-by J. Lee Grady.

We can’t have New Testament power if we don’t walk in New Testament love.

The New Testament church was characterized by exciting miracles
and supernatural anointing, but it was not immune to division. The
earliest churches suffered splits—not only because of doctrine but
also because of bitter personal disputes.

Even the apostle Paul, who modeled Christian affection and
implored his followers to preserve the bond of love, had an
unfortunate disagreement with his close colleague, Barnabas,
early in their ministry partnership.

The exact nature of their argument is a mystery. We only know
that Paul did not want to take John Mark, Barnabas’ cousin, on
his second missionary journey because the young disciple had
deserted the team in Pamphylia. Acts 15:39 says: “And there
occurred such a sharp disagreement that they separated from one
another, and Barnabas took Mark with him and sailed to Cyprus. (NASB)”

We can only speculate about what happened. We know that Mark
was Peter’s spiritual son (1 Pet. 5:13), and it is possible that Mark
took sides with Peter in his awkward controversy with Paul over
the practice of Jewish traditions. Whatever the case, Paul went
one way from Antioch and Barnabas went another. For at least a
season, an effective ministry team was fragmented.

When we piece the entire story together, however, we discover
that Paul and Mark eventually reconciled. In the letter to Philemon,
Mark is mentioned as part of Paul’s team (v. 24). In Colossians 4:10,
Paul says of Mark: “If he comes to you, welcome him.” And in
Paul’s last epistle, he tells Timothy: “Pick up Mark and bring him
with you, for he is useful to me for service” (2 Tim. 4:11).

The story of Paul and Mark is a dramatic picture of forgiveness,
redemption and second chances. An ugly conflict was resolved. A
bitter dispute was reconciled. And a young man’s ministry was
restored after he made an embarrassing mistake.

This is the way New Testament Christianity is supposed to work.
Jesus constantly taught on the primacy of forgiveness, and the
early apostles urged their disciples to keep short accounts.

Paul, especially, asked his followers to soak their lives in love. He
told the Colossians: “Put on a heart of compassion, kindness,
humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and
forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone…
Beyond all these put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity”
(Col. 3:12-14).

That is the New Testament’s gold standard, but what we practice
today falls short. Too often, pastors who parted ways years ago
still don’t speak to each other. The necessity of forgiveness is
rarely preached. Many Christians nurse grudges for years; others
collect offenses like packrats. Many people are wounded in one
church and then move to another – carrying their resentment and
bitterness with them.

What we don’t realize is that unresolved conflict can short-circuit
the power of God in our lives, and it makes the church weak and
irrelevant. Many of us have prayed that the Holy Spirit would
unleash a fresh wave of revival in our midst. But perhaps we need
to ask these simple questions first:

Am I carrying any personal resentment in my heart toward anyone?

Am I still carrying around baggage from previous conflicts?

Have I judged a person because of their mistakes, and determined
in my heart that they can never change? If they are willing to
repent, am I willing to release them?

Has my love for people – especially other Christians – become cold,
artificial and hypocritical, rather than warm and affectionate? If we
want New Testament power, we must also pursue New Testament
love. We cannot expect to reconcile sinners to God if we have not
practiced reconciliation with each other.


Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on October 21st, 2010 at 5:54 pm.


74 Replies

  1. Deb Cooke Oct 21st 2010

    This is a much-needed reminder for the Church as a whole. My husband & I have suffered through 4 splits, in two churches. We have now moved to a third church, and we have been there long enough now, (2 yrs.) to hear the rumbling of disatisfaction of some… there always seems to be an undercurrent of this in an otherwise excellent church…no matter the church you attend!

    It truly is an example of our uncrucified old nature (flesh) rising up to demand it’s own way. Forgiveness and the stopping of gossip seems key. We MUST learn to love our brothers & sister in Christ, and be willing to compromise and discuss differences openly. It’s the ‘secrets’ that kill us.

  2. ruth farley Oct 21st 2010

    What can one say but amen, I have found that when I struggled with unforgivness and bitterness it was always somthing that had been allowed to fester for a long time, but I can testify today that forgvness is not only possible for He ever liveth to make intercession for us, As I cried out to him He removed every root of bitterness, and the freedom I now experience is the sweetest thing I have ever known. I am free to love, and my heart no longer has chains and thorns around it. It is open to recieve and to give. Glory to Yehovah. Let us all strive to enter into forgivness with one another, so the world can see this great love we have for one another and and desire to come into this kingdom of light.

    love covers a mulitude of sins…. let us have unfeigned fervent love, and quickly be willing to forgive, for the sake of this King whom we all love and who commands us to forgive. WE ALL NEED MERCY AND WE WILL ALL NEED FORGIVNESS, SO LET US SOW MUCH FORGIVNESS.

  3. C.Wood Oct 21st 2010

    These days, I wonder if the Lord is not so much concerned about whether we sing or don’t sing, laugh, cry, preach, outreach, etc. but whether we follow the first and greatest commandment. The second commandment is what this article addresses, and where I see most of us stumbling. True, we need a greater knowledge of God’s Word so we can walk in greater discernment, but how quickly – alarmingly quickly – we fall into judgment and evasion rather than mirror God’s heart of love, forgiveness, and restoration. In my opinion, this is far more difficult, maturing, yet effective – than any other ministry ‘project’. Following our Father’s example will bring about the significant worldwide awakening and release the power – His power – we’ve longed for.

  4. swordbearer Oct 21st 2010

    “If they are willing to repent, am I willing to release them?” in other words if I didn’t break it I cannot fix it. Having experienced a tremendous wrong by fellow believers I must and do forgive them, yet I cannot walk with them unless they repent of their wronging me and a continuation of others. We do not know if Mark went to Paul and asked forgiveness in order for the relationship to be restored. If we as believers do not set boundaries to those that harm us, we walk in a permissive love and not a true love that confronts and holds accountable. Christ although loved all condition the relationship.

  5. Raymond Oct 21st 2010

    Obviously there is an element of truth here, but the church has gone way beyond this and actually the article is shortsighted and simplistic,and certainly doesn’t hold up in today’s spiritual climate. Believe me Paul had far bigger problems than his difference with Mark, and in most Christian circles was rejected.He faced false brethren,false doctrine all around him.Smith Wigglesworth spoke of a day he saw in a vision where the gospel preached would be no gospel at all.We live in the day, and the truth is that one must keep one’s own heart free of offense, and let God sort out His own.The Lord Knows who are His, and truth is many times we actually aren’t sure, and will be surprised one day. What is good advice is guard one’s own heart for from it flow the issues of life

  6. There are some minor offenses that are not worth worrying about (said something unkind to me, I loaned him some money and he didn’t pay me back etc.) that can be forgiven without any real break in fellowship. But, I absolutely agree with swordbearer. We forget that the Bible requires repentance for forgiveness. Luke 17:3 says: So watch yourselves. “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and IF HE REPENTS, forgive him”. We have a huge problem with those who went against what the Lord was saying and against His written word and caused division in our Fellowship. Agreed, we must not harbour resentment, but neither can we fellowship together until repentance brings forgiveness and restoration. Paul says: “I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. – Keep away from them”.

  7. HappyTrails Oct 22nd 2010

    And I am willing to wager that you all claim to be WALKING BY THE SPIRIT 24/7 as we are told to in scripture.

  8. 4Jesus Oct 22nd 2010

    That is so true what you said Raymond. In fact, if we hold unforgiveness for anyone within our hearts, Jesus said God would not forgive us in the last verse of Matthew chapter 18, as I understand it.

    The sad part is that many believers seem to have the idea that someone has to ask our forgiveness first, before we forgive them. But if I am understanding correctly concerning what it does say there, we must keep ourselves from walking in this toward anyone at all, whether they do repent or ask our forgiveness. And all will be tempted at times to do so when they feel that someone has hurt or harmed them at all. ‘

    What works for me is to pray according to what is written within 2nd Cor. 10: 5 which is a promise of Gods for all born again believers to ask God to do. As these things begin in the mind to begin with. Then I also ask the Lord to full me up with HIS love for that one in faith, believing He will do so, so that I dp npt end up walking in anything but that toward them. And miraculously, He always does.

    Because anyone dealing with other people are going to get hurt from time to time, no matter who you are.
    And it is those hurt feelings that happen, the devil uses to put the idea of what a bad guy so and so is, in order to cause us to fall into the sin of unforgiveness.
    This does not mean we should be foolish and welcome them with open arms either. Which sometimes many think should be done. But just not harbor or allow the sin of unforgiveness toward anyone at all either.

  9. maizie Oct 22nd 2010

    Doesn’t it seem that the term love has been overused by Christians to the point that it has become a mantra?
    Its a catch all for every wrong done to believers and all the while, obedience to God’s Word is not considered when in fact, love toward one another is derived from the obedience to God’s Word.

    We know that the Lord said that only those who obey His Word will enter the kingdom-Matthew 7:21 so we know that obedience is foundational.
    Isn’t the very act of praying for our enemies endued with love by our Heavenly Father as we are obedient to His Word? Of course it is so.

  10. Roger Souden Oct 22nd 2010

    I do believe we are to forgive… end of story.

    We may not have been asked for forgiveness, the ‘other’ may not have realised they have wronged… even if ‘rebuked’ they might not accept they have wronged.. no matter.

    – to carry that hurt is to say ‘I’ have been hurt, that is of ‘self’ and not of Christ Jesus in us.

    Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

    We are to unconditionally forgive… that is the love of Christ.

    Am I there yet..? No.. but I recognise where only Christ Jesus can take me, and I desire it.

  11. Mrs Luther Oct 22nd 2010

    Is it possible that Mr Grady is missing what may have actually happened here.
    Paul knew this young disciple was not mature enough to go with him in ministry, so he refused to take him.
    That, by mature true ministers, would be considered wisdom, afterall the Word does say to pour into ‘faithful’ men.. To do otherwise was not wisdom in Pauls eyes.
    There may be no record of Paul having to forigve Timothy, as there was no offense taken, it was a case of Paul knowing Timothy had previously proved he was not mature enough to be in ministry with Paul.

    The same happens today when those who claim to be ‘mature’ in Christ can show many signs of being so carnally minded, that they cannot acurately discern another persons walk, and take many ‘guesses’ leading them to error and false accusations..

    So today, would a minister take that person alongside
    in ministry or fellowship, knowing that person (until mature) can cause much havoc, not only to the Body of Christ, or the Lords name, but to the minister also.

    If, today these immature, or carnally minded Christians were set aside until they either matured or
    were proven faithful, we would have less problems in the Body of Christ.

  12. Isn’t New Testament love the ultimate aim anyway-not New Testament power? (1 Corinthians 13) I know this probably isn’t what Grady was saying, but isn’t it clear that biblical love is not a means to an end (power), but is the ultimate goal.

    Seriously, if we have biblical love then power will have its place, but if we are truly Godly it won’t be some spectacular distraction and focus. Paul did not commend the Corinthian Church for being eager for manifestations of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 14:12), but admonished them to seek the edification of the Church.

    It is no indication of holiness that we are wowed by miracles, it is when we truly love God and His people.

  13. Mrs Luther Oct 22nd 2010

    Love is the order of a family also, but when there is an unruly child, the father needs top put that child in order.
    God disciplines those He loves, so why should not we.
    Isn’t that His true pattern.
    Even the gifts are to be given orderly, with self-restraint, if someone in the body is unruly, and causing offense, should they not be corrected and put in order.

  14. Andrew Oct 22nd 2010

    I too believe we are commanded to forgive.

    Unforgiveness absolutely ruins lives and embitters hearts.

    Jesus said on the cross, “Forgive them”

    The people who crucified had not asked for His forgiveness

    He gave it anyway. Let us do likewise


  15. Khandie Oct 22nd 2010

    A BIG AMEN to this article, I agree with this wholeheartedly. It is truly imperative that we forgive one another and withhold no bitterness nor anger in our hearts for in doing so, we hinder the work the Holy Spirit desires to do personally in our lives and unforgiveness blocks the flow of any blessings or desired answered prayer. I personally believe holding unforgiveness and bitterness in the heart, refusing to forgive one another is a sense of pride and arrogance. I wonder how anyone would feel if God suddenly refused to forgive them of their wrongdoings? I know for myself, if the Lord can forgive all my sins, who am I not to forgive my brother or sister or their sins against me….We MUST forgive and love one another! It is imperative!!

    Love this article, praise the Lord for this!!!

  16. Mrs Luther Oct 23rd 2010

    So Andrew
    Does this mean when someone is blocked from this forum when you know they are ‘off’ and need correcting, you will ‘forgive’ them and reinstate them

  17. Andrew Oct 23rd 2010

    I assume you ask this “facetiously” or ‘tongue-in-cheek’.

    But Scripture clearly shows that Deception is a lot different from Sin.

    If my brother “sins” against me then forgiveness is in order.

    But if my brother is promoting Deception in the Body, then I need to see that he has stopped promoting that deception before I can give him access to the Body again.

    Sin and deception are two different things.

    God bless you!


  18. Mrs Luther Oct 23rd 2010

    Yes Andrew I was using that as an example to make a point,

    Paul believed John Mark was not up to ministry, so he refused to take him, later when he was proven he allowed him back into ministering with him.

    I believe Paul would do the same as you did, when
    someone comes into an assembly and ‘needs’ correction, as there is deception, or just plan ‘off’
    in their assesments or ministry.

    The congregation could come to you and say. ‘Oh but you must forgive them, and yet you know they are dangerous to minister to the congreagation.
    Maybe forgivesness when they have themselves had minstry or in fact grown as John Mark did, and then later when PROVEN as being in a place to cause no more havock to either the others or the leaders, then they can be re-instated.

    God Bless you also.

  19. Mrs Luther Oct 23rd 2010

    Andrew John Mark did not sin, he was just not ready for ministry and Paul was not prepared to risk taking him, when he had already proved himself not to be up to the task, having already departed on the first
    ministry trip.

    So there was no ‘sin’ Paul just felt he could not be trusted, he was not ready, or of the standard Paul required of maturity to be trusted to be part of the trip.

    That was a ‘little’ reason, but Paul did know that it is the little foxes that ruin the vine. Pauls standard of ministry was high, but effective and solid.

    So today Paul would definitely put out for a season someone who was needing correrection, not for sinning necessarily but maybe just causing havoc
    therefore not of a standard to minister, therfore dangerous to other in the body.

  20. HappyTrails Oct 23rd 2010

    Deception is different from SIN?

  21. Andrew Oct 23rd 2010


    Sin = Sin

    Deception = Deception

  22. Andrew Oct 23rd 2010

    Not too hard to understand

  23. Charlene L. Oct 23rd 2010

    The reason there is so much hurt in today’s churches is because we do not understand the meaning of “covenant”. The nearest thing we have to knowing what covenant is, is the marriage ceremony. The bride and groom exchange vows (promises to belong exclusively to each other), exchange rings (an outward show of their exclusive relationship to each other alone) and seal their vows with a kiss. Covenant means total commitment to the other person, giving ourselves to the other unreservedly. The New Testament concept of love is not emotional, but rather a commitment to be loyal to our brothers and sisters. Because we have never been taught the covenant concept, we are not loyal to each other, and we do not keep covenant with each other. Look at the relationship between Jonathan and David in 1 Samuel 18. They “cut” covenant with each other, and it was binding even after death. David sought even one relative of Jonathan’s that he could bless for Jonathan’s sake. Scripture tells us that Jonathan’s son, Mephibosheth, who was lame in his feet, ate at David’s table the rest of his life. That is covenant, and that is what is woefully missing in our churches today.

  24. watchful Oct 23rd 2010

    Amen, we do need to walk in love and forgiveness, my only concern is that we might try to do it ourselves, and just end up with the same artificial ways of the false church – oh come on, we all know those fake Sunday smiles we used to plaster on, or do we still? – instead of the way of the Spirit.

  25. maizie Oct 23rd 2010

    Obeying God is a decision that we make several times a day and if we never allowed anything such as disagreements to come between us and God then we would be pleasing to God and useful to Him and to others. Again, in obedience to God the love grows in our hearts.
    Corrie Ten Boom met with her enemy and made the decision to forgive. It was not based on her knowledge of covenants but upon her fear that unforgiveness would cost her her closeness with the her Lord.

  26. watchful Oct 23rd 2010

    Conscious decisions to obey is a start, better to consciously not sin than consciously sin, keeping in mind that our goal is that “Christ in us” walk the way of the spirit, not of ourselves, otherwise things such as self-righteousness and disdain of others not as obedient might arise. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom..amen, but perfect love casts out fear. Wish I could say I was “there”, I’ve only had a couple of rare little tastes of “lying down” and having Jesus do the walking, it felt like a very small child trying to learn to walk, by the Spirit. But it was encouraging to see how it is possible. When I think about it, decision-making is still ‘self’ on the throne calling the shots so to speak, the best decision I can make is the decision to allow the Lord to crucify and judge in me what needs to die, so that He can then be the one doing the obeying.

  27. Sharon Oct 23rd 2010

    It was good that Andrew made that distinction between sin and deception. They are two diffrent things.
    If someone is decieved they are not even able to ask for forgiveness, because they are decieved into thinking they are right. That’s how they lead people into dark pathways.
    And we refuse fellowship with deception, because we are children of the light.
    Forgiveness is given when asked for, that shows acknowledgement of wrongdoing.
    Willingness to turn towards the light. Anyways that is hoped for.

  28. Daniel Oct 24th 2010

    It is simple:
    “But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses” (Mark 11:26)
    One who will not forgive others cannot by in Christ.

    And Mrs. Luther made an excellent point concerning the story of John Mark – no mention of sin, he was just not qualified for the ministry untill later. Evidently he was immature and had some things to learn. If Barnabas had submitted to God’s chosen man – Paul – perhaps he would not have been removed from prominence in the early church (note he is not mentioned any more in the book of Acts).

  29. I still sense that people want the ‘christian church’ to be revived. What if that isn’t Gods plan, but as He prophesied about throughout the OT & NT, that His Church would be removed, the remnant being kept for a greater purpose of His witness in the last days. Revelation is quite clear that the Laodecian church exists but that Philadelphia was mentioned w/o anything against her.

    The Way was not the ‘christian church’, but it morphed into it’s religious captivity over time until the Roman church defined what ‘christianity’ is. Remember too, Protestant christian churches formed because of the ‘protests’ to the control and power of the Roman Church. It was a part of the healing of the Bride to begin her Spiritual purification this way throughout history, and is still being purified today by the ‘exodus’ of believers from their religious captivity in christianity, and into a church where He is worshipped in Spirit & Truth; not by what is defined today by modern laodecian christianity.

    Something to ponder me thinks.

  30. Mrs Luther Oct 24th 2010

    I think some are still not realising we ARE the church

  31. True Mrs Luther, but the definition of ‘church’ is now two different things is it not? We the people are the church, but do we belong to the church under the ‘christian religion’ or do we belong to the church under the Lord, w/o the christian tag? One is Laodecia, the other is Philadelphia.

  32. Mrs Luther Oct 24th 2010

    The 5 fold ministry that operated in the NT is still operating today, whether people will accept it or not.

    Currently those that have been accepted by the harlot ‘gatherings’ are as clearly detailed in the NT ‘false apostles, false prophets, and false teachers.
    How do we know, because they are not producing sons and daughters, and bringing them to matuirty, as not only have they not ‘entered’ into the kingdom within, they have stopped others from entering in also

  33. Cited by Andrew: “Sin and deception are two different things.”

    Both concepts – sin and deception – have in common the issue of willful choice; AND, both use thoughts which become words which become actions.

    Words are the only vessels/containers human beings have with which to convey truth. It is in the use of words where the difference in choice occurs. This will be followed by action/behaviour.

    Deception is a willful, deliberate choice to use of words, either to talk truth, or to mislead and deceive.

    Sin is the deliberate behavioural choice to rebel against the authority of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Creator of everything, over our lives,

    Regarding the church/body “splitting/dividing”; is it not as it should be? After all, what happens at conception? Don’t the fertilized egg cells multiply and divide, over and over again in those first months?

    Regarding “unrest” within the body — is it negative? Can it bring about the “dividing” of the body so that developmental growth of the structure ensues? Or have the cells become 4th century cancerous?

    Have we packed the dynamic God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob into our static human anthropomorphic box, thus limiting Who He is, what He can and cannot do?

    What if from Genesis to Revelation NOTHING has changed? I read in the Hebrew Bible that “I am the Lord, I change not (Malachi 3:5); and in the Christian Bible that He is “…the same, yesterday, today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8).

    Is this not the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Who instructed His family (first born and adoptees) to “love the Lord … with all your spirit, soul (will/mind/emotions) and body, and to love your neighbour as you love yourself” (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18 & Luke 10:27)?

    Is this not the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Who instructed His family (first born and adoptees) to “remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy” (Exodus 20:8)?

    Is this not the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Who instructed His family (first born and adoptees) to keep the Feast Days of the Lord (Leviticus 23)?

    Does the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob long for His family (both first born and adoptees) to keep His Day, keep His Feast Days? Is this the “unity” He longs for? Why is it taking His family (first born and adoptees) so long to gather before Him on the days He specified/chose? Is it my willful choice to disobey rather than to obey?

    Maybe that is the origin/source of all the spiritual unrest and lack of unity within His family?

  34. Mrs Luther Oct 24th 2010

    Yes believer, I love how you use Philadephia, as it has been a personal thought of mine that those who did keep the Word of God, over the last few decades
    were kept from the temptation, when the false ministers were tickling ears, thus deceiving many.

    As in the word when obeyed, washes and santifies us, and is a lamp unto our feet, so that the idoles in our hearts are removed, therefore the things of this world do not tempt us.

    Therefore making the Word true (of course) it will keep us, it will be a lamp unto our feet, and we can trust that, because that is exactly what Jesus said.

    Our problem is do we believe that?

  35. Andrew Oct 24th 2010

    I do not believe that ALL the “5-fold” ministers in the churches are “reprobate”. There are sadly many that are. But some are not.

    They are doing the very best they can in a terribly difficult situation.


  36. HappyTrails Oct 24th 2010

    AMEN! Moll…..Awesome word from God Himself. Thank you Father for being merciful to us and longsuffering with our willfulness. You are pure undefiled love.

    Watchful and Beliver… are right on…keep believing truth and keep separating from the false.

  37. Mrs Luther Oct 24th 2010

    Yes Andrew
    I do agree, I was talking of the harlot church that the false have set themselves up in.

    I agree definitely not all church gatherings are harlot.
    And yes, I am, and have been, for some time in communication on a personal level, with at least a dozen that operate in the true apostolic and prophetic giftings,

  38. oneseekingGod Oct 24th 2010

    I truly believe the article is full of deep truths. But I must say that the Love of God has been overstretched. I believe that sometimes we allow things that should not be in the name of Love. In my experience I have found that God’s love sometimes means we must confront and be diligent about sin.
    To some that may seems as though we are not loving or displaying God’s love. I will not preach to the choir for you know that all through the bible God placed his prophets in postions that did not really seem like love at all. But it worked out with a greater demonstration of God’s love in the end.
    I will say this that if we are truly men and women of God there should be no grudge taking anyway. If we are pastors and ministers and do so…….. then I would suggest that they should read and practice what they preach.

    God love is pure and true but sometimes not being what we think God’s love should be.

  39. oneseekingGod Oct 24th 2010

    correction of error………………………………………………………

    If we are pastors and ministers and do so…..then I would suggest that we should read and practices what we preach.

  40. Wonderful article. Comments sin=sin deception=deception?

    deception is sin.

  41. Deception is sin but it is also wider than that. Deception is a category of sin which we react differently to than other sins. I’ll give you an example…

    If I have a brother who is struggling with the sin of pride I don’t separate from that brother, correct? I try restore them in a spirit of gentleness and try help them kill this sin by the power of the Spirit (John 13 & washing one another’s feet/Galatians 6:1/Romans 8:13). Being proud is not sin that is necessarily an effort to deceive other people. However if someone professing to be a Christian is sinning, not by being prideful but by deceiving others, I deal with this differently…

    I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
    Romans 16:17 ESV

    I avoid them. I don’t avoid the sinning but repentant and struggling brother, I help them. I avoid those who try deceive, I actively expose their works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11).

  42. Mrs Luther Oct 24th 2010

    As quoted by Ryan…
    “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them”.
    Romans 16:17 ESV

    ‘Creating obstacles, and avoiding them’, is something nobody wants to acknowledge today, and if the true apostolic and prophetic giftings were operating, then this would be addressed before it can damage other believers.

    ‘Casting down vain imaginations’ is another, as people can wrongly accuse others, and therfore be a stumbling block, and a tool of satan in
    not only by becoming a false accuser of the brethern ….and therefore needs to be avoided until, this is dealt with, so as not to cause harm in the Body.

    People prefer to just love everyone, and she will be right, although that is not what the apostles did, but they bought correction, and that is why we need the 5 fold to oversee, correct rebuke and bring to maturity, as one day give an account for the souls they oversee.

  43. watchful Oct 24th 2010

    Even well-meaning people who are struggling to do the best they can within the false church are probably in compromise because that’s what the false system does, it forces people to compromise – we can’t be led by the Spirit and by a system at the same time, we can’t serve two masters. If they truly belong to the Lord, then they are unequally yoked at best. If they don’t “Come out of her and be SEPARATE” as the LORD commands, then they will receive of her plagues and be judged right along with the harlot church. The false church can’t be reformed any more than we are called to reform the world – both are appointed unto judgment.

    One analogy might be to think of the oxygen masks in an airplane, how parents are told they MUST put on their O2 masks first before their children, otherwise they will not be able to help those kids afterwards and both could die. Those who are still part of the false church system and trying to “help” those who are in deception from within that system are in fact “dying” due to lack of oxygen – of no effective use to themselves or anybody else. They need to trust the LORD’s instructions, even though their carnal minds might think they know better. Truly, His word doesn’t say to do your best in a bad situation, it says to come out of her. Already it seems they are deaf to that call to come out – and one wonders, why? Because they have not separated from the harlot. No oxygen.

  44. maizie Oct 24th 2010

    Watchful, how can being yielded to the Lord daily (pick up your cross daily-ring a bell?) have flesh in it?
    Daily we suffer the flesh to sacrificial living before God and you say the decision to do so is fleshly.
    I don’t agree with you and think you have changed a simple understanding into a confusing miasma.

  45. watchful Oct 24th 2010

    All I can say is that I’m looking ahead to the day when my flesh is a defeated foe, when I follow the Lord in everything because it has simply become my nature to do so, when I don’t have to make those moment by moment decisions anymore, struggling with what my flesh wants as opposed to what Christ-in-me wants. Sheep dont really make decisions, they just follow their shepherd because it’s their nature to do so, because there is just nothing in them that wants to oppose His will. Do you believe this is possible? I do – because after the cross there is a grave, a passage through hell where our soul is in captivity (Jesus went down into hell and preached the gospel to the captives there) and then a resurrection! We follow Him to the cross, to the grave, through hell, and then into His resurrection.

    He maketh me to LIE DOWN in green pastures. That speaks of complete rest where it becomes true in fact not just in theory, that it is no longer I who live/love but Christ who lives/loves in me. I believe that’s what Jesus died to make possible, maybe we’re on the same page Maizie, but that’s what I’m trying to say, by His grace.

  46. HappyTrails Oct 24th 2010

    maizie…….Before we are born again we have 1 nature, the sin nature…evil, wicked and corrupted…as the Lord has spoken.

    After we are born again we have 2 natures. Our spirit has been born again, made new by Christ’s indwelling us. Our spirit NOW seeks to follow, believe, love, please the Lord.
    BUT, OUR SOUL WAS NOT BORN AGAIN (our soul is called flesh, it is the same old will, mind, emotions we had before Christ) This is why we have a struggle within us….we desire to do good, but we do not.
    We desire to walk by the Spirit of God 24/7, but we slip over to walking by the flesh, MOSTLY OUT OF IGNORANCE TO THIS TEACHING OF HOW TO WALK BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, but mostly because of unbelief. Unbelief is the root cause of why we disobey/sin.

    Therefore, until a follower is TRAINED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO WALK CONTINUOUSLY UNDER HIS AUTHORITY AND RULE…..and no one else’s….then a follower will bounce in and out of the flesh all day… the ignorant belief that they have been walking by the Holy Spirit all day.

    The church institutes are full of these people because of ignorance of sin and how to walk by faith……and the house churches are pretty much the same…..ratio is a little higher in the churches.

  47. watchful Oct 25th 2010

    Thanks Happy Trails, that’s a help to me – clarity, confirmation and even more bread crumbs to follow !

  48. Mrs Luther Oct 25th 2010

    “Therefore, until a follower is TRAINED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO WALK CONTINUOUSLY UNDER HIS AUTHORITY AND RULE…..and no one else’s….then a follower will bounce in and out of the flesh all day… the ignorant belief that they have been walking by the Holy Spirit all day”.

    I agree Happy Trials, and this is why there are elders, and the 5 fold to correct when the sheep are in igonorant belief that they have been walking by the Holy Spirit all day….

    As we all know that if God wanted it to be just ‘us’ and the Holy Spirit, He could have just set up the body of believers and sent the Holy Spirit, and told them to
    listen to the Spirit, and would not have needed to have the elders and the 5 fold to bring all their God given ‘giftings’ to bring the Body to MATURITY.

  49. Mrs Luther Oct 25th 2010

    1 Corinthians 12:4-7 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

    1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.

  50. maizie Oct 25th 2010

    Well while everyone is theorizing “sin” and “flesh”, choosing life is not so complicated; Because if you tell anyone about the gospel it isn’t as complicated as you all have made it. “Choose you today whom you will serve”.
    We all make decisions every day and some of us who witness to teenagers don’t add alot of “church” to it. I do believe God wrote His laws in our hearts. We seem to seriously underestimate how the Holy Spirit witnesses to God’s Word to bring about signs and wonders which is why the church seems to be devoid of the true signs and wonders.
    Its not God who has complicated things.

  51. Mrs Luther Oct 25th 2010


    I think what is seriously underestimated is not that the Holy Spirit witnesses to Gods Word, it is the belief that it is just ‘us’ and the Holy Spirit.

    Does not the Word say were are lively stones being joined together, not separate pebbles.
    The sriptures are endless that portray the body working in unity towards its maturity.

    To think that the finger does not need the hand, only the Holy Spirit, is unscriptural.

  52. Andrew Oct 25th 2010

    A very insightful and worthwhile comment, Mrs Luther!


  53. Mrs Luther Oct 25th 2010

    The Apostles Doctrine-Setting the Order…

    Matt 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. The doctrine given to the apostles is the teaching of Christ.

    Acts 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. All revivals known to man have ceased and then we have hoped for another. Why do revivals that are so powerful from God end up dissipating? All revivals had 3 of the above ingredients and one of them even had the fourth! The early church did not stop praying or having fellowship or even breaking bread. Just as Paul warned, Peter warned and Jude warned, the people of God began to move away from Christ’s teachings (the Apostles Doctrine). The unity of Christ (Christ being the Word of God) began to cease when the doctrine became compromised! This is the cause of the early church departure from God’s power! All the other revivals had a restoration of prayer, breaking of bread and fellowship, but none of them could last because the apostles were missing and therefore so was their doctrine (the teachings of Christ in purity!

    1 Corinthians 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timothy, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church. Paul taught the same teaching or doctrine in every church everywhere!

    **NOTICE how Paul sent Tiimothy and called him FAITHFUL…so the start of this article was Lee Grady
    comments that Paul needed to forgive John Mark …
    whereas, I said I belived there was NO forgiveness needed, as Paul being an apostle with the apstolic gifting KNEW how to set the church in order, and
    that is what is missing today.
    John Mark as not faithful so Paul would not use hiim until he proved himself, because Paul KNEW (because he had the apostolic gifting), that this was how the church was to be based AND BUILT ON.

    Not little pebbles everywhere just with the Holy Spirit.

    When they set out in 2’s, or when they gathered in 2’s or 3’s YES the Holy Spirit was with them, BUT they were sent out from the BODY of many members all who were allusing their giftings to build up and bring to maturity and when this is done on the right foundaitons then we will have unity and maturity.

  54. I can empathize with Swordbearer.
    It is possible to get very hurt in a church and it’s not made any easier when we’re trying to work our way through it, for people to demand that we forgive NOW. It takes time to work it through
    Some things that helped me.
    A deeper revelation of the Cross. That wrong against me had already been paid for. Jesus took it on Himself. Now it’s between Him and the other person. Our sense of justice demands that someone must pay for the wrong doing. Someone has paid! The same Cross that paid for our sins has paid for theirs.

    Jesus on the Cross said “Forgive them Father” but He also added “for they know not what they do” People in the world are in spiritual blindness “the god of this age has blinded their eyes” Christians too are people still coming out of spiritual blindness and they don’t always fully know what they’re doing and how much they hurt us. We can have compassion on blindness as Jesus did. Compassion puts us above the situation

    Forgiveness doesn’t necessarily mean that we have to be close friends with the people who hurt us or that everyone will like us. As long as there’s nothing in us that stands in the way. We can just leave them to Jesus. “As much as lies in you live at peace with all men” We are responsible for our own attitudes but we can’t be responsible for the attitudes of others
    Jesus denounced the religious leaders of the day He called them “hypocrites” “brood of vipers” and they didn’t like Him one bit but He died for them too.

    It helps me to see everyone as someone whom God loves and for whom Jesus died . Therefore they are precious to Him even though they don’t deserve it anymore than we do. Paul said “I have learned to call no man common or unclean.”

    Forgiveness is not a feeling, it is an act of our will. I made a definite act of forgiveness by going to the altar. I wrote the date in my Bible and everytime the Accuser started tormenting me I went to the entry in the Bible and said “It’s been forgiven It’s under the Blood.”He didn’t come around much after that” Val

  55. Peter Lawrence Oct 25th 2010

    Must be a message in season. I put the same message on the forum titled “Unforgiveness” five weeks ago using also the Paul and John Mark illustration. Lots of good personal testimonies followed from individuals on the process of how they were able to forgive others.

    We know we have to forgive. For wounded crippled people its good to hear how others learned to forgive which is not always an easy process. In fact often extremely difficult but a necessity to go forward in Gods purposes.

  56. Dulari Oct 25th 2010

    If it sickens and annoys me…the lack of forgiveness within His people,.His sheep and His Bride then how the Holy Spirit must be grieving.
    C’mon peoples let’s just let go and let God……. ‘n’ get out of His way!!!!

  57. Sharon Oct 25th 2010

    One thing that has helped me in forgiveness is knowing that ,
    ‘hurting people, hurt people’. That helps in understanding that sometimes the hurt inflicted on myself, or anyone else is just because somone is trying to get rid of their hurt, by putting it somewhere else.
    A lot of good input on this from all. thanks.

  58. watchful Oct 25th 2010

    Maizie, I’m a bit out of my depth, hence I might sound a bit convoluted. Happy Trails’ comment brought clarity and precision, at least for me it did.

    A couple of thoughts: The apostle Paul said somewhere (paraphrasing), “I have more to say to you but you cannot bear it now”. There is such a thing as growth, and of course you would only speak to the young what is appropriate for them at their level of maturity. The law is their tutor. But about three years ago the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said kindly, “It’s time to grow up now.”

    The knowledge of good and evil is where we make “decisions”, weighing the good and evil, but the tree of life is where we DEFAULT into life, into the nature and ways of Christ in us. That’s walking by the Spirit, it IS simple, although my poor efforts to discuss it might not be. I’ve only had a foretaste as I mentioned, but I know it’s possible – that’s how Jesus lived. The only time we read about Jesus struggling was at Gethsemane, and possibly when He was tempted in the desert – on the whole His life was lived through the life of the Father, He only did what He saw the Father doing, He and the Father were one, He didn’t “decide” whether or not to be obedient as things came up, He just did it, because it was His nature to follow His Father. We aren’t called to DECIDE, we are called to FOLLOW the Shepherd who alone makes the decisions – big difference there.

    The children of Israel chose life, but sometimes they obeyed, sometimes they didn’t, and in the end their choosing wasn’t enough to conquer their flesh, in fact it puffed it up and they weren’t able to recognize their Messiah when He came. And of course all these things were written down as examples, as parables to teach us. I believe there is a way we can choose life once and for all and no longer be deciding between good and evil all the time. We can live life “lying down”! And this way the new creation (Christ in us) constantly OVERRULES the old man.

  59. watchful Oct 25th 2010

    …If I can just continue with a general thought about the ministry gifts that is being discussed here – these gifts ARE in operation, but when we mistakenly think we are already in possession of the truth and don’t need to grow any further, we are like the Pharisees who could not recognize Jesus, likewise we often don’t recognize Jesus when He ministers or speaks to us through someone, whether pastor, prophet, apostle, teacher, etc. These are not appointed by man, but simply anointed by the Holy Spirit.

  60. maizie Oct 25th 2010

    The Holy Spirit never leads us into disarray. To suggest that the Holy Spirit and the Word of God is not enough is what is unscriptural. Five fold ministries and different members of the body is fine but Jesus is still the head of them or should be. Nothing I have said has conflicted with Jesus being the head and on the throne.
    My whole point in all of my comments is that if we each submit to God daily then “man” cannot muck things up.
    Where things go off the track is when man tries to add his two cents worth and confuse what is really very simple.

    As for what you would speak to teenagers (and I use this age group since they are young, generally unschooled in humanistic apologetics and prone to anger at the hypocrisy around them) I thought the correct answer would be ‘you would speak what God puts in your mouth to speak’.

  61. watchful Oct 26th 2010

    I believe the Holy Spirit can and does lead us into disarray, temporarily, or maybe what feels like disarray to be more precise, for example when He is shaking whatever can be shaken. It can sometimes just mean that our understanding hasn’t caught up with something He is doing or it can occur if we are resisting the Spirit.

    Please don’t be distracted by a little matter of wording, from my earlier point which was simply that meat is not generally fed to babes, or only milk to those that are grown enough to need meat..

    You like simplicity, I like it too, so maybe I’ll just put it in a nutshell then and say it’s an upward call.

  62. Brenda Oct 26th 2010

    HI Andrew thank God for using u to bring out the truth. left my previous church because i stayed with the christians who have hurt me , i forgave them, but moving on to another denomination made things better not to see them again. God continue blessing u

  63. Moll Jesus fulfilled all the Feast Days including the Sabbath. He is our Sabbath Rest. God doesn’t change but His revelation of Himself is an expanding one. The Feast Days were arrows pointing to Jesus. The Holy Spirit teaches us how Jesus fulfilled them. In the Old Testament the people didn’t have the Holy Spirit to teach spiritual truths. God gave them Feast Days, the Tabernacle, and other things which spelled out truths which were fulfilled in Jesus.

    Watchful Amen! The Holy Spirit annoints people for certain ministries. Jesus said “My sheep know My voice” If Jesus is speaking through someone, the sheep will recognize that.There have always been people with Apostolic, Prophetic , Teaching etc ministries. They obeyed the Lord and fulfilled their ministries and didn’t demand titles or submission. Jesus said that the teachers of the day loved to be called “Rabbi”. I’m very wary of self-proclaimed Apostles and Prophets. But if I hear the Master’s voice through someone, I’m all ears
    PS It was Jesus who said “I have more to say but you cannot bear it now. But when the Spirit of Truth comes, He will lead and guide you into all truth and show you things to come”
    John 16 [paraphrase] A key Scripture for today. We are still coming into all truth. Val

  64. Mrs Luther Oct 26th 2010

    Amen Val.
    Watchful if you can find anywhwere in the scriptures to say that people have arrived, I don’t believe you can.
    If you do a word study of Be ye ‘perfect’, and look into the meaning of that word which is spiritually mature.
    Do you think that the bride will be mature, or a baby still needing to be spoon fed.
    Nobody would want to take a bride that was still a baby, especially the God of the universe, I am sure he would want a mature holy woman.
    He said it WAS possible in fact He says it SHALL be so, it is Christians that disagree tih Him.

  65. watchful Oct 26th 2010

    Jesus was perfected, and because He lives in the believer’s certainly the extent that “we” get out of the way, or “lie down” as the scripture says.

    Paul said at one point he did not consider himself yet to have laid hold of it, but perhaps by the end of his life,,if so maybe there is something to indicate that in his later letters. ( I haven’t thought to look for it before now.) John in Revelations, I have wondered if his receiving of the revelation was his moment of the fullness of Christ being revealed in him – He was seeing Jesus from beginning to end, the Alpha and Omega, His fullness. Jesus said: Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. So then, a big YES! and I believe more and more of God’s people will too as this age draws to a close.

  66. watchful Oct 26th 2010

    Mrs. Luther – this is talking about John:

    Jhn 21:20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”)

    Jhn 21:21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”

    Jhn 21:22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”

    There is some mystery here, but I believe that’s what this is referring to! There is also historical information that John had been boiled in oil and yet miraculously lived to receive the Revelation.

  67. HappyTrails Oct 26th 2010

    watchful….I am excited for you! The truth sets us free, yes?

    Keep pressing forward……Keep following Jesus, He is a winding stream of living water.

  68. HappyTrails Oct 26th 2010

    deception IS SIN

    Hebrew definition of DECEPTION

    1) emptiness, vanity, falsehood
    a) emptiness, nothingness, vanity
    b) emptiness of speech, lying
    c) worthlessness (of conduct)

    Greek definition of DECEPTION

    Deceit, Deceitful, Deceitfully, Deceitfulness, Deceive, Deceivableness:
    “deceit or deceitfulness” (akin to apatao, “to cheat, deceive, beguile”), that which gives a false impression, whether by appearance, statement or influence, is said of riches, Mat 13:22; Mar 4:19; of sin, Hbr 3:13. The phrase in Eph 4:22, “deceitful lusts,” AV, “lusts of deceit,” RV, signifies lusts excited by “deceit,” of which “deceit” is the source of strength, not lusts “deceitful” in themselves. In 2Th 2:10, “all deceit of unrighteousness,” RV, signifies all manner of unscrupulous words and deeds designed to “deceive” (see Rev 13:13-15). In Col 2:8, “vain deceit” suggests that “deceit” is void of anything profitable.

    Note: In 2Pe 2:13, the most authentic texts have “revelling in their love-feasts,” RV (agapais), for AV, “deceivings” (apatais).

  69. Mrs Luther Oct 26th 2010


    This is not the only teaching out there, but I found it the other day and was glad this man put it down rather well. Thre may be a better or more in depth teaching, but this is a good start.

  70. Many believers desire spiritual experiences so much, that they are not willing to wait on the Lord for true spiritual experiences. Whenever believers earnestly seek spiritual gifts and some get them and move in them, extremists and occultists move in so that the waters are muddied and many are offended. But this is better than the other extreme of forbidding spiritual gifts and just hearing dry word and having some food and songs.
    When the Holy Spirit moves strongly on some people, their body movements could resemble those caused by kundalini and other ungodly spirits. I say this because there are only a small number of ways that the human body can contort, flail, and collapse. Thus there could be similarities when spirits (Holy or otherwise) exert power through a person. The book, “The Challenging Counterfeit” by Raphael Gasson is good on this subject.

  71. Val writes “Moll Jesus fulfilled all the Feast Days including the Sabbath. He is our Sabbath Rest. God doesn’t change but His revelation of Himself is an expanding one. The Feast Days were arrows pointing to Jesus. The Holy Spirit teaches us how Jesus fulfilled them. In the Old Testament the people didn’t have the Holy Spirit to teach spiritual truths. God gave them Feast Days, the Tabernacle, and other things which spelled out truths which were fulfilled in Jesus.”

    The family of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is comprised of both jewish first borns, and gentile adoptees. It is His family whom He asks to keep His day of rest, the Shabbat, and His Feast Days.

    The issue is to grow into spiritual maturity. This means we learn to voluntarily exercise willfully choosing to obey what the Lord has asked of His children, both jewish first borns and gentile adoptees.

    The death & resurrection of Messiah fulfilled the symbolism of the portion of the Hebrew Bible accounts in only ONE aspect. Accepting of the covering of the blood of the sacrificial Lamb Who was slain” would apply towards atonement, for both the jew and the gentile, and the angel of death would “pass over” us, giving those who accept this covering, eternal life. For the gentiles at that point, the Messiah-Lamb also becomes our “token jew” who formally adopts us into the family of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    If I understand that I am a gentile “wild branch grafted onto” the original tree, THEN I must be careful not to cut myself off from the root! If this gentile wild grafted on branch cuts off the root, this gentile adoptee loses its source of nurturance, and will wither and die.

    So, I, a gentile, accept the covering of the blood of the lamb who was slain for my atonement. I am adopted by “grace” (e.g. the Lamb-Messiah) into the family of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. As a grafted-on, wild gentile adoptee branch, I voluntarily choose to obey what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob asked of His children, to “choose life” (Deut.28/29). By grace, the goal is to grow and develop into spiritual maturity.

    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob waits for his family, both jewish first born and gentile adoptees, to voluntarily keep the rest of what He instructed His children to do. He waits for His entire family to sing His praises, in unity, in ONE voice, on the day He rested, and not on separate days.

    Yes, just like a minority dependent child under the age of majority, you can accept that Jesus is your Shabbat Rest for you.

    Yes, just like a minority dependent child under the age of majority, you can accept that Jesus keeps all the Feast Days of the Lord for you.

    But when will you mature to the place where by grace, you voluntarily obey as your “sacrifice of praise”?

  72. Moll
    “Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.” Colossians 2:16,17

    “One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.”Romans 14:5

    “But now you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire aagain to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.” Galatians 4:9-11

    As I understand it the “spiritually mature” are those to whom Christ is all in all. The feast days and types of the Old Testament are invaluable to help us to understand what we have in Him. If you email me at [email protected] I’ll send you a short manuscript titled “The True Sabbath” if you like. If not bless you anyway. We have liberty in Christ on these matters. Val

    “Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind”

  73. watchful perfection is our legal state “in Christ” “Bu one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified” Hebrews 10:14

    It beccomes real in our experience as we learn to rest in Him. [This is what the Sabbath is all about}
    “knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.”
    [consider it done and receive it by grace through faith.]
    “Likewise you also reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.”Romans 6:6 and 11

  74. Tina Baxley Nov 4th 2010

    What is love? 1 Cor. 13:4-8 says it all.
    Love suffers long and kind. It is not jealous or boastful.
    Love does not behave itself unseemly, nor does it seek her own. It is not easily provoked, and thinks no evil. It rejoices not in iniquity but rejoices in truth. It bears all things, believes, hopes and endures all things. Love NEVER fails.
    Who is love? God is love. Therefore we should display the definition of what He says that love is, since we are created in His image, to do less than this is apostasy.