the poor and hell bound (I wish I were joking but I’m not).
    Then the Pastor spoke and preceded to ridicule and mock Indians for being poor and laughed mockingly (with much of the congregation joining in) about poor Indians not being able to afford toilet paper and using their hands.
    That was quite ENOUGH for me and I stood up and walked out of the service right then and never went back.
    When I was walking out of the service I could see no one else showed any sign of being the least bit disturbed by this ungodly spectacle. It was like I was in one of those zombie movies (sorry for the TV reference) where everyone else is clueless and you are the only one who really sees the danger/sin/abomination of what’s really going on. I said to an usher on the way out the door “This has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ.”
    I wish I could say this was the only time I have personally seen such prideful self-centered garbage and belittling of the poor in a “church” but it is not. Space does not allow me to list all the experiences I’ve had with such conduct/speech/mocking of the poor in “churches”

    It was refreshing to me to see Lee Grady’s reaction to the poor and fatherless and to see that their are still other Christians out their who still actually care about and have compassion for the poor.

  44. Andrew Aug 4th 2012

    Wow, George.

    Shocking.

    -Andrew

  45. I too have seen such poverty and distressful circumstances in India. One thing I would ask is that people stop referring to people as “lepers.” If a person has a heart attack s/he is never referred to as a “hearter” or a stroke victim a “stroker”. Leprosy is a bacteria that can be easily cured.
    To refer to people who happen to catch a particular bacteria as a “leper” continues to reinforce the stigma that historically makes these people outcasts.

    A person affected by leprosy is definately not “a leper.”

  46. Ibelieve Aug 4th 2012

    In countries that have thousands of false gods, we know that demons are behind these entities. And we can through this see how the demons hate humanity in the way they treat them. Many have opened doors to these spirits and follow the false idols.

    As for prosperity:

    It’s horrible to see ministers promoting wealth as proof of their piety and godliness.

    Is having material things wrong in themselves?

    Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
    Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
    Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

    The Apostles forsook all but Jesus clearly says they will receive hundredfold in this life.

    Its all a matter of priorities, If a man is following Jesus the things of this world mean nothing and are a means to an end.

    When people bypass this and make mammon their god this is what is a delusion. They think that material things is showing that God approves of their actions.

    1 Timothy 6:5-6
    5 useless wranglings
    of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

    6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain.

    We are told to withdraw ourselves from people who promote materialism and wealth gained from godliness.

    Jesus will take care of His people and He knows all our hearts, so if a man’s attitude is right we do not have to fill bad if He blesses us in some material way.

    After all just knowing and walking with the Living God is the greatest wealth a man could possibly have.

    SK
    I don’t know when that got started but I think the men who came to Jesus where called lepers, and we see in the OT that they are called “lepers”, in the book of Kings.

    I think the title just stayed with everybody from the past.

    Lord Bless
    Gary

  47. watchful Aug 4th 2012

    Forsaking all, and receiving all in this life (with persecutions)………..is a call to walk in the Spirit and to be led by the Holy Spirit and to put nobody and nothing before Him. It is a call to live life in the Spirit and not according to the flesh. What we receive in exchange, in this life when we forsake all is a spiritual family, houses of those who welcome us in, possessions of what is shared with us, and lands/nations of those who turn to the Lord – all of which we are to be His stewards only in this life. From now on those who have material possessions etc, are to live as though they do not…..for the time is short, ie, our life on this earth is short (is it ever!..the older we get the more we realize it!). It is not talking about literal physical forsaking and abdicating responsibility for children, spouse, home, etc, but I believe He is helping me to see that it is talking about separating ourselves and coming out of the world in a spiritual sense and abandoning ourselves to be led entirely by Him and not being conformed to the world any longer (living life in the flesh) but instead living life, walking, in the Spirit – and this is why we will be seen as a peculiar people.

    1Cr 7:29 What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;

    1Cr 7:30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep;

    1Cr 7:31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

  48. a farmer Aug 4th 2012

    It may be clarifying to the discussion to ask, “What is True Help?”

    Is True Help borne of sympathy or is it borne of compassion? Many a man has sympathized with the plight of a suffering woman and ended up in an affair. But Jesus had compassion on mankind and became our Savior.

    Sympathy means “to have a fellow-feeling; mutually commiserative; to experience pain jointly or of the same kind.” Sympathy sees from the human perspective and therefore has the anger of man in its root.

    Compassion is the perspective of God Who is Love. It is closely related to patience. The concrete Hebrew picture is ‘Bowels: The bowels are the seat of compassion.” It is “sorrow for the suffering of others; to have the bowels yearn; to exercise pity.”

    Sympathy would have rushed to Lazarus’ dying side. Compassion waited two more days to accomplish a higher purpose and was reproached: “If You had been here…” (John 11:21) [Earlier Martha had asked Him, “Do You not care?” (Luke 10:40)]

    What did Jesus answer? “I’m glad I was NOT there for your sakes that you may believe….so they may see the glory of God.” (John 11:15,40) And the result? MANY believed in Him (v. 45)

    Sympathy has an urgency to it–something must be done NOW. It is based in the world’s time-frame. Compassion is eternal and beyond the confines of the material realm.

    When our son died we were greatly blessed by some missionaries from Cambodia. In discussing their work in Cambodia, we encouraged them to take George Mueller as an example and depend on the Lord for their finances. They admitted they did not have that kind of faith. They depended on American dollars and were teaching the people to depend on American dollars. The urgency of reaching the lost was their justification. I remember them saying that people don’t tend to give for mere evangelistic outreach. They will give to orphans. So they started an orphanage. They didn’t want to do it because it is so labor-intensive, but it brought in money.
    Rather than teach the Cambodians to be strong in faith and be more independent in order not to be so helpless and vulnerable to despots, they chose the quick route that emphasizes numbers. And they truly do not see what they are doing. So sad.

    We must be wise to be True Help. And who knows the Glory that might ensue?

  49. watchful Aug 5th 2012

    Yes, a farmer, walking in the Spirit as Jesus walked often means going against the grain of what we think of as normal human ways and even common politeness. The ways of God’s love are higher than man thinks of love, and similarly we are to judge according to the Spirit and not according to the outward appearances of things. It’s becoming clearer to me what it means to walk as Jesus walked.

    1Jo 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

    Normal human philanthropy is natural, and philanthropic behaviour is even exhibited by some animals. At this point I believe it is good, but to grow to perfection we must learn to walk as Jesus did – and then amen, Glory will ensue!

  50. I don’t know if anyone knows it or not, but back when Kenneth Hagin was alive he called a meeting of many of the Rhema graduates/pastors about the prosperity message. He was very grieved that the prosperity message has become a message of greed and “bless me, bless me, bless me”.
    I only mention this because I find it very interesting that one of the fathers of the message truly grieved over what it has become, and how polluted and false it is now. This was back the year before he died, like 05 or so? But it is interesting to know that the leaders of the original message are not pleased with how it has become a gimme, gimme, gimme message of greed.

  51. Andrew Aug 5th 2012

    It encourages greed from beginning to end.

    And it is ruining the church in the Third World SO BAD – I cannot even describe it.

    Very sad

    -Andrew

  52. Averyl Aug 7th 2012

    George Luther, – my daughter & son-in-law were regular attenders of such a “church” as you mention. It is here in NZ, maybe not as extreme but the same attitude towards the poor etc.. Thank the Lord this blatant lack of compassion pushed them over the edge & they have now found a church where the love of God is manifest.

  53. George Luther Aug 7th 2012

    Dear Averyl,

    Praise Jesus your daughter and son-in-law found a church with real love in it!

    The church I spoke of in my above post, and most of the other where I personally experienced disdain and lack of compassion for the poor, have been around the Chicago USA area.

    In this area there is strong socialism/communism/rampant government corruption (actually far worse corruption than I’ve seen in many developing countries) on one hand and other the other hand many “churches” promoting homosexuality and racism (like Obama’s church) or where one is told they know they “made it” when they can buy a Mercedes instead of when they have repented of all sin and are sold out to serve Jesus.

    There is a famine of the true Word of God in Chicagoland.

    Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD. Amos 8:11

    While my family and I definitely witness for Jesus Christ, there is no “church” nearby I would want to invite someone to (accept to study the Bible in my home). It’s not uncommon for me to drive hundreds of miles to visit a holy spirit on fire miracle working church to strengthen my family and myself in the Lord.

    Powerful blessings to all who look for the appearing of our Lord and are about His business of reaping souls.

  54. Hi Gary
    Thanks for commenting on the use of the word “Leper”.
    When the Bible was translated into English the word “leper” was in common use, so it is not surprising that this is how it reads in the book of Kings and again when Jesus healed.

    When the word in our English Bible is translated as “Leper” it doesn’t only refer to someone who has contracted leprosy, as sometimes it refers to anyone with a skin disease.

    The point I want to make is that “leper” is an outdated word with hideous connotations and has no place in modern English. Use of the word only continues to reinforce the stigma attached to the word.

    Would you want to be called a ‘leper” just because you caught an easily cured bacteria?
    Blessings
    SK

  55. Edwin Aug 9th 2012

    Is there some way that interested people could send some money to these people who help abandoned little girls and raise them as followers of Messiah? A 501c3 group in America that would agree to forward the funds would be nice but not necessary.