“SEVEN YEARS to REPENT” – Hurricane Isaac

-by Kelly Ferrari Mills.

I am STRUCK by the understanding of the seven-year period since Hurricane Katrina. SEVEN YEARS AGO, Katrina struck New Orleans during the WEEK OF THE HOMOSEXUAL CONVENTION known as “SOUTHERN DECADENCE.” Now Hurricane Isaac is scheduled to hit New Orleans once again – exactly SEVEN YEARS LATER TO THE DAY (August 29th) on the first day of the “Southern Decadence” annual convention. How much more blatant can the King of the Universe be? He gave this nation a grave warning, and then – according to His great mercy – He gave us SEVEN YEARS to REPENT…

In Hebraic understanding, seven years means “completion.” The
opportunity for repentance is complete, but this nation has not only
refused to repent of this sin, which God calls an abomination
(Leviticus 20:13), but it has greatly encouraged and promoted it,
from state to state and throughout the U.S. military.

The word Isaac means “laughter.”
Psalm 2:4 “He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; the LORD shall
hold them in derision.” Psalm 37:11-13: “The wicked plot against
the just, and gnashes at him with his teeth. The LORD laughs at
him, for He sees that his day is coming.”

I do not believe this means our God is taking delight in wiping out
the wicked (those who reject Him and scoff at His Word) ; but I do
believe it means that He will NOT be mocked, and He WILL prove
Himself to be a God of justice, who does what He says He will do.

Let us be sober-minded, friends, and let us be in much prayer for
this nation as ISAAC churns toward the Gulf Coast… The timing
of Hurricane Isaac with Southern Decadence is a sign that God’s
patience with America’s sin is coming to an end.

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Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on June 29th, 2012 at 4:24 am.

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  1. Michael Strickland Aug 29th 2012

    The Spirit of God within me has been crying out to the Father to work in this hurricane to make it clear to this rebellious society that God is unmistakably dealing with the issue of the sin that is being flaunted rebelliously “in His face”. I’ve been begging God to direct men toward repentance in the midst of this situation.

    I just went to lunch. I got in the car. I happened to have the radio on when I cranked the car (I don’t normally). The radio station was BBN, and it was time for Bible reading. This is what I was hearing when I cranked the car:

    ” Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.
    The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it. ” Jer 30:23-24

    Brethren, God is about to do a work in His great mercy to show His righteous judgments upon wickedness! It is His mercy that brings judgment upon wickedness during this time on earth. When there is no mercy left, men go on undisturbed in their wickedness and are surprised with all of God’s fury at the judgment day. THANK GOD for manifesting such mercy with these hurricanes.

  2. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    That “Southern Decadence” is one of the worst Homosexual events in the world. Very large too. ‘Parading” it in public.

    So sad.

    And yes – inviting the very judgment of God.

  3. Joyfully Saved Aug 29th 2012

    Let’s be frank here. Ok so many of them come against the scripture in Leviticus 20:13, but what about the scriptures that pertains to this in the New Testament starting in Romans 1:24 For this reason God allowed their lusts to control them. As a result, they dishonor their bodies by sexual perversion with each other. 25 These people have exchanged God’s truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen! 26 For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the punishment they deserve for their perversion. 28 And because they thought it was worthless to acknowledge God, God allowed their own immoral minds to control them. So they do these indecent things. 29 Their lives are filled with of all kinds of sexual sins, wickedness, and greed. They are mean. They are filled with envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, haughty, arrogant, and boastful. They think up new ways to be cruel. They don’t obey their parents, 31 don’t have any sense, don’t keep promises, and don’t show love to their own families or mercy to others. 32 Although they know God’s judgment that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do these things but also approve of others who do them.
    No, God is not mocked! This is indeed all very significant!

  4. David Watkins Barlow Aug 29th 2012

    If one wants to read about ‘signs’ you can go no further than “The Harbinger” by Jonathan Cahn. I don’t normally get carried away with a book except “The Book,” but this one, describing 9/11, is truly amazing in its accuracy. Reading about “Isaac” brought it all back to me. Its a new book. In it, he refers to the fact that God does not delight in judgment, but has no option.

    I think we are entering a time of “If they will not receive a love of the truth . . etc.” I do hope I am wrong!

  5. Izak Sadler Aug 29th 2012

    I had a dream about 4 weeks ago , God gave me the following words: Repent and Pra,y over and over. My name is Izak( Isaac).

    God is true to his word and i do intercede for this time!
    We have to intercede!

  6. oh my God have mercy on us – how vile – i had never heard of this before – this is not just a gay pride march – it filth – i pray that there will be repentance – just before i started to write this i heard the words ” there is a bigger one on the way ” – not sure if that is God speaking about a bigger storm. we can not say they havent heard the gospel – we are not talking about a tride hidden away in darkest Africa but a first world country with access to the knowledge of the world and the word of God. i dont wish disaster on them but they will bring it on themselves. have mercy God, have mercy – take not your Holy Spirit from me.

  7. I would strongly warn about reading the book “The Harbinger” by Jonathan Cahn.

    PLEASE, READ BELOW LINKS! http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/newsletters/2012/newsletters20120723.htm
    Controversy Surrounds Jonathan Cahn’s “The Harbinger”

    and

    http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/catalog/item/8321312/9476836.htm
    The Harbinger: Fact of Fiction?

    For Truth,
    Karin

  8. Andrew, the presence and increased acceptance of homosexuality in society IS the judgment of God.

    See Romans 1:

    18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness

    24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another

    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

    28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
    —-
    God’s judgement NOW is expressed in giving people over to the depravity they prefer. He witholds chastisement and gives them what they want, allowing them to store up wrath for the final future judgement.

    Expect an even greater tolerance and acceptance of all manner of perverted things throughout our nations as they are increasingly given over to their lust and depravity.

  9. steve nixon Aug 29th 2012

    I live 45 minutes north of New Orleans. Mostly, I stay out of there. It is now the homocide capital of the usa as well. It is also the voodoo capital of the usa. There’s a lot of evil there /here. The general attitude of the average populace is also very ungodly, unethical. I was here for Katrina. At first, when Katrina hit, I thought “well! That’s God’s wrath upon the evil that is here!” That was my first, and long lasting reaction. Then I sat next to a nun (in plain clothes) and I voiced my opinion. Before telling me she was a nun, she responded to my attitude with reminding me of the words of Jesus concerning the 18 men that were killed at the tower of Siloam: “Think these men were sinners above all? I tell you no, but except you repent, you shall all likewise perish!” America, and the world, as a whole, needs to repent! Not just the most wicked city of all. Far be it from me to in any way defend evil, and I won’t, but I do have to say that my attitude was rather unloving. True, there is evil here, I will even say it’s the worst I’ve ever seen…but there are good people here too. Christians. Brothers and sisters. Is there a message here for New Orleans, even the whole of Louisiana? Yes there is. But it is also one for the nation.

  10. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    It is also one for the Homosexual movement and those that promote it.

  11. TheDude Aug 29th 2012

    Yes, ongoing homosexual behavior is a sin, but it is no worse sin than ongoing other sinful sexual behavior. I certainly don’t condone homosexual behavior, but well meaning folks are so quick to condemn that form of sinful behavior, yet turn a blind eye to pre-marital sex, etc. Where does God elevate homosexual behavior as the worst sin? He doesn’t. Why do folks seem to think God is bringing judgment down on homosexuals, but not on other forms of sinful behavior (sins of pride, idol worship in the form of making “things” more important than God, etc. etc.). God will judge all sin.

    Look at this way. If an openly homosexual couple came into your church, they would most likely be quickly escorted out, but if an openly heterosexual, but unmarried, couple came in, they would welcomed. Hmmm? Food for thought.

    I agree with Steve Nixon. Let us “examine ourselves” and pray for those who have not yet allowed Jesus to be Lord and Savior in their lives. Lastly, let us not take delight in the suffering of others, in spite of their sinful behavior.

  12. This is a vision I had 10 days ago…
    8-18 –>>> Need to make note of vision I saw this morning during prayer. I saw our Lord sitting (not sure on what ~ chair, throne). His feet were up like on a footstool. Something happened on the earth and I kept saying this is not good – O Lord, this is not good. (At the same time, He sat forward on the edge of His seat to watch (like He couldn’t believe what He was seeing). As He moved forward, His foot came off the footstool and landed on earth. Mountains began to crumble; massive waves began to hit the coast. There was devastation all around.

  13. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    TheDude – Very few sins are called an “abomination” in Scripture.

    Homosexuality is one of them. Let us stick with Scripture.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  14. Steve, the tower of Siloam incident is the one we should keep in mind – instead of the atttitude of James and John who wanted to call down fire.

    The issue of homosexuality and its relationship to God’s judgement can be found in Romans 1 as previously stated.

  15. Perhaps Jonathan Cahn didn’t read these scriptures?

    Jeremiah 9:23-24

    Thus says the Lord:
    “Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom,
    Let not the mighty man glory in his might,
    Nor let the rich man glory in his riches;
    But let him who glories glory in this,
    That he understands and knows Me,
    That I am the Lord, exercising lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth.
    For in these I delight,” says the Lord.

    Isaiah 26:9

    “With my soul I have desired You in the night,
    Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early;
    For when Your judgments are in the earth,
    The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.”

    My wife and I are praying for God’s mercy and protection of His people in the midst of His judgments, because He will do exactly what He said and every prophecy that He spoke will be fulfilled.

  16. Well this is troubling — when this came to me in an email from a friend, at that very moment I was on Facebook posting this:

    Last night I was laying in bed and thinking about this, and it occurred to me that this storm hitting Louisiana exactly seven years ago TO THE DAY, might be telling us that the time of warning is over. Seven means completion. And if that’s correct — well as David Wilkerson said in his prophecy before he died, “what’s coming is going to make the most spiritual among us tremble.”

    Oh Lord, we know the time of warning is just about over, Save as many as can be saved, I pray.

  17. debylynne Aug 29th 2012

    amen, brother tim. this is the Word of the LORD…..
    steve nixon, i hear your heart in what you have posted and i agree – this isn’t JUST a warning – a judgment on new orleans or louisiana – it is a judgment on AMERICA – whatever has happened and whatever will…..it is clear to see, though, as andrew has pointed out that this is being CLEARLY EMPHATICALLY directed at the flaunting of homosexuality in the face of a HOLY GOD……..
    i pray for mercy for the innocent – mercy and deliverance in Jesus’ name and i pray that even as more ‘judgment’ comes to this nation that at least SOME will SEE and REPENT…..but, honestly, i keep thinking about what tim said. the very fact that they do NOT repent, that they GLOAT in their sin, IS the judgment of GOD towards them because TRULY TRULY, real repentance is a GIFT from the LORD.

  18. “For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.”

    It’s interesting to see how many things that scripture does declare as abominations.

  19. Danny Richardson Aug 29th 2012

    Why do you condemn the Gay community and the city of New Orleans and then say God is judging America? God loves both but this “judgement” which is about to come is not upon America but upon New Orleans. You lack the depth to see the difference. You’re emotionally caught up in the moment of Judgement. There is currently revival occuring in many places across America. These revivals are God’s blessing and reward. Please differentiate between America and the cities of America. Like Jonah who preached to Nineveh, one city among many in Assyria. You condemn the Prophetic movement for a lack of solid scriptural basis yet you fall into the same theological iliterate trap.

  20. Traveler Aug 29th 2012

    Lets look at this more closely.

    The gay movement is more than just sin in the American context. Normally God will just hand the sinner over to their own delusions awaiting the day of Judgment, but here there is more.

    Sodomy in America is being used as a tool to come against Gods people. The gays have been fashioned into a weapon to be used to destroy Christians. The gay weapon has been used to demonstrate the intolerance of God and the hatefulness of the Christians in such a way as to use this weapon as the justification for the removal of biblical faith from the nation altogether.

    Pastors are going to prison because of the gays, Business owners are loosing their livelihood because of the gays. In the American context we are no longer dealing with a sin of the world, we are looking at a weapon of spiritual warfare. What God is doing here is defending his own and we are only still in the warning stages.

    People are looking at this as Gods judgments but in fact God is simply defending his redeemed and giving them a chance to get their act together, stabilize their nation and push back against the hoards of hell overflowing as a flood to cover the land.

  21. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    Yes – New Orleans gets hit.

    But it is most certainly a WARNING to the USA and other nations in my view.

    I pray it will be heeded.

    Bless you,

    Andrew

  22. Marc Wildman Aug 29th 2012

    Hello

    I always like to take the larger view in terms of judging others, Lord knows I have had my time with it.

    However, before I/we point the ‘big’ finger at all the ‘homosexuals’ down in New Orleans, we also need to realize there are always those ‘preverbial’ four fingers pointing back at us? I say the Churches in America, many, are no different in terms of sinful practices, teachings, and adding and taking away from the Word of God than all those lost sinners down by the sea? I say ‘to much is given, much is required’?

    We are so quick to pray ‘hurricanes’ on the lost but how quick are we to allow the same judgment to come to the steps of our alters?
    As in ‘all’ have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Andrew himself speaks the truth about the Kansas City Prophets and the deluge and sickness that has befallen the Churches worldwide?

    We have all watched while TV Evangelists blatantly sell and profit from the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We watch pastors add to the scriptures all the time, teaching heresy, prosperity and doctrines not even founded on the scriptures?

    I have been removed from forums for saying this, for telling the truth and until believers understand that God is in the business of ‘saving’ and not damning souls, we are only going to reap what we have sown.

    Of course none of us openly support sinfulness but our attitudes should be, ‘how can we enter in perhaps by praying, witnessing, and believing God can save even a wretch like them, me, us, or I’?

    I am sinner saved by grace and everyday I can count the many times I blow it and everyday I need His forgiveness. God is ‘bigger’ than sin and we shouldn’t feel so threatened by these folks that Jesus died for?

    We should somehow learn to love the sinner but hate the sin. Jesus did the hard part, He gave his very life for sinners. He stretched out one hand at a time and yet we cannot also do something to facilitate the gospel in their regard? We cannot pray for His mercy, to send His saving grace and remember his very own words, ‘that He wishes NONE should perish’?

    I am going to pray against the hurricane and believe God can get there before the wind, rain, and bloodshed? I will even believe we, being His hands and feet, can also be there right by His side as He pulls sinners from the sea?

    I say we ban together and pray for a miracle and Revival for the lost souls in New Orleans?

    Anything less and I am not sure we are all talking about the same Jesus?

    Marc Wildman

  23. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    If God sends a hurricane to show how utterly destructive Homosexuality is, and the terrible ETERNAL consequences of it, then isn’t this MERCY?

    Isn’t it MERCY to warn against the actions of wrongdoers – before the whole thing goes off the cliff?

    Bless you,

    Andrew

  24. May I add to the comments. So very clearly the Lord indicated to me recently through a vision. I saw many large sand castles on a beach and the interpretation the Lord gave was as follows. In the next 12 to 18 months there will be a massive tidal wave of filth and perversion unleashed upon the earth, through the internet ,mobile phones, cinema and television screen. This will be likened to a tsunami that will cover many continents with its damage to the minds of men and women. The sandcastles were many of our large denominations and already there are Gods people who are addicted. They walk in shame and helplessness and secrecy unable to break this stronghold. Pastors and leaders must bring the people to a place of confession, repentance and restoration without fear of condemnation by the religious heirachy who claim they are without sin. The chains of bondage wil come off in His Name. If not addressed these sand castles will be washed away when this tsunami hits and many sheep will be further attacked by the waiting wild beasts. When a nation denies the sovereignty of God by allowing abominations such as homosexuality, same sex marriage, gay parades, abortion, no marriage contracts and all manner of uncleanness etc. He, because of the holiness of His nature would have no choice but to take His hand of protection from the nations who deny Him. I do not believe God causes these natural catastrophes but they come because the earth itself is groaning under the weight of its sin, the upheavel must come and of course it has been foretold that these things would come upon the earth.

  25. Ibelieve Aug 29th 2012

    Sorry I don’t understand what is being implied here.

    Is someone stating this is a prophecy from the Lord, that is going to happen soon?

    I did not quite understand the article fully, and I have not been keeping up on this hurricane situation.

    Thanks for any clarification.

    Lord Bless,
    Gary

  26. For now we see in a mirror dimly…(1Cor 13:12)
    How come San Francisco seems to be doing ok?
    How God judges is his business.
    Let’s make sure there isn’t a beam in our own eye!!

  27. Andrew wrote:
    “””Very few sins are called an “abomination” in Scripture.”””

    Thank you for posting this. I had never considered those exact words before, “abomination”. You are correct. I am going to do a study on this topic with the greek root to see how God really thinks about the level of sin. I had always thought like the other poster that sin was sin, but God does call that particular sin an “abomination”. Thank you for pointing that out.

    I do believe we are going to see greater judgement in this nation than we have in the past. We have sown seeds worthy of the harvest of evil that they will bring. I hope, pray, that the body of Christ is just crying out for mercy for our nation. But even with mercy, we need to have the land vomit out evil. It is just too evil here now. We show so little reverence for the ways of God. His mercy is so great, but we still must reap the harvest to what we have sown. There is not way around that because God is not mocked.

  28. Philip Vermaak Aug 29th 2012

    One has to wonder for just how long is the present day “church” prepared to go round and round the mountain with the same old rhetoric and never get to the point of realizing the truth of the word of God and the accuracy of biblical prophecy. For instance 2Chron. 7-14

  29. booter Aug 29th 2012

    This makes me think that this 7 year-cycle may be a form of a ‘humanistic Statute of Limitations’? or the devil’s ‘year of jubilee’? or possibly the outside time limitations of mankind’s ‘Fear of GOD and Retribution from on High’?

  30. Andrew,
    All sins are tamai(unclean) to the Lord. The difference is that this time we have asked for judgment, and the Lord will give us what we asked for.
    Consider: Jonathan Cahn proves a true Shmitah cycle, matching Elul 29. Mark Biltz proves a true Jubilee cycle with his blood moon tetras cycle. Can I reason 2015? Yes, look at Joseph & David at 17 and then calculate Jesus at 17 at 15 Ce.

  31. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    Hmmm

  32. My own “prediction” – if the hurricane misses God’s target of New Orleans there will be no repentance from those who currently announce God’s impending judgement.

    Deja Vu all over again and no lessons learned.

  33. You want to talk about heavy duty sin, start reading at Psalm106:26 go to verse
    31.
    How would you like to be Phinehas?
    Intervene Church!!!!!!!!!!

  34. Andrew do you, or does anyone here know of any genuine, long term and tested prophets anywhere in the world today? It seems like genuine prophets have not been replaced as they die. The last one I knew of was Dick Mills who is now with the Lord.

  35. Ibelieve Aug 29th 2012

    Onesimus (Tim)

    Well you seem to be the only one here not worked up in a frenzy. :)

    I just checked the weather channel and this is not even going to come close to Katrina. Hurricanes hit New Orleans all the time, in fact we road out a hurricane in Sarasota Florida once and it was just like a bad rain storm.

    Why is everyone worked up in a judgement has arrived mode?

    Lord Bless,
    Gary

    Deuteronomy 18:22
    when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

    Its better not to make everything a judgement call unless your for sure its the Lord.

  36. When I heard the name of this storm, I was struck with concern. I remembered that Isaac meant laughter and the thought came to me that God laughs at the wicked. I’ve been praying for this nation, repenting in prayer for myself and us as a people. God is not mocked. Before Katrina hit New Orleans, a pastor went to the city council trying to tell the council that their festival would bring the judgment of God on them. They laughed at this pastor then. I’m sure they weren’t laughing after the that storm hit 7 years ago. Here we are 7 years later, this time the Lord is laughing. His judgments are just and righteous and holy. We need to pray for His mercy. Oh that this nation would repent, from the top on down.

  37. TheDude Aug 29th 2012

    Andrew: “Let’s stick with scripture.” I think that’s an excellent idea. I’ll just bring up one example of other “abominations” (do a word search – there are several mentioned). Let’s take a look at Deuteronomy 24:4. If we follow that literally, it says that a husband can divorce his wife if she is found to be unclean in his eyes. If she later marries another man (which she is allowed to do), that man dies, then wants to return to her first husband. She can’t because – – – guess what? Yup, that would be an “abomination” to the Lord. I’m going to venture a guess that there have been situations like that, in fact I know of a few myself. So I guess that old nasty hurricane to New Orleans is going to take care of those folks as well.

    You see, we have to be very careful when we start cherry picking verses to support our position. As I’ve said, I am not condoning homosexual behavior, nor am I condemning the homosexual. God hates the sin, not the sinner.

    What say you to a man who openly says he is attracted to other men, but knows its sinful, and therefore asks the Holy Spirit to lead him to lead a celibate life? Many would still condemn that man, although I don’t think you’re one of those. Its how we respond to our sinful temptations that matters.

    The way I look at it, all of us have sinful ways. In fact, truth be told, all of us actually love our sin or we wouldn’t be doing it or tempted to do it. Our sin makes us feel good. Anybody who denies is this is just plain not telling the truth.

    My point is that God hates it when any of us give into our sin, whether it be a homosexual act or acting in a worldly or self centered way. For example how about the commandment to honor your father and your mother. Are we at times guilty of violating this commandment? If so, why don’t we talk about God’s judgement raining down on those people? The list could go on and on.

    I stand by my original point that I’m growing weary of well meaning Christians jumping on the anti-homosexual bandwagon while ignoring the multitude of other sinful behaviors out there. If they are unbelievers they are doomed to hell regardless of whether they are a practicing homosexual, or are upright, moral, law abiding, patriotic, clean eating, married to one woman for life, kind of people. Without accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, the result is the same – an eternity in hell.

    That is my main point and I stand by it.

  38. Interesting how the timing of God works out. Seven years to the day.

    Went on-line to read about Southern Decadance. I wouldn’t want to be part of that.

    Read a bunch of replies to a person who wrote a very similar article as Andrew did here. Let us say that they were mocking God for not having destroyed the ‘gay’ parts of New Orleans during Katrina. I don’t know if this would necessarily be considered ‘Christian’, but I had to pray and ask God to let the mockers know there is a God in Heaven.

  39. Amen Gary – if only more people paid attention to the warnings about taking prophecy too casually and weren’t so quick to speak “for the Lord” things that He has not said.

    We’ve seen it so many times before and no one seems to want to take personal accountability for their statements when they are later proved false or innacurate.

    Natural and financial disasters – we’ve seen so much of it you’d think a few lessons would be learned. But no – it’s drop the last (failed) thing and move onto the next and hope people won’t notice.

    The Dude – I have a homosexual follower of my blog who recognises the sin of homosexual acts and has therefore commited himself to a life of celibacy. Many would still condemn him for being attracted to those of his own sex (something beyond his control).

    And yes, there are many things described as “abominations” in scripture.

    I gave one example earlier:
    ““For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.”

    To me that example seems to cover a very wide territory.

  40. Madeline Fisher Aug 29th 2012

    (To Marc Wildman: Praise the Lord! Thank you for your comment!)

    Hurricanes, earthquakes, and all the rest are the Braxton-Hicks contractions that precede the actual process of labor in child birth—in this case, the return of the Lord. (Birth pangs)

    While everyone is praying for destruction and damnation to strike the homosexual community, Jesus continues to call to every one of them to forsake their lifestyle and come to Him. And if destruction and damnation strike the homosexual community that is gathered in New Orleans, will He carefully sort out the true believers and their families that live there? I sure hope so! I have friends and family in the Lord that live there!!!

    We can read something majestically spiritual and judgmental into anything we choose. Seven years. Okay. And tomorrow is another day and the beginning of seven years more. Then what?
    Must we be so busy condemning and accusing that we forget that we are not in charge of anything but to keep our own noses clean and be true ambassadors for Jesus Christ? Where is the LOVE???? What about John 3:16-17?

    And what about 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    When Jesus died on that cross, His blood paid for every sin ever committed by mankind—past, present, and future. THE sin that sends people to hell is refusal to accept Jesus as the Christ of God. I have no concept of the depth of His love or the extent of His grace. That is His to determine. But we need to be careful that we do not call God a liar!

    When the Last Trump sounds and Jesus descends, there will be judgment—make no mistake about it!!!!! And no one will be speculating, guessing, or meting out grand ideas on how and why punishment should be accomplished. EVERY KNEE shall bow and EVERY TONGUE will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Jesus will return at the time appointed by His Father and none of us knows when that will be. It behooves us all to live for Him and let Him have His say and His way. We need to take care of the Giant Sequoias is our own eyes and let Him take care of the rest.

  41. I believe that God is in the business of saving individuals and not nations as in whole countries. When God refers to nations, I believe he is referring to the nationalities of those nations. All of those who bind, loose and try to stay the sovereign hand of the Lord are venturing into divination. The Lord has given me two particular chapters and I believe he has confirmed that judgment is set and there is no averting it. In this case, 2 Chronicles 7:14 no longer applies. God has appointed four sore judgments and even if Moses, Samuel, Noah, Daniel, and job were in that land; his heart could not be toward this people. God has promised that it will be well for the remnant. (See Jeremiah 15 and Ezekiel 14.) God bless!

  42. Rob,
    2 Chr 7:14 has never applied to any nation other than Israel.

    I have now addressed this “Isaac” issue on my blog in more detail than is appropriate in comments here.

    http://onesimusfiles.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/another-christchurch-prophecy-deja-vu-all-over-again-with-few-lessons-learned/

  43. http://fulfilledinjesus.blogspot.com/2011/09/are-disasters-gods-judgments.html

    It just doesn’t fit. It seems to fit in an Old Testament kind-of-way, but the judgments of the Old Testament related to the Old Covenant. Now that the Old Covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus, the testimony of the Old Covenant is completed; it is no longer the standard by which God judges the nations. Now the Holy Spirit convicts of sin using the Cross of Jesus Christ (John 16:8-11). Now instead of judging nations to draw us to Christ, God uses the Cross to bring “all mankind” to Christ (John 12:32).

    Today, when charismatic ministers/prophets proclaim that this or that event was a judgment, they do not proclaim the gospel, the Cross, or the New Covenant. It has virtually no relation to Jesus Christ at all. Instead the reasons they point to are usually some kind of sin in the nation (neverminding that other “unjudged” nations have those sins in greater abundance) or a nation’s failure to support the modern state of Israel. In other words, when charismatic ministers/prophets proclaim these things as judgments, they do so operating from the understanding of the Old Covenant, not the New. They are looking through shadows, not in the light. They still believe that God relates to the world through the Old Covenant, and they don’t understand the New.

  44. @Ramon- The book of Revelation is full of the judgments of the Lord. The seven last vials/bowls are his wrath summed up in full measure. The only way one will not be judged is to have the blood of Christ upon their doorposts.

    Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Besides that, many of the prophecies of judgment in the books of the prophets still apply. The only way it will not touch you is if you have on the white robes of the righteousness of Christ. Psalm 91 is a promise but only to those who dwell in the secret place of the Most High. Judgment is surely coming.

  45. @Rob —

    Read the full article. Judgment is coming, but not to “them” first. This is why we should be more concerned about the RNC than what the ‘sinners’ are doing outside. In the same way, Judah was looking for judgment against its enemies, but Christ came to them first, and they received judgment before “Rome” did. We are comfortable with pronouncing judgments at sinners, but the gospel says that the arrow is pointed the other direction.

  46. See also something my friend in D.C. last year a couple weeks after the Tohoku disasters in Japan: http://jesuslovestohokuart.blogspot.com/p/where-is-god.html

  47. Linda Sio Aug 29th 2012

    Over and over I hear “God hates the sin not the sinner”.

    Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
    Psa 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

    Hmmm—it seems that God does abhor (strong dislike), hate
    some men. Does this contradict scripture? No, Christ died that all men might be saved. But—–it seems that there are some who are so wicked, so evil, so unredeemable by their own choice, so in love with their sins, such haters of God and goodness that at some point God can’t stand them anymore. Just like He came to strongly dislike and desire destruction of His own creation because of what we made it through evil that He brought a flood.

    At some point God has had enough. Long suffering, patient sure, He has endured thousands of years of sinful mankind. His day is to us as a 1000 years. At some point He will keep His Word.

    Why do we assume that under the New Covenant we are not subject to His judgements? Isn’t that the same as correction, rebukes, chastening???? So many of the prophetic judgements have not even been fulfilled yet anyways.

    Of course God desires mercy not judgment and does not delight in our destruction. But He is the same today, tomorrow and forever.
    He does make judgement still, He does correct and hotly chasten. Those He loves get chastened as well as the wicked proud who get rebuked and even punished—they
    do call it gay pride.

    This hurricane a warning? Yes. Total destruction of New Orleans, doesn’t look like it this time. They are reaping what the have sown, the whirlwind.

    I see it this way, our sins are so abominable and ugly that God has to turn His face away, He can’t stand to look upon us. So maybe that is when we lose His protection, blessings, favor. I would rather have His countenance shine upon me. Goat nations, I pray we are not one of them at that point.

    As far as San Francisco, the seat of satan’s church, and a city full of all kinds of wickedness—it will not stand forever.

    Brethren, we must understand the full counsel and character of God, not just the blessing and forgiveness part, but the wrath, judgements and anger part too. Christ is given for those to accept His sacrifice for their sins for forgiveness. To those who reject, they are reserved for God’s wrath.

    Linda Sio

  48. @Ramone- Oh yes, judgment most certainly begins with the house of God. Also, the harlot church’ flesh will be burned with the fire of the beast. (Revelation 17:16) The harlot is not just RCC but all denominations of Babylon; RCC included. Nevertheless, this does not mean that sinners are excluded from God’s judgments which manifest in the earth. And might I add that the prayers of the saints are mixed with the fire of the altar and cast unto the earth thus releasing God’s judgments.

    Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
    Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
    Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
    Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.
    Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
    Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

    There is goodness and severity with God. Many see the beauty of the affections of the Lord and swing so far to one side of the pendulum that they forget that he is coming with flaming fire; he is also a God of wrath.

    Psa_2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

  49. Come Lord Jesus.

  50. The Dude-
    Thank you for your posts. I agree with you on every issue here. The Bible makes mention that if a man/woman lusts in the mind, he/she has already committed the act of adultery. God sees ALL sin as an abomination. He is HOLY, so how can He look at one sin as worse than another, when He is so Holy that He can not look upon sin at all?
    I, too, do not condone homosexuality. However, I get so tired of seeing/hearing CHRISTIANS, of all people, acting as though they are spotless, and without sin, when the Bible says that we all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
    I know of many homosexuals, and have a good friend, who was delivered several years ago from the bondage of homosexuality. He, too, does not have compatible feelings toward the female gender, but he tells everyone how much he loves Jesus, and how he is continuously being changed into the person that God wants him to be. My own son lives a homosexual lifestyle, even though he was saved at a very young age. The devil stole his youth from him, but I have the faith to know that God will tug on his heart until he once again will walk in the light of the Almighty!
    It hurts me to hear people speak in such a judgemental way toward homosexuals! It is my firm belief that there is a reason that God has allowed such a movement of homosexuality upon this earth. Could it be that He is testing the “Christians” to see who is truly WALKING in the LOVE of the FATHER??? Perhaps, if we would show more love toward the homosexuals, we would see this movement turned around and hear about many of them giving their hearts to the Lord, instead of just an occasional few, as is the case presently.
    Also, I do not believe that it is ONLY HOMOSEXUALS who are mocking God, as many have stated here. Any time we commit a sin, and do not repent of that sin, we are mocking God.
    These are my thoughts, and I realize that everyone has their own interpretation of the Word of God. But, I do think that too many people these days walk in complacency, and speak out in judgement against the sinner, when they should be reaching out with love and compassion.

    God bless you all,
    Carol

  51. There is all manner of darkness in the world, and what happens with “sins” in the United States is only a small part of what goes on elsewhere in the world, often in much greater measure. The greatest danger America has is not from the sinners, but from the church losing its heart and soul. The darkness is dark, but what if the light loses its light and becomes as the darkness?

    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/2012/08/nationalism-great-apostasy.html

    The American church is in a time of great apostasy, and her testimony to sinners and to the world is not the gospel of God’s grace in Jesus Christ, but rather conservativism, capitalism, and the righteousness of America as being founded by God. The teachings of Christ are not welcome (loving enemies, loving the poor, keeping Caesar and God separate, etc.), but His name is professed and used to declare ‘judgment’ on sinners outside.

    “Sinners” outside of the church in America need prayer, love and grace. But the greatest spiritual danger is not from “outside”, but from inside. Just as Judah’s greatest danger in Christ’s time was not “Rome”, but the sin in their own hearts.

    As the Word of God was sent to the lost sheep of Israel before going to the Gentiles, in the same way today God is sending His witnesses to His wayward people in the church before He deals with the nations.

  52. Vic Hinds Aug 29th 2012

    If Katrina was the warning, with enormous destruction, then Isaac the penalty, will need to be totally destructive if its from God as you say. Don’t you people realise God sent His son for sin not a hurricane. He no longer destroys in the manner of yesteryear. To do so, is to deny Christ and to revert to the law. We are in the church age. To save New Orleans, go there and preach Jesus and His salvation.

  53. Vic Hinds:

    “Don’t you people realise God sent His Son for sin—not a hurricane. He no longer destroys in the manner of yesteryear. To do so, is to deny Christ and to revert to the law. We are in the church age. To save New Orleans, go there and preach Jesus and His salvation.”

    Amen!

  54. Dave S Aug 29th 2012

    So a loving God has to send Hurricanes to destroy Life to bring people to repentance. How sad that Christians lose sight of the love of God that should compel us to take the message of Jesus. This Old Testament punishment for Sin reveals how hard your hearts have become, and makes God an indiscriminate murderer, I doubt that message understands Saved by Grace alone.

  55. Rob ZionFreak Aug 29th 2012

    Some of you must have ripped the book of Revelation out of your Bibles.

  56. @Rob

    No, but the foundation of Revelation is the testimony of Jesus and His commandments— as John says elsewhere, “Believe on Christ and love one another as He commanded us.” If these are not the foundation of our reading Revelation, then we will read it through veiled eyes, through the lens of the Old Covenant.

    http://weeping-jeremiahs.blogspot.com/2012/05/foundation-of-revelation.html

    A picture of this is the four living creatures, each representing an aspect of Christ’s ministry.

    He is the King who is strong & mighty like a lion;
    He is the One perfect in works like a yoke-bearing ox;
    He is the Son of Man who sympathizes with our humanity;
    He is the Prophet who sees all and cries out like a flying eagle;

    …but at the center of the throne He is the Lamb who was slain!

    At the center of the throne is the ultimate representation of who He is — the Lamb, the image of His sacrificial agape love who laid down His life for those who were His enemies. God IS agape love. All of the other aspects about Him are true, but they bow and give honor to “The Lamb”.

    Therefore it is only through the Lamb that the scroll of the prophecy is able to be understood. Only the Lamb can remove the seals.

    When His people remove the Lamb from the center, all sorts of abuses happen. And so the four living creatures –with the Lamb at their center– testify to four stages of abuse that have been committed in His name, when those who began among His people set out with an aspect of His truth but without Christ and His agape love as their center.

  57. (The four living creatures testify by announcing the first four seals.)

  58. The God of the old testament is the same as the God of the new testament.
    His response to sin has not changed and His demands of man haven’t changed.

    What HAS changed is the access He has given to Himself through Jesus.

    One of the main ideas expressed in the opening article and many of the comments is God’s judgement related to homosexuals.

    I wonder why homosexuals tend to be singled out for judgement by so many in the church and yet those who regularly “prophecy” this impending judgement are never held to account afterwards when the promised judgement doesn’t happen.

    Instead they are are followed again when their next predictions are made.

    Is God any more tolerant of those who claim to speak His judgements (when He has not spoken) than He is with homosexulas or any others who continue in sin?

  59. This is the first time I have ever responded to any internet site. I have only two observations: Let us look back in a few weeks’ time to the comments posted here, and measure the “accuracy” of the prophetic words of destruction quoted by our prophets, and compare them to what actually happened. There have been so many meaningless “prophetic” predictions recently in the media and on blogs – and yet no one has the guts to stand up afterwards, when nothing happened – and own up to false prophesy.

    The other comment concerns the “God loves the sinner, but hates the sin” comment. Linda Sio and and one other reply touch on this. Surely the following quote says it all:
    “I don’t believe there is a man on the whole TV that preaches salvation. They preach forgiveness. Forgiveness is not salvation. They point out “there’s a man in bed with some other mans wife in a Motel’. “Oh you know the Lord loves you just as you are.” Well then why get changed? Commit adultery as much as you like. He still loves you. Be a cheat, be a liar, be a thief, and be a failure. He still loves you. But there’s a scripture. Isn’t it the Psalms 7….where it says “God is angry with the wicked every day.” I heard somebody quote today “God loves you but hates your sin” that’s bunken. God hates you for committing the sin. Is God going to take your sins and judge them at the Judgment and leave you alone?” Leonard Ravenhill

    In spite of our disagreements, bless you all for reading, and staying together through this site.

  60. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    ANDREW STROM REPLIES-

    If you go and actually READ the word at the top of this page which we published today, you will see that it makes NO STATEMENT AT ALL that this hurricane would destroy New Orleans or even that it would be as big as Katrina. When I published it, I knew this already. By then it was clear that this was simply a Category 1 Hurricane that was about to make landfall near New Orleans.

    The big points that ARE made by the above article are as follows-

    -This hurricane is hitting New Orleans exactly 7 YEARS after Katrina – to the DAY.
    -This is the same day that “Southern Decadence” is set to begin – one of the biggest and most outrageous Homosexual events in the world.
    -The same Homosexual event was hit by Katrina, exactly 7 YEARS AGO.

    These are the ONLY major points raised in the above article. It is not a “prophecy” as such. It is simply a WARNING pointing to the amazing parallels and their MEANING.

    Does God send judgments upon the earth today? The book of Revelation makes it clear that HE DOES. In fact, He does so more in the Last Days than EVER BEFORE.

    God bless you all.

    Andrew Strom.

  61. At present in New Zealand there is an attempt (which looks likeit will succeed) to change the law to allow gay marriage. We already have civil unions for gay people here. I have heard the people who are pushing for this bill say that this is just the beginning and that they will be fighting to have polygamy legalised and sibbling marriage etc.
    I fear for our country and the way that people thumb their noses at God.yes it is not only homosexuality that is sin,their are many sins that grieve God (infact of course all sin grieves God). God does extend grace for a time but he has also told us in his word he is going to judge. Judgement is Gods loving mercy to bring us to repentence for he is not willing that any should perish, hell is the punishment for those who wont repent.
    It is very difficult to see the way society accepts so much that was not really tolerated as acceptable as little as 30 years ago.
    As others have said “GOD have mercy.”

  62. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    Amen, Anne.

    The devil is using the Homosexual issue as the “leading edge” of his agenda to push depravity into the mainstream more and more – and to push God’s ways back and back.

    Christians who think this is “no concern” are deluded.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom.

  63. Well that’s a confusing lot of comments, Prophesies etc
    What happened to simple faith.
    Sin IS th transgression of God’s law.
    RIGHTEOUSNESS exalts a nation ( not just the USA there are other countries in the world in case you have forgotten !) BUT SIN IS A REPROACH.
    I agree with Anne “It is very difficult to see the way society accepts so much that was not really tolerated as acceptable as little as 30 years ago.
    BE FAITHFUL

  64. Peter Sharpe Aug 29th 2012

    This is as much nonsense as the first rush to pronounce judgement was concerning Katrina and the “reasons” for that event.

    Frankly, I think the Lord would have somewhat better geographic and demographic accuracy in His delivery if he was *really* going to “judge” something in the way that is being suggested here.

  65. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    You mean the relationship with America’s most depraved Homosexual event is just a “coincidence”? Both times?

    Seven years apart to the DAY?

  66. Brother Amartey Aug 29th 2012

    Lord, let your judgement come upon this vile sin ! Yes, there’re many other sins, of adultery, fornications, abortions, etc, but this homosexual thing is like flaunting sin in God’s face and it’s getting worse. Please let your judgement come upon this abominable parade, but above all, let repentance come upon this nation and please send revival without further delay. Lord let Your kingdom of righteousness come !

  67. Is it Gods judgement? Or simply the fact that We reap what We sow? I’m from Toronto Canada and a few years ago they started allowing gay marriage here. I’m still waiting for a tidalwave to hit from lake Ontario even though I live 5 minutes from the lake. If I’m right with God I have no worries. Amen!!!

    We must continue to Pray

  68. Ibelieve Aug 29th 2012

    Judgement is going to begin in the house of God.

    The sin going on in the church world is no lessor sin then what is going on in the world.

    I know nothing of this event in New Orleans which I agree is an abomination, except what has been shared on here. But I think they have these events in a number of countries in the world. Brazil in South America is one area that I have heard about.

    New York City has a gay parade which I have been told that every imaginable evil takes place in the streets and the police look the other way.

    The whole world is immersed in Sin and evil its just now we know more about it through the media.

    Can we say one sin is greater then another sin?

    Sin is sin.

    Lord Bless,
    Gary

  69. Peter Sharpe Aug 29th 2012

    If you wish to believe that the carnage poured out onto multitudes of (mainly poor and non-gay) people who just happened to live in the wrong town where “gay stuff” was happening was a “just judgement” or warning, then God have mercy.

    I’d be slightly more convinced about catastrophic events “judging the sins of America” if there were targeted stealth hurricanes that took out Wall Street, the Pentagon and the Whitehouse.

    I realise, though, that there is no possibility of rational discourse on this subject, so that’s my contribution for now.

  70. Christian journalist Aug 29th 2012

    2 Chronicles 7:14

    If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

    This is not only for Israel but to the christian church which has been grafted on

    Here in the UK, the christian church has ignored REPENTANCE and with the nation. Time and time again there has been a call to REPENTANCE.
    What we have instead is DISOBEDIENCE and mocking Almighty God. And it will go from bad to worse as the END TIME progresses.
    If people cannot see the wood from the trees and listen and obey the Word of God and His instructions, the blood is upon those who think they know better.
    Time and time again Almighty God has given His warnings. And time and time again people do not take heed.
    The Scottish Parliament has endorsed same sex marriages and homosexuality. The British Prime Minister is on the same course to do likewise and in line with countries of the EU, mentioning one country such as Spain.
    Politicans and christian leaders may say “that we are all in it together” exclaiming the financial crisis in GB and the EU. What they do not explain is why? And folk cannot keep blaming the bankers. It is immorality, greed, at the want of becoming prosperous at the expense of others, plus mocking God and using the name of Jesus, that has taken hold of society resulting in the JUDGEMENT OF ALMIGHTY GOD.
    There will be no world wide revival which so many christian leaders proclaim but a falling away from our Heavenly Father and His word.
    Hurricane Issac is part of His judgement to the USA. The mess with GB and the EU has got itself into is part of His judgement too.
    MARANATHA!
    The Lord bless all who are listening and acting upon His word.
    For Jesus is coming soon to wed His bride, the Body of Christ.

  71. Stephen St. Louis Aug 29th 2012

    Whether you believe it is God’s Judgement or not is no where near as important as how you react to the damage any natural disaster causes. If you point and condemn, all you do is make a mockery of Grace and render it meaningless.

    If, instead, you offer a helping hand and the Love of Christ and in the name of Jesus, you exemplify Him. Maybe then they might listen to you about their sin and turn from their wickedness and repent. Jesus didn’t tell the woman accused of adultery to go and sin no more until after he had rescued her from her accusers.

    If another “Katrina” hits, I will do my best to be down there helping. I’ll leave the Judge to do His thing and it won’t matter to me if they are gay or not.

    I’ll keep my opinions about homosexuality to myself since they are just that, my opinion.

  72. Amazing, this sort of thing actually strengthens the faith of believers, as it is masde clear God is the same today, yesterday and forever and sovereign. I expect, hope that some in the homosexual community will turn to God due to this, maybe at a later date, although the stubborness to sin seems very powerful.

  73. If even Christians ignore this as a sign tho (see above) then I guess most unbelievers will too.

    It is sad tho that in any corparate judegement innocent individuals are also effected, but in times of blessing on nations the opposite is true.

  74. Hallo Stephen St. Louis – 3 above; The word of God reveals Gods opionions about homosexuality, which are just that Gods opionions.

  75. DCC/MM Aug 29th 2012

    Homosexuality is actually a death penelty offence so it IS worse than other sins.

  76. I would like to add a comment if I may.

    All sins carry “wages” but sexual sins seem to carry particularily grave consequences in the Scriptures. “Whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” (Heb 13:4) This follows the statement that “OUR God is a consuming fire.” (Heb 12:29) There was a statement (or implication) earlier that all of this judgement talk was just an Old Testament carryover and that OUR (Christian’s) God no longer judges as He once did. But here’s a plain statement from the NEW Testament that OUR God is a consuming fire and this is directly linked to God’s judgements throughout the ages. The Lord Jesus and the apostles all spoke of God’s judgement. We have lost the real sense of what sin is. It is lawlessness and rebellion against God. And it carries wages (payment). DEATH!

    Now to homosexuality. It seems in the Scriptures that homosexuality (sodomy) is manifested when people turn to idolatry. 1 Kings 14:23, 24…”For they also built them high places, and images, and groves, on every high hill, and under every green tree. And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord cast out before the children of Israel.” 1 Kings 15:12…”And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.” The verses quoted from Romans 1 also link homosexuality with idolatry! Nothing has changed. It seems that idolatry is the real root of the problem when homosexuality is manifested so publicly. Homosexuality, as odious as it is, is a SYMPTOM of the real underlying condition. We have turned to other gods and homosexuality is now manifested and it will shortly be followed by the judgement of God unless we repent and get rid of our idols. We have a gospel of idolatry preached from our pulpits! Judgement must first begin at the house of God. It is the covetousness (same as idolatry…Eph. 5:5), greed and materialism that has opened the door for this wickedness (homosexuality) to become so manifested and entrenched now.

    God have mercy on us!!

  77. TheDude Aug 29th 2012

    Andrew: I am very disappointed that you have resorted to name calling. You are much better than that. Calling people “deluded” who don’t agree with your position was really uncalled for. We can all agree to to disagree at times, but I don’t think calling your brothers and sisters “deluded” is honoring to our Lord.

  78. TheDude Aug 29th 2012

    BTW, all sin is of concern to the genuine believer, not just homosexuality. That is the point that some of us are trying to make. Because we are concerned about all sin and don’t single out just homosexuality as the most vile and evil of sins on earth, doesn’t make us “deluded”.

  79. Andrew and others—

    My friends and I have helped in the aftermath of the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear disasters from last year in Japan. In the same way as you are talking, we have heard people talking about it being a judgment for this or that sin, or political position, etc. The bottom line for you is *law*.

    But Jesus, who carried the cross, sent us to go mourn with those who mourn, to bear the griefs and burdens of people who were suffering—even sinners.

    One word after another comes like this, one “comparison” after another that seems prophetic, but passes like the wind, only to be replaced by another similar pronouncement of judgment.

    When I heard pastors preaching judgment (in the midst of others who were spending their time loving and helping disaster victims), I was distressed. When I saw others preaching similar ‘words’ about disasters striking the United States, again I mourned because “law” was the bottom line instead of the agape love of the Lamb who gave His life for His enemies. The desire was to correct people, not to be their neighbor or love them like you wanted to spend eternity with them.

    There seemed no end to these kinds of ‘words’ or ‘deductions’ of judgments. Even though they pass like the wind without fulfillment (yet convincing only those to whom actual fulfillment doesn’t matter), I was still distressed by the complete departure from the intercessory love of God in them.

    Then God spoke and I understood:

    “My people, many of you are hearing My Spirit warn about events and disasters. I speak of such things to call you to pray, but I do not call you to declare My judgment in them! Many of you have spoken in My name of coming judgments through disasters because you cannot hear My heart. Since you are zealous for the law instead of zealous for people whom I love, many of you have declared that inevitable disasters are coming due to the sins of the ungodly.

    “Yet I have nullified your words. I have not allowed these disasters to take place because I was only calling My people to pray, and I answered their prayers. You who have declared judgments will not see your words fulfilled, for you do not know My heart. Nor do you know that I will judge you before I judge the world! My judgments are redemptive instead of punishment, because I desire you instead of your sinlessness. I will not entrust My words about actual inevitable judgments and wrath to those who do not understand My heart and My redemptive purposes.”

    (http://weeping-jeremiahs.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-am-with-you-in-sorrows.html#Heart)

    Don’t be distracted. Judgments come, but will come FIRST to the house of God, not to the nations or sinners. And the basis of judgment is not the law of the old covenant, but the law of the new covenant: Believe on Christ, and give agape love to one another as He loved us (while we were His enemies).

    Love is what separates the sheep from the goats. Not hollow predictions about weather.

  80. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    The Law is NOT done away with for those outside Christ.

    The New Covenant ONLY applies to those who have entered into it.

    The rest are under Law and will be judged by it.

    Does God bring judgment upon “abominations”?

    Yes – He reserves the right to do so

    If Homosexuality is not particularly *bad* then why is it an “abomination” according to Scripture?

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  81. Eating fish without scales is also an abomination. Is the same kind of judgment coming for those who eat octopus?

  82. Homosexuality is wrong, but in God’s eyes there are things much, much worse:

    “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

    “‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them, so that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all you have done in giving them comfort.”

    (Ezekiel 16:49-54)

  83. (Again, the bottom line is that love is what separates the sheep from the goats. No escaping it. These are the weightier matters of the law.)

  84. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    The Book of Romans likewise emphasises how particularly depraved Homosexual acts are. Belittle these things at your peril, my friend.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  85. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    Not to mention that the devil is using Homosexuality as the “cutting edge” to push righteousness out of our culture. Is this not a serious matter?

    -Andrew

  86. No one is belittling the fact that homosexuality is wrong—just a ‘prophetic’ connection that, like many others, will pass without fulfillment yet garner no repentance from those who stood behind it.

    Romans 1 speaks of homosexual acts, but don’t forget Romans 2 follows right afterwards. =)

  87. No, Andrew. It’s not the cutting edge. The cutting edge of what Satan is doing in the United States is happening in groups like the Tea Party, because it is there that the “light” is being removed from the light on the hill. You’ve written about it. The dark of the darkness is not the worst thing or cutting edge by any measure. The cutting edge is the subversion of the light.

  88. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    The article at the top has already been fulfilled. The hurricane is sitting virtually on top of New Orleans now. Has been for hours.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  89. Don’t you realize? No persecution could overcome the early church… until the church was subverted by power in age of Constantine. It is the same with these “edges” or sins in America. The subversion of the church is the problem. This is why the church’s cries about homosexuality are not heeded in the United States, because the church has been subverted and is not known as Christ said the church would be known in the world (by His love). The church has largely lost her soul, having sought power, control, capitalism, and an earthly kingdom in the United States. The light has gone out—if more “sinners” are not convicted, it is largely because there is no light in the church.

    The sinners of His age were attracted to Jesus, while the religious were repulsed by Him. But in our age, in the United States the church attracts the religious, but repulses sinners. “As He was in the world” is not how the church is in the United States.

  90. Yes, it’s making landfall. So it’s a good time to ask:

    Have you prayed for the people?
    For the innocent?
    Did your post address this, Andrew?
    Did you cry out for the lives of the sinners?
    Did you pray that God would send people in to help any possible injured or wounded?

    What kind of “alarm” did you raise?
    Was it a call to intercession in prayer and in action?
    What is the “fruit” that comes of this writing above?

    Yeah, it sounds and seems “holy”… but where was the intercession? Where was walking in the steps of the One who laid down His life for His enemies, the wicked and ungodly? Where was reaching out to them? Where was the admonition to the body to walk in His steps?

  91. Sally Swift Aug 29th 2012

    When God told Sari that she was going to have a baby, she laughed. Hence Issac was born. Issac means laughter. God was not laughing, Sari was. God is not laughing now. Those against God’s Word are laughing at Him as they prance the streets of New Orleans…and God’s judgement comes.
    A person can sin and bring judgement on himself. a nation can sin (abortion, pride, making homosexual marriaage legal, etc) which brings judgement on the nation.
    God have Mercy on us all and bring repentance and revival.

  92. Rick Frueh wrote rightly:

    “OK, come on. The fallen community is supposed to be dead in sins and trespasses, so when something like homosexuality becomes more accepted and prominent does that make them more dead? Have they been able to manage their fallen-ness until now? And let us remember that the sin that plunged the entire human race into spiritual death was one “small” act of disobedience. It was far from the sin of homosexuality.

    “It’s as if we expected the fallen culture to stay within accepted parameters of sin which would still be sinful but at least more palatable to us in the moral, Christian community. Never mind that adultery and divorce are raging throughout the “moral” evangelical community. Never mind that millions of believing men, including preachers, regularly watch some form of pornography. Never mind that the evangelical church is bursting at the seams with false teachers and feel good nonsense messages. At least we can rise up and express moral outrage at homosexuality and stroke our self righteous souls…

    “Ok, the Scripture is clear. Homosexual behavior is a sin. In other words it is wrong before God. There are numerous Old Testament references as well as several New Testament references that make that very clear. But before we all climb the throne of moral self righteousness let us pause and take a look at something else about which the New Testament is explicit.

    “…for every one reference to homosexual behavior there are at least ten references to sins involving money. Oh yes, its our dirty little secret. And if we can magnify homosexuality perhaps we can obscure the sin that runs rampant within our own moral camp.”

    http://judahslion.blogspot.jp/search?q=homosexuality

  93. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    Ramone – The last paragraph of the article is a call to prayer.

    After Katrina I went down to help. We set up a longterm base and much helping, feeding and ministry was done.

    So yes – I deeply believe in showing the love of Jesus. But that does not mean I will deny the judgments of God.

    Bless you,

    Andrew

  94. God does love us…so much so that He gave His Son for us…even when we were sinners Christ died for us. This wonderful act of pure love (the death of Jesus) opened the way for us to escape the wrath of God. But this in no way negates or weakens the judgement of God against sin. It also does not change the character of sin or its consequences. Just look at the Book of Revelation. The very same Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world will present Himself in such terrible judgement that the people will beg for the rocks to fall on them to hide them “from the wrath of the Lamb”! (Rev. 6:16)

    Never can we put the love of God in opposition to His judgement. Both sides of the coin are true. God loves us and cares for us but He is also holy and righteous and He WILL judge sin. Whether a particular storm or earthquake is a judgement on a particular sin or city or people is not easy to discern. But these things (storms, earthquakes, famines, pestilences, diseases) have been judgements from God in the past and will be in the future. I’m sure they are still judgements even today.

    The very same Lord Jesus that died for us in great love and compassion will one day be the Judge of all the earth. All judgement is committed into the hands of the Son of Man!

  95. I was talking to a guy at work, he said Sunday he stopped and picked up some people that were walking to church, the lady he picked up told him ,to go to church with them, that they were on their way to pray for New Orleans,and others, cause God told her that the Hurricane hitting there now was nothing, that the next storm would be totally devastating, there is a new one building up in the ocean, right be hind this one. i guess we will wait and see… God does still talk to some people…

  96. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    I see this one as a “sign”

    7 years to the DAY? – Too much of a coincidence.

    -Andrew

  97. watchful Aug 29th 2012

    Isaac is a name which gives me hope – let us therefore repent of our Ishmael’s in whatever forms we may have chosen him, dear Jesus, let me be first! I agree it probably wasn’t a cooincidence that there was dirty politics going on at the same time as the dirty dancing was planned, with many Christians nominating the Ishmael of their choice made in their own image, while Isaac, the Son of Promise, was trying to get their attention.

    Thank you for your post steve nixon – I’m realizing that it’s not without reason that Jesus told us to beware the yeast of the Pharisees, because in this He knew we would be worse than the world and Rome, and may God bless your plain-clothed nun. We are the ones who need to repent and stop pointing fingers at those who are lost, bound by the devil, and unable to see. God is on His throne and if He is allowing certain things to come out of the closet and be in our faces, then He has His reasons, one of which may be to test our hearts and try our love for those we might deem to be unlovely.

    If Jesus stepped in to divert the Father’s judgment from me then I guess I am not greater than my Teacher, and will try to be of the same mind, with His help.

  98. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    Now I know what Noah felt like….

  99. Judgment is coming, but Jesus did not come into the world to judge the world. Addditionally, God will judge individuals not countries as He did in the Old Covenant. To assign divine motive for natural calamities is both dangerous as well as self righteous. God allows heretics, false teachers, adultery, hedonism, and all sorts of these even within the visible church without sending tornados, disease, etc.
    The assignment of divine wrath through things like this is superstition and cannot be specifically proven by the Word of God. people do not turn form sin unto Christ because of hurricanes named by fallen men. They are drawn to Christ by the Spirit aided by the redemptive lives of those who walk in His love and share with them the gospel.
    A few decades agao it was AIDs that was God’s judgment but since then the evnagelical community has moved on. Homosexuality continues to be the prize whipping boy for evangelicals while we remain comfortable and blind to our own significant practice of all sorts of sin. And since there are but a few references in the New testament to homosexual sin why do we seem to magnify that particular sin? It’s because most of us have never had same sex attractions and therefor our moral perch cannot be challenged.
    The judgment of God is coming to this earth with a much more horrific display than any hurricane can reveal. But it does make for the classic evangelical game of “pin the tail on God’s judgment”. The gay community needs believers who will risk their reputation by being Jesus to them, not by suggesting God is being Moses to them.
    In the end every gay person who dies without Christ will spend eternity beside a moral, tea party, conservative, heterosexual, one wife person who dies without Jesus. But until then we can spend time surmising about divine retrebution before its time. God hates the sin practiced in San Francisco, but Haiti must really get in Gis craw. remember, Hugh Hefner continues to live a long and prosperous life of immorality and hedonism, but until now he has been able to avoid any hurricane. :)
    I do loike your articles, but I sincerely disagree with your characterization of hurricanes. (If Hurricane Isaac is the best judgment God can muster He is losing His touch.)

  100. When Jonah was sent to Nineveh to warn the people, he first refused to go and the judgement of God fell on him. He was cast overboard and swallowed by a great fish. He was spit out on the shores of Nineveh. Then he built himself a shady spot to sit back and watch the fireworks when God would destroy the city. But God frustrated that also. Then he went and preached to Nineveh and the people repented and the judgement of God was stopped.

    WE need to do what God wants us to do and warn the people that God WILL judge their sins. But we must not be laden with our own sins! And we should NEVER have the attitude that we are spectators but should be spurred on to preach repentance. Judgement from God is not cute or funny. It is horrible. I think that the ability to speak about God’s judgement of sin only has power when we KNOW in our own souls what sin is and how horrible it is to God! “Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.” (2 Cor. 5:11). We know the terror of the Lord and we persuade men. But a warning! It does no good whatever to be involved in sin ourselves and attempt to warn others about their sins. That is just hypocrisy!

  101. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    I said I believed it is a “sign”.

    I do not believe in the “coincidence” of 2 hurricanes hitting the same place on the same day 7 years apart – at the start of “Southern Decadence”.

    Sorry. That is no coincidence.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  102. BTW – This kind of “I know the specific mind of God” attitude is exactly what the Kansas City et al crowd loves and does. Ours is the gospel in word and deed. The rest is with the Godhead.

  103. Madeline Fisher Aug 29th 2012

    Chris wrote:

    “Oh you know the Lord loves you just as you are.” Well then why get changed? Commit adultery as much as you like. He still loves you. Be a cheat, be a liar, be a thief, and be a failure. He still loves you. But there’s a scripture. Isn’t it the Psalms 7….where it says “God is angry with the wicked every day.” I heard somebody quote today “God loves you but hates your sin” that’s bunken. God hates you for committing the sin. Is God going to take your sins and judge them at the Judgment and leave you alone?” Leonard Ravenhill

    Ravenhill was a man, like any other. He had many good things to say, but—being a man—he didn’t have it all together, and he missed out on this one.

    God’s anger toward mankind was satisfied at Calvary and He is no longer mad at us. Jesus’ blood paid the debt in full.

    As for the question, “” Well then why get changed? “, the apostle Paul covered that very well.

    Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    Rom 6:2 God for

    Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
    Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
    Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

  104. Every single day America celebrates another day of decadence. And every year America holds a National Day of Prayer which prays to all gods. If God was interested in orchestrating a natural disaster to show His judgment he might choose Washinton D.C..

    The sign God actually uses? The cross and the resurrection. If sinners will not respond to that they will not respond to calamities. But God does use things to draw men, however this New Testament revelation of God is different than the Old Testament. But he does make it clear that there is coming a day when judgment will come to the entire world. When a hurricane named Paul topples the Mormon Tabernacle I might give it a second look! :)

  105. BTW – A group of believers from Tampa who were attending the convention claimed they altered through prayer the course of Isaac away from Tampa. Little did they know they put it back on course! Such nonsense.

  106. Andrew Aug 29th 2012

    Madeline said-
    “God’s anger toward mankind was satisfied at Calvary and He is no longer mad at us. Jesus’ blood paid the debt in full.”

    That is true of CHRISTIANS, Madeline. It is true of people who have entered into the NEW COVENANT and taken advantage of Christ’s gift.

    But outside of that, God is still just as mad at sin as He ever was. And His WRATH remains upon the sinful.

    Otherwise no need for the gospel at all.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  107. Just a quick note to Madeline. Even within the passage you quoted from Romans, please note that ” whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” The wages of sin is still death! That is plainly stated in v. 23. Praise God that the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord!

  108. “But outside of that, God is still just as mad at sin as He ever was. And His WRATH remains upon the sinful.”

    Exactly. But that wrath will one day be unleashed. Until then God calls all men everwhere to repent and believe the gospel. But God’s wrath is upon all sinners both heterosexuals, homosexuals, child molesters, hedonists, and everyone who stands without redemption. The door to the ark remians open, but maybe very soon that door will close.

    The spirit of antichrist is not so men can embrace immorality. It seeks to confront the reality of Christ, and in that vein someone like Mitt Romney’s theology is more of an affront to God than homosexual behavior. Americans do not need hurricanes to reveal God’s judgment. They will do it to themselves in November when they elect either fallen man. However God desires both men to repent and believe which has become more difficult since millions of evangelicals will vote and support both of them.

  109. Rick. Sometimes the Lord allows people to suffer under their own sin and stupidity. Israel wanted a king like the nations around them and they were the worse for it! Catch 22! No way to vote right in this election! Now what will happen? Let’s see how the preachers will explain all of this!

  110. I think Katrina may have happened because God lifted His hand of protection, of America, for forceing Israel to do this –

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2005/Evacuation+of+Israeli+civilians+from+the+Gaza+Strip+completed+22-Aug-2005.htm

    And Isaac may be happening because of this –

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159332

    I also, do not see this “7 years to a day” as a coincedence,

    Blessings

    Ken

  111. jc – Yes, democracy has become an idol whenh in essence it is man ruling man. And in this country it leads professing believers to join hands with unbelievers. It does not matter who is elected for we who have Jesus as our Lord. In fact, sometimes governments like the Chinese are used of God to spread the gospel and purify the church.

  112. It is a coincidence. It is hurricane season. SD happens every labor day weekend. Plus, if these storms are supposed to judge/punish the homosexuals, how many SD participants were killed 7 yrs ago (very few, if any) vs. Non-homosexuals (many)?

  113. a farmer Aug 29th 2012

    The reason homosexuality is such an abomination is that mocks the very image of God.

    “In the image of God created he him; male and female created he them…and called their name Adam.” (Gen. 1:27;5:2)

    Michael Pearl puts it so well in his book, “Created to Need A Help Meet”: When man and woman and God are joined together, God’s image is complete in a trinity of one. God’s goal is always to make ONE composed of cooperative and interdependent parts. In holy matrimony man–male and female–reach the highest expression of the divine image.”

    Homosexuality is in the image of Satan. No wonder it is behind so much that is against God’s people as Traveler explained above.

  114. watchful Aug 29th 2012

    Andrew: just trying to see if He is speaking in a broader sense, my comments were not directed at you but were for all of us, including me. You put up articles that provoke thought and discussion.

    Well here are some more thoughts: What is sin at it’s core? self-love and self-rule………spiritual homosexuality in other words. It seems to me that we are being distracted by one thing when the Father is trying to speak in a broader sense…. in parables….and to His own children. Why should we assume the hurricane is just about homosexuals when at the same time other significant things were taking place in the hurricane zone, such as the Republican convention …. I’m sure it could have been said better and maybe there is more and I have only touched on it, but one thing for sure is that Jesus (Isaac) wants to take His place as ruler of our hearts/minds while much of the church is choosing another (self), and still dwelling in the earth-zone instead of having our minds fixed on things above. Right now I’m thinking that Elijah was taken UP in a whirlwind….oh come Lord Jesus..

    Another thing is that how can we preach to the lost until we first love them……..no, somehow we must obtain the mind of Christ and stop judging things by outward appearances, the judgments of our own carnal mind.

  115. I appreciate the issue related to homosexuality. This is a serious evil, as all evil is. In fact, it is my belief that the pedophiles are going to take the same approach, claiming they were just born with a lot of love for children and thus they are perfectly normal. However, darkness cannot cast out darkness. Thus, in my view, until The Church repents of its homo-sect-tuality (having relations only with or primarily within one’s sect/denomination) we’re not going to have the authority, the anointing, or the wisdom to deal with this evil. Further, the message of repentance is not to this nation; it’s to The Church in this nation, just as in five of the letters Jesus dictated to John. The God-less are God-less. They aren’t the problem. The problem is within the House of God, with those who claim they belong to Jesus of Nazareth while they bow down to other gods (such as the god of money as just one obvious example) living lives that are not any different really than their God-less neighbors and co-workers. John the Baptist’s job as the prophetic forerunner to the Messiah was to make straight what was crooked among God’s people. And as it was with John so it is today that the main crookedness Jesus is concerned about is not that of the God-less, but that of those who claim to know Him (Matthew 7:13-14).

  116. watchful Aug 29th 2012

    You want to know what an abomination is?….I don’t even want to say what I learned recently about how the one that CHRISTIANS in the US have chosen to be their king made his money. oh Jesus have mercy, what a terrible mess we make of things when we usurp your rule……….help us to see, and to repent.

  117. Madeline Fisher Aug 29th 2012

    Andrew: But outside of that, God is still just as mad at sin as He ever was. And His WRATH remains upon the sinful.

    jc: The wages of sin is still death! That is plainly stated in v. 23. Praise God that the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    Absolutely, on both counts. But NOT NOW! Judgment will come. Period. But God is not NOW—RIGHT NOW—punishing people for their sins. He allows us in our free will to choose our path, to choose what we believe, to choose what our end result will be. But He is not—now and in this time—-opening the earth to swallow the wicked or calling down fire on sinners. We all need to remember that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Some will be saved by the blood of Jesus. Others will die in their sins.

    Natural disasters are natural. They are not God-directed. The earth and its processes were set at creation and they continue. .

    This time of grace will soon come to an end and every man will be called to account for their sins. There will be many, many, many “works” burned, even those in which men believe what they are doing is God-directed and approved. There is only One whose works were perfect. Each and every one of us has some that will not stand the test of purity. But praise be to God, Jesus is our Rock. The unbelievers will answer for their sins—but not now. And believers are no different in that respect. We will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ—but not now. Only God knows when.

  118. Christian journalist Aug 29th 2012

    We can play with words and use various scriptures to make sure that our view or opinion is heard.
    When people whether they be christian or otherwise ignore the warnings of our Heavenly Father and sweep aside His judgements upon the church and nations, then that is very dangerous indeed. Sin is Sin and there is no doubt about it what the consequences are. The bible is specific concerning this.
    The Lord Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light and if people continue to do their own thing saying the opposite or not leading a life of rightousness, then that it their problem, and when the Lord says to His people come home, who will respond to His calling?
    I will say the remnant, not millions, who are walking with the Lord Jesus and are obedient to Him and no ther person.
    There is no such thing as a homosexual or lesbian christian which some christian leaders acclaim and talk about. There cannot be gay christian groups within the Body of Christ. And neither there can be same sex marriages conducted in His church. For they are an abomination to God Almighty. His word says so and that is alright with me! For either I have been born again, telling others about the Lord Jesus, and following the teachings of the Jesus Lord, or I have been living a lie and deceiving others since accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Saviour.
    For I am a new creature in Christ Jesus!
    Going back to my old way of life would be a disaster for sure. And the Word of God warns me that I cannot be born again twice.
    The problem is even though we live under grace, Almighty God is Almighty God and He is our creator. He will not be mocked whether this comes from inside or outside of the christian church. He cannot be taken for granted and we should not act, as so many in the church are doing, to be His business managers and PAs.
    This is evident amongst those who use the name of Jesus flippantly and are claiming this and that for Jesus when He has nothing to do with it.
    If we read the Book of Revelation seriously and look at the contents, it reveals what will happen in the Last Days. There is no doubt about it for people have come to recognise that the End Times is upon us and there is no turning back. The secular press has been writing about this as well.
    The Book of Revelation is prophectic and prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes if only we open them.
    What we do next and how we respond is up to us individualy. The choice is there staring at us. But then, do we believe?
    Whether it be sodomy, greed, betraying one another, abandoning the faith because of circumstances, allowing us to be deceived, or a host of other things, either there is REPENTANCE or do we carry on regardless which so many folk are doing whether they be christian or not.
    I have been a watchman for many years having to listen to the voice of God Almighty. I have written many articles as a journalist and a christian sharing what the Lord has revealed to me, and preaching the Word of God. This has been confirmed by my brothers and sisters in Christ. So I could not run away as Jonah did. This was hard but in the end worth it, and I had to be obedient to Him and not to man.
    The Lord instructed me recently to come down from the watchtower which He placed me in. And why? To take refuge within the Body of Christ due to the watchtower being surrounded and todate being overun and its destruction pending. I am glad that I took heed.
    In the meantime His instructions remain in my obedience to the Commission the Lord has given me, and to veryone who is following the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the Gospel message without being modified to suit man, man’s ways, or methods to water it down.
    And if people continue to play about with religion to suit themselves, that is their problem. And when they argue that the Body of Christ will go through the GREAT TRIBULATION, then those proclaiming this, will be their problem when I shall be meeting Him in the air with those who are awake and not asleep. So simple are His instructions! And those left behind after the Rapture, it will be their problem due to their ignorance. So there you have it, I believe that I shall be taken in a twinkling of an eye and is not prepared to make a tennis match out of this to score points.
    I dare not dismiss His instructions. Praise the Lord!
    And encouragement to Andrew, please continue with the web site while you can.
    God bless you all.
    Maranatha!

  119. Malcolm Aug 29th 2012

    Bo doubt about it, every nation on earth is being shaken.
    The western church is being shaken too and those within are being scattered. I am one of them who has come out from those preaching another gospel and this was an established church.
    So Amen to what Andrew has shared and what our christian brother has said as a journalist. And there will be more voilent storms coming, earthquakes, and famines as prophesied in the Bible, before He returns. And I do believe in the judgement of God.

  120. The second I heard that it was 7 exact years after katrina hit, I knew it was prophetic in nature. Good word given, but there’s definitely more to it.

  121. Ejimanze Aug 29th 2012

    Thoughts on God’s judgment: The sweet singer of Israel sang: ‘Let the heavens rejoice and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fullness thereof; Let the fields be joyful and all that is therein; Then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice before the Lord; For He cometh to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness and the people with His truth.’ 1 Chron. 16.
    Why does King David see the coming of the Lord and His judgments as the blessed hope and something to look earnestly yearn for, while we regard these events with fear and great foreboding? Does King David know somewhat of God’s heart that we are yet to grasp several millenniums after, even after the Messiah has come and gone up to glory, and is on His way already for His second coming?
    My colleague, Nasidi, taught me some about God’s love and judgment. Nasidi’s teenage son, Kabiru, refused to ‘hear word’ – neither from parents nor from God, and was cahorting with all the bad boys in town here in Abuja. One bright day, Nasidi tricked the boy and took him to a very remote village, where he handed him over to an Islamic Mallam for disciplinary action. The boy was chained for two weeks and fed the bread of affliction, and the Koran read over his head morning, noon and night. After two weeks, the chains were removed, and the boy stayed another two weeks in the village, eating only the staple ‘tuwo’ that the villagers eat. By the time his father came for him at the end of one month, Kabiru’s head was cool. When Nasidu told me he did this to his son, I couldn’t believe my ears, for he is such a mild mannered man.
    When the scriptures say, ‘When His (God’s) judgments are in the earth, the people of the world will learn righteousness’, I understood better.
    Until a child of God comes to know, and comprehend and understand that the basis of God’s judgment and chastisement is from His everlasting heart of love for man that He created in His own image and likeness, and that God’s mercy endureth forever, yes, forever, anything we imagine to be God’s judgment would just be that – the imaginations of our carnal mind.

  122. Have a thought, not entirely connected to this thread, but.. was watching a news show last night about the life of Mitt Romney, and it showed his car accident in France back when he was younger. The paramedics thought he wouldn’t survive, so wrote a note placed on him that said “he’s dead”. Made me think about how the antichrist was “resurrected” in a sense, that he “was dead” and come back to life. Not saying that he is ac, but makes you think.

  123. L. Alex Smith Aug 29th 2012

    Not everyone can discern the difference between natural and spiritual occurences. “…Then there came a voice from heaven saying, ‘I have both gloified it (His name) and will glorify it again.’ The people that stood by and heard it, said that it thundered; others said, ‘And angel spoke to him.’ ” (John 12:28-29) John heard God’s voice; others perceived a supernatural voice (an angel–inaccurate, but in the correct realm) and others attributed it to strictly natural causes (thunder). The same thing occured at Saul’s (Paul’s) Damascus Road experience. In the Revelation 6, the literal Greek rendering of vs. 1, 3, 5, and 7 is “Go Forth!”– a command from the each of the Four Living Beast, or Living Ones. This is calling forth the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, horrific judgements upon the earth. An earlier post in this thread said that the four beasts were indicative of Jesus– but actually, they are saints of the Lord in the heavenly realm. Revel. 5: 8 says that they and the 24 elders fall down before the Lamb (who is Jesus). The symbolism of Lion represents Christians who are as Warriors in the spirit; Calf (compare to Ox in the Ezekiel 1:10 scenario) represents Youthfulness of Servanthood; Man represents relational ability to humanity, Eagle represents Far Sight in the spirit. These Christians, mature in God and bearing within themselves the very Heart of Christ–thus echoiing his attributes– will carry out His judgements. Jesus said to the Twelve (11 because Judah had killed himself) “Whose so ever sins ye remit, they are remitted; and whose so ever sins ye Retain, they are Retained!” (John 20:23. I am not yet so close to God as to hear Him tell me NOT to forgive someone’s sins!
    We need to yet mature in God– we need yet to apprehend His heart–we still need to have His heart formed in us, to the extent that He can trust us to carry out His righteous judgements….whilst being so involved in His love that our heart breaks for those to be judged! Take Jeremiah the weeping prophet for example. He wept BUCKETS for Israel–he LOVED Israel…but also God spoke through him with blistering condemnation for the sins of idolatry, false prophecy, false shepherds who feed themselves on their sheep…or how about Hosea, whose marriage to Gomer was a protracted cry of a man with a broken heart, echoing God’s broken heart fo unfaithful Israel? The ancient prophet Isaiah spoke thus: “To THIS man will I look: even to him who is poor and of a Contrite spirit, and who trembles at My Word.” (Isaiah 66:2) The judgements of the LORD are AFTER the Gospel Age, or the Age of Grace, has terminated, and the Hour of Trial, or the Day of the LORD, is come. THEN–it is still Gods’ love at work–a last-ditch effort to awaken the hearts of any who will repent at that time and find His grace. Even in the midst of His anger, He still loves and wants to save as many as will turn to Him. To be in that place of “co-working” with Him, we must first be in that place of Love and Broken-heartedness that will stimulate us to first MANIFEST the love of Jesus, and then secondly, when the Day of the LORD is truly come, be so in tune with God’s Spirit that we carry out His Will, even when it is calling forth the Four Horsemen.
    I don’t believe that we are currently in that time, nor do I believe that hardly anyone is in that place of being THAT close to God’s heart. May He get us there!

  124. debylynne Aug 29th 2012

    i see several saying ‘sin is sin’ but not ALL that are in ‘sin’ are shaking their fists in the face of GOD…….of course, judgment is coming – is here – of course the Word of God is being fulfilled – of course, the LORD is doing everything that HIS Word declares. of course. there is no debate.

    i am so TIRED of people saying the church ‘repels’ sinners – i do not know where the rest of you live, but here in the ‘bible belt’ our churches are FILLED with ‘sinners’ – only they SAY they are Christians while they live like the world and it ISN’T the true believers that are ‘turning people away’ – it is DISGUST with those that SAY they are followers of Jesus Christ and yet live like the lost – the lost say ‘they are no different from us and they scorn their so-called ‘faith’ in Jesus Christ.

    i am utterly sick of it and tell those that i know personally – if you are going to live like the WORLD – STOP telling people you are a Christian – you are bringing shame on the gospel of JESUS CHRIST and causing men to blaspheme His Name.

    i am ALMOST as sick of people laying all the blame for sinners ‘not coming to repentance’ at the door of the ‘church’. are WE responsible?? – yes, to a degree we are – if we are NOT preaching a true gospel – if we are compromising – if we are not ‘speaking the truth in love’……but what i see over and over is people ‘blaming’ Christians for being ‘too hard on sinners’….sigh……………..

    i have to agree with linda sio – what she has revealed is TRUTH. there is a point where the LORD does NOT ‘love the sinner’ – only HE knows when that point is reached, though.

    i believe in MERCY – the same MERCY that was extended to ME and i want to ‘offer’ it to others – BUT – if it takes the form of this ‘ungodly tolerance’ that is being promoted – no no no.

    the LORD said, i love you, i will forgive you, I’M giving you mercy, i’m giving you an opportunity to live and not die – but there IS a cost – go and sin no more (of course, we all STUMBLE in many ways but we DO NOT WALK IN SIN – not if we truly BELIEVE what HE has said and done – not if we believe IN Him) so, enough of this ‘slimey grace’ that we seem to want to offer people – it isn’t the grace of the LORD.

    this ‘hurricane’ may not be as severe as katrina – it may be more of a MERCIFUL reminder from the LORD of what HE COULD ALLOW – He IS gracious and long suffering……as for san francisco – that is the LORD’S perogative – i pray for mercy – i pray for more time for the lost to SEE – i pray for protection of the innocent when these things come – BUT only the LORD knows what is truly at stake and what the ‘right timing’ is and i trust HIM. ‘will not the judge of all the earth do right’??

    whatever it is – how many more ‘signs’ do we need to REALIZE how close we have come as a nation and a people to the ‘razor’s edge’.

  125. Ejimanze Aug 29th 2012

    On Hurricane Isaac:
    When Sarah called her son, Isaac, methinks she was focused more on how God has turned her sadness of barrenness into joy and laughter. So for me, Isaac is a good sign – the promise of God coming to pass, and inheriting the promise.
    Hurricane Isaac making landfall wherever tells me that He whose right it is to rule the earth is come. Methinks that Lynn’s vision, pasted below gives an insight to the revelation of Hurricane Isaac’s brewing and landfall. What I am yet to decipher is why glorious events in the Spirit manifest as very destructive phenomena in the natural sphere. It is as if Christ comes every time under the cover of a crisis. If you focus on the social and logistic crisis provoked by the edict of Caesar, you will miss the Christ born in a manger. Let’s keep our sights trained on the Lord and His coming, close-marking the Spirit as Elisha stuck to Elijah in order to receive the double portion. – Eji manze

    Lynn:

    This is a vision I had 10 days ago…
    8-18 –>>> Need to make note of vision I saw this morning during prayer. I saw our Lord sitting (not sure on what ~ chair, throne). His feet were up like on a footstool. Something happened on the earth and I kept saying this is not good – O Lord, this is not good. (At the same time, He sat forward on the edge of His seat to watch (like He couldn’t believe what He was seeing). As He moved forward, His foot came off the footstool and landed on earth. Mountains began to crumble; massive waves began to hit the coast. There was devastation all around.

  126. Let The church say AMEN, saints of the Most High God. HE ain’t playing. it’s time for the church to take her righful place and STAND UP to the World and just say what God has told us to so no if’s /buts.
    God is loving God but he is HOLY and He will not I repeat will not tolerate SIN. just my 2 cents

  127. Buyanzi Aug 30th 2012

    I profess to know nothing but Christ crucified. After reading the comments to this post, I just sat here and cried. Do you see where the enemy is using scripture and fleshly interpertation as a sublte tool to divide? To point fingers, to judge according to the flesh? I will tell you something, I have been called a prophet, an apostle, an apostolic prophet, a prophetic apostle, lol and it means nothing without love. Friends, we all know IN PART, we take scripture and use it for our own purposes, not realizing at times we are coming from a point of woundedness or a very soulish place. I feel so grieved that brothers and sisters are tearing each other apart on posts on the internet, facebook and the like. How very, very sad. Playing into the enemies hand we are. We are to see through the eyes of Jesus and many posts I have read, I believe are coming through the eyes of the flesh and not the spirit of the Lord. Pray, keep a watch over our mouths, especially those who are called to the office of the prophet, be very careful how we throw around what is judgment b/c on the day of judgment we all will be asking the mercy of our Lord for the things we do and say everyday. Love my friends, covers a multitude of sins. I have been in many churches/nations, ministries and homes where I have been given the title of prophet, but I tell you this, be very careful, discern and know that the Lord listens very intently on what we say and the heart of which we say it in. We have strayed so very far from the simplicity of the cross and made a mess of things because of what we “think” we know and I will end with what I started with. I know nothing but that of Christ crucified. I believe when we get to heaven, Jesus will ask us one thing first, “Have you learned to love.” And from the posts I’ve been reading I see very little of love, more judging and less mercy coming from the mouths of His kids, sad. Offices, gifts, and the like will be gone when we stand before God, He will see our hearts, not what we said, did or built. Selah….

  128. Kathleen Aug 30th 2012

    In the early 70’s leaders in the Catholic church had a crisis on their hands. Homosexuals were entering their Seminaries in alarming numbers. These leaders said that homosexuality was no different than any other sexual sin and as long as these seminarians remained celibate they met the requirements of the church.
    Now we know the tragedy this decision brought on thousands of young altar boys. I think more than anyone these innocent young boys understand in a tangible way how meaningless the mantra “hate the sin love the sinner” is.

    At face value this term is true and promotes love…but I can’t help but think that in very subtle way the truth of this statement has slowly evolved into “everyone sins- so no one can judge sin”.

    As to the article posted- if you cannot see the link between Southern Decadence and Katrina and then a repeat SEVEN years later there is really nothing to say to a sleeping mind.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALk1z5euBxI

    I suppose the account in the above link was just some eery coincidence as well…sleep well my friends.

  129. @Andrew “now i know what Noah felt like”…good one. I agree with you on what you’re saying Andrew, my husband and myself take note of things that seem to be “coincidence” during any public events that relate to “homosexual” eg. mayor’s of towns and city’s approving of gay pride parades…our city was flooded afterwards…sewers backed up and our water usage was severely limited. That’s just one example…we read newspapers, watch newscasts…usually right after some type of condoning of this gay rights movement. I agree that the God of the OT is the same God in the NT…He does not change!

  130. Buyanzi Aug 30th 2012

    We will judge with the Lord one day as Bride and Groom, He is training us here in this realm for that, but for now I will love, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to move on a person’s heart and I’d rather err on the side of love than judgment. We do make certain judgments everyday that indeed we should, but we all should look to our own heart’s first, esp those who proclaim to know that you know God is showing you certain things are indeed HIS judgments and not that we just still live in a fallen world that will soon pass away and things are deterioating The prophets that speak judgments should again be very careful and discerning knowing that our hearts need to be very clean when pronouncing such things and you know why. I will share one thing more. I have worked with many of the “big stars” in the christian world and I have other ministries ask me about the “junk” on those ones I have worked alongside and to me, all they want is the gossip on them to prove their own points. It saddens me and makes me angry because little do they know they are inviting a spirit of division which is also something the Lord despises.I am saying this because I am hoping we are all very careful in judging others because we disagree with them, that is ok, but to allow a spirit of division between His children is not something that the Lord takes lightly. I filter everything, along with my own thoughts and opinions, I bring them all before the Lord for examination knowing that we all fall short of the glory. Friends we still live in a fallen world that indeed has it’s judgment already, but please, please discern what is from our own souls and the spirt of God. As Daniel always prayed, it is “we” not “them.” Amen?

  131. a farmer Aug 30th 2012

    Interesting to note:

    As Hurricane Isaac was heading toward Florida, the Republicans were solidifying their platform which includes a very Biblical definition of marriage between one man and one woman.

    Then the hurricane veers toward Southern Decadence…..

  132. I would like to say quickly that this forum, although it has many various opinions, viewpoints, and staunch disagreements, has been very respectful for the most part. I would like to encourage all of you here to continue this conversation in love. Forums can get ugly fast and it is good to see this thread holding up to the instructions given to us in God’s word concerning how we act towards one another.

    Whether or not this is judgment from the Lord is within His sovereign authority. Some will see it as such, others will not. But judgement or no judgment our call as His body is the same. We are supposed to conduct ourselves in prayer and supplication. Paul gave us instructions concerning our battle with powers, principalities, and rulers in the air. Paul says our type of warfare can demolish strongholds once our obedience is complete. A hurricane can be a judgment, but God working through His people demolishes strongholds and saves souls. I’m not talking about any type of methodology espoused by so called self proclaimed prophets, but a humble yet intense longing to engage in this battle according to Paul’s instructions, for the glory of Christ.

    2 Cor 10: 1-13

    For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete.

    Look at what is before your eyes. If anyone is confident that he is Christ’s, let him remind himself that just as he is Christ’s, so also are we. For even if I boast a little too much of our authority, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for destroying you, I will not be ashamed. I do not want to appear to be frightening you with my letters. For they say, “His letters are weighty and strong, but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech of no account.” Let such a person understand that what we say by letter when absent, we do when present. Not that we dare to classify or compare ourselves with some of those who are commending themselves.

    But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding.
    But we will not boast beyond limits, but will boast only with regard to the area of influence God assigned to us, to reach even to you. For we are not overextending ourselves, as though we did not reach you. For we were the first to come all the way to you with the gospel of Christ. We do not boast beyond limit in the labors of others.

    But our hope is that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you may be greatly enlarged, so that we may preach the gospel in lands beyond you, without boasting of work already done in another’s area of influence. “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.

  133. JUDE 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
    24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

  134. Vince Ackerman Aug 30th 2012

    I would ask that folks take a look at the drought map of the United States and compare it to the path of Hurricane Issac and discern for yourself what could be happening. Jesus used a storm on the sea to reveal who He was to His Disciples. Not everything is what it seems. Blessings and Love to all.

    P.S. Let love win….

  135. a farmer Aug 30th 2012

    Some here seem to have a very humanistic view of judgment.

    The Bible says, “The judgments of the Lord are true; they are righteous altogether. THEY ARE MORE DESIRABLE THAN GOLD, YES, THAN MUCH FINE GOLD; sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb. Moreover, by them Thy servant is warned; in keeping them there is great reward.” (Psalm 19:9-11)

    Why? Because judgments put a boundary on sin. Sin is lawlessness. It is by nature anarchical, “uncontrolled as water.” Be THANKFUL for judgments! You wouldn’t want total lawlessness.

    On the compensatory side, God always works things together for good. So this hurricane could have a cleansing effect AND be a provision AT THE SAME TIME. Such is the greatness of our God!!

  136. When the towers fell on 9/11 my little girl came to me and said, “it’s my fault because I didn’t read my Bible this morning.”
    Why does so much of the modern church insist on focusing on a few million people being displaced by a hurricane??? or even worse – why are so many obsessed over a coming global economic judgement-??? – all these are merely temporary and a tempest in a tea pot compared to the wrath of God in a lake of fire forever! All this fear of temporal disasters in the church is evidence of the worldliness of the western church. All they care about is a measly hurricane the and the fear of losing their worldly things! The modern church is as self centred and short sighted as my 6 year old daughter!
    Let’s grow up as a church and get our focus where it ought to be – on eternal things. Jesus said, “When the tower of Siloam fell on those 75 do you think they were greater sinners that the rest of you? but I tell you unless repent YOU WILL ALL PERISH.”

  137. Teshuva Aug 30th 2012

    Watchful says,

    Another thing is that how can we preach to the lost until we first love them……..no, somehow we must obtain the mind of Christ and stop judging things by outward appearances, the judgments of our own carnal mind.

    Me,
    Clapping my hands with joy, great joy!! I think I am giving birth to Issac/laughter right now!!
    Being one who has had this deliverance, I can assure you had most of those who have posted here tried to sway me, I would have been lost forever, however the GOODNESS and LOVE of God who called me and caused me to love Him more than anything else in the world to include my own ways and thinking won the battle.

    Amen AFarmer,
    Judgment was that He brought light to me, and was sweeter than honey.
    i love judgment, it’s hemlock theology that I cannot stand.

  138. Thank you Andrew for having the courage to discuss these things. Bottom line, we’ll never satisfy every Christian’s opinion of what is happening or what is the correct way is to approach this topic. Pleasing the Father is all that matters.

    I personally sense that the battle in the spiritual realm has ramped up a notch. It will be especially important from here on in that we all be more concerned with what GOD thinks, than what pleases man. To me, therein lies the issue. Who are we trying to please? God, or man?

    As a believer trying to walk as close to Jesus as I can, I struggle with “loving the sinner, but hating the sin”; contenting for the faith, all the while letting the light of God’s Holy Spirit shine directly into my own heart. God forbid that I’m pointing fingers at others, while I, myself, walk in deception of my own spiritual condition!

    It’s interesting to me that what this whole debate has brought out in my own heart. I will admit that I felt sense of conviction when I was almost ‘rejoicing’ to think that “God is gonna get em”. That attitude is not one that God takes pleasure in, I am sure.

    Yet, at the same time we must content for the faith, not water down the gospel and be willing to even die for the truth of Christ. Speaking the truth isn’t popular. Speaking the truth today, always means there will be a cost.

    When I was praying early this morning, I was overwhelmed with a sadness. A sadness for what is happening to the people, a sadness for those that are lost, but even more profoundly, a sadness for God.
    After all that He’s given us and done for us, He’s been spurned and rejected. I have never felt this before, ever, in all the years of serving God. It was a very new feeling for me. From now on I am going to try to ask God to help me see things from HIS perspective, only. After all, it’s not about us, is it?

    God is a loving and merciful God, but my Bible tells me He also has a limit. Has He reached it for the US and Canada? I am not sure, but why would it surprise any of us if He has?

    The gospel has not changed. “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is a hand”. It might not be popular, but it’s still the truth.

  139. Shannon Aug 30th 2012

    Why judge because people sin differently than you? Surely you know God sees all sin the same. Regardless there is much more going on in new Orleans besides gay pride. In case you don’t know new Orleans is deep into the occult. Witchcraft voodoo. Stores that will sell you Gris Gris ( a spell) for whatever your need may be. The murder capital is vile. It’s easy to blame a certain group even though I’m sure that this may be a part of the situation. Look at the big picture here is what I’m saying.

  140. What is more tragic to the Almighty? Ten thousand homosexuals at a convention or one soul in the lake of fire for eternity?
    While it is true that homosexuality is the greatest threat to the family unit in history of the family we need a reality check here when we strain out a gnat and swallow a camel.

  141. Shannon Aug 30th 2012

    I agree with the person who posted about love. Some people seem delighted with this judgment be that as it may judgment is Gods. Not yours. He called you to love and help those who are lost. It reminds me of the verse that compares Pharisees. He said they look nice on the outside but in their hearts they are filth. Like rotting deadmans bones. Take a long hard look at yourself. Are you delighting in this? Or are you truly heartbroken with love for the lost? God knows. You do too

  142. Buyanzi Aug 30th 2012

    All is rubbish compared to knowing Christ crucified. You know most of the “dark places” in our fallen world lie not in Africa or Egypt, but in the hidden dark place in our hearts where the love and light of Jesus has not been allowed Lordship. May we all keep an eye on our own hearts because from there springs life or death….it has always, always been more about the hearts of His people, than all we debate upon in these forums, for in a moments notice He will make all things new one day, eh? May we all draw very near to Jesus…..

  143. Shannon Aug 30th 2012

    My previous statement is not directed to any one person btw. It’s a generalization on a few posts I have read. What I’m saying is (and I’m a born again Christian too btw) is that we all need to double check our motives. Jesus wants us to be good examples of his love. He loves homosexuals as much as he lives us. He died for them too. Instead of dividing us from others lets reach out to them in love. Gods love. He is giving us an opportunity to do so.

  144. Buyanzi Aug 30th 2012

    I will add a story here about hurricanes and judging. I was in a “high level prophetic meeting” in canada, lol, high level… Anyways, there was a hurricane coming towards a certain area and one very well known woman prayed against it, to go away, in a moment everyone jumped on board b/c of her “name” and not discerning the voice of the Lord. The hurricane did change paths only to bring drought on that land that actually needed the hurricane. The farmers lost many crops that year beloved. Our words are powerful friends, the Lord allowed, I believe, for us to see a “bigger” picture here. This woman prayed with the flesh nature and not discerning the spirit of God bringing relief. I and a couple others told her we were not in agreement and was asked to leave the meeting only later to be asked to come back after she felt a crying in her spirit. Please, I cannot say it enough, discern with the spirit of God, not the flesh, the flesh wants immediate satisfaction, it jumps prematurely because of fear and waits not on the spirt of the living God for His understanding.

  145. Shannon Aug 30th 2012

    Even Abraham and Moses prayed for mercy in sinners. They didn’t pray for their judgment. That’s a sign of hatefulness in ones heart.

  146. This is not logical. Nor is it Biblical. Its the type of response that makes Christians look so silly.

    1) It is not the homosexuals being punished, it is the residents of the city. If this is God’s judgment ( I do not dispute that it could be) it is on the people of New Orleans, not on the gay tourists coming for a special event. New Orleans has a small gay community compared to most large American cities. New Orleans is one of the nations most sinful cities every single day, not just during Southern Decadence. The city probably has the lowest ethical and moral standards of any city in the USA (I lived there 11 months so I experienced it firsthand). If it is God’s punishment why not during Mardi Gras, which is probably the most sinful event in America every year?

    2) Isaac hit on Tuesday night. Southern Decadence does not start until Thursday and currently their website says all events are still on according to plan. In other words, the gay tourists won’t suffer, but the residents of the city will. Even if it were cancelled due to the storm all it would cost the Gay Tourists is a cancelled party, hardly something you could call judgment.

    2) Under this theology Orlando should have judgment every year during “Gay Days”- which is the largest of these type gay events in the world and similarly all the other large gay events in the world. That doesnt happen. NYC Gay Pride parades have many more people than Southern Decadence. New Orleans is not a gay mecca by any means.

    Is it interesting timing? Absolutely.
    Could it be God’s judgment on New Orleans? Possibly.
    Is it more likely that it happens to be the height of the yearly hurricane season and so was a poorly planned time of year for the organizers (if they switched to Memorial weekend much less likely to have hurricane) OR that God is specifically judging New Orleans for hosting a gay event more than all the other sinful events the city constantly hosts? More likely its just the heart of hurricane season.

    It seems that Christians have jumped to the conclusion that homosexuality is a worse sin than Pastors who cheat on their wives and watch pornography every day and drive $300,000 cars and wear $15,000 suits. Or even worse, who stand up and say “THE LORD SAYS” when the Lord has not said.

    If God is bringing judgment it is because of the CHURCH, not gay tourists. Gays who go unsaved will spend eternity in hell as punishment. God disciplines His own rebellious children and chastises us for our own good, and the CHURCH is in sore need of punishment.

  147. Apostasy is everywhere. Many have already been sent strong delusion because they received not the love of the truth. ( 2 Thessalonians 2) Any form of truth is falsely labeled as judgmental. Paul judged and believers are called to judge righteous judgment. Saints will even judge the word and angels!

    Believers are to first remove the log from their eyes so that they can then see clearly to remove the speck from anothers. Once a person has removed the speck they can then judge righteously. If true believers heeded the voice of the masses in christendom, they would never arrive at the place of removing the speck from anothers. Why? Because countless always point us to removing the log and this is because THEY have NOT removed the log themselves. Now we see who the real Pharisees are. Again, if believers were to heed to multitude of the deceived, they would never ever be able to practice the command of scripture. Why? Because for years upon years, the majority continually try to divert us from the truth, just like that old serpent, by saying, “look at yourself. We have to judge ourselves and not others.” Not knowing that many are judging themselves first and striving to practice what the Bible says! Those who point the finger at those who speak the truth are the ones who are judging unrighteously and they are the real hypocrite Pharisees!

  148. Christian journalist Aug 30th 2012

    I am not one of those deluded which someone said in a previous comment mentioning brother Andrew Strom because he dares to stand up and be counted.
    Then in another comment this was said “from the posts I’ve been reading I see very little of love,”
    The question I would raise do we put our heads in the sand as to what is happening in America and to this nation?
    For those discerning, these are the EnTimes and there is no doubt about it. The political and spiritual effects are disturbing and to include what is happening to the many countries who are part of the EU and Nato.
    The Middle East is set to have a war against Israel and it is no good saying that it serves Israel right.
    What had hapened to New Orleans seven years to this date and is hapening now with Hurricane Issac is a forewarning of what is to come. Tremendous storms, flooding of huge proportions, famines and drought on a scale beyond comprehension, has become a talking point with everyone, Even my son is saying “Dad, Jesus is coming soon” and “further disasters will happen.”
    Do we take heed of these warnings from God or do we say “ah well, it happened before and will happen again.”
    The church is restricted by political correctness in appeasing other religions. As well as christians are being persecuted for their faith and being murdered in Asian, African, Islamic countries and so forth, the western church so far has got off lightly. But that is changing fast in the United Kingdom. Just look at the courts cases that has been reported on for christians standing up to be counted for Christ and His teachings. This is not vindictive but the love of Christ reflected in lifestyles and beliefs.
    While there are folk who claim to be prophets of God and are acclaimed to be prophets in the church, why have not they stood before the kings, queens, leaders of nation boldly proclaiming the Word of God given. Have they not learnt from the Old Testament prophets whom are talked about? No, for they say their utterances to the “converted” and their followers. Then they write books about themselves, speak dvds and cds, etc which are sold to makes themselves known in the christian church and to become celebrities. But outside of the four walls of church buildings, conferences, and organised gatherings, they are not known. King Ahab knew about the prophet Elijah and his wife wanted Elijah killed.
    What is being pushed aside, being swept under the carpet, said that it has been with us since Adam and Eve is SIN. What many are trying to avoid is that one word called REPENTANCE. Then of course, to attract bums on seats and to modernise christianity and the Word of God, is make them to be something and using the phrase which abounds in the christian church “God is doing something new.”
    Well, it must be said that God is not doing something – it is because people have not carried out His instructions in the first place, missing out on sound biblical doctrine.
    Andrew has been criticised about using Noah as an example. Praise the Lord that he did as this is very important what happened in the days of Noah is happening now.
    The same applies to the what happened in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah using New Orleans as an example. The same applies to other cities and towns which homosexuality has become the norm. The goverment of the United Kingdom is in the process of allowing same sex marriages and homosexuality to become the norm as well.
    The Word of God is specific so it His prophetic word.
    Do we take heed, stand up and be counted, call the church and our nations to REPENTANCE, or sit in our pews, hide in our homes as sanctuaries, and make excuses that this is no concern for us – because this is normal for the 21st century.
    By the way, web sites such as Andrew’s will, be closed later due to being monitored.
    And yes, my e-mails and telephone calls have been monitored by GCHQ, the government listening post for the UK.
    If you still argue,question the judgement of Almighty God, what His prophetic word declares, and dismiss the Book of Revelation as irrelevant for today, then you do so at your peril.
    For I have seen comments on a christian web site as “John must have been smoking maurjauna or was taking drugs for the visions he was experiencing,” They were trying to explain away why Revelation was difficult to understand and comprehend compared with the four gospels.
    So please do not get into the habit of watering down what Andrew has shared.
    May he and other brethren continue to share with the Body of Christ what is happening around us and their countries.
    It is wondered what will happen afterwards if Mormon Mitt Romney and his deputy a devout Roman Catholic called Paul Ryan, will deal with religion and the financial mess of America, if elected in November.
    After all, there has been a call to christians to support and vote for Mitt Romney as the next president of the United State of America, in getting rid of Barack Obama.

  149. Buyanzi Aug 30th 2012

    Dear Christian. I am not one to put my head in the sand at all, it has been quite the opposite, but done in love. Friend, there is a deep pit on either side of the road, too far left or right, I choose to stand with Jesus Christ and not water down what He says and not man. I think Andrew has some truth, as well as you and I, but we only have part of that and not all so be careful to be a respector of any one persons for we all fall short, lift no man or woman up as anyone’s doctrine can be deluded because we are still of flesh and can be deceived at any time. I filter, EVERYTHING that comes from a human mouth, yes my own as well. And getting rid of Obama is not the bigger picture. While he is being used of the enemy, God is still on the throne and even the plans of the enemy will be used by God to fufill scripture. Revelation 17:17 God bless you brother and look to fruits of the holy spirit, not the words of a man or woman. Selah…..

  150. Issac is moving 7 miles per hour. Prophetic…yes!

  151. Amen Christian Journalist! So many must be blinded to Jesus’ own words in Matthew 24!! Take note that the wicked were taken and the righteous were left!!

    Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

  152. Teshuva Aug 30th 2012

    Amen Rob Zionfreak!

    Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    And it’s meaning is that the flesh will return to the dust/earth and the spirit will return unto God who gave it.
    !+1=2

  153. Andrew Aug 30th 2012

    ANDREW STROM REPLIES:

    If we cannot see that Homosexuality is being used by the enemy as the “front edge” of his plan to take the hearts of the young in our culture, we are not seeing at all.

    Many Christians are now scared to stand and declare what serious sin Homosexuality is. In the next generation many will welcome it – even in the church.

    If we do not make a stand on this, future generations will be lost. It is essential. It is LOVE and MERCY to do so.

    Being silent is the thing that is really “hateful”.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom.

  154. Shannon Aug 30th 2012

    I’m from Louisiana. We need people with boats to help rescue people who are trapped. If you can help please wait until the storm has passed to do so but our rescue workers do need help especially if you have a boat. Thanks

  155. Shannon Aug 30th 2012

    A lot of our sick and elderly couldn’t evacuate like every one else has. You can contact our parish law enforcement or the red cross if u have access to a boat. Thanks

  156. Shannon Aug 30th 2012

    Mississippi needs help also. Their coast is completely under water. Please help if you can

  157. Andrew Aug 30th 2012

    My heart goes out to you, Shannon. We bought teams down and made a base down there after Katrina to help people. I am no longer in the USA – but I’m sure Christians will do so again.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom.

  158. Teshuva Aug 30th 2012

    Andrew,
    I do not dispute that homosexuality is a sin, and is darkness.
    I can only reply with what the Lord gave me many years ago, which is that He would allow it to become blatant, so that people could ask Him to move in their lives.
    I can not therefore believe that the enemy has more power than God.

  159. Andrew Aug 30th 2012

    So we say nothing and let our young be lost, Teshuva?

  160. Teshuva Aug 30th 2012

    Andrew,
    I gave to you what the Lord gave to me.
    If I had children I would pray for them, and of course talk with them. I would NOT want my child to live that lifestyle.
    It is a hard lifestyle at best.
    If I were speaking to another persons child, i would have to wait for the Lord to direct my words.
    On one occasion, I was to tell a person who debated with me as to it being wrong or right, to only tell him that when the Lord dealt with him then he would see, and to point him to Him.
    If my words are NOT directed of the Lord then though they are godly, they could do more harm than good.

  161. But our God is in heaven;He does whatever He pleases.(Psalm115:3
    Whatever the Lord pleases He does(Psalm135:6)
    We ought to stick to what He has told us to do.
    When He sent out the 12/also the 70,He said,1 Declare. The kingdom at hand,
    2 heal the sick, 3 Cast out demons
    The homosexual needs all 3 of these.
    Is the church doing these 3
    Get out of it if it isn’t!!!!!!

  162. Teshuva Aug 30th 2012

    I rather liked the one where He said, come unto Me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest.
    He stops the noisome pestilence and then goes to work, offering something better than we think we have already.
    His goodness is what brings about repentance.

  163. Thank you Christian. Well, said.

  164. Isn’t ALL scripture inspired by God and useful….?

    Amos 3:6

    “If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid?
    If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it?”

    Psalm 107:25

    “For He commands and raises the stormy wind,
    Which lifts up the waves of the sea.”

    Psalm 148:7-8

    “Praise the Lord from the earth,
    You great sea creatures and all the depths;
    Fire and hail, snow and clouds;
    Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;”

  165. Isn’t ALL scripture inspired by God and useful….?

    Amos 3:6

    “If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid?
    If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it?”

    Psalm 107:25

    “For He commands and raises the stormy wind,
    Which lifts up the waves of the sea.”

    Psalm 148:7-8

    “Praise the Lord from the earth,
    You great sea creatures and all the depths;
    Fire and hail, snow and clouds;
    Stormy wind, fulfilling His word;”

  166. 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    Blessings

    Ken.

  167. Tyrone, you need to stick with Pauline Doctrine.

    Blessings

    Ken

  168. Ibelieve Aug 30th 2012

    QUOTE: Andrew Wrote: If we cannot see that Homosexuality is being used by the enemy as the “front edge” of his plan to take the hearts of the young in our culture, we are not seeing at all. UNQUOTE

    This will also be the instrument the devil uses to persecute the true church of Jesus Christ as well.

    We will be seen as hateful and not wanting to get along with society and its view of tolerance by not accepting this vile sinful practice.

    Being silent is like hiding your light under a bushel because you do not want to offend anyone.

    Lord Bless,
    Gary

  169. Teshuva Aug 30th 2012

    You keep referring to them as your enemies.
    Below are Mat.5:44 in the King James and the Aramaic, because this is what I read.

    King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
    But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    But I say to you, love your enemies and bless the one who curses you, and do what is beautiful to the one who hates you, and pray over those who take you by force and persecute you.

    These are Yeshua’s words and ones I prefer to follow and have seen work. And this light, I will not hide under a bushel.

  170. Andrew Aug 30th 2012

    They are not just “practicing” Homosexuality.

    They are “preaching” it and ‘converting’ the youth to embrace it as “good”.

    What they push is actually “spiritual” propaganda – a false gospel of ‘sin-celebration’ that totally denigrates the Bible. A much more serious thing.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  171. If we are thinking that the sin of homosexuality will infiltrate and ruin the western church you are behind the curve. The western church has been consumed by the culture of hedonism and it no longer follows Christ. Taking a stand against homosexuality is a diversion and aids in decieving believers that they are following the way of Jesus.
    What we need to do is take a stand against our own sin and plead with God to send a revival within the church, where judgment must begin. While we follow these moral crusades we are blind to the utter decay in evangelicalism. The mote in our own eyes obscures the monstrous betrayal of the western church.
    While we do sentry duty concerning the gay community the evil one preaches in our pulpits, lives in our homes, and plunders our families. We are practicing traditional marriage with traditional divorce and we do not believe that is affecting our young people? The church is in a shambles, but we stand against the sin of the lost?
    It isn’t the gay agenda that has eviscerated the church. It’s the carnal and hedonistic heterosexuals. But as long as we have the gays to shoot we will continue to walk in a spiritual condition with no mirrors.
    Rev.21:8 – 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    It does not include homosexuality even though they would be included in unbelieving and whoremongers. God does not seem to embrace the same preoccupation as do we. We need an enemy to soothe our seared consciences concering our own condition. You want to keep sin (homosexuality) out of the church? Let us fall on our faces before God and beg for His power to return after we have an elongated and painful season of repentance.
    Like Samson, we are powerless and we do not even know it. You want to see a denigration of the Bible? There are many exhibitions of that very thing in scores of churches in your very city, and many of them rant against gays. There is a word for that.

  172. Teshuva Aug 30th 2012

    So I should return evil for evil, and lose my inheritance or blessing?

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    And you should not repay a person evil for evil, neither insults for insults; but to the contrary of these things, give blessings, for you are called to this, that you would inherit blessing.

  173. Andrew Aug 30th 2012

    “Insults”?? Not at all.

    Simply preaching the truth.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  174. Ibelieve Aug 30th 2012

    Rick Frueh

    I wish all of that was true but its not. God has a people hidden away who are listening to His voice. As the Lord told Elijah I have those who have not bowed the knee to baal.

    Even the prophet Elijah did not know of this number. There is an elect of God out there who are pressing into the Spirit of God.

    I agree that the dead church has left the true gospel and yes they are following another Jesus that the scriptures speak of.

    But at the same time the Bible speaks of the “elect” of God. If it were possible it says, but I take this to mean it is not possible because God has some in the palm of His hands who He will keep throughout eternity.

    Man looks upon the outward appearance of circumstances but the God of the universe sees the whole picture.

    Lord Bless,
    Gary

  175. IBelieve – I garee, and that remnant will see how the walls are burned with fire and the sacred is mixed with the profane. Again, it is possible to focus so strongly on others that we miss what the Spirit is saying to us. Speak the truth with love and do not make the fields the enemy, make them the harvest.

  176. So I’m minding my own business,this person walks up to me and say’s,”I think of suicide every day”
    I don’t know this person and they don’t know me.
    My first thought is run they are nuts or maybe evil.(lean not on your own
    Understanding).The Pharises always judged first!!!!!
    The Spirit rose up in me and I cast out 4 spirits and then lead the person in
    The sinner’s prayer,( I could have asked, but didn’t)
    How did this person find me?
    It’s above my pay grade,I’m just a soldier in the army of God
    Why did this person approach me?
    Again ,above my pay grade!!!!!
    We need to spend less time judging and more time looking for God
    where we least expect him.
    Be doer’s and not mere hears
    Always hearing but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
    God is so much bigger than any of us know!!!!!!!

  177. Men like Rob Bell and Joel Osteen and Rick Joyner are more dangerous to the church than all the gays put together.

  178. Poor exegesis of Lev. 20. Luke 13 is explicit on this matter, “tragic” events are not because of sin, but because mankind is fallen.

    1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no!

  179. debylynne Aug 30th 2012

    rick frueh – you are right. they ARE dangerous – but, since when do we ‘choose’ between dangers – we are called of God to speak up in BOLDNESS against ALL that come against the truth of the real gospel of JESUS CHRIST….ALL.
    i have spoken up concerning the very ones you have listed here and lost friends and family members because of it – but, we can’t ‘pick and choose’ which parts of GOD’S TRUTH we will stand on or which of HIS enemies we will ‘stand against with HIM’ and leave the rest alone to continue in the hands of the enemy to try and destroy FAITH IN THE WORD AND THE LIVING GOD.
    it’s NEVER one or the ‘other’…….

    as for all the speaking of ‘love’. OF COURSE we are to operate in the LOVE OF GOD that is ‘shed abroad in our hearts’ – why is this even a ????
    every single homosexual or any other type of ‘sinner’ is an individual whom JESUS died for – as an individual they deserve mercy and grace and the OPPORTUNITY to come to know HIM and be born again – as a ‘member of a group’ with an agenda to DESTROY trust in the Word of God because it stands against their lifestyle – they make themselves an ENEMY of God. THEY. MAKE. THEMSELVES. AN. ENEMY. OF. GOD…..sigh…….YES, pray for them, YES!! but do NOT ‘hold your peace’ in some namby pamby way and call it ‘love’ – ‘this’ is NOT a love that God recognizes.

    the LORD JESUS said He came to ‘bring a sword’ – HIS words – we aren’t ‘fighting people’ – we are WITHSTANDING the powers of darkness operating THROUGH these people…..and any TRUE believer KNOWS THIS WITHOUT QUESTION…….BUT the ‘enemy’ uses PEOPLE as his instruments to wreak havoc and spread destruction in order to STEAL the souls of the ‘unknowing’ – the naive ones – they hear words like ‘tolerance’ and ‘acceptance’ and it SOUNDS SO GOOD – but cloaked in all that ‘sweet sounding rhetoric’ are the lies that DESTROY children, men and women by causing them to ‘deny the VALIDITY of the very Word of God’.

    and to those that think we shouldn’t truly speak UP and tell a homosexual that they are on a path of DEATH, let the Word of God once more SPEAK and if you ‘hear’ any other word – REJECT IT – humble yourself – it is NOT of the LORD…..THIS is what the LORD says:
    Ezekiel 3
    17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me: 18 When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 19 Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

    20 “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die; because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21 Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; also you will have delivered your soul.”

  180. Dave S Aug 30th 2012

    Surely we have been entrusted with the message, hurricane Isaac is like a message inscribed on stone, which brings death. I find Christians that are fixated with Old Testament type Gods anger at sin, have cursed mankind and are not Good News. The bad theology has squeezed the love of God and they sit passively by in judgement, no wonder many are angry at the God they represent.

  181. debylynne Aug 30th 2012

    i would also like to add that andrew brought this to our attention, but he ALSO brings to the attention of those that will listen the DANGERS of these ‘other men’, as well. this is the ‘subject’ of the moment because this is what has come to the forefront at this time – and NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF US made that so………
    so, let’s quit ‘laying blame’ on those that are trying to ‘fight the good fight of faith’ and stand with ALL those throughout history who REFUSED to be silenced when THEY stood upon HIS Word and would NOT be muzzled – ok??? ok.

  182. Yea right. You think god singled out a random event to send a hurricane as ‘judgment’? The bible is full of dumbass assumptions just like this. Its obvious that people still want a god to push the blame off on just because they don’t like something,

    Enjoy your closed small minded thinking. May your life be consumed with your own judgement projected a god on others just because your pansy ass religious insecurities make your life utterly boring.

  183. i keep trying to come up with a proper response to this blog and the comments that followed, but pretty much the only thing that i can think to say that really applies (besides what blake just said) is this…. you people are all really screwed in the head.

  184. the year previous to Katrina a pastor videotaped the 100,000 sodomites naked having sex in front of families on Bourbon St and protested to the city. THe city’s response to him was to go jump in a lake, and they went further by making the gay festival an official New Orleans, which would start the following year (2005). The EXACT DAY this Decadence festival was was to start, Katrina wiped the city clean (they found their lake).
    2008 Hurricane Gustav hit New Orleans – again – on THE EXACT SAME DAY this sodomite festival was to begin. The entire city was evacuated (including the festival).
    2012 is the 3RD YEAR in the 7 years since New Orleans made the sodomite Decadance an official event, in which a hurricane hit New Orleans on THE EXACT DAY it was to start.

  185. superstition…

  186. This sounds more like the “Allah” that the radical muslims talk about saying that God was bringing punishment on the U.S during 911…saying our bombs will not be able to stop the coming judgment that Allah was going to bring. I can’t believe people actually believe this stuff.

  187. Yeah, Harold Camping had his numbers too.. and all the books that quoted “why God is coming back in 19XX”.. as well. It is all fear based

  188. here is the problem with trying to connect some act of nature with national sin… for every public ‘sin’ there are millions of private sins… children who are abused, innocent people who are murdered, homosexuals who are hated… and yet where is the judgment of god on behalf of these people??? why does god see fit to destroy cities, cities that are home to not just wicked sinful people but to good decent god fearing people as well and yet allow some perverted child molester to keep doing what he is doing with no threat of a hurricane simply because he lives in the midwest??? oh wait, i guess that’s what tornadoes are for…….

  189. fear based is right… because when the fear of this ‘disaster’ has passed they will find something else to intimidate people with.
    silly people, god himself said in his oh so special bible that he doesn’t give us a spirit of fear…….. oh snap.

  190. I’m not very familiar with ministries that heal homosexuals,but would sure like
    to hear what they think.

  191. Scott, having observed major disasters which always seem to coincide w/ incidence of major defiance associated with a governmental office for many years, (too many to be coincidence), it is my opinion (just an opinion), that it seems to happen when there is a city, state, or nation which goes out of its way to stick its thumb at our Creator. God is a God of GRACE and MERCY. All who repent are forgiven, He is not concerned with judging every sin any more than Jesus (who forgave and healed almost everyone He came in contact with). However, if a NATION is going down a path which could ultimately result in EVERYONE’s judgment, due to an unsalvageable spiral of sin, (or bankruptcy) then He steps in for the purpose of sending a MESSAGE, for our ultimate GOOD.

    If an entire nation goes under, then there is no hope.

  192. (cont) Keep in mind, there was 60 years of voodoo, satanism, and occult in that town. At some point, that needed to be turned around. The “good people” (whoever that is), who prayed and cried out, God probably wasnt able to answer their prayer due to the Free Will of men who ran the city. Maybe that was an only option. Or maybe the town kicked God out many moons ago. Maybe it wasnt God who destroyed, but the enemy which had legal access. We reap what we invite. MAN has dominion on Earth (good and bad). MEN invite in God or the other one

  193. Kathleen Aug 30th 2012

    This needs to be repeated:

    They are not just “practicing” Homosexuality.

    They are “preaching” it and ‘converting’ the youth to embrace it as “good”.

  194. ValleyAnt Aug 30th 2012

    Hate long ones, but I’m on my phone and tend to type more here than on my laptop. Apologies to those who also hate long ones :)

    Two things:

    Firstly, Dawn Jacobson said, “I do not believe God causes these natural catastrophes but they come because the earth itself is groaning under the weight of its sin.” Absolutely. Sin (not pollution or CFCs) is behind ‘global warming’ and these “various earthquakes in diverse places.” Jesus didn’t say God would cause these things; He said rather that these things will happen towards the end. I glanced once, and I don’t see God’s signature on these hurricanes. If they were of God and trying to get the attention of sinners, God’s knocking on the wrong door: “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten, therefore, be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock…” The call to repent and the responsibility to live holy is for God’s People first. If He’s going after homosexuals while Christians are also in sin, it makes Him a hypocrite. This isn’t the way God operates. Furthermore, “where sin abounds, Grace abounds more.” We aren’t of the spirit that calls down or agrees for fire to consume sinners, otherwise, many of us would be consumed also.

    Secondly: this is off-topic mostly but happens to tie directly to this issue of homosexuality (but the agreement is in the spirit and is not outwardly apparent). Andrew Strom, it’s disconcerting that the issue of the Jezebel spirit, who happens to be one of the highest level spirits and main promoter of homosexuality (believe it or not) hasn’t been given much hearing on this site. I would think the prophets whom she hates so much would hate her in return. In the last article about leaders, Ibelieve asked a question which caused me to realize the need for the true prophetic ministry to finally drag this pressing issue to the fore and pursue it till there is resolution. Are you not aware that Jezebel is the ‘main executive arm’ in destroying and defiling the Prophetic Movement you came out of; that she’s the one who opposes and murders the prophets and the prophetic voice; that she often traps/binds Christians from God’s will by promising to ‘release’ them into their ‘destiny’ but is actually a principal stealer of destiny and murderer of one’s identity in Christ, often literally barring the way to many people’s destiny; that she’s addressed as a she but is a severe and warring entity hell-bent on people’s destruction; that she will use every means at her disposal to oppose those called to leadership in the Body of Christ; that she’s the one who led the rebellious charge which forced the shutdown of the JBTV forum (then left after her work was done)? My question: since this spirit is behind almost everything that is wicked, including homosexuality (for certain) which you seem to hate, why does it get such low regard among prophets? If you think the Church can get by ‘talking prophetic’ without confronting or exposing or dealing with this ancient evil and murderer of the true prophetic voice, know that this thing will CONTINUE to eat Christians for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It’s not twiddling its thumbs, and it’s not playing around; it’s breathing vengeance against [everyone in general], intimidating most, and hiding well while murdering.

    As Ibelieve quoted, Jesus fingered this spirit, saying, “I have a few things against you, because you ALLOW that woman Jezebel who calls herself a prophetess…” Men are quick to ALLOW (ie. be passive about) women in places not suited for them which can bring in this wicked spirit in no time; but Paul clearly said, not of ill will but through wisdom in order to avoid the cunning maneuvering, crafty planning, and preemptive scheming of this wicked spirit, “I do not ALLOW a woman to teach…” If the Jezebel spirit has become such a FORCE in the world, thoroughly defiled the Prophetic Movement, rages against all authority, and merited a mention from the Lord Himself (who only mentioned two ruling spirits: satan and Jezebel), don’t you think it’s wise to sometime give it some attention as the Lord who is wise gave it attention. Our battle is not against homosexuals and sinners but against the principal spirits and spiritual rulers who sit in thrones (as rightful authorities over areas) and occupy dominions (areas where GOD has permitted them jurisdiction). It’s not the homosexuals in New Orleans, San Francisco, Atlanta, or Philadelphia who are an issue but these ruling spirits, Jezebel being one of the highest, who are at work in those given to disobedience, seeking to force God’s hand of judgment by getting people and cities and nations to ‘fill up their cups’ or ‘fill up the measure of their sins’. Our part is to not just pray but also allow God’s unedited, unfiltered, unpretentious, ‘un-doctored’ kindness to show through us to these people. While we sit about wondering about the ‘storms of God’, Jezebel and like spirits are devouring the souls of Christians and unbelievers who are in sin or are confused or broken. Where should our focus be: for Christians, repentance; for the world, salvation.

  195. Andrew Aug 30th 2012

    I believe the “Jezebel” spirit is mentioned only once in the entire New Testament – and not at all in the epistles or gospels.

    If it were so critically important, I think it would have got more attention.

    But certainly, I do not “ignore” the topic.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  196. ValleyAnt Aug 30th 2012

    Must add that I didn’t read all the comments (only the first several). Will read later then respond (will be much briefer). This homosexuality issue really has gotten everyone’s attention, but I fashion that due to the vital signs of Christianity at the moment, it’s good to have false Christianity exposed by as many ‘issues’ as possible by its powerlessness to meet and deal with pretty much every single issue that presents itself. There’ll be good in all these bad circumstances for those who desire to really follow the Lord.

  197. TheDude Aug 30th 2012

    We all know what is going to happen in the end (at least those that have read our Bibles). Some of the details we might disagree on here and there, but the end result is the same. God’s kingdom is not of this earth and we all know society will get worse and worse, including further moral deprivation (which includes homosexuality, pedophilia, pornography, adultery, extra-marital sex, etc.). Does anyone doubt we are living in a perverse generation?

    The difference as I see it is that we are not to go on campaigns trying to mold and shape society. Our commission is to preach the gospel and make disciples, not to convert the world.

    Andrew, you and I don’t disagree that homosexuality is sinful (and something I personally find disgusting); however, as I look at the New Testament I see the warnings given primarily to believers. Hence, we should be warning our fellow believers not to engage in sinful behavior, including homosexuality.

    You’ve made some previous posts opposing those who want to “Christianize” society, and I agree with those sentiments

    Let us continue to sound the clarion of warning to our fellow brothers and sisters to oppose sin in their own lives. The unrepentant are doomed to hell and all the campaigning is not going to change that.

    As for me, let’s focus on our areas of agreement. I believe we share the same doctrine and I don’t want to dishonor our Lord by swallowing camels while we’re straining out gnats.

    Andrew, in closing, please keep up the good work you’re doing. We may not agree on this issue, but that doesn’t affect my respect and support for you in battling against the works of the enemy that you have been diligently pointing out in the past (kundalini spirit, false prophets, etc.). I believe it is those areas that God has gifted you in and given you a calling to sound the warning, and I will continue to support you in those efforts.

  198. Andrew Aug 30th 2012

    Thanks, Dude.

    -Andrew

  199. Serenity Aug 30th 2012

    God is sovereign. We don’t understand all His ways, but He sure works along the same Scriptural principles all through His inspired Word. (The Holy Bible.)

    At some point, events become more than just coincidence.
    Just a few weeks ago, in New Zealand, a Bill was drawn out of the ballot to be debated. Immediately, lobbying began. As the voices of its supporters became strident, another ‘voice’ was heard. An extinct volcano that no-one on Earth today had heard, began to make its ‘voice’ heard on August 7, 2012, at 10 minutes to midnight. A sudden awakening !

    Roaring sound, rocks, ash, … AND sulphurous fumes swirling around the nation’s capital and Parliament Buildings. The sulphurous fumes had gone south, against the prevailing wind.

    ‘As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example of eternal fire, suffering punishment.’ Jude 7.

    God, our Creator, has made His attitude to ‘strange flesh’ evident for thousands of years. Those of us who know Him, fear Him with a great respect. Who would trifle with a consuming fire ? (and expect not to be burned).
    God works in different ways, in different places, at different times. It’s His choice.
    How far will NZ go in their own tempting the Lord to deal with their abominations ???

  200. Ezekiel Rose Aug 30th 2012

    So is the drought judgment or just part of the climate cycle? I think the full impact of it has yet to be felt by the nation.

  201. Ibelieve Aug 30th 2012

    I feel like they are forcing their sin on society, and they are quick to attack Christianity.

    Let’s not forget one thing here.

    Jesus said John the Baptist was more then a prophet and spoke highly of him.

    If John the Baptist would of remained silent, Herod would not have had him beheaded for coming against his adulteress relationship with his brothers wife.

    I don’t think the prophets of old would of remained silent about all the homosexual sin.

    Lord Bless,
    Gary

  202. Dear Brothers & Sisters The only time I see the church come together is to bash homosexuality. I’ve attended many different churches { Different Denominations} and they all have one thing in commen. They only seem to get gung ho and united when they come against a sin that they themselves have overcome. But they don’t come against the sin, they come against the sinner.

    Jesus never preached against a specific sin. He never named a specific sin. He said go and sin no more. One of the greatest preachers in the Bible Paul use to kill Christians and God changed him.

    When I became a Christian I use to think at least I never killed anyone. There for in my mind I was better than them. I wasn’t as bad as them. As an ex alcoholic I wanted to go into all the bars and tell everyone about Jesus but I never found any takers.

    Jesus even told His deciples if you go into this place and no one will listen to kick the dust off your sandles and leave this place.

    I attended a Pentacostal Church which I use to bring many alcoholics and drug addicts to. We always sat in the front and the Pastor use to always come down and greet my friends. Unfortunately He was one of the few who did this. He was an amazing Preacher and Teacher and one Sunday morning He announced He had resigned because He had an affair. Six months later He died of a heart attack. I Pray that was right with God.

    Jesus Presence changed people. He never had to gang up with anyone and bash a specific sin. He was sinless!!!

    Imagine the result We would have on this world if We were.

    AMEN!!!

  203. Rick Joyner blames how Israel is wrongly treated for natural disasters,this site blames homosexuals, tea party,fox news,Rush,and. New agers using oil.
    Can’t we see that blaming doesn’t work
    Prophets are to warn, but also heal.
    Take Nathan in David’s life!!!!!!
    Take Jeramiah the weeping prophet,the list goes on.1 Kings 18:19 shows you
    Revival–you get prophets of Baal and Asherah(eat at Jezebel’s table)
    You better have the spirit of Elijah on your side or you’ ll not prosper.
    The seven church’s of Rev 2&3 are alive and well today,not taking Christ’s
    warnings here is exactly why the prophetic movements have little wisdom!!!!

  204. I also noticed we had O hurricanes this year except this one and it hit New Orleans again. I also think the first one was an “EYE FOR AN EYE” thing as President Bush had just gone to Israel and asked them to give away land specifically Jerusalem.
    Do not touch MY LAND.

  205. Christian journalist Aug 30th 2012

    This will be my last contribution to what has been shared with everyone making their comments.
    When people say that the God of the Old Testament is different from Him mentioned in the New Testament, then they must be confused over Almighty God and what He declares in His word called the Bible.
    There are those within the christian church who read the NT but fail to read the OT. There are those who abuse scripture to suit themselves and ignore the rest of the Bible. Hence cults such as Mormons and JWs. There are christian leaders who have built and continue to build their empires to accommodate their followers. There are false teachers and prophets who have infiltrated the church and are leading christians astray to all sorts of man made doctrines and practices, hence the name and claim it brigade, the self made tv envangelists who use false prosperity theology for them to live luxuraious lifestyles.
    The Apostle Paul would have contended the faith by either writing or visiting them. But we have no such godly apostles of today. Instead, we have man made positions using wordly techniques and manufacturing another gospel, inviting occult practices and demonic spirits, to delude even the elect. All dressed up to be christianity and the church.
    All of these things are not, so be warned how DECEPTION will continue and its cloak put on the deceive further.
    One cannot and dare not belittle the Sovereign God Almighty but many have done so and will continue as they themselves have no relationship with our Creator. They make pretence and it is well documented for all to see.
    And by concluding, what it being sown shall be reaped, and while people have no time for the Judgement of God of both the Old and New Testaments which has been read on this web site, then expect His wrath to come due to disobedience, greed, having no respect for the Lord Jesus Christ, despising our Creator, doing you own thing in His sight, and mocking Almighty God in the process.
    The warnings are there for the Last Days. And yes, these are the End Times.
    So get on with the COMMISSION which The Lord Jesus Christ has given. And do this while you can and are able.
    Lastly, I say Shalom!
    May the Lord bless you all.

  206. Ibelieve Aug 30th 2012

    2 Timothy 4:1-3

    4 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
    2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers

  207. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:12 NASB)

    If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE. (1 Corinthians 15:32 NASB)

    When they heard this and were filled with rage, they began crying out, saying, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!” (Acts 19:28 NASB)

    This became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who lived in Ephesus; and fear fell upon them all and the name of the Lord Jesus was being magnified. Many also of those who had believed kept coming, confessing and disclosing their practices. And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So the word of the Lord was growing mightily and prevailing. (Acts 19:17-20 NASB)

    The public defeat of the ruling principality in Ephesus – Artemis of the Ephesians – who is another arm of Jezebel (“the Queen of Heaven” in Old Testament times) or another guise for Jezebel – brought the amazing freedom for the word of the Lord to grow mightily and prevail through the Apostle Paul…

    He confronted the ruling principality and once it was defeated – although it was like “fighting wild beasts” he then gained the freedom to speak the word with great boldness and power and many were saved…

    The Lord even gave him a specific word for this situation,

    for I am with you, and no man will attack you in order to harm you, for I have many people in this city. (Acts 18:10 NASB)

    This protected him from what Elijah ran from – the wrath of Jezebel…

    We must first bind the strong man then we can plunder his house…

    But no one can enter the strong man’s house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house. (Mark 3:27 NASB)

    This is the principle of spiritual warfare…

    Go to the root and destroy it…

    The tree will then fall…

    Remember the Anointing that is on us is to proclaim release to the captives…

    THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD. (Luke 4:18-19 NASB)

    We can only proclaim that release once we have bound the strong man…

    Otherwise nothing in the spiritual atmosphere will have changed…

    Remember the mandate given to Jeremiah,

    See, today I appoint you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant. (Jeremiah 1:10 NIV)

    Before we can “build and plant” (in the captives) we must “uproot, tear down, destroy and overthrow” (the captors)…

    First in the spirit (the spiritual realm) then in the natural (the earthly realm)…

  208. Stephen St. Louis Aug 30th 2012

    No one will ever convince me that God doesn’t hate the sin of Homosexuality. Does He hate it more then other sins? Argue that if you want. Even a little bit of His wrath towards something is enough for me to want to steer clear of it so it makes no difference. The problem I see is that when people get so bent out of shape over it they immediately stop speaking the truth in love. I know people who are gay. I’ve talked with them. Some are even family. They know where I stand on it but I’ve only taken issue with one of them and that was because she dared call herself a christian lesbian. I flat out told her that’s impossible and she stopped calling herself that, at least in my presence.

    I agree with Andrew that they are not just seeking their rights to live as they please and have moved on to promoting their lifestyle and that is deplorable. God will deal with them as he will with all who teach sin and it won’t be pleasant but those of you in an uproar over it should have started getting upset a long time ago.

    It didn’t start here. If you read that whole passage of Romans 1:18 – 31 and into Romans 2 we see a number of things.

    1. Man is without excuse

    vs. 20. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    2. They didn’t glorify God or care to retain knowledge of Him

    vs. 21 – 22 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

    vs. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    vs. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

    3. God gave them over to their sin.

    vs. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

    vs. 26 – 27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    vs. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

    What ought not to be done? More then JUST homosexuality.

    vs. 29 – 32 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

    My point is this. If its ONLY homosexuality that gets your nose out of joint have a good look at yourself because you should be getting bent out of shape about it all and you should have been getting bent out of shape a long time ago.

    I don’t believe homosexuality is the leading edge. I think forgetting God, teaching that man came from monkeys and God was not involved, and that we are just animals but more highly evolved was the leading edge and now we are so far into the woods that people don’t even remember that their was a time when the Genesis creation was the principle belief about where man came from.

    People have to forget God before they can descend into moral awfulness. The next step into darkness is political anarchy so unless this gets turned around (and God now is the only one who can) get ready for turmoil the likes of which the world has not see in a very long time.

  209. if the hurricane was a warning/sign of future judgment then it was a lousy one… cause the only people who recognize it as such are the ones who hate homosexuals. the rest of us normal people just call it the weather.
    thanks Jesus for finally getting into this conversation. next time you need to pick a more recognizable sign for us all to see like maybe a church burning down or a priest molesting a young boy. or how about a gay person committing suicide because they are so guilt ridden they can’t live with themselves…… THAT should get everyone’s attention……….

  210. watchful Aug 30th 2012

    Once we realize we don’t have to look very far to find Jezebel, we are well on our way to defeating “her” because she is the one who is sitting on the throne of OUR hearts where she doesn’t belong – “she” is none other than our old man and satan. And we are the Ahabs who let her rule over us instead of Christ………..Jezebel is not the bigger problem, Ahab is. And the cross is the answer – once Ahab “died” it was a comparative cinch to topple Jez from that high place (in OUR hearts) and end her reign. The good fight of faith begins with ourselves, and when we keep the word of His patience and allow Him to complete that good work He began in us, then we will be ready to take on the works that He has prepared in advance for us, in our weakness (eunuchs) with His perfect strength, our new man Christ (His nature & power) now ruling and reigning.

  211. ValleyAnt Aug 30th 2012

    Andrew, it appears to be a critical issue, but it’s probably a focus more for some than for others. More important than issues, I pray that God will give you peace as you do what He directs you to do and that He keeps you from any condemnation from the enemy.

  212. Peter Sharpe Aug 30th 2012

    Returnign, briefly, to the centraol premise that the hurricane is adirect and specific judegemtn/warning about SPECIFICALLY the gay issue of a SPECIFIC event in New Orleans (unless somehow one is to buy into theconcept that this would, by proxy, be hitting the entire “homosexual issue” for the US). In asserting that this event (or Katrina, or any other hurricane) is for that explicit purpose, you are also implying that all the other devastation caused by the hurricane making landfall BEFORE it hits the US is somehow also part of the Divine purpose? Maybe those countries and people getting trashed are also under judgement, hmmm?

    I refute the basic premise that this event, or Katrina, can possibly be linked with specific “judgements” in such a way. To make that linkage says more about the mentality and fear and preoccupations of a certain section of those who purport to follow Jesus than it does about Him and His Kingdom and actions.

  213. Thank you Andrew Strom. As I was reading through the comments, your boldness came to me. Proverbs 28:1 – The wicked man flees through no one pursues, but the righteous are as BOLD as a lion.
    Thank you for keeping it all so “simple” and allowing God to teach “truth” through you.
    It begins with “listening” to the voice of God.
    May God continue protecting you as you bring forth His Word.
    Is. 7:9 – If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.
    ~No One Can Stand Against The Almighty God.
    Bless you :)

  214. Stephen St. Louis,

    SO…I can assume then by your comment about the Christian Lesbian… that you never eat shellfish, or wear clothes that are woven of different materials? (You don’t have to answer that, I already know.)

    Cause that too, is an abomination to Dad. So…If you do, then you better not call yourself a Christian either.

    Gee, do you see how absolutely foolish, down right ignorant, that is?!! You all seem to not remember how I treated, and what I thought of, the ‘Religious Elite’ in my day. It would do you all good to re-read that part of the book you worship.

    I am so disheartened on how so many of you think you can determine the salvation of others. Really?!?!

    Why don’t you Love ME, Love your neighbor (Yes, the gay one, the Muslim one, the Atheist one), and Love yourself, and leave the Judging up to Me. Seriously.

    And Yes, Love Yourself. I can’t believe how many missed that important part of my speech. Cause without that, you’ll find it difficult to Love your neighbor, or Me even. Besides, I think your pretty damn special, and Love you all TONS!! Even you closet Homosexuals, you know who you are.

  215. Malcolm Aug 30th 2012

    As a menber of the Body of Christ, believers should not target homosexuals and use homosexuality as the main problem which the Word of God prohibits.
    Brethren have the opportunity to share the Gospel message with them. Let the love of Christ shine through who do. So the seeds of rightousness by witnessing to them. For if the Lord Jesus, by the Holy Spirit, can change my life, He can change theirs. So simple!
    Having said that, I repented and accepted the Lord Jesus years ago otherwise I would have used by anger by political persuation to kill Jews and Christians because for various reasons. Yes, I wanted to do these things because I believed then that power came out through the barrel of the gun.
    What I am being confronted with is the lack of “ooph” from those claiming this and that for Jesus when they have not. I hated religion then and detest religion now but I have been taught by His word to love and that includes my enemies whereby who operate using the western church for their own ploys by deception. I can only warn and expose.
    Being honest, the homosexual lobby are influencing governments and what is called now christianity which has not much influence to make change for the good.
    The gay activists are everywhere and have money behind them to promote their homosexual lifestyles. They have celebrities in the music and the film industry in getting on board people young and old for their cause. Like with the WoF Movement, they are extending their territories and expires. They have influence in high places.
    Still don’t believe this then kindly look at these two web sites where money, power, and influence can pay for your cause.
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/
    and
    http://www.lgf.org.uk/
    plus
    http://faculty.washington.edu/alvin/gayorg.htm

    If you read the material, they have no time to christians who say that homosexuality is an abomination to God.
    While christians may say this, these groups say in defense of their lifestyles, that it is rubbish to say so, poke fun at christianity, and evangelicals are their enemies.
    So sad but true what goes on behind the scenes whereby christian leaders have failed to tell their congregations thinking that they are immune to persecution and is no concern of theirs.
    Ignorance is bliss so the judgement of God falls.

  216. L Ward Aug 30th 2012

    I believe that when Christ died and was raised, all were given the opportunity to be saved. But only those who choose to believe will be saved. However, I also believe that all wrath was poured out on Jesus, and the Father in Heaven will not judge until the final time. So the rain storm that is over New Orleans is not the judgement of God but the Grace of God. God allow the path of the storm to go through New Orleans because does not want those who are sinner to heap heavier burdens upon themselves. This is also an opportunity to point out Gods grace that on 7th anniversary Katrina and this Gay convention that God through his satisfied wrath by Jesus and great love of the homosexuals will not allow their blatant and overt sin run rampant but to be temper. When the Super Bowl was in Dallas, it was said that thousands of prostitutes would come to Dallas to make money. The churches prayed that the Lord would stop this. Through the Grace of God, the unusual ice storm hit Dallas delaying or cancelling flights and making it almost impossible for driving in the city. I believe the Grace of God allowed this and the same is true for Hurricane Issac. His Grace not Judgement is being displayed here.

  217. ValleyAnt Aug 30th 2012

    In spite of varying views and beliefs here, there’s still agreement (few who are disagreeable) which is good.

    Watchful, I agree.

    TheDude said, “Let’s focus on our areas of agreement. I believe we share the same doctrine and I don’t want to dishonor our Lord by swallowing camels while we’re straining out gnats.” I agree.

    Rick Stanwood said, “Prophets are to warn, but also to heal.” This is something that’s puzzled me, when warnings come without redemption. Aren’t prophets to be great also.

    AJH you said regarding binding and loosing: “We can only proclaim that release once we have bound the strongman… First in the spirit, then in the natural realm.” Regarding Jezebel, the Lord has often spoken to me about the need to bind her before rescuing her captives. It’s true that strongmen must be bound before the Gospel can have effect in their areas of jurisdiction. While all leaders are called to bind rebellion in all its forms, the greater responsibility lies more on some than others. Jezebel is a topic few want to touch (and a topic few continue in unscathed). Through centuries of being ‘allowed’, she’s risen to take her coveted throne in many places and churches as ‘Queen of Heaven’. Now a thorn in the side of everything that’s good and moral, she’s become a giant that not even the strong will contend against. If the issue of Jezebel wasn’t monumental, neither would be issues of sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, morality, etc., in our times… nor would I have heard do many sorrowful stories from those called to leadership in the churches of how she’s tried to physically kill them and has resisted and persecuted them with every weapon of Death (condemnation) at her disposal. I’m angry about this. But since most are afraid to take a stand against this slithering serpent called Jezebel, we must now wait for those who won’t be intimidated– the Jehus and Davids who’ll finally go to our King and say, “Let no man be afraid on account of this [witch]; Your servant will go and [kill] her.” In the meantime, we can all seek areas where we agree, as TheDude said, and all who lead should be held up in all things.

  218. Charles Aug 30th 2012

    You may want to be a little more defined when you say nation with regard to this sin?
    …because most of America does not engage in this sin nor condone it!

    Certainly, it is time and passed the time that the majority condemn the actions of this much smaller percentage of rebellious and debauched Americans.
    However, the sin of most of America here (towards homosexuality) is not their engagement of, but their
    complacent and apathetic regard for this evil before God…..in so many other words—‘political correctness’ (which is not ‘holy boldness’) which is, too, a sin that will incur certain judgment.

    I am in sound agreement that this ‘storm’ is a direct word from God just as the earthquakes at Christchurch (also happening twice).

    May the judgment of God on this nation be heeded by act and voice this time.

    However, I am convinced that more is coming!…before there is true awakening, contrition and action.

  219. debylynne Aug 30th 2012

    kathleen said:

    “This needs to be repeated:

    They are not just “practicing” Homosexuality.

    They are “preaching” it and ‘converting’ the youth to embrace it as “good”.

    yes, and amen, kathleen – ‘shaking their fists in the face of Almighty God’ and SEEKING to lead others astray……therein lies a KEY difference in what is happening in this ‘area of sin’ and the more common ‘garden variety’…….

    i HOPE several of the posts on this thread are NOT from ‘Christians’ because if they are?????? the body of Christ is sicker than i thought…..sigh…..who are you ‘ugly speaking condemning people’?? i’m NOT speaking of the ones who’s hearts are clearly to STAND on the Word of God – i’m talking about the ones with their OWN opinions slung out there like so much garbage and their foul words towards others…….you need to repent.

    when we STAND WITH THE LORD in what HE has already ‘judged’ – we are NOT the judges – we are HIS subjects – only HE is holy and righteous enough to JUDGE rightly and HE HAS JUDGED this and it IS an ABOMINATION. whether He sends ‘diasters’ or WHATEVER He chooses to do – this is an ABOMINATION to the LORD and if you care ANYTHING about those tangled up in this sin – for the LOVE OF GOD – SPEAK UP and WARN THEM…….

  220. Ejimanze Aug 30th 2012

    The Truth of God (Jesus Christ) is manifold. It is like a many sided precious stone, a master diamond reflecting many splendor-ed light. Like the elders in my village say, ‘you do not watch a masquerade from one location.’
    Brother Andrew, thumbs up for providing this interactive forum in which we can look at spiritual topics from various perspectives. For instance, I heard a mother here whose son is ‘gay’ crying to God to deliver her son. A mother’s love! I am enriched and blessed as I go through the various posts and see the various ramifications of an issue. This in my view is how Church should be, and used to be in the days of the Apostles – not one know-it-all pastor pontificating on a pulpit to a captive public.
    Be encouraged and keep them coming!

    God bless your heart!

    Ejimanze

  221. Val sm Aug 30th 2012

    I couldn’t read through all the comments, but I’m with you Andrew. I have long felt that homosexuality would be a watershed issue in our time…a real issue that would test the church in a number of ways. Southern Decadence in NOLA is not just homosexuality. It is outrageous, blatant flaunting of sin, and a mocking almost thumbing of the nose at God. Public sex acts, debauchery etc. are common, and people come from all over the world to participate….America, ever the trend setter! If people had a festival like this celebrating adultery, flaunting it, or pedophilia….wouldn’t most people think it was wrong, evil and over the top? I think it is one thing to be homosexual, it is another thing to do what people are doing with it in our time. It almost begs for God’s correction….

  222. Jean Clink Aug 30th 2012

    How many people who were killed in Hurricane Katrina were known to be wicked?

  223. May I state an obvious? This morning I was reading this news article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2195727/Hurricane-Isaac-2012-Storm-weakens-continues-wreak-havoc-New-Orleans.html

    The caption of the first picture reads: “Ghost town: New Orleans’ usually crowded and vibrant Bourbon Street is deserted”.

    Being from Canada, (and apparently rather sheltered as well) I had never heard of this “Southern Decadence 2012″ event (or even subsequent year’s events). Curiosity lead me to check out their website.

    Whether or not you believe that this was an act of God, His judgment, or just a weather ‘coincidence’, if you are a believer, can you at least give a hearty “THANK YOU JESUS!” that this event has been thwarted??

    After reading what they had scheduled for this week, I, for one, was completely disgusted.

    Those of you who have strong feelings about this, have you actually gone to their site and read what they had planned for events?

    I am very glad that this was stopped (for now) no matter how it came about!

  224. Elizabeth Aug 30th 2012

    I would like to clarify a few things being said. Just bc there is one street in NOLA, famous for its sinful nature doesn’t mean the entire city and it’s people are sinners. Did you know that most of the people who inhibit the Bourbon Street area are not even from here. Am I saying NOLA is perfect? Of course not, but what city is? San Francisco? Las Vegas? To say Isaac was God’s wrath on NOLA is prophesizing your own thoughts and using scriptures to make it work. Isaac did not damage NOLA. A separate city, very south of NOLA ended up with a levee over flow and flooded. This is not a homosexual community. Our city, which is also South of NOLA took a beating for almost 48 hours, we are not a homosexual city! Sin is sin. God hates ALL sin!!! It is everywhere and as a christian I am disappointed by a lot of what I read on here. Did Jesus not come back to save the sinners? Shouldn’t we be more about winning souls for Christ than casting judgement? If you’re so concerned about the sins of NOLA, maybe you should join those who visit there to spread the love of God and who are trying to win souls for Christ. Afterall, we are the light in a dark world. If someone is in darkness, a light can help them find their way out. I mean no disrespect to anyone with my statement. I’m just disappointed and confused by some of what I have read!!

  225. Elizabeth, I have been praying for Christians in your city since I heard about this. My heart was literally broken for you! I was in tears yesterday morning for you. I cannot imagine how awful it must be.

    I live in a very sinful city, myself. I do honestly expect that God will have a level and there will be judgment at some point. However, I claim the promise that God will not pour out His wrath on his very own people.

    I apologize if any of MY statements made it sound like I think God is just sending His lightening bolts to YOUR city, (apart from any other) as though there are no believers there, to consider.

    Thank you for standing strong for Jesus in your city!

    May God lead and continue to protect you!

  226. @Elizabeth- the word is PROPHESYING not prophesizing and Andrew is speaking the truth. He has said continually that this is a SIGN. He NEVER said that this was particularly judgment on just that city alone. Don’t you people read?

  227. Stephen St. Louis Aug 31st 2012

    Jesus,

    First I object to your casual use of my Savior’s name as your internet handle unless, of course, that happens to be your real name. It is a name that should be revered and honored as holy and not used in such a manner.

    Secondly, if you feel like you need to observe the Mosaic Law in order to be saved then I would be very careful not to choke on that camel. I’ve examined carefully the theology around whether Christians should keep the Mosaic Law. My conclusion is that it is a widely debated topic with many varying views and much of it depends on how you render the interpretation of what Jesus and Paul said. For myself, I am continuing to study scripture on it and will do what I feel the Holy Spirit tells me to do about it. As a minimum I feel one needs to at least adhere to that which is clearly in both Old and New Testaments (one of those things being that homosexuality is a sin). Anything beyond that, for me, will happen as the Spirit directs.

    Thirdly, I’m not talking about violation of the rules. I’m talking about a heart condition that utterly rejects God’s word, walks in blatant unrepentant sin and believes that whatever feels good, must be ok. If a person is saved, they don’t walk habitually in sin. You can argue whether they walk in sin at all (which is what Finney and Wesley both preached, correct me if I am wrong Andrew) but you can’t call someone who flat out rejects God’s word a christian. Therefore I conclude that she is not and I would conclude the same about a thief that calls themselves christian, someone that murders in the name of Christ, the prostitute that goes to confession and then back to her johns and the politician that goes to church on Sunday and then bows before a Shinto Shrine on Monday.

    Now you sir, need to remember that when Christ comes back He will come back to judge this world and its inhabitants and His love for humanity will not stop Him from sending every unrepentant sinner to Hell. His Love for humanity caused Him to come to Earth to show us the way. His Love for humanity caused Him to suffer and die on a cross for my sin and your sin. His Love for me and everyone else made it possible to have a right relationship with the Father and His work is finished and complete and God raised Him from the dead.

    But His Love won’t cause Him to ignore sin. He will judge and His judgment will be righteous. God does love sinners but He abhors their sin and if they won’t accept the provisions He made for the removal and forgiveness of their sin then their blood is on their own hands. Do you think God will just let everyone into heaven because He loves them? Telling someone what the Bible says, isn’t judging them. Holding up what the Bible says about life and living and what it means to be saved against their life isn’t judging. Saying to someone, “This is what the bible says it means to be saved, and if you are not this, you are not saved, so don’t you dare call yourself a christian if you are not this,” isn’t judging it’s simply telling the truth. I do so because I love them and I don’t want them to suffer for the rest of eternity. Why do you do it? Oh wait, you’d rather just love them. Keeping silent about sin isn’t loving them. It’s condemning them to Hell. Now go change your handle before the real Jesus takes offense.

  228. Elizabeth Aug 31st 2012

    @Rob, thanks for the clarification in my spelling typo!! Do “you people read”? Really? Is that called for? I stated my thoughts on some of what I read. There’s no reason for ignorant retaliation. If you have anything of substance to add as to why my feelings of disappointment and confusion in attitudes such as yours exist in setting a christ-like example of love, then that will be an acceptable response I would read and take into serious consideration.

  229. Nicole Aug 31st 2012

    Elizabeth,
    Many prayers to you and to any family, friends and relatives, neighbors that are suffering during this time frame.

    I live in Texas, so I know the devestation that is going on and you are correct. Bourbon STREET is in tact and not eradicated from the city nor are the shops, bars, strip joints or coffee shops.

    This hurricane caused people to hurt, and many did not follow the requests for leaving their homes or parrishes (counties) areas. But even in that, I hope and many prayers go out to you for healing .

    I helped during Katrina, here in our city as the evacueees were bussed here , so I know the pain and suffering many went through.

    I agree w/ much you have written and I will write more as time goes on.

    We have other “issues” now, from this hurricane. Gas will rise, which it already is showing at the pumps. Mosquitoes will be tremendously bad if there is not a good solid extremely cold winter, and West Nyle Virus is already seen here, even in our city, as the water creeks have been tested at the military bases and are possitive .
    Many other things are transpiring. ANd we do not know the full situation.

    But I will write more on this later.

    Much prayer for you ,
    Nicole

  230. Elizabeth Aug 31st 2012

    @DL, thank you for your kind words of love and compassion. Thank you for your prayers. I believe there is sooo much power in prayer. Just knowing there’s people out there like you praying for us provides great encouragement and hope. There are many christians in this area and we do not agree with or like the amount of sin surrounding us. I agree with you that there will be judgement by God and rightfully so. During Katrina, I watched the person I loved most in this world die. She was a great prayer warrior. A preacher, who introduced The Lord to many sinners and helped them turn away from sin and give their life to Christ. Her entire life revolved around the Lord and living only for him. We lost a great Soldier for the Lord that day. I strive to be more like her. To have a heart of compassion and love for people even my enemies. She did not condone sin and would be the first to tell you, with love, what the Bible says. She would also offer to pray with people and would continue to pray fervent prayers for them and their families. People talk about all the people that died in Katrina and I hv heard these people deserved it. I just want the world to know many good God fearing people died that day and there’s also people like me who had to watch it. Thank you DL and stay strong in your city too!!! Evil will never win over God’s goodness!!!

  231. Elizabeth Aug 31st 2012

    Thank You Nicole. I agree with you and can’t wait to read more when you decide to write.

  232. John (the Baptist) Aug 31st 2012

    Due to being stuck with religious activity in my local church, I was encouraged by Rev Arthur Blessit to get off my backside and for christians to get out of their pews at church, to go and tell people about the Lord Jesus and how they can be saved through repentance and His amazing Grace. Yes, that word again called REPENTANCE.
    This message was given again by Rev Frank Roosa, half Blackfoot red indian of Link of Jesus who had worked with Arthur Blessitt before coming to the UK.
    Frank came to Romford to address the churches and challenged to GO YE. Praise the Lord many responded. So did I.
    We were armed with Gospel tracks, Jesus stickers, gave testimonies, sang gospel songs, and prayed for those needing prayer.
    We went into pubs, coffee bars, public places, nearby seaside resorts where the mods and rockers hanged out and fought each other, met prostitutes who were touting for business, and into local churches
    This was done prayerfully and was Holy Ghost led for the harvest which was to be gathered in.Praise the Lord for the harvest!
    It is so sad that today that the church has decommissioned itself. Men and woman, and the youth attending church, all called christians, are not being encouraged to do anything like this because it is considered old fashioned and obsolete. I am sorry to have to say church leadership expect people to go to church and be entertained on what is on offer whether this to be signs and wonders, hearing erronous teachings and false prophecies, and entertainment called christian rock music.
    My,my, things have changed.
    So what does the modern western christian church of the 21st century expect? One is to become prosperous. Two is playing about with spiritual pheneomenon which is said to be of the Holy Spirit. Number three is having your own vision (nothing to do with God) of creating types of churches and making them part of mega church empires. Four is dealing what is sinful yet themselves are in sin. And of course dealing with topical topics such as homosexuality but failing or ministering to those who are being told that they are “gay” and to be proud of it.
    What a dreadful state the western church is in? And it is going from bad to worse due to not admitting that it needs to repent and return to basics, and not playing host of “catching the fire” or promoting a world wide revival which does not exist.
    What had been kept secret is that the christain church of this century is in self denial of REPENTANCE, that word which has become offensive to many, and wants to concentrate on other things other than “what you have to do to be saved.” Such secret matters are coming to the forefront and of importance now that the people of planet earth have come to realise what is going on and surfacing, is that man no longer can govern without corruption, deceit, profiteering at the expense of others, using their authority for their own means, lying to hide their collaborations, and using illegal methods to keep their status quo. Hmmm… just what goes on in the church system! And most people are saying which has been recorded in the media “we are living in the End Times.”
    With the homosexual and lesbian organisations getting a stranglehold on society and influencing governments and those in authority to get them to OK that homosexuality is normal and not offensive to God who believe in Him, it is no wonder the church remains silent on such issues, too afraid to say so.
    Well, God Almighty will not be mocked, hence His judgement upon nations. He is allowing these things to happen before our very eyes as His warning is not only to nations, but to everyone in the church where these shenanigans taking place.
    No doubt about it, whether we accept this or not, He is God our Creator and He has given His instructions in the Bible whether we disagree or obey.
    But we still continue to argure with Him because we know best! And we argue amongst ourselves playing tennis with scripture.
    This is what I will say, and say this in love.
    Please stop playing the monopoly game of RELIGION. Kindly read the Bible for yourselves and act upon the COMMISSION which has been given to you.
    And if you are around, going through the Great Tribulation, kindly reflect what will happen to you when you say that you have power over Satan. The world leader (the Anti Christ) and his henchman called the False Prophet will laugh at you when you are called to account for yourself. You will either refuse the Mark of the Beast or receive it. You will be given the choice of retracting your rebuke over Satan or having your head removed.
    Come on brethren! Do we go back to basics or face the consequences of what is going on in the modern church where judgement has begun. To say that there is no judgement, is a fallacy and a lie.To deny judgement which is declared in scripture, will lead to further error.
    To say also signs of His judgement is not upon nations who are are in rebellion against our Creator, is misleading and is a lie.
    With these comments I am likely to be disfellowshipped and sent to Coventry for what I have shared.
    This practice is done by the Watchtower Society and the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints. Plymouth Brethren do this as well.
    Will this be done by the leadership of my established church?
    Rest assured, I will not be excommunicated from the Body of Christ. For this lies with the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Blessings in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Bridegroom, who is coming soon for His Bride.
    May I acclaim LOUDLY which christians once used to greet each other when witnessing for Jesus…MARANATHA!

  233. John (the Baptist) Aug 31st 2012

    PS…noticed a typing error – Brother Frank is of Link Up for Jesus.

  234. Val sm Aug 31st 2012

    Wonderful people died in the world trade centers on 9/11, but I still believe it was allowed as a general wake up call/ judgement to America….it is not the individuals, but the overall direction/sin that will bring God’s judgement. Many who died at that time actually appeared to be exceptional people, people who literally sacrificed themselves, and who will be now basking in their eternal reward….no one is rejoicing in any of the calamity…but regardless of what has transpired over the last decade or so, people still have not turned back to God….what will it take?

  235. EbonyWatchman Aug 31st 2012

    Yes–the Lord gave me a message out of Jeremiah as well—Jeremiah 25:31-33
    verse 32 says: Thus saith the Lord of hosts, BEHOLD, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. 33 says: And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

    It’s time to REPENT from the evils of the earth and call out to the LORD THY GOD—the ONLY ONE GOD WHO MADE US ALL.
    Turn away from false gods, and demons, and evil spirits…..Yahweh is the only HOLY HIGH< INVISIBLE GOD!
    Job: 19:25 FOR I KNOW that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. AMEN & AMEN!

  236. You are more than welcome Elizabeth! It really blesses us to know that God allowed us to be part of praying for other believers far away, that will most likely not ever meet, until heaven. God loves you so much, Elizabeth!

    Something really ironic happened today that actually shocked me. I’m not sure if sharing it here will be a blessing in any way, but it’s too ironic in light of this discussion, not to share it.

    Years ago I worked for a particular church denomination functioning in the financial department. At the time I knew it was a denomination that was moving farther and farther away from God’s truths, but I felt at the time that it was a mission field God was calling me to. Part of the requirement believe it or not, was that I wasn’t required to actually ATTEND the church. That worked well for me because I’d never have been able to attend and go along with their doctrines. (please not, at the time they were not teaching heresies)

    There were a few people in that church that also worked in various ministries of the church that I knew for sure, were real believers, but there were also, sadly, a lot of just nominal Christians.

    Fast forward a few years and they now have a openly gay Minister. The slide from luke-warm, to openly gay, didn’t take as long as one might think.

    I haven’t kept contact with the church and now that they have a gay minister I want nothing to do with it, but I do still have contact with a few people that I still attend. (tho I have no real influence with them, anymore)

    Today I received an invite for their upcoming “Gay Pride March”. Not only are they supporting this, but the CHURCH is the host!

    It made me ill to see that in my email. Initially, I thought I would just ‘gracefully’ decline without a word, but I believe the Holy Spirit convicted me that not saying anything at all, was like supporting it.

    I ended up writing them back and telling them exactly what I said above. That “I could have just not responded’, “but I needed to speak up”. I did so in the most loving words that I could find. I told them; “seeing that made me sad” and that “I didn’t understand at all”……..and I ended saying I would pray for them.

    I wasn’t sure of the backlash…..but it didn’t matter much. I am more concerned with what God thinks, than what “they” think, even though I truly don’t want them hurt.

    I got an email back within a few minutes apologizing for inviting me and saying; “We had no idea you felt like that?” In fairness, it has been a few years now….but Dear Lord, never let my silence be an assumption that I agree! That comment alone made me ill. It challenged me! I mean, they HAD to know I didn’t agree with it??!

    That’s just it folks, not speaking up can be as bad as actually agreeing. Don’t assume that just being silent and ‘loving them’ is communicating the message you want. If the salt loses it’s saltiness??

    I am truly hoping that some of the people that still work at this church (and I think are backsliding) will wake up. Perhaps, that comment from me (and lots of prayer) might challenge something in them, as well.

    They are tossing around phrases like: “please come out and support the ministers” “we are so proud of them!” It’s a huge point of contact for them. They are all rallying around this gay minister and showing their “love” and support.

    Could I ask any intercessors to please pray for this situation? As far as I know, there are at least 2 born again people still in ministry there. Not sure where they stand. I see the faces of the children in there and it makes me sick. This minister has also hired an openly gay children’s worker, now.

    Sin does progress.

  237. David Watkins Barlow Aug 31st 2012

    My thanks to Karen – 29th August – one cannot be too careful and this proves how much we “need each other!” Whatever the truth or otherwise of what Cahn wrote, it nevertheless shook me up. I guess there’s so much we will never fully understand until we are on the ‘other side,’ but anything that goes toward shaking people out of their apathy must have some benefit. As I said in my first posting, I usually don’t get carrried away with any book except “The Book.” Bless you all.

  238. “Now go change your handle before the real Jesus takes offense.”
    …you hear that ‘Jesus’… go change your handle because you aren’t good enough to bare that name!!! why you’re probably a homosexual yourself!!!! or worse yet you’re one of those transgender types who thinks they are a woman caught in a man’s body. well i’ll tell you what you are ‘Jesus’ you are an abomination……. you better watch out for tornadoes cause when the real Jesus gets pissed off he is gonna kick your sorry @$$!!!

  239. ValleyAnt Aug 31st 2012

    As I read these comments I’m glad that Andrew posted this article. Not only is there a sense of unity of agreement, but I’m also learning some things I didn’t know before. I do believe that Christians should speak out on issues like this (the Word, however, warns us to be careful when it comes to confronting sin as we can fall into sin of our own in the process); I’d never seen things like homosexuality and abortion as issues to be spoken against (since the conscience bears witness against the guilty) but rather that each Christian, regarding any sin or issue, should be true (patient, self-controlled), walking in the Spirit (avoiding falling into some sin one’s self) and waiting on God to know when or to whom to speak to regarding these types of issues. I can now see that some will speak more than others and that everything is good if led by the Spirit.

  240. Stephen St. Louis Aug 31st 2012

    Glad you think your irreverence is so amusing.

    Paul never pretended to be Christ when writing his letters. He knew his faults. He knew he fell short of the mark. Neither did any of the other disciples. For them it was a great honor to even be a slave of Christ yet here you are writing as if you were Christ.

    In response to Scott’s sarcasm. you aren’t good enough to bear the name of Christ. None of us are. I thank God that He chose to save me. I know I didn’t deserve it. Because He did, I have the right to be called a child of God but there is a huge difference between being called a child of God and being called Jesus (whatever rendition you want to use, English or Hebrew)

    God is Holy. God will not be mocked. You are doing both by using the method you are using. Only one man in all of history has ever had the right to call Himself God and you, sir, are not him.

    Now if you have something to back up what you are saying (since you’ve nicely skirted around 95% of what I said), by all means. If all you have is pious rhetoric then stop wasting space on this forum.

  241. Yashua, your message did not come from Jesus , is that what you think? Jesus knows that the bible is also called The Word of God.
    Repent and obey The Lord Jesus and he will deliver you from deception.

  242. This prediction of judgement is wrong, it didn’t happen. The so-called warning (Katrina) was far worse than the so-called judgement (Isaac). So we (America) had 7 years to repent? And now a Cat 1 hurricane is our judgement? Some people have no clue what God is doing.Is this an example of the “real” leadership you think we all need Andrew?

  243. Nicole Sep 1st 2012

    I want to also add, that this hurricane did sit and stagnate much , much longer than most all huricanes. But there might be other reasons for that. God is in Control and HE is the one w/ all the answers not us. There are other situations that HE could have done this for. I don’t know and He has not told me.

    Like I said, many factors play in all of this and for me, I will wait and see what happens and what takes place in the near future.

    Sometimes I think we are all guilty of looking for “the end of the world” to happen. We all might be very surprised and have to live through it all much longer than we think.

    Once again, my prayers are to those that are suffering. And someone wrote on the other blog, that they are suffering too, if this is judgement. We all suffer. The difference is that WE know God, Lord Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit and though we may suffer in earthly matters and most likely ALLOT. We will have HIM in the Heavenlies.

    I know that when we had extreme weather hit us, we all suffered. Not as much as those that lost it all, but we still had “the after effects”. But we also Had /Have A Lord that we could run to and He would Comfort us. Sometimes we forget that, and we don’t understand, but He is there.

    Yes, when judgements come, we all suffer. But one suffers much more than others. In the End.!!!

    God bless you all,
    Nicole

  244. Nicole Sep 1st 2012

    Jeff, your last comment’s I agree w/. I am in Texas. MANY OF YOU are not close enough nor see what is going on in Louisianna.
    I am seeing a continued bombardment of good Christian folks, putting in “their two cents” of what God is , or is not doing, What this hurricane IS or isn’t about and all the Signs, and POSSIBLE PROPHETIC innuendos that many are truly FEELING. NOT HEARING FROM GOD.
    IS it possible that because it is “7 yrs. to the date of Katrina” That God was “judging” or coming down on New Orleans? Anything is possible , but one thing that you all , for the most part is forgetting OR DO NOT KNOW.
    In the US there is what is called “HURRICANE SEASON” It starts in the summer months and ends at the end of November.
    MOST ALL HURRICANES, NOT ALL OF THEM< but most of them, intensify around July/mostly in August to Sept. maybe beginning of Oct. while the waters of the Gulf etc.etc.etc. are extremely HOT.
    I think you all , for the most part, ARE SPECULATING, that GOD IS SHOWING HIS RATH upon New Orleans.
    For you all that have not been to this part of the country, we need to stick to Facts, not presumptions.
    Let's look at today, There is a huge earthquake that happened a 7.9 off of the Phillipine Islands. IS that too, GOD'S WRATH? I have no idea. HE didn't whisper in my ear to tell me. BUT IT HAPPENED.
    I think Jeff's last sentence of
    ""Some people are using preaching the gospel as an excuse to try to control and dominate secular society, that is wrong."""
    Is correct.
    I do not believe that there is a town or city, or area or country that is not experiencing a "sodemn and gohmorrah lifestyle. I believe homosexuality is the "new norm" and is it sinful? YES, Is it immoral , YES, ist it UNGODLY , YES, but every city and town has it.
    New Orleans, for the most part has been spared. The Bourbon Street where all the visitors and parades and sex and strip joints and gays and lesbians and Maudi Gras , is . HAS been spared. Maybe it threw off the weekend of the lesbian etc. parade and gathering , but I am sure that they will "plan it next year or elsewhere"
    Most of you , "just get snippets" of what is going on. Unless you live in the USA and unless you live really close to the situation, I think you all are using God to voice what you preceive HE IS DOING.
    We are all guilty. Most of us, have nothing but "opinions" based on our own thoughts, insights, and also what we have seen, heard or read, in churches, blogs, or media or from our past.
    Some of us, want REVIVAL so bad, that we want to "portray" something much more than what it is. Is this too, not a sin? We are constantly trying to dictate our thoughts onto others by using verses from the bible .
    YES, we are probably and most likely in the last days, but IT IS GOD that is in Control . We forget that Jesus didn't state HIS opinions. We are all guilty of that.
    Right now, I am watching the reprocusions of this Hurricane. There are already 5 deaths, probably more will come. But there are GOOD SOLID people out there suffering. Whether they are in "sin" or not, that is GOD's decision to bring them forth . There are people crying out to HIM and churches that have already set up and are praying w/ folks. I don't know if they are for or against gays, or if they are sleeping w/ the neighbor. But what I do know, is this, GOD KNOWS and GOD is IN CONTROL.

    It is our part to be there for those in harms way, in need, and to help.

    I have in the past, massaged many , many gays. In my early years, I bought one of my buisnesses from a "CHRISTIAN GAY". She was active and she was very into it. I DID NOT come at her, shake my finger at her, or condemn her or tell her God is going to knock you down or strike you w/ lighting because you are gay.
    During that time, I massaged many folks that were gay. Lesbian, crossdressers. Until I had a chance to turn the buisness around and get it more into what I wanted it to be. It became a ministry and I massaged people from Sports Superstars to Judges, to strippers and everything in between. God gave me a gift, I used it, and I helped by allowing the Holy SPirit to reign in what HE wanted me to tell them.

    I didn't do it all "correct" I am sure. But I learned that love and the fact that MOST ALL of them that I massaged , had a story. Normally a heartbreaking story. One of incest to rape, to bad marriage, to a parent that was controlling and demanding to those that had masculine or feminine body movements.

    I have been churches that condemned these people even when they reached out to want to be taken out of that lifestyle.

    I would recommend highly that if you are going to deal w/ these type of people, there better not be one ounce of judgement in you and you better allow the Holy Spirit to lead you.
    There is always a situation of feelings and life of a long history w/ these people and unless you have the time, the patience , the compassion of our Lord Jesus Christ, and HIS move to have you say something, then you need to follow through. BUT don't go and think you are going to change them w/ a one time visit or a one time love and unity speech.
    I worked w/ most of them for at least a year. They kept coming back and I knew it was the Lord. But what I realized is they have "another" that they either are involved w/ or live w/ or just dumped.
    Most of them are proud. You will not get through to them. Most of them don't want to change, you will not change them. ONLY THOSE THAT THE LORD truly has for HIM, will come around. No we don't know who they are, but you find out quickly enough.
    My findings were that one would have heart or a desire to trust NOT I but the LORD , I was able, through the power of the Holy Spirit , to talk to them , one on one, while giving a massage . Sorry to say, that their "significant other" was not yet there and it would be seeds that dropped on the rocky soil and never would be watered. Most stopped coming to me, when their "other " would see a change in them. But I did my part, as I listened to them. I found out about their story" I prayed w/ them, I prayed for them and then I left it to the Lord.
    We are coming into a time in our life now, that we are being bombarded w/ these types of people. We will truly have to listen to the Holy Spirit , and to be guided by HIM , to be able to confront the situation.
    As far as Hurricane Issac, I ask that each and every one of you, look into your own hearts, and if you are condemning any one or judging anything or anyone and IT IS NOT TRULY GOD speaking to you, I would ask you to repent.
    The worst of this is not over. Is it of God. ? Well He ALLOWED it. But so many factors are playing in this.
    USA has a very hard election going on. Gas prices are rising to almost 4.00 a gallon plus in some states. We have had the worst drought ever, and now we will be fighting mosquitos, bugs and whatever else if there is not a hard , hard freeze. West Nyle VIrus is coming on strong and we have folks dying from it. People in Louisanna, have their homes completely covered in water that is stagnating and many have lost everything. Electricity is out for almost 750,000 people and won't come on anytime soon.
    Will sin still continue and folks still practice voodoo and black majic? YEP, they will . But mixed w/ them, there are folks that truly love the Lord Jesus Christ and HE and ONLY HE through what ever means HE decides, will HELP THEM and PROTECT THEM.
    I think it is time we reflect on HIS GOODNESS and all HE CAN DO for HE does love many of them.
    PLEASE, stop and just pray for the folks and stop trying to figure out what God's next move is going to be or if 'THIS IS THE BIG ONE"
    It will all happen IN HIS TIMING and HE will give direction to those that HE CHOOSES to TELL.
    I know I have been guilty of some of the same nonesense that I am reading here on many blogs, but I believe God has moved me away and is teaching me something else at this point and time. But that is ME. He will do the same to those that cry out to HIM and ask HIM. Sometimes we are so full of our own "hooey" that we just don't listen.
    Much is going on in the states. I hear it all over, but then look at what is going around the country and the world. It is everywhere. But none of us TRULY KNOW that it is bringing forth what our hearts are desiring. It might happen in time, but God is so patient and for those that want to claim that GOD is about to run out of patience, I would think twice about that. !!! We are not God nor will we ever be. Let God be God and Allow us to be HIS SERVANTS.
    For those living in or around the hurricane, now storms, I pray for you all and I pray that your safety and your family, friends, buisnesses etc.etc. will be o.k. I pray that those that can, pray w/ someone in need and help them in what ever capacity the Lord gives you . I pray that God , Lord Jesus Christ and Holy SPirit will comfort you, and teach you and show you HIM. I pray that you all come out stronger and understand HIM better. In Jesus' Name, Amen.
    I want to also add, that this hurricane did sit and stagnate much , much longer than most all huricanes. But there might be other reasons for that. God is in Control and HE is the one w/ all the answers not us. There are other situations that HE could have done this for. I don’t know and He has not told me.
    Like I said, many factors play in all of this and for me, I will wait and see what happens and what takes place in the near future.
    Sometimes I think we are all guilty of looking for “the end of the world” to happen. We all might be very surprised and have to live through it all much longer than we think.
    God bless you all,
    Nicole

  245. God’s not finished with judgements and warnings. Stay tuned. It never surprises me when we can’t figure God’s plans out. I don’t think we ever will. We see through a glass dimly and we can only give an interpretation of what we believe God gives us. Don’t shoot the messenger, brother.

    I hadn’t ever listened to Andrew’s sermons until the last few days. He is spot on.

    Over 10 years ago, I kept hearing God say; “repentance”. Everywhere I turned I would hear God speak it. Unfortunately I rarely heard it preached.

    If we hear nothing at all. May we humbly accept that judgement starts at the house of God first. God is calling His people to repent. God is calling the world to repent and God IS speaking..loud and clear..but are we listening?

  246. Nicole,
    I hadn’t read your posts before mine posted. I read them and I realized that my response might sound like it was directed at you.

    I think it’s wonderful that God gave you a gift and you were willing to share it with people. You are an example of what Christ did. He was criticized for eating with tax collectors and prostitutes.

    Keep strong sis!

  247. JeffM Sep 1st 2012

    If The Lord God stops you or anyone from sinning ,is that judgement? No ,it is His Mercy and Grace.So if hurricane Isaac ruined the gay convention event in New Orleans , that is God’s grace towards those who were stopped from doing what they planned. This blame the gays for destroying Empire America and civilization is not something Jesus is teaching you people. Don’t blame God for all the destuction from Isaac, because you say ,He has to send judgement.It was Grace towards the gays.The rest of the state got hit pretty bad.

  248. Andrew Sep 1st 2012

    ANDREW STROM REPLIES-

    If you go and actually READ the word at the top of this page which we published, you will see that it makes NO STATEMENT AT ALL that this hurricane would destroy New Orleans or even that it would be as big as Katrina. When I published it, I knew this already. By then it was clear that this was simply a Category 1 Hurricane that was about to make landfall near New Orleans.

    The big points that ARE made by the above article are as follows-

    -This hurricane hit New Orleans exactly 7 YEARS after Katrina – to the DAY.
    -This is the same day that “Southern Decadence” was set to begin – one of the most outrageous Homosexual events in the world.
    -The same Homosexual event was hit by Katrina, exactly 7 YEARS AGO.

    These are the ONLY major points raised in the above article. It is not a “prophecy” as such. It is simply a WARNING pointing to the amazing parallels and their MEANING.

    Does God send judgments upon the earth today? The book of Revelation makes it clear that HE DOES. In fact, He does so more in the Last Days than EVER BEFORE. But I see this as a “sign” and a warning – more than anything else.

    God bless you all.

    Andrew Strom.