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-by Andrew Strom.

People need to be warned about this. Seriously. The Elijah List is the biggest “Prophetic” email list on the planet. It goes out to tens of thousands of Charismatic Christians around the globe. We have had cause to warn people about the Elijah List several times in the past, but a week ago they published one of their most “New Age” articles that I have yet seen.

The article was called ‘A “Quantum” Change’ by Kari Browning. Here are some major extracts:

‘A “Quantum” Change’ by Kari Browning…

“There is great understanding coming to the Church about the
quantum realm, and I believe it will help facilitate the change that
has been prophesied. Albert Einstein said everything is energy.
Remember his formula E=mc squared? He believed that energy
and matter were interchangeable. Everything is vibrating energy,
including our bodies. Every word and every thought carries a
certain vibrational frequency…

It can be scientifically documented that everything has either
positive or negative frequencies. Foods even have frequencies.
Fresh food has a higher frequency than processed foods. On the
other hand, coffee has a negative frequency. Prayer actually
raises a person’s frequency by 15 MHz. If our frequency gets low,
we get sick…

God provided a way to raise our frequencies by using essential
oils. These oils were used Biblically for medicinal purposes. The
oils were not used symbolically as we have come to believe, but
these oils had healing properties. For example, hyssop is a releaser
of swallowed emotions and a spiritual cleanser. Prayer and essential
oils together are a powerful combination, as both raise our frequencies.”

ANDREW STROM AGAIN: Someone needs to let the Elijah List
know that they are (yet again) promoting pure “New Age” junk to
the Body of Christ. As if “Ekstasis” dancing, portals, gold dust,
‘angel feathers’, fire tunnels and spiritual drunkenness were not
enough. Now we have “vibrations”, special ‘frequencies’ and healing
oils being promoted in the church.

Does it really require that much “discernment” to see that these
people have simply taken obvious ‘New Age’ techniques (not found
in the Bible) and are repackaging them for gullible Christians?
Where will it all end? How “New Age” do things have to get?

At the close of the article, the Elijah List adds:
“Kari Browning, ‘New Renaissance’.
Kari Browning and her husband, Mike, have been involved in church
planting for over 25 years. They are about to open a Healing and
Creativity Center. This center will focus on releasing creativity and
teaching on wellness. Kari has traveled nationally and internationally
as a conference speaker.”

It then goes on to promote Kari’s next speaking event, which is
entitled “Global Call School of the Prophets” with Bill Hamon as
the main speaker – along with other ‘prophets’. Thus we have the
Prophetic Movement to thank (yet again) for this latest New Age
deception to enter the church. Very sad. People need to be warned.

-Original article from the Elijah list-

Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on June 15th, 2012 at 7:40 pm.


351 Replies

  1. Have you read Kevin Kleint’s testimony of working at The Elijah List?

  2. Andrew Aug 15th 2012

    Yes – very sad but very worthwhile.

    Thanks Ramone!



  3. I once heard someone say something similar in a church. I was shocked. This idea that things have different “vibrational frequencies” is not found in the Bible, nor in science (in which I am qualified). I wouldn’t even call it New Age. It comes from the occult – it is witchcraft. Of course, in the twisted world of the Elijah List, details like this don’t matter, it’s all about bringing in the money.

  4. Andrew Aug 15th 2012

    The New Age really is infiltrating the church big-time – under all sorts of guises.

    Very sad.


  5. I have to admit I do get confussed sometimes when I see all this stuff going on!!!! I am at a church now that believe in gold dust, they have prophetic training twice a month. These are beautiful young adults with a zeal to serve Jesus. Their worship is loud, but awesome. I am 66 years old and have been waiting for something to happen in the Bride to wake her up! She has been asleep for many many years. God give us ears to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying. Amen

  6. Sandra Aug 15th 2012

    Coffee has a negative frequency?? now thats rubbish

  7. Andrew Aug 15th 2012


  8. Exalting Jesus: The Narrow Way; Exalting Self: The broad path.

  9. I deeply share your concern. However, I am also aware that frequencies are very much a part of God’s creation. The spoken word and light itself is made up of frequency waves. Our body operates at the molecular level on frequencies. When we worship and pray it is manifested in frequency waves. The Bible also speaks of certain herbs and plant life that is beneficial to our bodies. Paul told Timothy for the sake of his stomach to take a little wine. New Age is more than just natural herbs and remedies, it is the twisting and replacement of God in a persons life to the god-self on the throne. I look cautiously at all these things and believe the church is moving to apostasy but let’s not broadly brush everything as “new age” babble. There must be some truth for deception to ride on the back of, for that deception to work.

  10. Andrew Aug 15th 2012


  11. Terry Aima Aug 15th 2012

    Thanks Mr. McTaggart,
    Per usual Andrew goes off the deep end. As for deceiving the church, she can only be deceived if she neglects her walk with the Lord and His word.

  12. Andrew Aug 15th 2012

    I cannot agree, Rod and Terry.

    Not even the tiniest mention of anything like this by Jesus and the apostles.

    And yet very much what “New Agers” teach.

    I’ll give it a miss, thanks.


  13. debonnaire Aug 15th 2012

    I never could stand those sayings in the church that spoke of positive/negative , instead of speaking of good/evil & true/false as it should be.
    a cat is to be recognized as a cat, and God is in control and has given all that is needed for life and godliness , and is nowhere with these promoters of the new age with their bizarre vocabulary and extravagant ludicrous claims.
    If for them, God is an impersonnal force to be used for the benefit of them the gods , they should give up the title of Christian. They are not Christians by any stretch.

  14. Yes Andrew you are correct in your understanding of this article. It is not Christian but has as it’s basis a cult.

  15. Kathleen in WA State Aug 15th 2012

    How Deepok Chopra-esque!

    One only need take a peak at who’s affiliated with the Elijah List to know this (and other teachings) don’t pass the smell test :)

  16. This is so scary. It is amazing how quickly the New Age Movement/Occult teachings, etc. are infiltrating the Church.
    Terry, I thank God for people like Andrew who are willing to stand up against false teaching to ring the alarm. As someone who is trying to do the same, I am amazed at how many in the Church speak against such warnings.
    As Galatians 5:9 says, “A little leaven leavens the whole lump.” We must stand firm to the Word of God. If it’s not in God’s Word we can’t add it.
    Andrew, thank you for your boldness and your willingness to speak against deception! I, for one, am very grateful!

  17. Johan Laubser Aug 15th 2012

    Hi Andrew,
    I am very concerned of the blatent ignorance of our churchleaders these days. Warnings of suttle New Age influences are just dismissed as “searching for a devil behind every bush”. We have to be very awake and aware of this deception. My alarm bells go on as soon as Jesus is taught with an add on, or when His divinaty is downgraded to almost human level. The bigger church has been corrupted and is ignorant of any input from people who differ on their teachings. My plea is for every child of God is to search for the truth and ask for guidence by the Holy Spirit because only Him can reveal real truth. God bless,
    Johan Laubser, South Africa

  18. The quantum leap is immortality and somehow by taking the mark of the beast antichrist will be able to promise immortality to all who take it. New technology is on the horizon that will “seemingly” achieve this. All who take the mark will have their DNA permanently changed and disqualify themselves from any chance of salvation by having their DNA changed.

  19. Johan Laubser Aug 15th 2012

    Jesus plus or Jesus without is “another Jesus” Be aware!!!!

  20. I agree totally with Andrew Strom on this article. I’ve seen the new age creep into the church in many ways and me being a deliverance minister have had to do ministry on folks.

    Yes, oils are good but we have to see that divine healing only comes from God and when we use other things to bring healing and bypass the curse to why we are sick, then yes, a person just gave power to oils.

  21. gloria goold Aug 15th 2012

    Reminds me of the Saul and David time…Saul is dead but tries to keep on moving in his own strength, trying everything to stay alive but God has left him…David is the new KING moving in God …I believe we are about to see the difference in a big way. Saul is dead, David is alive…we will know who is really God , it will be as plain as the nose on our faces!!!!!

  22. Marc Wildman Aug 15th 2012

    I have to agree with Mr. McTaggart on this one, not all science is malevolent and in the past several decades, science has actually come along side the Word Of God. Einstein did believe in God and the frequencies spoken of do exist as the benefit of essential oils.

    I think where the problem lies would be mixing the two, and perhaps simply seeing this issue as procedurally proven and the joining it with Gods Word, I don’t see the real liability.

    To the pure of heart, all things are pure?

    However, I completely agree the Elijah List, most of the people on it, and what they teach is downright dangerous. Notwithstanding, you can’t always ‘throw the baby out with the bath water.’

    All in all, I wouldn’t be too focused on this one, but I would be concerned if the gospel being preached from these ‘so-called’ Nebiim continue, it will only serve to bring more judgement on this country and render the Church ineffectual at best.


  23. Bottom line God created light. It has matter and energy. God’s word continues to create in places we can’t see. The unseen realm, that which what we see currently comes from is pure, people who have encountered it in some way have told very similar stories and have met with energy type sensations. Oils were used and continue to be used as natural relief alternative to the chemical do any of you pop an Advil or Tylenol for headache? My wife and I both got off the chemical based pain relief after taking Omega 3 and Peppermint oil. It has been life changing. I’m using what God created at the source to find healing and relief. The Bible speaks of looking at nature to find proof of His existence. The scientific research or galactic research just strengthens my resolve to trust the God of creation over anything of humanity. I dont agree with a lot of the stuff that comes off the Elijah List but I lived through the renewal and Toronto and saw some amazing change in people’s lives. It’s fruit that matters not hype and craziness but you can’t lock God Almighty in a box and say He isn’t big enough to have masterminded us to connect with God in a certain way or find healing in a natural way because it’s part of His provision. God is not some frequency and if we vibrate correctly we see Him or the flow of energy. There are hundreds, thousands of concepts that aren’t revealed in the canonized scripture reference. But it doesn’t mean in Eternity it doesn’t exist in His glory and character. Does it glorify Christ? Do
    es it have fruit that draws you to align yourself completely with Father God? We always demand that believers follow the Word but we fail to allow believers to know God intimately and be led by the Spirit. Prophets married prostitutes, walked around naked, did a ton of unorthodox things but thru them they revealed the Glory of God. That’s the key. If God isn’t glorified or does not end up receiving the glory then it is certainly suspect but don’t blow off Gods ability to establish this wart at an organic level and hind it all together by His word.

  24. Ramone, thanks for the mention.

    I don’t doubt that frequencies exist and essential oils are good for you. They serve their purpose.

    But the pattern I’ve seen with the Elijah list and the Prophetic Movement is replacing the Word of God and obedience TO the Word of God with everything BUT the Word of God. There is heavy emphasis on the worship of signs, wonders, angels etc and the worship of Creation (in this case, frequencies and oils). This is deception.

    Thanks Andrew, for putting this out ….

  25. Yes we must take care of the body the Lord has so graciously given us. But we also need to realize that one day we will die (rapture may be the exception). Perhaps as His “called out ones” we should be more interested in being His witnesses – seeking first the kingdom of God than worrying about what frequency our food is vibrating at!

  26. Sherry Aug 15th 2012

    So, I’m wondering if essential oil are in and of themselves New Age. Or it is how you perceive them? I know that God can heal in a number of ways….Divine healing of the Holy Spirit, (sometimes) conventional medicine, herbal & vitamin supplements, etc. I have friends who use essential oils and say they are very helpful in healing different aliments and I’m interested in trying them BUT I don’t want to get into anything that could potentially be demonic. We’ve come across our share of deception in the church and are very careful to avoid anything that would open ourselves up to this again. Any thoughts, Andrew?

  27. Traveler Aug 15th 2012

    The occult will copy the real and then twist to its own design. This is being promoted because there is lots of money to be made out of it. The involvement of Mammon.

    2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

    This is a blending of eastern religions, witchcraft and dressed up in science. Then presented with Christian terminology. The problem with the demand for submission to others in higher authority is that it makes the promotion of deceptions so much easier on massive scales.

    What I have identified as one real problem is that the saints spend all their time reading the bible commentaries written by others and too little time actually reading the Bible itself. In fact a lot read nothing at all but just listen to what they get fed over the pulpit. If there was more Bible study on a personal level a lot of this stuff would not last longer than the day it was presented on

    We do not need motivational speakers we need actual teaching and discipling. There is enough way out there stuff in the bible without having to make up more that is not there.

  28. Raul A. Cardenas Aug 15th 2012

    The Holy Spirit endowed us with the Gift of Discernment. If we are not Holy Spirit baptized we better ask someone who is and has used at least some of the gifts, including this one. There is deception galore, and those who enjoy deception will fall for it time and time again until they ask God for a clean heart and receive it, Ps. 51:10. Blessings in Him.

  29. Lori T Aug 15th 2012

    As long as there are people chasing after experiences, feelings, signs and wonders ….. there will be false teachers to deliver.

  30. Leke Akinrowo Aug 15th 2012

    I want to align with an earlier commenter (Rod McTaggart) who said “there must be some truth for deception to ride on the back of”. Indeed, even though the devil is the father of lies, he can’t create anything. Therefore, even when he lies, he’s only twisting what already exists and he had seen. When he lied to Eve in the garden that she would not die but become like God after eating the forbidden fruit, he only twisted God’s original plan by pre-empting God. Adam and Eve were made to be like God and be immortal, afterall, the Lamb had been slain already before the creation of the world, and the devil obviously knew that the slain Lamb ultimately stood for salvation and eternal life.

    In his book “The Latent Power of the Soul”, Watchman Nee described how Adam was created with certain scientific knowledge and powers which he needed for carrying out his divine assignment of dominating (caring for) the earth, but the powers receded into his soul after he fell and no longer had dominion. Those powers are still latent in fallen man, but they are now illegal. The devil obviously knows, and he taps into man’s soul to release those powers for his nefarious activities. All demonstration of such powers outside the Holy Spirit’s control will ultimately lead away from God’s Way into witchcraft, and that’s what they do in the occult and adverse science.

    The knowledge of frequencies and energies and whatever else the Elijah List comes up with, in my own opinion, won’t be 100% lies, but they’re so twisted that they can not be of any use to a true believer. They can only pollute and turn a child of God away from the Truth.

  31. Raul A. Cardenas Aug 15th 2012

    I witness to Leke’s comment…

  32. And I keep asking God why He allows this deception etc. to go on for so long.

  33. Randorf Aug 15th 2012

    In the mid 90’s my pastor and i attended a class on crystals and energy realignment being sponsored by a local jewelry store whose owner was well known for his involvement in the new age movement. We went to observers to objectively judge that which was being taught within our community. The teachings of this crystal class and this article are very parallel. This deception is not new. What grieves me is we who call our selves spirit lead followers can be so deceivable. Discernment has been rejected in the name of tolerance and this type of teaching is the fallout.

  34. gloria goold Aug 15th 2012

    Is 55:1-2 Gods abundance is free, His healing, His Health, His love, He is all and all. When I was being snared by the world into all things outside of Christ, (things that cost money) and divert from Gods total abundance in Christ , this scripture is where I was led…nothing that God created is greater then HIM, HE is our total, He is our all, we need to search for nothing outside of HIS promises. IT is all FREE!!!! food, oil, etc is not our healer….

  35. Susan Loose Aug 15th 2012

    I am in agreement with Rod…our bodies are electrical and do have frequencies…the materials YHVH told us to wear…linen and wool have 5000 frequencies of some kind that interact with our bodies for its well being. There was also some kind of electrical charge going on in the tabernacle relating to the ark I believe, which is one of the reasons why the priests wore linen garments??? I am not 100% clear on this, but if you research it you’ll see. You all know we have electrolytes in our body and when they are out of whack, so are WE…:).
    As for the oils, again I am in agreement with Rod…YHVH gave us oils for use as annointing and medicinal…he took away ALL of these things including his sabbath and feast days from our remembrance, but is bringing them back! Praise Elohim!
    Although there is a lot of new age stuff out there, we do need to be careful not to go overboard in ourr zeal to be righteous before YHVH. Use his wisdom, knowledge and discernment in all things.

  36. Just a “thanks Andrew” for keeping these things in the light. Everyone has to make the personal choice of what to do with the information…but without the information no choice is possible…

  37. debylynne Aug 15th 2012

    the true gospel is about the PERSON of the Lord Jesus Christ and what HE has done for us. we will NEVER reach the ‘end’ of knowledge of our Wonderful Lord – never. anything that takes the focus OFF of Jesus Christ and makes it somehow about MAN attaining to some ‘new or deep knowledge’ puts everything into the realm of SELF… NOT the simple childlike trust and faith in what the Lord Jesus has done FOR us and IN us. it doesn’t matter AT ALL whether there are ‘vibes or energies or any such thing’ – NADA….none of this will lead a person into a right relationship with the Lord – none of it – it ALL somehow, in one fashion of another, causes men to EXALT THEMSELVES…..they think they are superior because they have come into some ‘deep revelation’…..focus on ME.
    2 Peter 3:17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
    we are CALLED to grow in the ‘grace and knowledge’ of what?? of who…of Our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST – we will NEVER exhaust this subject – it is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS about HIM – NOT creation – nor any other thing.

  38. Brother John Aug 15th 2012

    I am part of the older generation being a retired pensioner.
    In looking at various so called christian movements past and present it is no wonder that the christian church is what it has become of today – ineffective, entertaining every wind and doctrine, embracing occult practices dressed up to be as from the Holy Spirit, declaring that the TB experience as from God together with deceiving christians and non christians with the laughting phenomenon adding gold dust floating down upon gatherings and teeth fillings changing to gold, church leadership saying that the christian church has replaced Israel, promoting a man made world revival with all of its trimmings, and providing false prophecies and teachings about dominionism, restorationism. and taking towns, cities, and nations for Jesus. And now this Quatum changing with the use of certain oils blending in which is nothing but New Age.
    All of this has happened with church leadership explantions having been “God is doing something new.”
    So the christian church has allowed itself to be deceived and indoctrinated by those posing as shepherds who are nothing but wolves in sheeps clothing with more false and unbiblical teachings and prophecies to follow later by those claiming that they have been anointed or are the “anointed” being given special revelation from Almighty God.
    The Word of Faith Movement and Charismatics control the christian tv channels which now abound.
    It can been seen on God TV, TBN, Inspiration TV, DayStar TV, and when Revelation TV have declared that they serve the Broad Church (not the straight and narrow) this tv station which has moved to Spain from the UK, has taken on WoF leaders, false prophets, cults such as Seventh Day Adventists, recently allowed Joyce Meyer to do her own thing with her broadcasts, and now inviting Roman Catholics to come on board.
    History is teaching that people will never learn from history.
    There has been a call for revival in the christian church which has been spoken about for many years. There has supposed to have been waves of revival. Christian celebrities have been prophesying so many unscriptural things using the name of Jesus which have become a joke for those to see, as such things have not been fulfilled, and never will, because of utterances being man made and manufactured.
    What is missing? This can be summed up as REPENTANCE. But no, very few people want to get involved. But again, as with what brethren have been sharing in the previous topic concerning Billy Graham’s current statement, such a call should have been made by him, and other celebrities in the limelight years ago, which believers have been saying and declaring this for some time without their presence in the pulpit and at organised gatherings. For it appears folk and christian leadership just want to be entertained which is mainly is what is going on today.
    Who out there are actually listening to the voice of God Almighty? Who are reading the Word of God for themselves taking in His instructions? Who are prepared to lay down their lives for the Lord Jesus Christ? Who wishes to stop and think and have a look at what goes on around them getting rid of blinkered eyes and come out of deception which abounds in the western church? So far very few have bothered and continue to do their own thing in the sight of Almighty God.
    Remember that word REPENTANCE? I say it once again…REPENTANCE.
    May the Lord Jesus bless you all.
    And Andrew, continue with your chosen topics.

  39. Norm. Leslie Aug 15th 2012

    Hi all,
    I totally agree Kathleen, if you look into any 1 of these people in the Elijah List you cannot help to see that there all up the wall in one way or another with there teaching’s of The Word & there personal lives, therefore not one of them can be taken seriously, the trouble is people, especially young people who are searching for some thing are drawn to them because of there charisma and the authority they use when they dribble there nonsense, if it is not found in scripture { The Bible } then it is not of God, therefore it is of the evil one. Read it & believe it, that’s the only way, add to it or take any thing from it or twist it in any way and you have stepped out of God’s light. . .

  40. This shows me the great apostasy is upon us. His true Church will be vigiliant and hold fast. Keep your eyes on Jesus Christ only, NO distractions will surfice. The falling away is necessary. It’s time for His pure Church,, Hallelujah!

    Jesus selected Judas as one of His 12. It was to be. He also said Peter would deny Him thrice…it was to be. It’s now time for us to choose who we will serve: it has always been to be. (I must have a little Presbyterian in me vains) Thank you Andrew for showing us this big man made mess in the Elijah List…A true Watchman at the Gate, you are, thank you.

  41. Andrew and All: First I’ve never heard of the Elijah list and from the sound of it, I wouldn’t be interested in hearing more. Second – if we take away the religious overtones, which Andrew I feel you are more than likely correct on – in the alternative medicine world I know the essential oils have been promoted for a while, in addition to various herbs and other concoctions. I haven’t worried too much about them, but figure there is some positive use of some of them for health, or maybe only mental health, reasons. This morning TONY replied who these vibrations are non-scientific (in addition to non-Christian). I’ve never heard the science on any of this, so TONY can you elaborate? Andrew – do you think it is wrong for Christians to utilize the alternative medicine uses of these products, if there is no intent or design to consider a religious use or manifestation in their use? Wouldn’t this fall into the “meat sacrificed to idols” typology from the Word?

  42. Nellie Aug 15th 2012

    When you mix two metals together, it becomes an alloy. When gold bonds with another metal, it loses it value, that is why it becomes more valuable the purer it is. The Word of God is the same method, when you mix what is holy with things that are unholy, it becomes less of value.
    Deuteronomy 5 made one point clear: any prophetic word, regardless if it is true or not, if it does not draw you closer to Him, it is false, and God allows it to test His people. More people are enamored more with wonders and works than obedience and fellowship with the Almighty.
    Considering Moses was of perfect health when he died @ 120, was it from the perfect diet that balanced “his frequencies,” or was it his willingness to be in His presence?
    Just wondering, when did the Word of God get so complicated with all they claim for those “prophets” on Elijah List, when the Bible is all we need?

  43. “We know from creation that God is the eternally powerful Creator who is separate from what he has made. Paganism denies this and says that the universe is all there is, and there is no Creator outside it.

    Paganism is not just the worship of tribal or nature gods, though that’s a historically common form of it. Paganism, broadly speaking, is the worship of creation—in whatever form—rather than the Creator. (Romans 1:25)” taken from

  44. Distraction. It’s all about distraction. There’s Jesus that appeals to the inner man, and there’s “Jesus” that appeals to the flesh. Chose.

    Make room for the Life and truth He’d give. Turn from these half-measures. They are nothing in comparison to what He offers. These are worldly things; passing things. Intriguing as they may be, they’re still distractions and half-measures. Satan offers good substitutions that we won’t press in for treasure that doesn’t perish. Reject all “good” things as the bad, refusing anything but the perfect. God will not hand you something when your hands are full.

    , and there’s Their-Jesus. One has truth that trumps and transcends all else. Followers of Jesus should be saved from all of this; the things of this world having grown strangely dim. These lesser things are for those who do not actually know Him. If you don’t know Him, then indeed these are marvelous and worthy things. …But there are higher things. Come up a little higher. Put away “childish things” and distractions.

  45. Where was Jesus, the cross and being born again of His Spirit in all that “knowledge”?

    ….guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 1 Tim.6:20

    When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. 1 Cor.2: 1-5

    The only thing QUANTUM is for those false “profits” to believe and teach the written word with the demonstration of power thereof.

  46. I agree broadly with Andrew, but, on a different tack, I have a question for him. Does he believe there exist true prophets today – in the sense of those who foretell and forth-tell information by Divine revelation – who are on the scene but not a part of the “prophetic movement”, as such?

  47. why do you suppose God specifically said a ten stringed instrument in Psalms 144 ????????? frequency. quantum physics is all about frequency and if the Ph of your Blood is correct your cells operat at the proper frequency it is Science my friends not New Age. do you play a ten stringed instrument if not then you are not obedient and should repent.

  48. Please tell me about “fire tunnel” stuff. They do that every week in the church we have been going to. And they have had lots of “glory dust” and “feathers”. One day the “glory dust” was so much that I was choking on it in the air. It was found to be some kind of plastic pieces small enough to float in the air. The “fire tunnel” I do not understand. Any comments please?

  49. Look up the menaing in music, physics, the number ten and theeltter ten in the Hebrew you will be amazed. My People perish 4 a lack of Knowledge. All disease is rooted in the improper Ph of the Blood. Many foods burn acidic you must eat the opposite. Also most all the food in markets is Pharmakeia (poison) and you must then take the antidote a Dr’s prescription 4 healing (another poison). This is why in Revelation it is said that these guys will rule the world. Big Business. the beast. To be a diciple means to be diciplined and to learn. God requires it. Gods Glory is to conceal amatter it is a Kings Glory to search it out. Get searching.

  50. I have seen all sorts of nonsense first hand. It makes me sad but seeing your newsletter and where you come from Andrew gives me a lot of hope. To know we’re not alone is comforting indeed.
    I have put a message called “The Charismatic Deception” on our website which has helped thousands of people get out of the charismania movement while remaining “Charismatic” from a Biblical sense. I hope it will continue to help more people in the next years to come should the Lord tarry.
    Thank you again for your hard work Andrew. Keep it up!

  51. God is seaking the Unity of the Blessings of the tribes of israel. Gen 49 Duet 33 this brings the restoration of the tabernacle of David Amos 9. Psalm 85 speaks about healing its a Kiss. Righteousness rains down and truth comes out of the Ground.
    The number ten referres to God moving his right arm this is displayed as in Isaiah 45 Cyrus. This releases Treasures hidden in dark places. Get busy and seek God. The same ole same ole is not enough! that is why the church has lost its light and salt (both are frequencies) btw The Most High told me this. KNOW his SPIRIT. Isaiah 28:21 God will do his strange Act his alien act. btw A Whirlwind of Fire is coming from the four corners of the earth. The few needs to Jump in and dance. (Many are called but few are choosen. Throw down the spirit of Religon and find the Spirit of Life.

  52. Kathleen in WA State Aug 16th 2012

    There is no doubt in my mind that certain music and scents are soothing. Afterall, we ladies all know about those “Calgon” moments. A walk in the woods or along the seashore is equally restorative. But to profess that these, or any scientific element ought to be pursued as part of greater enlightenment is pure, quantum rubbish. Just sayin’

  53. The number ten in Hebrew is very significant. Every Hebrew letter has a numerical equilivant. The Hebrew character or letter that equals ten is a Yud and looks like this: י, it is the smallest Hebrew letter. The symbolical meaning of the Yud is God’s Hand, meaning how God’s Hand works or interacts in our lives. Because the Yud is the smallest character in the Hebrew alphabet, it symbolically says that God’s Hand is always there but never forces us. The more humble and spiritual we are, God’s Hand can have more influence in our lives to be directed according to His will.

    The Hebrew word for the number ten is pronounced, `eser and looks like this:


    The first character is the `ayin, ע, and symbolically means to see, eye, discern, or divine providence.

    The second character is the Shin, ש, and symbolically means the tree of life, burning bush, God’s spirit, etc.

    The third character is the Resh, ר, and symbolically means a humble or penitent man like he is bending over in prayer.

    So even the word for the number ten in Hebrew has a similar message, if we will be humble, we shall have the spirit to see or discern between right and wrong, truth and error, light and darkness so that we can partake of the fruit of the tree of life or arrive at the burning bush or the presence of God. Hence, if we are humble God’s Hand can direct our lives so that we can return and live with Him again.

  54. I am listening to the voice of God. I am in his Word and his Word is in me. And I am willing and ready to lay my life down. I don’t write these words in pride but I hold no shame in having written them either, for I have nothing to be ashamed of thanks to Emmanuel and Our Heavenly Father’s grace and mercy.I assure all that one who has All Power is more than capable of overcoming incorrect frequency vibrations that may be emanating from your bodies- if you believe Christ and do as he commands. Likewise one can vibrate at the “correct frequencies” all that their mortal hearts desire, for as long as they desire and still not be welcome in Our Father’s Kingdom. Believe me – or believe Kari Browning and vibrate at any frequency you may so choose ,for as long as you desire.even unto the end of the age.
    may so desire even until they turn blue

  55. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    i want to say AMEN to brother john – amen and amen and amen….and also, i fully agree with what nellie, susan, mick and jamie had to say……as for fred – i think, my brother, you are MISSING the whole point. whether there is true ‘science’ or not within some of these things has NOTHING to do with it. there ARE certain ‘health benefits’ in the Word of God…if you have ever read the book ‘NONE OF THESE DISEASES’ based on what the LORD gave israel, you have to recognize that the word of God does contain information about what to do to avoid disease as much as it is possible for ourselves – BUT – THAT IS NOT OUR FOCUS – what is being ‘promoted’ by those of e.l. is a REPLACEMENT for the true gospel – it is, as was said, ‘another jesus’ – the LORD JESUS Himself NEVER told His disciples to FOCUS on things such as this – He told them to lay down their lives, He told them to deny themselves, He told them to go and preach and share the truth of salvation in His name through His shed blood – all these other things are just as was said – DISTRACTIONS to pull people away from following the Lord Jesus with all their hearts, souls, minds and strength – make it about ‘US’ and we jump right on that old bandwagon – and ultimately turn our faith FROM the Lord Jesus Christ to ‘other things’ and lose our souls. this is a VERY DEADLY deception, fred. NOT just harmless ‘science’ – it leads people to ‘another gospel and another jesus’ and that will end up damning them. DON’T HOLD YOUR PEACE ANDREW – PLEASE.

  56. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    this ‘vibration’ stuff makes me think of bob jones and his ‘portals’ – good or evil depending on which way the portal was spinning!! oh, PLEASE, body of CHRIST – STOP TRYING TO HAVE YOUR EARS TICKLED!! NONE of this is supported by the Word of God – no, not even because of the ‘number of strings on an instrument’ – IF things like that had MATTERED in the new covenant, the Lord Jesus would have TOLD US SO. GOD IS GOOD – He doesn’t ‘hide things from us’ and only the TRULY spiritual ‘discern’ them – HE IS A KIND AND LOVING FATHER and He has given us EVERYTHING WE NEED FOR LIFE AND GODLINESS – everything in JESUS CHRIST.

  57. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    no, fred, those who trust what HE said and proclaim ONLY that are the ones standing on the solid rock – JESUS CHRIST is the answer to every single thing. every feast and every sacrifice – everything – HE FULFILLED IT ALL – observing any of these things is like saying He was NOT the whole answer – but He was and He is and He ever shall be. Jesus Christ, our Sabbath rest. amen.

  58. The Gospel of the KINGDOM. Jesus Is Lord. And HE calls for one new man Look it up! Unity of the Jew and Gentile. Have you raised any dead this morning??? blind eyes??? deaf ears??? I did. etc. have you been to hell this morn I was. my clothes smell of smoke. talk is cheap get busy.

  59. God most certanly DOES hides things what Bible have you been reading????

  60. Teshuva Aug 16th 2012

    I have to wonder if in Isaiah’s day, if people thought that a poultice of figs to heal a boil, which was the source of Hezikiahs illness, instead of anointing him with oil was a new age thing.

    The body does conduct electrical impulses that are positive and or negative.
    In fact many of the bacteria that we take medicine for is listed as gram positive or gram negative.

  61. Jo Sappenfield Aug 16th 2012

    When we see how easily deceived many of those who name the name of Jesus Christ…Yeshua and YHWH included can become, we should be brought into the reality of our personal vulnerability. What small admonition–what gentle reminders–easily deniable–have I dismissed as invaluable? I don’t believe God allows us to become foolish with any delight on His part. I believe that if His shadow must lift from one who once walked circumspectly, it is with intensity of sadness of heart that it does….but after examining ourselves to “see whether we be in the faith”….we pray for those who for whatever reason–reasons visible or invisible, have traded the truth for destruction.

  62. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    He does NOT hide the truth from His children – even little children can understand what the true gospel of Jesus Christ is because it is NOT veiled or hidden – THAT is what matters.
    and, brother, your statement seems to proclaim a lot about YOU than about HIM. perhaps you should think on that??
    i’m not on here to PROCLAIM what i have done – i’m here to proclaim what HE has done.
    in love

  63. Bill Fawcett Aug 16th 2012

    >not all science is malevolent

    Yes, but NOTHING presented in this article is science. Especially where Kari Browning states:

    “Love has the highest frequency of all.”

    And her “proof” for this?

    “1 Corinthians 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”

    That’s not: 1) Science not is it 2) any bit related to what the csripture is saying. That leaves 3) NEW AGE.

  64. Ibelieve Aug 16th 2012

    Never heard of the Elijah list, but it sounds like it reeks of the occult.

    Many in the churches today are practicing yoga, tai chi, zen, you name it. They think its just a form of exercise.

    I was just reading this morning what Paul said to the Galations:

    I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

    The Bible is quite clear, “Let them be accursed”.

    Sounds harsh and in today’s economy its definitely not Politically correct.

    Its important in these last days to continually, “abide” in “His Words”.

  65. Bill Fawcett Aug 16th 2012

    Teshuva, don’t be an idiot. It’s not becoming.

    “The body does conduct electrical impulses that are positive and or negative.
    In fact many of the bacteria that we take medicine for is listed as gram positive or gram negative.”

    Gram negative or positive have to do with whether the bacteria will retain a violet dye when stained under a microscope. 2 classes of bacteria- base on structural differences of the cell wall types.


  66. So why did Jesus use paribles to keep the truth from those “others” ??? anyway

    When we draw near God, the LOVE you feel from Him inside you is so comforting and serene, and wonderful!!!! It’s difficult to describe…..:) It’s like everything in your whole world is FABULOUS, no matter what your circumstances are outs
    ide of that connection. You have HOPE, JOY, and ANTICIPATION of wonderful things!!! I’m THRILLED the whole time I’m near Him like that…..:) He’s my escape, my rescuer – my knight in shining armor, my Prince!! Just being near Him in my mind and my heart is seriously the very best feeling I have ever felt in my life!!
    What I’ve just described to you is entering “God’s rest”. We are to strive for that, and that’s a “spiritual skill” we need that SO BADLY right now. Things are worse out there than we know already. Things are going downhill VERY FAST. We MUST be able to enter God’s Rest or the turmoil around us will steal our joy…..and we can’t have that because the JOY of the LORD is our strength!!!!! We enter God’s Rest and recharge with LOVE, and HOPE, and HAPPINESS, and CONTENTMENT…..:)
    1 Chronicles 16:11 Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.
    16:27 Glory and honour are in his presence; strength and gladness are in his place.
    Job 23:6 Will he plead against me with his great power? No; but he would put strength in me.
    Psalms 18:1 I will love thee, O LORD, my strength.
    Psalms 28:7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.
    28:8 The LORD is their strength, and he is the saving strength of his anointed.
    118:14 The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.
    Isaiah 40:29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
    40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
    Lets Find ourselfs Drawing near him till JESUS is in TOTAL control….

  67. Isaiah 6:9-11

    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    9 And He said, Go and tell this people, Hear and hear continually, but understand not; and see and see continually, but do not apprehend with your mind.

    10 Make the heart of this people fat; and make their ears heavy and shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their hearts and turn again and be healed.

    11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And He answered, Until cities lie waste without inhabitant and houses without man, and the land is utterly desolate,

  68. DeWayne Aug 16th 2012

    God did create us in amazing bodies, about which I’ve come to describe in part as Dr. body. Being an amazing functioning body that works to keep in best immunal and healthy state… with proper attention to healthy methods found over many generations effective in continuing as described.

    What worries me at times (often), is the wisdom of man finding alternative’s to what God has created, alternatives to Dr. body functions. Our basic food’s today are pumped full of these miracle’s, not apparently sufficient, also ourselves being pumped or pill-popped described as necessary.

    These miracle theorem’s remind me of my past working career, when (actual) problems arose and people began addressing the symptoms rather than the problem, these as often then creating a new problem. If it works don’t change it has it’s limits, but the other side of the coin is strange miracles (said) to improve upon what already works quite effectively.

    Also, I believe with modern methods of propagated energy fields, we have ample if not exceeded reverberating and viberating atoms. What perhaps is more important, is passing on some of these man made miracles, and instead concentrating on the ‘amazing body’ God originally created.

  69. Isaiah 45

    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    45 Thus says the Lord to His anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have held to subdue nations before him, and I will unarm and ungird the loins of kings to open doors before him, so that gates will not be shut.

    2 I will go before you and level the mountains [to make the crooked places straight]; I will break in pieces the doors of bronze and cut asunder the bars of iron.

    3 And I will give you the treasures of darkness and hidden riches of secret places, that you may know that it is I, the Lord, the God of Israel, Who calls you by your name.

    4 For the sake of Jacob My servant, and of Israel My chosen, I have called you by your name. I have surnamed you, though you have not known Me.

    5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird and arm you, though you have not known Me,

    6 That men may know from the east and the rising of the sun and from the west and the setting of the sun that there is no God besides Me. I am the Lord, and no one else [is He].

    7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] [a]evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things.

  70. Proverbs 25:1-3

    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    25 These are also the proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied:

    2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings is to search out a thing.

    3 As the heavens for height and the earth for depth, so the hearts and minds of kings are unsearchable.

  71. Are you really Disciplined (a Disciple??)
    See this…

    We only enter the sabbeth rest when we do his will John 5 / Isaiah 58

  72. DeWayne Aug 16th 2012

    It does sound like we should be dragging a ground-line to be safe… not.

  73. Almost seems like a ‘waste of time’ posting to this extremely long list of posts which I will never read – so I cannot imagine anyone else that energetic – unless of course their “frequency level” has sky-rocked in a negative response to all this article propounds.

    Back in 1994-2000 I went back and forth across the nation with a warning message like Jonah and in my travels attended the beginnings of ‘Morning Star’ with Rick Joyner. I had so many dreams of him and his movement being “out to lunch” I was eventually ‘Kangeroo Kourted’ from his church for personally warning the members of his
    congregation as well as his leadership confronting Rick Joyner, Steve Thompson and Bob Jones personally. They paid no attention to the warnings and have been “off the deep end” since 94.

    Elijah list was the same and they began posting during that period of time and I just knew that I knew they were a waste of time as well.

    How bout this scenerio: Thess. speaks of a ‘great dillusion’ coming upon His Church and brought by the Lord because “those that were His” bought into deception and did not love the truth – kind of like Eve, then Adam bought into the lies of the serpent although they had been warned.

    There is another ‘quite popular’ older very spiritually intellectual book out there that I have read some and it seems to be catching on with many serious saints. I read about 60 pages of it and began to discern error relative to this whole “God is energy thing” – difference is this guy talks much of the Word of God and Jesus and the blood but I think it is “intellectual/crafty” but “off”. Name of the book is ABDRUSCHIN “In the Light of Truth” Grail Message – with the supposed best edition being 1931. A real mixture of ‘super truth’ and potentially ‘super deception’ – be warned.

  74. Kathleen in WA State Aug 16th 2012

    There are a myriad scriptural passages that are not meant to be a “one size fits all”. They were given for a specific time, for a specific reason, and for a specific people/person. Often I hear people take a scripture hostage to mean something entirely different than the text even teaches or implies.

    As for our bodies …

    13 For You formed my inward parts;
    You covered me in my mother’s womb.
    14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
    Marvelous are Your works,
    And that my soul knows very well.
    15 My frame was not hidden from You,
    When I was made in secret,
    And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
    16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
    And in Your book they all were written,
    The days fashioned for me,
    When as yet there were none of them.
    ~ Psalm 139

    At creation, we were formed from the elements already in existence. That is not new information. We were also created in God’s image. That is not new information either.

  75. Teshuva Aug 16th 2012

    Bill Fawcett
    Pardon this idiots understanding of the electrostatic attraction and trans-membrane electric fields that are evident in cellular levels, though your answer with the uptake of stain for the different ones are true.
    Forgive me for thinking that they have a nucleus and protons and electrons etc..

  76. Pastor Brian Bennett Aug 16th 2012

    Well Brother Andrew I know your pain and deal in the straight truth in the Word day in and day out. I believe that we are in the last days and the word describes this all in many places, but in an extremely clear way as follows.

    2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
    2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
    2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
    2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
    2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

    2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    My heart weeps and aches to condition of the dead church that can not be saved because thier hearts are full of rebellion and self loving sufficency.

    We that are seeing and hearing and discerning must keep our obedience on high alert for this race is not won by compromise, nor in silence but in declaration of the Truth, His Word is Truth!

    The Lord Bless you brother Andrew

    Your fellow servant in Christ our King
    Pastor Brian Bennett

  77. Hebrews 4:10-12

    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    10 For he who has once entered [God’s] rest also has ceased from [the weariness and pain] of human labors, just as God rested from those labors [a]peculiarly His own.

    11 Let us therefore be zealous and exert ourselves and strive diligently to enter that rest [of God, to know and experience it for ourselves], that no one may fall or perish by the same kind of unbelief and disobedience [into which those in the wilderness fell].

    12 For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the [b]breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.

  78. Kelling Aug 16th 2012

    Billy Hamon’s. Christain International, Prophetic School wrecked a friend of mine a number of years ago, they took over her mind and she lost it, became delusional with paranonia, her name was Claudia perhaps if we all pray for her she will return to the sound mind that Aba Father gave her, Amen. Beware of his tricks as the word says that even the elect will be deceived and he will show lying wonders and signs. His mission is to kill and devour.

  79. THis “new teaching” is accepted in Charismatic circles BECAUSE
    See Ephesians 4:11-16 they are tossed to and fro because of it – like the people who bought into The “Purpose book” {can’t think of
    the title right now}.

  80. I’m not sure about it being “New Age”, but instead, I would lean more in the direction of secular humanism. In Genesis, God told Cain that the blood of his brother cries out from the ground. Blood has a frequency. Not saying for sure that it isn’t “New Age”, but all that mankind has been able to do, at best, is to cooperate in the healing process.

  81. Science and Christianity are compatible. But some Christians need to learn some science. There is a quantum world but there is so much silliness in all this ridiculous surmising from people who are illiterate in Science and proper Christian exegesis. We need to grow up in the Lord and not march out into silliness. I have taught the science of quantum physics for years and told how there are parallels with the spiritual world, but there is no magic there and we really don’t want to be e=mc squared into energy from matter as it would feel too well.

    God Bless all here on this list

  82. Kathleen in WA State Excellent article THANKYOU!!!
    btw I have found in the Study of the scriptures that the treasures (Fire, Snow, hail etc) of God are held in the Stars c Job, Amos, Psalms etc this is why the heathen worship these. In Genesis it speaks that the Stars are authorities and instruments of Praise in Psalms. In Romans 1 it talks about those who worship the creation s the crator. we also have those who worship the gifts vs the giver. the treasury of knoledge is not wrong as long as we know the source of the knowledge. Satan knows the wisdom of God and he has been using it for centuries to cause chaos. It was his motive PRIDE that was wrong. Its not always the what it is the why and the how. this post may upset the stiffnecked but so be it.
    I am not nice I am kind. Big Difference. we are star dust and we return to dust the stars are Gods treasury. this is not new age it is fact Study to show thyself approved.

  83. Stacey Aug 16th 2012

    This actually didn’t surprise me. About a month ago Beni Johnstone (wife of Bill) blogged about healing with tuning forks. The New Age deception continues to rapidly consume the church. It’s like a frog in boiling water who doesn’t recognize the danger he is in. We ALWAYS need to run EVERYTHING thru the purity and truth of Gods Word, and if it isn’t there then get rid of it. I dont read anywhere that Jesus healed with a tuning fork!

  84. One:

    “My Sons and my Daughters

    The Kingdom of God is not in Word but in Power.

    The Power is in the shed Blood of my Son and it is in His obedience

    unto Death that my Power is Completed.

    Press In, Press In, I say Press in.

    Lift me higher and my enemies will be scattered.

    Yea, lift me Higher, much Higher.

    Draw unto Me and I will Draw unto you.

    I desire to Abide with you and in you.

    Set yourselves apart. Yea, set yourselves apart.

    I love you! I desire you! more! more!

    For indeed, I am a Jealous God!

    Today, I am calling you into a much much Higher Dimension of

    Power, Influence and Holiness.

    Yea, even now the Enemy desires to distract you from the Vision. For he is setting many unclean spirits against this House to prevent you from moving into the fullness of my Love, Power and Glory. These spirits are: the Antichrist, Jezebel, Athaliah, Delilah, Apathy, Unbelief, Licentiousness, Status Quo, Criticism, Political, Impatience, Poverty, Lack, Ignorance and Irreverence. Be Forewarned!!! They are not yet encamped. Rise up! Rise up!

    Contend! Contend! Proactive! Proactive! Put them Under your Feet!

    Dig Deep. Dig the Wells deep before the Drought comes and you are Thirsty.

    Yea, my Children it is amazing were I have brought you from.

    But it pales in comparison to how Amazing it is were I Desire to Take you!

    My Glory Awaits!!!

    And I will restore all that has been wasted or lost.

    Restore Restore

    Press In, again, I say Press in.

    Sing a New Song, Worship Me in a Brand New Way.

    For It is a Very Great Thing, A Brand New Thing I do in this Hour. My Beloved.”


    “Yea, my People,

    Don’t Settle for My Second Best for I Desire to Give You My Absolute Very Best!

    Reach out and lay hold of my Very Best.

    Yea, All I have is Yours to Possess.

    Today! Today!

    Yea, Reach Out! Reach Out! Lay Hold!

    Take up your cross. Drink my cup of suffering.

    Yea, I have a permissive will, but this very day, yea, this very hour, Lay hold of my perfect will.

    Be perfect my Children for I your Father am Perfect.

    I desire to bring you into my habitation not just a visitation.

    Yea, Habitation, For it is in my Habitation that the Perfection of my Love exists!!!

    Here the Harvest is Reaped, the Lost is Found, the Dead will Rise, the Lame Walks,

    the Blind See, the Deaf Hear, the Sick are Healed and the Broken heart mended!!!

    Yea, my perfect will.

    Are you Hungry? Are you Thirsty?

    Examine Yourselves and set your Priorities.

    How Do You Spend your Time?

    Yea, Wisdom Calls, Wisdom is Calling Unto You!

    Today! Today! Even This Very Hour!

    Reach out, Reach out and Lay Hold of My Very Best!

    My Kingdom comes!

    For I Love you my Children and I desire to Use you and to Bless you beyond all comprehension.”


    “Yea, you are Beautiful My Children very Beautiful. As I created you in My Image. If you can only understand just how wonderful you look to me. But examine yourselves by looking into My mirror. Do you not see the beauty? What else Do you See? Everything that seems ugly is not of me. For it is the cares, burdens and trappings of this world. Yea, my children lay all these down yea lay them aside. For they take away from your beauty. Look to me and see says the Lord. For I Am the God who is Beautiful.

    I Am the God who breaks the chains. I Am the God who Delivers. I Am the God who Heals. I Am the God who Saves. I Am the God who makes you Beautiful. So throw down the ugliness and be Free! For I Am your God! Come Up my Children. You are Beautiful.”

  85. Michael Aug 16th 2012

    If the end of the age is near which means Jesus is coming sooner than we think! Maybe this is all part of the end times and the great falling away before he comes? (2Th 2:3 ¶ let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition)

    These vibrations are scientific finds (allover youtube) that are going to lead the apostate back sliding church to empower themselves for end time miracles. The new age, nonbelieving and back sliden religious community is doing it already. They are healing people through this scientific dark worldly powers that empower man to be like Gods because God is not needed to manifest these miracles. But revelations said these things would happen in end times. So does this mean we are living in end times right now if these things are happening now like bible already said it would. Now if the bible says the church is going to go apostate and large part fall away. Should I be trying to stop what the bible says or be doing what the bible says I should be doing. Does the bible say to try to save the apostate church or to save the lost. Which would be the wise thing to do here?

  86. Desert Rose Aug 16th 2012

    The part that confuses me is, I am reading one of david herzog books who is very much into the gold dust ect. he uses the scripture of (John 20:30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples ,which are not written in this book). he says that they are seeing many miracles of healing and even people raised by the dead, and are even being transferred so someone please tell me what is going on????

  87. Tiffany Aug 16th 2012

    Andrew, thank you so much for this article and for bringing awareness to these types of deception within the body of Christ. I agree completely where you wrote: “Does it really require that much “discernment” to see that these people have simply taken obvious ‘New Age’ techniques (not found in the Bible) and are repackaging them for gullible Christians?
    Where will it all end? How “New Age” do things have to get?”

    Also, Pastor Brian wrote: “My heart weeps and aches to condition of the dead church that can not be saved because thier hearts are full of rebellion and self loving sufficency.

    We that are seeing and hearing and discerning must keep our obedience on high alert for this race is not won by compromise, nor in silence but in declaration of the Truth, His Word is Truth!” AMEN Pastor Brian, my heart weeps along with you! God bless you, Andrew and others who truly care for the Lord’s sheep! We have very few “leaders” who REALLY care… Blessings!

  88. Kelling Aug 16th 2012

    Satan hides behind the New Age and other movements such as the UFO cult, here is an interesting article to look up on the web by Jason Guenther on this called, “Fallen Watchers’. very frightening his deception of the masses. Just use the title to find. Be of good courage and sound mind as Paul said.

  89. Leanne Odonnell Aug 16th 2012

    Definately sounds new age, kineseology has the same theory on resonation and homeopathy. Everything does resonate, but it dosent mean we should get into yin and yang or homeopathy. The only positive power in the world belongs to the holy spirit.
    Some of those essential oils get curses put on them by witches.
    Im definately not going there.
    Good one Andrew.

  90. Firstly, the Elijah’s List does it again. This is very telling of the mindset of our charismatic brothers and sisters. Very dangerous indeed. Secondly, it is so inconvenient that I have to scroll down past a million comments for me to leave one….

  91. WatEenZooitje Aug 16th 2012

    The Elijah List, in this case Kari Brown, is talking about frequencies. I don’t know anything about frequencies but what got my attention is that the ultracharismatics are more into science-fiction stuff than the Word of God. Some years ago there was a video on the internet about Robert Heidler and a thing called planetary worship. The outer space (planets, stars, moons etc.) are somehow sending out sounds. At a certain point during the sermon, he called out the worship band and the audience to praise God together with the recorded planetary sounds which Nasa somehow provided. When you saw the scene, you would not believe that it was a Christian service but more a workshop of a Star Trek convention.

    Now they are talking about frequencies, quantum leap etc. If I would share this with a Sci Fi fan he/she would be excited. But it is not talking about sin and repentance. And the Bible is not talking about how to use frequencies to make someone see that he/she is a SINNER and that he/she needs to REPENT. The Lord Jesus Messiah is not a Jedi Master that can manipulate some frequencies with The Force to bring people to serve El Elohim. If these things are considered more important to share with the believers than The Blood and The Ultimate Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, than they are moving in The Twilight Danger Zone.

    Frequency dogma, Planetary Worship, Biblical Numerlogy, putting Supernatural Events from the Bible in line as an experience that you can do at will etc. etc. It is more a theme for the Discovery/SyFy Channel than to building up the Church. So, it can be a true thing, this knowledge about frequencies. I don’t know if it is scientific acknowledged. But in my opinion this frequency stuff is irrelevant for the body of Christ. And, suppose that you can do things with frequencies, who garantees the believers that they will be on God’s frequency and not on an evil frequency. There are ghost hunting programs on syfy channel and they work also with frequencies. The results are disturbing because they make contact with evil spirits. I stopped watching these programs because it is dangerous and God forbids us to be involved with these kind of spiritism. I don’t need to experience the evil frequencies which these programs are digging up, God’s Word (Deuteronomy) is enough.

    So sad that these sci-fi like (new age?) things are taking place within the Christian world and that they are considered more important than the Word of God.

  92. I think back to one of the real wake up calls that happened to charismatic christianity back in about 1992. When Diane Sawyer exposed Larry Lea and Robert Tilton and W.V. Grant Jr on national television for various deceptions and falsehoods that they had promulgated in their ministries. These revelations weren’t too far removed from the Jimmy Swaggart scandals of the late 80’s.

    This had a real impact on me at that time because it became clear to me that what matters more than anything else as we are held up to scrutiny before men or before God is that we must be righteous people. That’s what makes us distinct from the rest of the world and acceptable to God. Righteousness is the standard, righteousness is the goal, righteousness is the message. Righteousness will be the judgment in the final day. The gospel is a means to that end.

    When we neglect or despise the preaching of righteousness as the fruit and outcome of our faith as christians, when practical righteousness ceases to be the goal of our message and ceases to be the key to our future destiny then we can be certain that we have gone astray from the intended message of the gospel and that those who have embraced any such diversion are NOT living according to righteousness. This the proverbial hand in glove scenario. If you don’t preach righteousness as the goal of our lives, the people will neglect righteousness and fail to live righteously, it’s just that simple.

    This is bigger than the NAR or the “Prophetic Movement”, this fallacy is affecting the whole of christendom. The gospel as a means to wealth, or success, or power, or control, or happiness, or manifestations, or ministry or “creativity and wellness”. The gospel as a crutch or aid or inspiration to get at whatever I want in this world. It is another gospel.

    NO!!! The gospel is a means to attaining righteousness by God’s grace through our faith in order that that we might be accepted and rewarded by God in His eternal kingdom one day. We are seeking first and foremost an entrance into God’s heavenly and eternal kingdom by means of a demonstrable righteousness that will justify us before God in that day.

    It is the righteous out of faith that shall live in that day. It is the path of the righteous that shines brighter and brighter until that full and glorious day.

  93. Andrew Aug 16th 2012

    Well said, Davo.

    Someone said above that the exact same “vibration” theory is used to condone the use of ‘crystals’ for healing in the New Age. Yes – just another New Age healing practice that tries to do it without God. “Vibrations”, frequencies – most of it is pseudo-scientific nonsense and has no place in biblical Christianity. Remember people who used to sit under ‘Pyramids’ to get their “vibrations” and frequencies aligned?

    The whole thing is very New Age.

    I urge people to use discernment in these days.

    The same goes for “contemplative” prayer and the like.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom.

  94. Averyl Aug 16th 2012

    Carolyn Wheeler, – do you mean “The Pupose Driven Life” by Rick Joyner?

    I think that scientists research how the creation works.
    That there is truth in alot of things such as astrology, numerology, healing oils etc.. But if we go overboard we end up in the sea of the occult. God told us not to go there, our faith will be ship-wrecked.
    We must stay in the ark of fellowship with our God.

  95. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    good word – thank you. amen davo and andrew. truth truth truth.

  96. Bill Fawcett Aug 16th 2012

    Blood does not have a frequency, Blood crying out is figurative

    “But the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying out to me from the ground!”

    The word “voice” is a personification; the evidence of Abel’s shed blood condemns Cain, just as a human eyewitness would testify in court.

    Examples like this are NOT the Bible confirming science, it junk science twisting scripture to give it credibility. And it is not working.

  97. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    “the purpose driven life” was written by rick warren – the one from saddleback church – also deception.

  98. Bill Fawcett Aug 16th 2012

    “this idiots understanding of the electrostatic attraction and trans-membrane electric fields that are evident in cellular levels”

    Teshuva, the tern NEGATIVE in the phrase “gram negative” has nothing to do with an electrical charge supposed to be negative, it has to do with failing the test, just like peeing on a pregnancy test.

    Furthermore, if it had something to do with electrical fields, then it would have nothing to do with frequency, because a negative electrostatic field would be direct current, and frequencies by definition involve alternating current.

  99. Rollan McCleary Aug 16th 2012

    One of the things that irritates, even angers me about the likes of The Elijah List is that they can get away with this kind of New Age deception by giving an appearance of being biblical including by raising holy hands in horror against that element of the so-called “occult” they have no business to be against and opposition to which is itself a form of heresy or deception.

    Jesus’ birth occasioned the visit of magi (lit. astrologers). The ultra orthodox Essenes practiced astrology. The Talmud discusses it and all because this ridiculous fundamentalist contention that astrology is biblically forbidden “divination” was not understood to be that not least because it is observational, not intutional. No one has however explained what the signs were that heralded Jesus’ birth. They are meant to be known, particularly today when we stand at the end of an era which Jesus’ birth heralded.

    “Good” evangelicals imagine they can get at the truth through biblical astronomy. This is delusion. They must have the sense and humility to go through the proper doors for this and it is historical astrology but seen through the lens of modern techniques in the discipline including such as revelatory name, place and concept asteriods.

    The first clue towards solving the signs of Christ’s birth were given back in the 70s by the major and at the time widely approved D’Occhieppo/Hughes thesis. I have extended this line in research and the results are mind blowing. The data for Christ have been found down to extreme detail his birth and death and the remarkable data for the true Easter morning. There was even a super conjunction of Jesus’ names and titles at his birth. Even his ancestors names are found in his “house” of origins. This is news for the world, It is meant to be known, Jesus himself has confirmed this to others regarding my work and opposition to it is wrong. But you don’t hear of it because evangelicals are running scared. They won’t even look at it or consider it any more than secular publishers though I am a published author in religion and doctor of religious studies.

    Andrew, kindly don’t censor me out or at least consider your responsiblities and write to me personally at
    [email protected]. I have written to you before and not had personal response. Sorry, this is not really good enough and I deserve apology or more like God deserves some apology from many Christians in this whole area which is one of Christian, bullying, censoring, and blind ignorance. I am dashing out and am unnlikely at least today to be able to answer anything anyone might wish to reply pro or con but really I am more interested Andrew should reply to me and/or read the self published book on this. I won’t give the title or I’ll be accused of self advertisement!.

  100. Andrew Aug 16th 2012

    Bill (2 above) – you made a great point.

    AC or DC?

    Hard to believe, isn’t it?

    Bless you,


  101. Too much to read but got some in. I didnt see a whole lot about praying. Please forgive me if I missed it. But one thing I pray for people is that God would lift the veil of deception. satan has people deceived.

    All revivals began with lots and lots of prayer. We must first be careful to keep our hearts right with God. He is a holy God and loves holiness from His children. We didnt get to any depth of relationship with the Lord by ourselves.

    By His great love & mercy and His promise to finish the good work He began in us. I look back and see how much I have been forgiven & how far He has brought me.

    Most of the Church, which is you and I, have been lukewarm, back-slid etc. at one time or another. He does pick us up when we fall. And I see how God has also protected me from cults etc. I know He searches hearts all over the world looking for a heart that longs for Him even if it is the tiniest bit. And He will take that person out of that false doctrine or cult and bring them into the Truth – Jesus Christ & Him crucified.

    Our hope is in Him and Him alone. The Sovereign God. He will have His will and His way. And we do pray for those seeking, the lost, the hurting, the arrogant, the prodigals, the proud, the deceived & the deceivers whom satan is using etc.

    That eyes will be opened & hearts touched by the Holy Spirit all over the world and people will have a hatred for sin & a hunger & longing for Righteousness which is Jesus Christ.

  102. jorgedelaselva Aug 16th 2012

    Got a brief chance to skim many replies to this post. Thanks Andrew for bringing it to our attention.

    Brother John’s recommendation of seeking REPENTANCE is what speaks most to me.

    The last two verses of the Old Testament speak of great Elijah type revival that will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children. (Of course, mothers will also follow.) This revival happened before the Great day of the Lord, which I believe is indicative of Jesus’ first comlng. This revival is also predicted to occur before the dreadful day of the Lord, which I believe to indicate the Lord’ s second coming.

    This revival was centered on REPENTANT people confessing their sins, REPENTING, and being baptized. The hypocritical religious leaders would not humble themselves and follow John and Jesus on this matter!

    The next revival (which will bring wholeness on all levels) will not be one centered on signs and wonders lt will be one in in which the true leaders will be honest to their followers of their own shortcomings and their followers will be free to REPENT also.

    James says “confess your sins to each other …. so that you may be healed.” In John 13, Jesus speaks to Peter about the need to frequently wash his feet. He tells Peter that if he does not follow this practice then, YOU HAVE NO PART WITH ME. This is a very radical warning. Jesus go on to say that a person who has taken a full bath (which represents the initial salvation experience) does not need to bathe again, but he does need to regularly wash his feet. (This represents an open honesty over our trespasses that we are to REPENT of at least as often as the Lord’s Prayer is recited.

    I have two dear friends, Jesse and Justine, that are trying to get off of meth. (This addiction is rampant in the US) I have more hope for them to get help in AA where they will regularly hear people who have confessed and REPENTED of their sins, rather than a church where proud leaders who admit to no faults rule most roosts.

  103. Teshuva Aug 16th 2012

    If everything is broken down to a cellular level, to include bacteria, budding yeast etc, then there is an electrical component. Even a battery has cells. If you have a dead cell then your battery will not work at the capacity it was meant to.

    How do our nerves transmit information?

    A nerve fibre is actually an extension of a single nerve cell.

    The inside and outside of most of our cells are bathed with fluid containing positively and negatively charged ions (e.g. sodium Na+; potassium K+; chloride Cl_). Using complex biological “pumps”, the cell’s machinery is able to transport positively charged ions through the (semi) permeable membrane, with the end result being that there is a slight excess of negatively charged ones inside. This means there will be an electric potential across the membrane, so that the inside and outside are like the positive and negative poles on a battery, i.e. it is polarized (Fig. 1).

    If something causes the membrane to suddenly become more permeable at one spot, the resulting flow of positive ions back into the cell causes the charge differences to cancel out at this point—i.e. , the membrane will become depolarized there (Fig. 2).

    This depolarization then spreads sideways, like a wave, along the cell wall, i.e. along the nerve fibre. The message in our nerve fibres is not transmitted by an electric current as such, but by a wave of depolarization (Fig. 3). The cell’s biological pumps restore the electric charge to the membrane behind the path of the wave.

    A number of things—mechanical or electrical stimuli, or chemical effects—can cause this temporary increase in permeability. Where one nerve fibre A makes contact with another B at what is called a synapse, the arriving wave causes the release of special transmitter chemicals from tiny containers. These chemicals cause depolarization in B at that contact point, so starting a new wave of depolarization going in the same direction. Once released, the transmitter chemicals have to be broken down almost instantly, otherwise B would stay depolarized, and unable to build up charge ready for the next “firing”.

    Organophosphorus insecticides (e.g. malathion) work by preventing this breakdown, thus the insect’s nerve cells cease to function properly. Because our nerve fibres use the same transmitter chemicals, malathion is poisonous to humans if exposed to enough of it.

    This whole cycle of charge, discharge, chemical release, breakdown, and remanufacture, can happen several hundred times per second. Even with this very simplified description, it is clearly an astonishing process. The information to plan and make all this is stored in code on our DNA, the material of heredity. We really are fearfully and wonderfully made!

  104. Hi, in response to Andy and others, obviously frequencies, waves, and vibrations are found throughout nature, and science seeks to understand them. It’s not as simple as saying that everything has a frequency – eg speech is made up of many different frequencies (conversely a flute, playing a single note, is pretty much a single frequency), and white light is a combination of many different frequencies (eg a rainbow happens when water in the air causes the sun’s light to be split into different frequencies). Sounds of any sort are vibrations in the air, whereas light something completely different – it’s what’s called electromagnetic radiation, the same as radio waves, microwaves, x-rays, and gamma rays.

    The way things are presented in the ElijahList article is factually incorrect and has no basis in the real world. It’s what’s called pseudo-science – stuff that seems plausible to the layman but is actually nonsense. The ideas that foods have frequencies, that prayer raises frequency, that if our frequencies gets too low we become ill, that essential oils raise our frequency are all ridiculous, as are many other things. How do you go about measuring such frequencies? I’ve no idea! I spent four years at a top university and frequencies and waves probably came up every day. If I’d asked a professor what’s the frequency of coffee I’d have been laughed out of the door!

    This isn’t my speciality, but I don’t think the health benefits of essential oils has been medically proven. Some are certainly toxic. They will have effects on the body and/or mind due to their chemical properties, not because they affect your vibrations. The use of essential oils is known as aromatherapy, it’s an alternative medicine, and like many other related fields, it’s definitely new age influenced.

    Herbs were also mentioned, and some plants do contain chemicals which affect you, for better or worse. The chemicals in the cannabis plant are obviously not good; the benefits of the caffeine in coffee are debatable; willow bark extract has a useful medicinal property (reducing fever) because it contains aspirin. But once more all this is nothing to do with vibrations.

    As a christian with a science-based degree, I can categorically say that what the ElijahList published is neither christian nor scientific and should be avoided.

  105. Michael, your questions are timely and need answers. Christ Jesus said no one would know the exact time, day or year He would return. Why? His Father has not told Him. He gave His sheep, us, all the essentials we need to know from prophecies and descriptions of the last days to get a good understanding when it would be. Our timing is not God’s timing, as He is God.

    Keep your eyes on Him and He will guide you through. One need not complicate conditions before us. but I’ve had questions like yours in my lifetime too. “Since it’s a done deal, what am I to do, God?’ Search His Word. Michael…not books or sermons or talks on the subject for that is where we begin to err. Pray as you go. Ask for His wisdom for you to understand. He will gladly do so. Trust-Love and Obey Him. Pray for the lost, in or out of church-goers. Share the Gospel, in season and out. God will take care us of (and everything else). What a mighty, Perfect God we serve.

  106. pimpernel Aug 16th 2012

    Thanks Andrew for posting. Is Robert Heidler the one who has written books about the Jewish roots of the church?? I went to his seminar.
    Also, what do you think of Bill Johnson and Bethel church?? I go to a church that are right into them, but I have seen some flakey and untrue comments by Bill on his Facebook page, so much so that I challenged them.
    When I read some of the comments on here in support of radio frequencies, I am struck that they never mention Jesus. Hmmmm.

  107. Andrew, you ask: “Does it really require that much “discernment” to see that these
    people have simply taken obvious ‘New Age’ techniques (not found
    in the Bible) and are repackaging them for gullible Christians?
    Where will it all end? How “New Age” do things have to get?”

    No Andrew, it requires very little (if any) discernment to see the falsehood.

    I became aware around the time of Lakeland and Todd Bentley of a clear dividing line where the difference between doctrinal and prophetic truth and falsehood was so obvious that people were not being deceived. They were willingly choosing a clear path.

    They choose the lie instead of the truth. They are not interested in the Truth.

    I’ve seen this happening time and again where CLEARLY false doctrine, practices and prophecies are promoted and defended.

    We ALL have a decision to make. Where are our hearts focused?
    Do we have a love of the truth?
    Or do we prefer something else?

    God will honour our choice between the two.

  108. May I share a word given to me by the Lord for His body recently.
    He would say
    I have set my seal upon My virgins, many carry oil, but it is the oil that does not contain divine ingredients. This oil has no sustaining virtues, it is manufactured by the flesh. My word says that My true anointing oil is not to be placed on the flesh, cannot be used by the flesh and many have sought to use this oil without paying the true price. The have paid dirt money and there is no sustaining power in the work of the flesh. This oil in your lamp can only be obtained through the broken and contrite heart. You whose lamp is always aglow have allowed My Spirit to do His continual cutting back of the wick that the flow of oil is always steady and strong. You have not flinched as the circumcision knife has cut away all blackness hidden deep in your soul. You have allowed the Spirit of burning to do His work and you are a sweet smell in My nostrils. As My servant Abraham offered up His son as a burning sacrifice so do I accept you as you place yourself before My burning love.

    As I said to My servant Paul, “For I will show Him how many things he must suffer for My Names’ sake”. All who desire to have their lamps continually full will pay with the laying down of their flesh that they may be raised up in due time to carry forth the anointing of brokennesss that will continually glow in holy splendour as the world becomes darker. Exod.30:22-38.

  109. Desert Rose, May I address your confused state. A growing believer in Christ should truly check out ‘what and who they read or listen to’…for it will always cause confusion. Every author today must be thoroughly researched. A tender growing mind cannot mature with thorns thrown at it.
    As I developed in my Christian growth, I would pray that God take everything Not of him out of my memory and to Protect my search of Him. You see, we all want to get ‘mature’ in the Lord very fast. Impossible. We may gain a lot of surface knowledge, but maturity is not to be. In our infatuation with our new Love, all we want to do is dwell on Him and talk others ears off about Him…and that is ‘good’…what we don’t want to do is read everything written and call that ‘good’. There are as many charletons out there as there are true Christian authors and preachers…Guard your mind and heart against the tares; it will save future confusion and possible heartache later on. God Bless your, dear one.

  110. Daughter of God Aug 16th 2012

    Does this mean that the essential oils are not okay to use? I’ve used many of them but I don’t believe any new age/old lies beliefs. They’re more natural than a lot of things out there, so they seemed safe. Anyone know? Thanks.

  111. Kathleen in WA State Aug 16th 2012

    Desert Rose… A quick internet query on David Herzog will link him to Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner, etc., with many commentaries about his false claims.

    I saw him on television recently and was flabbergasted to hear him say that people who attended his rallies had missing limbs (hands, specifically) actually grow right there. Others who suffered from obesity immediately lost all their fat; bald men immediately had a full head of hair. The one that really got me was the people who ended up with gold fillings in their teeth where but a few moments before those fillings had been alloy. (And to think of all the money I have “wasted” on dentistry :)

    Had I not heard him speak with my own ears I’d have labeled this stuff as pure balderdash. Well, I did hear him speak with my own ears and it’s still balderdash!

    There is not one credible source that can certify his audacious claims. If any of these events had actually occurred, you can be sure there would be video, media hype, and medical clamoring to get to him. He’d be sought by every hospital in the nation.

    I would not put any (nada, zilch, zippo) stock in anything he says.


  112. “Daughter of God”, it depends what you use essential oils for and what abilities you expect from them.

    Burning some oils can make a home smell nice and welcoming. Some can offer relief to minor ailments – soothing burns and insect bites, clearing sinuses etc.

    But be wary of extravagant claims about their properties.

  113. Kathleen, I once saw that my alloy fillings had been turned to gold – until I looked again under a different type of light that showed there had in fact been no change.

    How many of those claimed gold teeth have been genuinely confirmed by dentists? I guess the number would be the same as the number of people medically verified to be raised from the dead by Todd Bentley.

  114. Oh dear, more & more rubbish. Come away from it all. Guard your hearts. Sad for Desert Rose, Daughter of God & others caught up in satan’s confusion (hate how spell check want’s to give satan a capital letter). Pray!

  115. Marialyce Aug 16th 2012

    Back in the day, I was a subscriber to the Elijah List. As time went on, I began to find some fatal flaws in how some of the “words” lined up with the real “Word” of God, the Bible.
    Not long after that, I closed my subscription to the Elijah List out, and I never looked back, much less missed it.
    I fully agree with your assessment that the believer must exercise great discernment, prayer, and caution with all of this type of web site.

    Marialyce T. Boudreau
    Nashville, TN

  116. Clay Rooks Aug 16th 2012

    As the scriptures say, in the end times even the elect will be deceived and will adhere to the teachings of demons.

  117. pimpernel Aug 16th 2012

    Good word Kathleen from WA

  118. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 16th 2012

    This is a CHRISTIAN website with articles from CHRISTIAN scientists.

    Wake up.

  119. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 16th 2012
  120. Those Elijah list people with their new age thinking mixed with their Dominion Theology are prime candidates for the deception of the U.N. new world order and their humanistic new age occult one word religion.
    They would make Oprah Winfrey’s head spin.
    Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

  121. les, they are not candidates for deception – they have well and truly chosen the lie already.

  122. Desert Rose Aug 16th 2012

    what do you guys think of Sid Roth he does the show Its Supernatural?? This is where we see alot of this..

  123. Kathleen in WA State Aug 16th 2012

    Desert Rose … It was on Sid Roth’s show that I viewed/heard David Herzog (as I refer to above). I don’t know about Sid Roth. I’ve not really vetted his views or heard much about him. However, the fact that he gives a platform for the Herzogs of the world does give me pause. Thus I don’t choose to view his program or support his program.

  124. Gostaria muito que vessem isso:

  125. Anointing oil; To use when praying the prayer of faith.
    James 5:14

    Anointing oil; To anoint someone as a leader
    EXAMPLE: King David.

    The focus is to be on Christ, not anointing oil.

  126. pimpernel Aug 16th 2012

    What do New Zealand people think of the Manifest Presence Conference with Bill Johnson??

  127. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    amen onesimus tim and philip k – amen and amen – you both speak the truth.

  128. Daughter of God Aug 16th 2012

    Clay, the Scriptures say “IF it were possible, even the elect would be deceived” but notice the word “if”. God will not allow His children to be deceived. We cannot do any of this on our own. It’s all because of Him, so then, our not being deceived is also of Him.

    Goo, I’m not caught up in satan’s deception. God created the plants for the oils. I use them rather than medications, just like I attempt to eat a healthy diet.

  129. Andrew Aug 16th 2012

    Pimpernel – Bill Johnson says some good things, but he is deeply into this “false anointing”

    I would stay well clear.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom.

  130. pimpernel Aug 16th 2012

    Thanks Andrew. I find the “false annointing ” makes it very hard to read the Bible. There’s been some at a church I’ve been to, and my son is into this church too.


  131. This is the kind of thing that happens when Biblical discernment isn’t taught or studied in our local Church. The Scriptures are enough people, 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Pastors need to wake up and warn their flocks about this Gnew-Age Gnostic Gnonsense.

  132. pimpernel Aug 16th 2012

    Very true Bart. If we knew our Bibles that would be enough!!

  133. Bill Fawcett Aug 16th 2012

    “It can be scientifically documented that everything has either positive or negative frequencies.”

    “It can ve scientifically documented that there is no such thing as a “negative frequency.”

    This should be the end of the discussion. It is beyond bizarre.

  134. obeytheHolySpirit Aug 16th 2012

    The Pharisees knew the Old Testament “way better” than you or I… told them of their coming Messiah.

    Didn’t seem to do them much good.

    They couldn’t even recognize their Messiah when He was standing right in front of them.

    It is happening again.

  135. The Pharisees searched the scriptures because they thought eternal life was contained in the scriptures themselves.

    Jesus did NOT rebuke them for knowing the scriptures or searching the scriptures.

    He rebuked them for missing WHAT the scriptures were actually saying and to WHOM they were pointing.

    Just like today people were missing what the scriptures SAID – because they prefered to look for and “find” meaning in scripture that was not there and was not intended. They preferred to re-interpret scripture instead of accepting its clear intended meaning.

    These days many people prefer to allow others to do the re-interpretation and will blindly follow their chosen leader into the pit.

    These days the “leaders” even put aside scripture and follow other philosophies in the name of Jesus – but a different Jesus to the one who is the Word made flesh. They follow a different Christ, an alternative or anti-christ, just like the one followed by the Elijah list with the twisted beliefs shown in the opening article.

  136. obeytheHolySpirit Aug 16th 2012

    Glad you agree.

    Its happening again.

  137. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 16th 2012

    Bill Fawcett….your high school physics class has been blown out of the water ……probably for years.

    Ever hear of a Black Hole?

  138. Desert Rose Aug 16th 2012

    Has anyone here ever been to any of ruth heflin services? what do you think of her? There are some people from her ministry that minister here…

  139. Desert Rose Aug 16th 2012

    Thankyou Kathleen for your imput, you also must have watched the same show on David Herzog as I did. My first experience with all of the supernatural stuff going on was of course how exciting at first but than after awhile the thoughts that came to me was why is there no truth preached in these churches and that is when I backed away….

  140. @ Bill Fawcett,

    You said “It can be scientifically documented that there is no such thing as a “negative frequency.”

    That’s not strictly true, which is why I avoided commenting on this subject. Negative frequencies are used in science (google the term) and it’s all far too complicated to discuss here.

    However, the statements from Kari that “It can be scientifically documented that everything has either positive or negative frequencies” and “coffee has a negative frequency” are just meaningless nonsense, expressing a pagan worldview.

  141. Averyl Aug 16th 2012

    debylynne – Can you, or anyone else, please spell it out for me the deception in Rick Warren’s book “The Purpose Driven Life”?

    My discernment must be failing me!
    I truly need to know as my daughter is reading this book now.

  142. @ Onesimus (Tim),

    Regarding your gold teeth experience – I have read a lot of what has been written (here and elsewhere) about charismatic (and pentecostal) meetings and the general conclusion seems to be that such meetings have a hypnotic effect on the congregation. When hypnotised, people’s perceptions of reality are distorted and they are suggestible ie able to be manipulated by the preacher. I think this provides a perfect explanation for the gold teeth phenomenon. People either forget they’ve had a gold tooth/crown/filling and believe it’s just miraculously appeared, or else believe that they have one when they actually don’t. It’s all deception and mind control and to be avoided at all costs.

  143. Andrew Aug 16th 2012

    Gold teeth are the least of our worries.


  144. Rollan McCleary Aug 16th 2012

    There’s a way of summarizing, and judging this whole matter succinctly. Earlier today I wrote hoping something I’d offered wouldn’t be censored out. Happily it wasn’t but it has been ignored. OK Truth often is. But here’s the answer to this whole debate straight from those stars which the Bible tells us God names (Ps 147) and those heavens which utter knowledge (Ps 19), a wisdom not being heard due to false ideas the Bible forbids “astrology”….

    On the morning Christianity was founded in late May 30 AD the asteroid Charis (Grace) for any charismata was rising conjunct Messiah and Jesus and other relevant factors I needn’t go into.

    When the Toronto Blessing was launched in January ’94 Charis was instead conjunct Lucifer. That in itself is perhaps enough said – we recall Lucifer is the devil as light! But beyond this Andrew is right though he may not care to admit that in turn I am. Toronto has indeed offered something like his kundalini. This is represented at the movement’s foundation by asteroid Samadhi (a state of mystic elevation in Hinduism) conjunct Hilaritas (bliss as laughter at Toronto). What isn’t a laughing matter is how much believers ignore what God expressly intends them to know.

  145. Graham P Aug 16th 2012

    Sid Roth has his own programmes on so called christian tv channels such as Revelation TV, DayStar TV, and so forth. He acclaimed to be a prophet hence his broadcasts. These tv channels have been questioned about his false prophecies but they refuse to answer with an excuse is that they serve the “broad church.”
    Morris Cerullo is another so called prophet and is supposed to be anointed by God. But to listen and read what God is saying through him, Inspiration TV station which is run by the Cerullo family, viewers and enquirers are invited to purchase cds, dvds, and books wriiten by Morris Cerillo to find out what God is saying through this (false and ungodly) prophet. Also to hear what is God saying to the nation of America christians are invited to book and attend his conferences where his guest speakers have been Benny Hinn, John Magee, Reinhard Bonnke, Mike Murdock, and the likes of the Word of Faith Movement and Charismatic Movement.
    I have viewed Revelation TV and its programmes. Jesse Duplantis, John Magee, Joyce Meyer, Sid Roth and so forth. appear regularly and with them appearing on other channels such as the God TV.
    So who pays the pied piper to play his tunes?
    The question has been raised on a pervious comment about are there true prophets in the christian church? I would say NO but in the Body of Christ I would say YES!
    True prophets don’t set themselves up to have luxurious lifestyles, have personal jets, have their own business in selling their prophetic utterances on cd, dvds and books. True prophets don’t make a name of themselves by promoting their ministries as invited guests at gatherings. meetings or staged mananged conferences which people have to pay to go to.
    True prophets are being used in the midst of the Body of Christ and speak when instructed by Almighty God. They are spirit filled born again christians who do not allow occult practices or fads to back up their utterances as coming from God. Neither do they abuse the gifts of the Holy Ghost.
    They are ordinary brethren listening to the voice of God, come and go, and share His message without self glorification and attainment.
    And finally – when the WoF and Charismatic leaderships are engrossed in promoting this world wide revival which they keep talking about saying for years that it is upon us, the only revival can be envisaged is when His people have been taken home to be with the Lord are those who are left behind have to make a decision in either accepting the Mark of the Beast or refusing it. For this prophecy will determine who are His or not during the Great Tribulation.
    Care to share or say that I should shut up because God is doing something new for the christian church for the 21st century!!!!!!!

  146. Ibelieve Aug 16th 2012

    Again we see in II Corinthians:

    But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

    Paul dealt with this other gospel and another Jesus in the beginning of the NT church.

    Their end will be according to their works:

    13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

    We are witnesses to what the Bible says will happen in these last days.

    I think the shock is to see other Christians caught up in all this delusion when we have so many scriptures warning that these things will take place.

  147. samuel Aug 16th 2012

    One of the most tragic thing i see is,very unbiblical missionaries are coming to my country nepal promoting signs and wonder, werid menifestations and calling it revival…
    my prayer is that God will protect his sheeps from the wolves

  148. Foolhardy Fred Aug 16th 2012

    Hello Averyl,

    There are many critiques of Purpose Driven material by Rick Warren.

    May I suggest articles such as the one found at
    and/or the book

    “Deceived on Purpose” by Warren Smith.

  149. Matt W Aug 16th 2012

    AMEN!! What junk and trash the so called church is in. Even in the old days Jesus said he that has ears to hear let him hear, so its obvious some hear and some dont.

    God Bless

  150. Wow! I agree that is scary to be teaching that prayer and “healing” oils need to be put together for a so-called higher frequency. When did prayer become NOT enough?!?!

    I don’t have a problem with essential oils though, God did give us the earth and the oils have health benefits. But I don’t believe they have “healing” – God is the only one with the power to heal. If there was “healing” in those oils, then why didn’t Jesus use an oil to bring Lazarus out of the tomb instead of speaking the power forth?!


  151. Is this ever eye opening!!!
    1 year ago one of my family members told me about Andrew and this week we just ordered a few of his books.
    Great word Andrew!! I am using your material to take to a prayer group this week because we have been instructed to use salt and pepper to anoint our home and then watch and see what God does. (Witchcraft–Voodoo).
    We are taking the books by Andrew Strom along with a faithful witness. Most importantly, 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
    Jeremiah 33:3 says, Call unto ME and I will answer you and show you the great and mighty things that you DO NOT know. The Holy Spirit leads us into ALL TRUTH!!
    I praise God for using you Andrew and to “see what God does.” Thank you Again Andrew…be blessed :)

  152. L. Alex Smith Aug 16th 2012

    Psalm 51:7 “Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.”
    Exodus 12:22 Hyssop was used to strike or sprinkle the lintels of the door with blood, part of the original Passover ritual commanded by God, symbolic of the Blood of Jesus over the “doorway to our hearts”. Hyssop is a small plant with white blossoms: used as a sprinkling device. White symbolises purity, such as in Revelation 19:8 where fine white linen is the righteousness of saints (metaphor). Leviticus 14:1-7 describes the priestly ritual for confirming that a leper has been healed of his leprosy (this Jesus commanded the ten lepers to go do in the Gospels). In v. 6 the priest is to take one of two birds, cedar wood, scarlet, and hyssop, and dip them in the blood of the other bird (that had been killed in sacrifice). Numbers 19 the entire chapter is devoted to the ritual of a National sacrifice, that of the Red Heifer. (Recently they thought that they had the first red heifer to be born in Israel in 2,000 years—but on close examination it had a blemish, rendering it unfit for sacrifice.) In v. 6 this utilises the same three substances as in Leviticus 14. In v. 18 the hyssop is used as a sprinkling device, again similar to the Exodus Passover ritual. In none of these cases was hyssop used as any kind of internal medication, nor was it used as a topical solution of essential oil—just a piece of plant, held in the hand.
    In the first paragraph of the “Quantum Change” by Kari Browning, that is quoted here, everything (regarding Einstein) is accurate, up until the last sentence, “Every word and every thought carries a certain vibrational frequency”. Unless you are monitoring brain waves in an MRI, there are no “frequencies” involved. And even then, they aren’t consistent. The next paragraph (about frequencies) is not “New Age” as much as it is pseudo-scientific Rubbish! What is the definition of a “positive” or a “negative” frequency? A Sine wave has peaks and troughs undulating along a base line; the frequency is how often these occur based on a measurement, such as a second. They CAN’T be “positive” or “negative”—merely higher frequency or lower…more oscillations per second, or less. Foods having them…? Coffee having a “negative” frequency? O NO! I just acquired a wonderful combination Drip-coffee/Espresso/Latte machine from a dear friend (over £100 value—he never used it). I thought it was a Blessing from God. According to this, I must have been mistaken.
    “God provided a way to raise our frequencies using essential oils.” First, do we as a composite whole being HAVE a “frequency”—and furthermore, why should it be “raised” (assuming such a ridiculous notion did exist)? Who is to say that the “frequency at which I vibrate” is a “low” one or a “high” one—and why should a “low frequency” be considered bad, worth raising?
    I don’t know about it being “New Age”. What I do know is that people of Kari Browning’s ilk are taking advantage of the low level of education now being assimilated by large numbers of people… that they actually do not know common Physics (the kind one ought to have learnt in High School) that governs our universe. With pseudo-scientific jargon, bold assertions, unproved theories, and slick-sounding appeals to medical wordage, Kari Browning and others like her are horn-swoggling a gullible Christian public. I wonder if she even really knows what the word “Quantum” means—“particle”. Quantum Physics is the study of how energy behaves more like particles than like waves.
    II Timothy 3:13 “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”

  153. rozain Aug 16th 2012

    While I do not support Elijahlist for reasons that I can apply to many other ministries; I believe after studying Judaism and her beliefs on the Mosciah Jesus, that quantum studies (in many areas) are of G-d.

    New age denies the Blood of Jesus, and is as much idolatry as christians who do not believe the Word of G-d or have their idols of denominations or preachers….

    If we see quantum studies through the Blood of Jesus, and His Heart to reconcile us to G-d as being One with Him and us, it will not be difficult to understand that the G-d of the Bible changed frequencies (in human understanding speech) into matter – G-d said let there be light and there was light, it is said in Genesis.

    Think about John 10:35-36 and Proverbs 18:21-24. Words and actions have spiritual results…

  154. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    thank you, foolhardy fred for responding to averyl – i hadn’t been back in here and did not see her question. and i agree, the book by warren smith is very good in exposing what is going on.
    averyl – what it comes down to is simply ‘another gospel, another jesus’ – rick warren is VERY much into putting the focus on worldwide unity – all religions – setting aside the truths of Christianity to ’embrace’ islam for one – i believe this is the origin of the term ‘chrislam’ – an attempt to blend the two – he invites new agers into his church to teach and he sets aside the cross of Jesus Christ so as NOT to offend and on and on and on…..the ‘purpose driven life/church’ is NOT focused on the person of the Lord Jesus Christ at all – at all – and that, in itself should be enough to set off alarms in the heart and mind of believers. the problem is, we get so used to just ‘accepting’ what we are TOLD that we are losing our discernment……i tried to read the purpose driven life several years ago because it was ‘required reading material’ in the church we were in – i could NOT get ‘into it’ – it just BOTHERED me – but, i did not understand WHY……it took a few more years for the LORD to completely open our eyes to what was happening in the body of Christ – anything anything anything that takes the focus OFF the person of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and what HE DID for us at CALVARY is NOT of God and is deception – always the Holy Spirit reveals and glorifies HIM – NOT ‘essential oils’ or ‘electrical currents’ or gold dust or angel feathers or any such thing – OR some ‘other gospel’ that takes the focus OFF and the glory FROM our Lord. those that do and promote these things are NOT of God.
    sorry to have ‘run on’ – having come out of such great deception, i am always extremely grieved by it –
    it is ALL about the Lord Jesus – therein is safety.

  155. debylynne Aug 16th 2012

    men are ALWAYS looking for some ‘deeper knowledge’ in order to feel EXALTED in themselves and superior in some way to those that ‘do not know’…..this is it in a nutshell. when your whole focus is centered on the person of the Lord Jesus Christ and what HE has done – there is NO place for ‘self-exaltation’ – no place to pride – no place for ‘superiority’ – there is only humble amazement at this Wonderful Lord and Savior and the ‘faith as that of a little child’ – trusting HIM. let’s NOT forget the basic difference in Christianity and ‘religion’ – Christianity is about a RELATIONSHIP with a PERSON. religion is about all sorts of THINGS in man trying to ‘lift himself up’ and ‘make himself acceptable’. vanity vanity vanity.

  156. This was sent to me yesterday from a brother in the Lord who is friends with the person who received this here below. It goes right along with what is being said. I cried reading it. I cried because its true. God have mercy upon us all.
    I was given several dreams…. one the apostasy pawned the wedding set. The Lord has been showing me that just like
    being CUT off from the Vine, so to the 5 whom were NOT ready will be shut off/out! No oil, no oil-.
    He than showed me He is no longer focused upon the apostasy but His eyes are upon His BRIDE!

    I will share this, as it should be posted on every false teachers door, every false prophets door,
    every thing that is apart from the Lord our God!
    They have No clue they have been cut off.

    FOR They will say BUT LORD, and He will say DEPART FROM ME FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU!
    There is no need for interpetation, the dream
    speaks Loud and clear!
    I had only a fraction of this dream given last year sometime, however it
    was a boatload full given this time.

    August 3, 2012
    The dream began with a dull yellow pathway, not grass but as in the Wizard of Oz. In the dream I was reminded of the Wizard of Oz. I saw that it was broad and as I watched many were skipping merrily along , all have their dogs
    on leashes. ( Pet doctrines)
    Everyone seemed to be so joyous and happy skipping along.
    I was now in a pure white Semi, with my husband as that is how it came to me in the dream. He dressed in white but I could not look upon Him, the light blinded me and I could feel His righteous anger and it was rising up within Him.
    I dont know how to describe that accurately enough.
    He drove the two front wheels of the white semi across the yellow brick road but when his wheels hit the yellow brick road, It began to crack and the people
    paid no attention. A woman comes up to my side of the window with her dog and says
    how can I get you to be a seventh day adventist? I said , NEVER! For Christ never created all of these denominations, For He has His church and they are built upon the ROCK, solid and sure!
    She looked up at the side of the long white semi trailer and began to
    mock and said, OH! NOW I know you wont change your mind and skipped along as almost smiling, saying Im off to see the wizard and the peeps and the wolves.
    I than looked in the side-view mirror out my right door window and their were big red letters with a flame glowing around them and their was only one word- SEALED.

    Their were more people coming down the yellow brick road and I saw now we were completely driving across the yellow brick road as it was windy but up and down and we went west -east.

    I now saw off in the semi way in the distance but as if close up, a type of huge mansion but castle like, like again in the wizard of Oz. The people were now inside and filing in. They were beckoning Pastors and leaders of all denominations to show them signs and wonders. As I watched their was
    a stage with long like theatre curtains and the people were getting tired of waiting, they started pulling the curtains back and I was astounded at all the leaders, pastors, ,filling up the stage. All having the teeth of wolves, wearing shirts saying everything that was opposite of our Lord Jesus Christ and His True Shepherds. They were all dressed in black attire. The people became sad and disappointed that they were just mere men and women upon the stage.

    As they began to turn and go out, they saw that the yellow brick road had cracked all the way up and caved in, so their was no way of escape. As they began to cry out, the building turned into like rocks and as I watched I now saw the rocks and the trees falling upon the people and the those on stage.

    end of dream

  157. Desert Rose Aug 16th 2012

    @ Tony…. I find what you say about the meetings being hypnotic so true, I was in a meeting when after the worship I am not kidding but everyone in the meeting was asleep, but of course sitting in thier chairs..I thought this was really strange…and of course we seen the gold dust ect. talks of 3rd heaven experiences ect. i believe this must be the deception, scary stuff!!

  158. All of this stuff seems to add to the confusion. Did some of you ever read War on Saints by Jesse penn lewis? Just wondering.

  159. This is definitely new age error that will lead people away from the truth. Not scriptural and a doctrine of demons Paul warned about. “Forbidding to eat certain foods, etc” Prove all things and hold fast to what is good! Many false teachings and doctrines are coming forth to deceive the elect if possible!
    Watch and pray!

  160. My daughter sent me Warren’s book and asked that I read it about six years ago. She has allways asked my advice about spiritual leaders. The first chapter was right on. Into the second chapter I stopped short and said, no, no, he’s clear off base. He is a world religion leader. Yes Christ told us to spread the Gospel around the world, not to join religion from all over the world. I told her my reaction to his book. I was relieved, for she flagged it too.

    Debylynne: I believe you are 100% correct and I thank you for telling it so clearly and simply. There is just one way to Salvation: The Cross…The way to destruction is putting the ‘me’ facter mixed in. God is sufficient; none other will do, period.

  161. debylynne Aug 17th 2012

    thank you, joan w. i’m glad that your daughter has the wisdom to heed you – it is VERY hard when you have those you love that refuse to see what is going on – for all of us that do – we pray on!! it IS His will to bring them out of deception since He desires that NONE should perish and so we KNOW we are praying according to His will and if we ask anything according to His will, the scriptures tell us that we then know that He hears us….WHAT A MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE!!

  162. I have some theological questions as one who drinks filtered coffee. Are paper filter bags able to filter out the negative frequencies? Are they negative, because coffee beans don’t like being roasted? Or, are coffee beans generally negative about most things anyway? Can prayer turn negative coffee beans into positive ones? Is there another marketing opportunity for the Elijah List? Will this advance the kingdom?

  163. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 17th 2012

    There are none so blind then those who will not see.

    God is Light. Light has frequencies. Dark does not.

    Darkness is not about being deceived or twisting the word.


  164. Mary Ann Aug 17th 2012

    Amen Brother John – REPENTANCE!!! Thank you Andrew, the Lord’s blessings be upon you & your ministry.

  165. Yes, debylynne, and I pray fervently that all true Christians realize what a mighty God we serve! I have a short illustration of what a squirrly mind human beings have, even born again Christians, I’m embarrassed to say.

    We had a Church Care meeting to watch a TV special about God’s miracles through the centuries. This one was focused on Moses parting the sea. It was very interesting and well produced. When it was over, our group got very excited…Instead of appreciating the miracle that had just been shown, the men in our group started focusing in on ‘How it could have actually happened science-wise, instead of it being a miracle of God’. They were more interested in the science of it all, period! I’ve never forgotten that. How man, us, can never fully trust God at His Word…If we can’t wrap our mind around it, there’s gotta be more.. .oh that devilish trickly mind of man. God chose never to explain His mircales, He just Did Them. Yes what an Awesome God we serve!!

  166. a farmer Aug 17th 2012

    Sounds like Elijah List has fallen into the error of Balaam:
    What ELSE will the Lord say?

    The first Word wasn’t ENOUGH!

  167. Usually for the past few years I have supported most of what this Ministry has written and highlighted as error in the ‘church’. However I now read an article branding ‘frequency therapy’ as New Age and totally against Gods written word.
    I personally believe that Satan is using the pharmaceutical industry and food industry to suppress Natural Healing methods and in so doing selling death dealing ‘chemicals’ to mankind.
    The huge ‘Cola’ companies produce utter garbage, loaded with zero nutrition and sugars that are causing obesity and many health problems. Many Christians stuff their stomachs with Mc Burger King rubbish and drink Cola with everything instead of clean fresh water, then attend ‘Healing Ministries’ hoping that the Lord Jesus Christ will heal them. No Ministry leader ever tells these people to change their eating and drinking habits…in fact these people are very under nourished because of the Sugar fed empty calorific content of processed ‘dead’ foods.
    The Bible speaks about the ‘Herbs of the field and leaves of the trees for healing’ Revelation 21 and many other places. All of the herbs and plants have resonant frequencies.
    We are living in a polluted World that has DANGEROUS Electro Magnetic ‘frequencies’ all around us causing ‘HARM’ to our physical and emotional being. Those on here who have commented that all this is New Age rubbish do not know any of the facts about these things, because big Pharma and the FDA has suppressed the work of Dr Royal Rife and Dr Hulda Clarke who used frequencies to heal many serious conditions. And yet the same Christians who call these treatments New Age will submit to hospitals use of MRI scans and other ‘frequency methods’ in order to diagnose their condition. These technologies were developed from the same research carried out by experts in electro-magnetic ‘energies’ and yet do you condemn these designers as Occult?
    Everything on this planet has a resonant frequency except for lead. Quartz Crystals are so precise that they are used in watches and other devices because of their resonant frequency.
    All bacteria, parasites, virus and fungi have colour and that means they resonate because colour is ‘resonant frequency’. This is fact and taught by Bio-logy Professors in Universities.
    Those who denounce the use of Positive and Negative energy, are actually speaking against proven fact. We have a North Pole and a South Pole, created by our Lord…Positive and Negative magnetic energy was proven by Schumann in 1954 and proves that life on Earth is dependent on MAGNETIC FREQUENCY or ENERGY
    “ In 1954 Schumann and König reported on their discovery of naturally occurring electromagnetic pulsations on the Earth. Schumann resonances are natural waves excited by lightning strikes in the cavity between the Earth’s surface and the ionosphere. In essence, lightning pumps energy into the earth-atmosphere cavity, and causes it to vibrate or resonate at extremely low frequencies. The electromagnetic waves created by lightning travel around the Earth at the speed of light, reflecting from the ionosphere to earth and back again in cyclical fashion. These waves circumnavigate the globe an average of 7.83 times per second. This frequency correlates with the average frequency of alpha brain waves in human beings”.
    I have been studying frequencies use in Natural Healing for many years and have known about Schumann Waves since the mid-90s. Astronauts in the US were getting sick in space and had to go into ‘decontamination chambers’, until NASA discovered that the cause was that humans had left the Magnetic Frequency of the Earth and so they built Schumann wave generators into the space capsules and that solved the problem of their sickness. Hospitals and Clinics around the World use TENS machines, which are basically low power frequency generators and they numb pain and give people a lot of relief instead of using man made drugs that poison the Liver and Kidney’s
    Our bodies function on Positive and Negative energy and it is known as Ph levels…if we are too Acid we get Sick, if we are to Alkaline we get sick…these are FACTS and we cannot say people have not enough faith and that is why they do not get healed…in Jesus day…people were not exposed to ’plastic’ food and drink and Jesus just healed them. Of course we still get old and die, because we are still suffering from the Sin of Adam, even though we have been redeemed by the blood of Yeshua. .
    I find it very odd how you focus on subjects such as this, whilst the real New Age/ New Order advocates get on with teaching that there is NO ONE TRUE GOD and that EVOLUTION is proven fact and the Christian schools in the UK and other EU countries can no longer teach Creation from the Bible. I accept that the Creation account in God’s word is fact and the evolution theory is a Satanic lie from the pit of Hell and yet many ‘Christians’ go along with the ‘big bang’ theory or the ‘Gap theory’ in order to try and explain how God created all things. He created everything by his Word…(Spoken Words create frequencies) and later the Word was manifest as Flesh…John 1 tells us …the WORD became flesh, ‘physical form’.
    Also you never speak out against the pollution of Rick Warren and his New Age Purpose driven drivel and yet Millions are being sucked into his Mind Control systems…and believe me I know what that is…as I was liberated from the Watchtower Religion (Jehovah’s Witnesses) after 49 years. They had a book called ‘Life does have a PURPOSE’ and they are a renegade religion that keeps people away from the real Yeshua and his precious blood.
    Some Scriptures about anointing Oils
    Psalm 45:7 “Therefore God, Your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions.

    Proverbs 27:9 “Perfume and oil bring joy to the heart, and the pleasantness of a friend springs from their heartfelt advice.”

    Hebrews 1:9 “You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

    Isaiah 61: ..”to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair.”

    These Bible passages all have one thing in common…they refer to anointing oils (essential oils) as a means to help with joy, gladness, and rejoicing. Our physical state has a lot to do with our emotional state. They reach the limbic system of the brain that stores our emotions, and they are able to release the negative energy and bring in positive thoughts and emotions. Fragrant Oils and Colours can change emotions and either have a positive or negative effect on the person, just the same as the many frequency notes of music.
    Obviously we all need to be careful what we get involved with, but just because NON Christians practice certain things, it does not mean that what they practice is always occult. The Baal worshippers in Elijah’s day offered up animals on an altar, then Elijah offered up animals on an altar…so the practice was not wrong…it was the one that the worship was directed to that mattered.
    Many centuries ago, so called Christians put people to death for daring to say that the Earth was round…and yet the Bible stated this fact 1000s of years ago.

    Agape David

  168. pimpernel – you asked: “What do New Zealand people think of the Manifest Presence Conference with Bill Johnson??”


    I was asked to listen to online audio sermons building up to the above ‘conference’ – they were to do with a ‘positive view’ of Revelation (or End times).

    The speaker denies any end time ‘tribulation’, and denies a physical ‘son of perdition’ (antichrist figure), believing that these events are already fulfilled in the past (70AD). There was much more in the 4 hours of teaching where the speaker used selected scripture, to support his belief – rather than basing his belief on the truth of all scripture.

    I believe that these 4 sermons over some weeks, were designed to prepare the people for Bill Johnson’s arrival and teaching (in NZ).

    My understanding is that Bill Johnson (from Bethel) may also teach that Christ Jesus our Lord was a created being – thereby denying the deity of Lord Jesus.

    In my opinion, the whole lead up and final conference speaks of Dominionism, Kingdom Now, NAR doctrines – with a flavouring hint of ‘replacement theology’.

    Apostacy, deception and delusion are rife at this time – however for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see, we have been warned by Jesus Himself, and His apostles, their words are recorded in the N.T.

    I agree with others comments here who simply say that we should worship our Creator, not His creation.

    He has placed the bread of life on the bottom shelf where everyone can reach it. :-)

    In Christ Jesus our risen Lord, and in His love,

  169. @ Desert Rose,

    Spot on! In situations like that, is it any wonder people start seeing things? And remember that they think it’s as real as the person next to them so it’s very hard to get them to see sense.

    @ notinthedarkagesanymore,

    Mechanical resonance is a fact. The idea that people, foods, or coffee have a frequency is nonsense (and you won’t find it on wikipedia!). God is light is not a literal statement – it’s a metaphor that enables us to understand something of the nature of God.

  170. a farmer Aug 17th 2012

    Pastor David–

    What you are saying is true about the physical realm. I very much agree with being good stewards of our body, and have prayed for years that the Body of Christ would gain wisdom and be responsible in the care of their bodies, for it greatly affects a person’s mental state and the overall strength of the Body.

    The problem being addressed here is replacing the Gospel with a mixed salvation. Our Redemption, Deliverance, all of that, is only found in our Lord Jesus Christ. THEN He leads from there. I do think there can be a very fine line at times, as with all counterfeits, so we constantly need Wisdom from on high.

    Let me illustrate. I had a severe head injury and spent several years wondering if I would live or die. Without Him there was no hope of being normal again. One day the Lord spoke to me of a new beginning. Long story short, through a series of amazing miracles, I was led to a doctor who did neuro-feedback. The brain is all about frequencies. I’m gaining everyday and have learned SO much along the way.

    Could the Lord have healed me instantaneously? Of course. But He was after much more than that. He was using the whole process to “mold me and make me after His will.”

  171. I am an amateur physicist and an ordained pastor and a spirit filled warrior for Christ. As far as we know every thing in the universe does indeed have a “vibration.” Certainly all of the particles do. Science also teaches us that there are many dimensions more than we can experience directly and that all matter “vibrates” in these dimensions as well. It may be a stretch to believe that entire beings have a single “vibration” but the science does not rule it out. As far as I can tell nothing in the Bible rules this out either. In fact in my direct experience I sense the spiritual realm in a way that might be described as “vibrational.” So why is this a problem? Doesn’t Scripture itself point to things that are greater and more complete than the Scripture itself? I stand with Nicodemus: If it is of Christ then let it happen and dare not stand in the way of what God might do. If not then it will be proven false eventually.

  172. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 17th 2012

    Wow Tony…..according to you then most of the bible is a metaphor.

    Who did Jacob wrestle with? Who did Moses see in the Fire on Mt Sinai? Are you telling us that these are metaphors?

    Then at Pentecost….they really didn’t hear a wind or see flames.

    Some people are so Natural Worldly minded, they are no Heavenly good.

    Haven’t you read in the bible you study so hard that the Kingdom of God is INVISIBLE? That would be SUPERNATURAL…… It is spiritual…..not physical!

    I give an Amen to “a farmer” and “Bob.”

  173. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 17th 2012

    Amen Pastor David Hall for sharing God’s amazing truths in His Kingdom.

  174. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 17th 2012

    Roger perhaps you should past the exact quote from this bill Johnson, instead of hearsay.

    You do know that the Messiah has 2 natures right?

    One Divine….the Christ
    the other a sinless human nature…..Jesus, the Last Adam.

  175. Andrew Aug 17th 2012

    “Vibrations” have been taught in the New Age for decades. “Good vibrations” – ring a bell? Can you remember people sitting under pyramids or using “crystals” for the ‘healing vibrations’?

    Most of this is pseudo-science and New agey-babble.

    And the entire sense of the article is “New Age” to the very core.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom.

  176. Cecily Finn Aug 17th 2012

    Dear Andrew Strom, Thank you for keeping people informed of this kind of thing, which is rampant in the Church, and these kind of people who are really dangerous for gullible and undiscerning Christians.

    The books of Jeremiah and Ezekiel show very clearly how God feels about, and will deal with false prophets, and He certainly does not mince words. I can’t understand how these people have no fear of God. If it were me, I would “exceedingly fear and quake” if I thought for one moment that I had led another Christian astray by giving them a false “word from the Lord”. And yet they carry on blithely year after year, with – proven – false prophecy after false prophecy, and still people flock to hear them. I happened to notice a short while ago when reading Jeremiah 14:14-16, that God says that He will also judge the people who listened to the false prophets! That should make us sit up and take notice. We will be held responsible if we listen to them.

    The lack of discernment,amongst even mature Christians is, quite frankly, appalling. The only sure fire guarantee that we will be able to discern between the false and the true, is to REALLY KNOW GOD. The well known example about those who are taught to tell the difference between real money and counterfeit money is apt here. They never, ever, see or touch any counterfeit; they only study the real thing, so that when the counterfeit is presented to them, they can tell it is false. If we spend enough time seeking to know God, to our maximum capacity in our various stages of maturity in Christ, in His company, in His Word, obeying His Will, then we will come to know what is of Him, and what is not. When we know God well enough, then the counterfeit is obvious, because we can tell that IT IS NOT FROM THE GOD THAT WE KNOW.

    If I might also recommend that we pray consistently for a “love of the truth”, for if we love the truth, we will hate the lie. And it is a prayer that we canj be totaly sure that God will answer.
    In 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 the Lord warns that if we do not desire a love of the truth, then He will give us over to “strong delusion” that we might believe a lie, This scripture alone should generate in us a healthy fear of a Holy God, which is a wonderful thing.

    Cecily Finn

  177. notinthedarkagesanymore Aug 17th 2012

    Satan and his kingdom can only COUNTERFEIT the things of God and His Kingdom.

    Satan cannot create, he does not have that power.

  178. Betoacv Aug 17th 2012

    Brother Strom, undoubtedly an important warning. If you allow it, I would like to publish this entry along with its translation to Spanish in my FB wall.
    God Bless you.

  179. Andrew Aug 17th 2012

    Go ahead, my friend.

    Bless you!


  180. debylynne Aug 17th 2012

    the very last recorded words of the LORD JESUS CHRIST on this earth to His disciples were these in Matthew 28

    18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

    He did NOT say “teaching them to observe all the new cool as of yet unrevealed stuff i will show you someday when your scientific understanding has advanced enough to ‘get it'” nor did He say “teaching them to go back into the Old Covenant and try to pull some ‘new’ really cool stuff out of there to CONFUSE everyone” No, He did NOT.

    He told them simply to make disciples, baptizing them and teaching them to OBSERVE all that He had commanded them – if we, as disciples of Jesus Christ, would simply HEED His Word and DO AS HE HAS SAID – we would not have all this ‘idle time’ to run after all these ‘ear tickling theories’ whether there is any ‘basic validity’ to their presence in creation of not!! we were NOT told to spend our time seeking out these things – we were told do as He said in the above passage…..God is God and this creation is His and it is LITERALLY FILLED with awesome and unexplainable things but they are NOT our focus as followers of Jesus Christ – our FOCUSis supposed to bring souls into the Kingdom of God while loving HIM with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.


  181. Betoacv Aug 17th 2012

    Thank you very much.
    God Bless you!


  182. debylynne Aug 17th 2012

    just to clarify – i do NOT mean that we are not to spend time ‘warning others’ about deception – the Lord Jesus did and we are to do likewise!

    oh, “the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus Christ”
    why can we not simply BELIEVE Him and OBEY Him and REST in what He has done for us…..
    Matthew 11
    28 Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    29 Take My yoke upon you, and learn of ME; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.

    you want true knowledge?? learn OF Him.

  183. chas351 Aug 17th 2012

    can some please explain how these miracles are done in Jesus Name, while Praising and calling on he Name of Jesus, quoting Scriptures from the Bible..

    and yet you say they are “promoting pure “New Age” junk to the Body of Christ. As if “Ekstasis” dancing, portals, gold dust, ‘angel feathers’, fire tunnels and spiritual drunkenness were not enough. Now we have “vibrations”, special ‘frequencies’ and healing oils being promoted in the church.

    I thought new age has nothing to do with Jesus & the Bible??

    Has God actually told anyone here that it is NOT of Him???

    regards healing oils.. how can this not be from God??

    if God gives leaves (herbs) for healing the nations

    Revelation 22:2 KJV
    In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.


    Mark 6:13 KJV
    And they cast out many devils, and anointed with OIL many that were sick, and healed them.

  184. chas351 Aug 17th 2012

    Dear Andrew… you said “I cannot agree, Rod and Terry.

    Not even the tiniest mention of anything like this by Jesus and the apostles.

    And yet very much what “New Agers” teach.

    I’ll give it a miss, thanks.


    Just because its not in the Bible doesnt mean it is not of God.

    How do you explain>>

    Believers doing greater works than Jesus??

    John 14:12 KJV
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do ; because I go unto my Father.

  185. Andrew Aug 17th 2012

    New Age is not “anti-God” very often. Just twists it all.

    They incorporate “Jesus” into their ‘flow’ all the time.

    That is why we need discernment


  186. Notinthedarkagesanymore said:
    “Satan and his kingdom can only COUNTERFEIT the things of God and His Kingdom.
    Satan cannot create, he does not have that power.”

    This is a statement I come across quite frequently but have never yet found in scripture.

    What disturbs me about the statement is that it is usually used to justify some occult practice that has found its way into the church. As if the practice adopted by the church is not occult in origin but is in fact an example of the “godly” original that satan counterfeited.

    That philosophy is a lie and a very dangerous lie.

  187. I am clearly still naive enough to be shocked that so many people (even here) are eager to justify the ideas being promoted by the Elijah list in the article Andrew has written about.

    Blatantly occult/new age without the tiniest bit of scriptural evidence behind them.

  188. booter Aug 17th 2012

    To: everyone who has forgotten, neglected, or disregards the warnings in The Bible = GOD’s Path & the Christian Walk is Very Narrow Indeed!

    Our GOD is A Holy, Righteous and Jealous LORD! HE Will Have No Other gods Befor HIM!

    “For the wages of Sin is Death….” Wages constitutes a legal and binding contract, a just compensation for services/goods rendered,
    so just ask yourself – Who signs your paycheck. All this supernatural foolishness is in direct disobedience to GOD’s Commandments, “people will comment on the Miraculous changes in themselves or people they know = who’ve been touched by these spirits in these meetings.” This has been allowed by GOD and in some cases has been documented and certified as Beyond the Understanding of Known Human Knowledge. This doesn’t necessarily make It of GOD, what these people fail to realize is “that there is always ‘A Price to Pay/There Ain’t No Such Thing as A Free Lunch!”

    Do the research, follow-up on these ‘so-called miracles’ and check out their current physical/spiritual status, what you’ll find is = people who foolishly bought into these meeting-based phenomena have traded one ailment/condition for another, sometimes much worse than their original condition = “out of the frying pan & into the Fire!”

    GOD Bless! to all

  189. Andrew, you are right the the new age isn’t anti-god.

    They also talk a lot of the christ. They even recognise Jesus and include Him in their beliefs.

    But their ideas of God and Jesus have nothing in common with the gospel.

    In the new age all men are divine and need to learn to connect with the god within. New age belief sees Jesus as one man among several who successfully made that connection.

  190. Amen booter!

  191. chas351 Aug 17th 2012

    Dear Booter
    you say” No Such Thing as A Free Lunch”

    thats contradicts > the word ‘freely’ inthe Bible.

    Romans 3:24 KJV
    Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Romans 8:32 KJV
    He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    1 Corinthians 2:12 KJV
    Now we have received , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    Revelation 22:17 KJV
    And the Spirit and the bride say , Come . And let him that heareth say , Come . And let him that is athirst come . And whosoever will , let him take the water of life freely.

  192. Jesus paid the price to make those things freely available. But to obtain freely we must follow Jesus along the narrow way.

    If we choose to follow other things we will NOT freely receive – we will receive the payment due to us: the wages of sin.

  193. booter Aug 17th 2012

    To: chas351 my reference to ‘free/freely/free will’ is to denote the choice of people under the deception of this worldwide movement. It was an illustration of the ‘ultimate price they will pay’ for stepping off the narrow path of a True Christian Walk. These followers of various movements (based within the one/same source) feel the need to ‘paint all Christians with the same broad brush stroke’.

    “There is One GOD-Triune, One Inerrant Holy Bible, One Way to GOD’s Eternal Salvation, and One set of Ten Commandments, anything else is superfluous and counterfeit.” Earlier Andrew in a statement used ‘anti-god’ in my dealings with false prophets I use the term ‘anti-Christians’.

    Others will state “there are many paths/ways to GOD, they are basically right = because in the end Everyone will stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement, I.E. all paths lead to GOD.

    GOD Bless!

  194. chas351 Aug 17th 2012

    Dear Onesimus,

    He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    It doesnt say anything about “to obtain freely we must follow Jesus along the narrow way” that would imply ‘works’ to receive from God, which is not Grace.

    God gives freely to those that ask in faith, according to His Riches & Glory (not according to our works or needs)

    anyway thats getting off the topic…

    I dont have any problems with “dancing, portals, gold dust,
    ‘angel feathers’, fire tunnels and spiritual drunkenness, vibrations & oils being promoted in the church.”.. as long as…

    It’s done in Faith in God, in the Name of Jesus and to His Glory.

    Let God work what miracles He wills… after all we are going to Heaven and will walk on streets of Gold and live in mansions,, so whats a little gold dust down here, the discilples were accused of being drunk by non-believers, oil is used with laying on of hands for healing,,, portals are like a whilrwind that took Elijah to heaven, angels may well have feathers and Jesus flew up to heaven superman style as we will one day also fly in the sky… all scriptural.

  195. debylynne Aug 17th 2012

    John 14:12 KJV
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do ; because I go unto my Father

    the word “greater” here actually means MORE – as in QUANTITY – because the LORD JESUS went to the FATHER – the Holy Spirit was then able to come and dwell in MULTITUDES of believers – and therefore the things that LORD JESUS did, many many many followers are also able to do.

    greater is about quanitity – NOT quality – thereby bringing clarity to the words “because i go unto my Father”

    John 16:7
    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
    John 15:26
    But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
    John 14:26
    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto yo

  196. watchful Aug 17th 2012

    He has told us that knowledge would increase in the time of the end, however by contrast, to enter the kingdom we must become as little children.

    What shall we eat?…What shall we wear? Do not the unbelievers run after these things? Is not life more important than food and the body more important than clothes………we are worth more than many sparrows and lilies of the field, so how much more will He feed and clothe us. As we seek first His righteousness and His kingdom, He will take care of our needs as a Father caring for His children.

    The heavens do declare His glory, night after night the stars do pour forth speech, and it is true that there are plants and leaves etc, that are good for the physical body – and the more that knowledge increases, the more God and His word is proven true – however, we don’t want to continue dependant on these earthly things but to grow more and more in oneness and dependency on our heavenly Father.

    Even the healthiest among us can only live as long as God has decreed, three-score and ten years, or a little longer if we have the strength – all the leaves and oils in the world can’t change that. Life in the body is short and no matter how we try to slice it, man’s life is but a vapour and no amount of earthly knowledge can free us from the curse. Jesus is still the only way, the truth and the LIFE.

    Maybe I’m wrong but I can’t think of a time in history when mankind has seemed so preoccupied with “health and wellness” as now, maybe it’s a byproduct of a narcissistic and wealthy society, I don’t know, but it’s almost as though people know on a deep level somehow that the end IS near and they are afraid and running to and fro looking for ways to keep the grim reaper and away a little longer – there really seems to be an element of fear involved and this too comes from knowledge it seems to me – knowledge of all the things that can and do go wrong with the physical body. So if fear is what results from depending on knowledge then we don’t want to be like the world, but instead to TRUST in Christ.

  197. chas351 Aug 17th 2012

    Dear Debylynne,

    how does that explain>

    Daniel 4:3 KJV
    How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.

    sound like quantity and quality to me.. how can a person limit God in signs and wonders?…

    and Scripture is very clear here>

    Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed . 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will .

    did Jesus or the disciple do that?

    i say ‘we will do Greater Works’. and see Greater Wonders”

    gold dust is nothing! of whats to come from God.

  198. notinthedarkagesanymore

    Roger perhaps you should past the exact quote from this bill Johnson, instead of hearsay.

    You do know that the Messiah has 2 natures right?

    One Divine….the Christ
    the other a sinless human nature…..Jesus, the Last Adam.


    The only comment I can quote is that Bill Johnson (Bethel, Redding,C.A.) believes (as do many others) that Jesus laid aside His divinity to become a mere man – who was then anointed by the Holy Spirit.

    This would make Jesus the same as any other spiritually regenerated, born-again, person – and He wasn’t and still isn’t.

    Jesus remained 100% divine, whilst He was 100% flesh and blood human.

    Scriptures confirm this truth.

    Any teaching denying that Lord Jesus remained 100% divine, whilst He was 100% human, denies His deity. It also falls in line with acceptance of a New Age christ.

  199. chas351 siad:
    It doesnt say anything about “to obtain freely we must follow Jesus along the narrow way” that would imply ‘works’ to receive from God, which is not Grace.
    chas, if you would take time to address the whole revelation of scripture instead of one or two out of context parts of scripture you would find the truth of the situation.

    You would have problems with those things you list IF you put GOD’s revelation ahead of man’s occult diversions.

    Those things can NEVER be done “in Faith in God, in the Name of Jesus and to His Glory” because they have nothing to do with the gospel, Christian life, or the worship of God.

    They are the result of man putting other things in the place of God and His revelation.

    Jesus is THE Way – how do you expect to “obtain freely” by not following Him?
    The idea that following Jesus is “a work” is one of satan’s less subtle lies,

  200. I’ve just read Kevin Kleint’s testimony on the link provided in the very first comment above.


    I couldn’t recommend it enough.

  201. Just to clarify – the link to Kleint’s site is here

    A shortcut to the testimony on pdf is here:

  202. debylynne Aug 17th 2012

    concerning the passage you listed chas – i see no contradiction to what i said – God is not on trial here – His wonders are all around us – no one denies that He is a God of Wonders – but is it His will that we FOCUS on them and ‘run after them’ as all this foolishness ENCOURAGES gullible people to do?? is that what we are to be about in these ‘perilous’ times?? shall we roll around on the floor as someone screams ‘fire’ and slam ourselves into walls thinking we are burning?? as many have done?? or perhaps just roll around laughing hysterically while people die and go to hell?? or, oh yes! let’s sing with the stars in the heavens!! that will bring many sinners to repentance!! is THAT what being a disciple of Jesus Christ is all about?? just looking for the next ‘titilating experience’ so we can live on a perpetual HIGH on all our ‘supernaturl manifestations’?? what are we looking for?? do people truly NEED all these things to BELIEVE?? if so, their faith is worth nothing – less than nothing. enough of this. i will say one more time – ANYTHING THAT CAUSES YOU TO FOCUS ON IT MORE THAN THE PERSON OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS SIN. the end. and THAT is exactly what all this hooplah does – takes the focus OFF the Lord Jesus Christ – makes people think about their next ‘experience’ – their next thrill – as they run here and there craving more – it still all goes back to self-centeredness – thinking they have ‘attained’ to some superior knowledge rather than laying our lives down for HIM. God have mercy.

    not ALL signs and wonders are from God, remember?? consider this passage, please. from the mouth of the LORD.

    Matthew 24
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    25 Behold, I have told you before

    if ‘signs and wonders’ are going to be your ‘measuring rod’ for what is truly of God, you WILL be deceived….

  203. debylynne Aug 17th 2012

    i wanted to say amen to what roger and onesimus tim both had to say – amen and amen.

  204. chas351.
    Compare the signs and wonders in the quote you give from Revelation 11 with those associated with the meaningless frivolity of “portals, gold dust,‘angel feathers’, fire tunnels and spiritual drunkenness”…

    There IS no valid comparison to be made – their origins and purpose are entirely different.

    There is no validity in quoting Rev 11 to support the type of occult beliefs and practices being promoted on the Elijah List.

  205. Andrew Aug 17th 2012

    Just to clarify, I did not say that I was against ‘dancing’ but rather “Ekstasis dancing” which was invented by Patricia King of ‘Extreme Prophetic’.

    Bless you!


  206. Ibelieve Aug 17th 2012

    Onesimus (Tim) Wrote:

    I am clearly still naive enough to be shocked that so many people (even here) are eager to justify the ideas being promoted by the Elijah list in the article Andrew has written about.

    Blatantly occult/new age without the tiniest bit of scriptural evidence behind them.


    I agree totally on this comment.

    Maybe now we all can see why the church is in the condition it is in.

    “Every wind of Doctrine” is breezing through the church world.

    I have heard that witches and wiccans were purposely trying to infiltrate the church of Jesus Christ. Now I wonder if some of that stuff did not have a measure of truth to it.

    Brother Andrew

    I once read where the Lord showed David Wilkerson that eventually nude dancing would be welcome in some churches as a form of worship. I think he saw this in the book he wrote called the “Vision”.

    From reading some of the new age supporting comments I can see where this would be accepted as normal.

    Lord Bless,

  207. The only true healer is our Lord Jesus Christ and he is the ONLY Way the ONLY Truth and the ONLY Life and yet the Pharisee’s said that what he was doing was from Satan…

    We live in Cyprus and were sent here by the Lord as my wife has Visions and Prophetic words from the Lord. She hated Cyprus back in 1995 when we came here for a vacation from England…but in 2006 after a wonderful time at Grapevine in Lincoln UK, she started having Visions of a Med Country, Sandstone coloured buildings and many things such as a tunnel and flowers she had never seen before.

    After a few weeks I was looking at a local paper advertising property in Cyprus…my wife said..’Don’t even thing about it’ however the Lord nudged me to go and when I took home all the brochures Christine said that is what she had seen in the Visions…so we came over and saw everything the Lord had shown her. We sold our house, just before the financial crash and moved over exactly 5 years ago.

    We now run a ‘House of Prayer’ and have led a number of Cypriots to the Lord…my wife does not like very hot weather and yet we are experiencing over 45 degree’s through this month…the Lord gives us POWER beyond what is normal. We left 2 daughters and 5 Grandkids.

    Also our oldest daughter had been diagnosed with Lung Lymphoma back in 2005 as well and she then accepted the Lord into her life and went to a Todd Bentley Concert held in Dudley UK, just before Lakeland…he called up a Woman with Lung cancer in the right lung and our daughter went up for prayer…but actually got worse, so we prayed to break off the curse that had been put on her and she was treated with Natural Medicine…thankfully she is still alive and lived to see her daughter Abigail who was 18 yesterday get a few A levels and loves the Lord.

    We are in the process of writing a book entitled ‘Unlocking the Wombs & Tombs in our lives’ and this talks about cursings and blessings…James spoke about this and that is what we need to be careful about. With the same tongue we curse ‘Negative’ and we can bless ‘Positive’ this is scriptural and is speaking out frequencies of life or death….

    We hardly know anything as mere humans and yet we condemn and preach against anything we do not understand. If the people of the Middle Ages were to see us using mobile phones, they would more than likely call us a witch and burn us at the stake…God bless those wonderful ‘Christians’ who killed many people for using the Herbs of the field.

    Of course we should not focus on health matters and yet many Charismatics put on ‘Healing’ meetings as if that is what it is all about…the Gospel is about REPENTANCE from the Sin of Adam; which is the real cause of sickness and death and accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and saviour as the ONLY way out of condemnation.

    We should not be making a Ministry out of any Healing system, but just use what God has given us to keep us in reasonable health.

    May you all be blessed no matter what you think of these Natural Healing Systems…as for me and my household we will try to keep clear of drugs and cling to our dear Lord Yeshua who gives us peace in these matters.



  208. Foolhardy Fred Aug 17th 2012

    “A time will come when instead of shepherds feeding the sheep,
    the church will have clowns entertaining the goats.”
    – C.H. Spurgeon.

    Surely that time has arrived.

    How prophetic has this comment by Charles Spurgeon proven to be. Committed Bible believing christians everywhere must continue to “hold fast to the traditions we have been taught by word (preaching) or by the epistles of the (original – read genuine) Apostles as instructed and warned by the Apostle Paul.

    No, we are not against anything we do not understand, we as bible believing christians are against things strictly forbidden by the Word of God. We are committed to obeying HIS WORD as the sole basis of faith and morals and the sole means of confirming that any “leading” we may have is in fact of God or from an “unknown” or occultic source. The occult referring to power and experiences from an unknown (demonic) source is strictly forbidden in the Word of God. Any spirit which leads away from The Bible as the Word of God is clearly demonic in origin and MUST be resisted by ALL who will be saved.

    Clearly it is these occultic and New Age influences which have invaded and perverted the “church” so decisively in these last days. Those of us who will be saved at the Last MUST be vigilant to remain faithful to HIS WORD whatever the cost.

  209. Teshuva Aug 17th 2012

    Onesimus writes,
    the meaningless frivolity of “portals, gold dust,‘angel feathers’, fire tunnels and spiritual drunkenness”…

    Meaningless? frivolous?
    Does not the scriptures tell us to get an understanding with our knowledge?
    I cannot call a fire tunnel frivolous, being that I have had a vision of one and the fact that my life of the late has been one fire after the other as if in a kiln of the Almighty.
    When first placed in this kiln, I did not do so well, and was rejected, because the flames and circumstances of my life were extremely hot. I could not find joy or drunkenness as it is referred to in the beginning of this firing to remove the spots and blemishes of my own life.
    Every circumstance would wear on my armor of patience, until it became flame retardant. At those times I would see flames of red and yellow, which are not the hottest of flames. It has been only recently that I have seen the white flames, which are the hottest, and for some reason I am cool/unhurt in the midst of the flames, for this I can only say that behold there must be one as the Son of Man with me.

    As for portals, I have not seen one myself, but my own father in law, who was not a believer, and is going through the stages of dementia described to me of looking out his window nightly of a window in the sky and people coming down. This man had no knowledge of scripture in this way, and did not see these things until he and I were disputing his recent previous lifestyle at the time, and I said wouldn’t you want what the Lord wants to bless you with instead of the garbage you are picking? As I turned around to see his response to my question, because we were walking while talking, I seen this black looking silhouette come out of this man and fly to the back of my property, only to find the next day that my favorite rooster was dead. I was freaked out about this because I had never seen the likes of it. This man caused me grief for about 6 years of his deliverance, which was when the flames would be yellow and red. He would manifest demons of ‘I hate you in a voice that was not like his, and tell me he was going to kill me and so on. But as the flames in my vision would turn white, so was his getting to a place when I told him that I loved him, his response would be ” I am glad someone does”.
    Finally a breakthrough, and yet I now wonder were those portals from God sending angels to protect me, and only he got to see it.
    But yet many call these things frivolous and meaningless??
    May God forgive us of what we mock when we do not understand.

  210. Andrew, I see you are poking your stick into the devil’s religion again. Now the angry hornets are flying around stinging everyone who calls this New Age Christianity wrong.Like I have said before , it is not Christ’s Church.They have gone their own way.

  211. For those who agree that these are New Age deceptions, let us pray for the release of those caught up in them – in the knowledge that any of us can also be deceived in some way or other.

  212. @chas351, you said

    “i say ‘we will do Greater Works’. and see Greater Wonders”

    gold dust is nothing! of whats to come from God.”

    It is right there in front of you but you can NOT see it. The gold dust is NOT gold. It is fake gold dust . Call it fake gold dust from now on because that is what it is. You chase after prophecy but miss even a simple revelation. It is a false sign. The Lord is testing people to see if they will chase after Him or something else.

  213. Desert Rose Aug 17th 2012

    @ Andrew…. You had mentioned someone on your post Prophet Bill Hammon? I have been around those who have been under his ministry and have thought they were really good, What do you think of him? Can you name names of the prophets that you think are real prophets ?????

  214. @Desert Rose – Steve Shultz of the Elijah List sat under Bill Hamon … so you can see the “fruit” of Bill’s ministry right there. Also, back when I worked for Elijah List, I read a couple of Bill’s books on the prophetic and they were “not bad”, in that I didn’t find any grievous errors (that I can remember, it was awhile ago).

    But you must understand that, in Matthew 7, Jesus said you would know the false prophets by their “fruit”, not necessarily their teaching (although some would consider that “fruit”). The reason being is that false prophets take a “snippet” of the Word and twist it to their agenda. This can become so confusing to those of us who are trying to discern.

    Since Steve Shultz and the Elijah List are “fruit” of Bill Hamon’s ministry … I think you can find your answer right there! God bless …..

  215. I basically asked Desert Rose’s question in an earlier posting.

  216. In answer to Kevin Kleint, I would say that “fruit” means the fruits of the Spirit in one’s own life. The fact that Judas turned out to be bad was no reflection of Jesus’ ministry.

  217. Desert Rose Aug 17th 2012

    I have to agree with Mark, we cant say that Bill Hammon is bad because of Steve Shultz, I know others who have been under Bill who have really been a blessing to me. He really works to see people being equipped in the prophetic, but sometimes those working under us can take wrong turns because we all know how decieving the prophetic can be but that isnt Bill Hammons fault…

  218. debylynne Aug 17th 2012

    thank you, tim and foolhardy fred and mark and ibelieve and kevin – thank you – i was feeling rather ‘down’ this morning concerning the condition of the Body of Christ but your comments and insights give me hope and encouragement – several others on here have spoken TRUTH as well – i am grateful for it.

    pastor david hall – i am sorry for your suffering with your daughter and for what happened with todd bentley – it is heart breaking that people turn to these who claim to know Him and come away worse off than before and i DO understand what you are saying about NOT rejecting things simply becaue we do not ‘understand them’ but, brother david – these ‘things’ DO become our focus – it is just the ‘nature of man’ to do so.
    to gain knowledge and understanding OF THE LORD is good and right – but to think we have ‘stumbled’ upon some hidden truth or blessing i believe is wrong. Our Father has given us EVERYTHING WE NEED for life and godliness – He gave it to us when the LORD JESUS died on that cross and we believed in His sacrificial work – that is simple, isn’t it? simple faith and trust in what the LORD has said.

    we can’t explain many things and that causes us to go looking for ‘hidden reasons’ rather than just allow ourselves to ‘rest in His hands’ and trust Him. i know what it is to be on both sides of this and i choose to simply trust Him and BELIEVE what He has said – everything i need is IN HIM and He will carry me. He promised.

  219. Mark and Desert Rose: I agree with you that fruit can represent the “Fruit of the Spirit” and I agree that Judas is not a reflection of Jesus’ ministry, But to narrow it down to that one idea that Fruit=”Fruit of the Spirit” would be fairly shortsighted.

    Jesus Himself said it: A Tree is known by it’s Fruit … what it produces … The Holy Spirit is known by it’s Fruit (what it produces – gentleness, kindness, etc).

    It’s the same thing with false prophets … they are known by what they produce, their offspring, teaching, etc. People listen to their teaching and replicate it in their lives.

    Can teachers produce Good Fruit and Bad Fruit? The Word says:

    Mat 7:18 “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor [can] a bad tree bear good fruit.”

    According to that Word right there, it’s impossible.

    Steve and the Elijah List are fruit of Bill’s ministry.

    So, the question remains, is Judas a “fruit” of Jesus’ ministry? I would say “No”. Jesus taught the Word of God, and Judas willingly rejected it (likely because of greed), betrayed innocent blood and paid the penalty.

  220. Peter Hudson Aug 17th 2012

    To Pastor David Hall
    Please be not deceived by Grapevine Celebration meetings past and present and one taking place in August 2012 in Lincoln.
    Lincoln New Life Church and Ground Level have organising this event for a number of years and select the celebrity speakers who attend.
    It costs a lot of money to attend all of the meetings and the use of the facilities. But any individual (christian or non christian) who wants to go to any one of the meetings is charged an admission fee.
    Its vision for the Humber to the Wash has nothing to do with the Commission given by the Lord Jesus. It is to establish New Life churches in this area. It is part of the Restoration Movement whereby Gerald Coates has influenced the leadership and Stuart Bell of Lincoln New Life and Him have been the best of friends due to the influence of restorationism.
    I was once a member of this well kinown charismatic church. It withdrew from the Assembles of God some time ago. J have been to Grapevine Celebrations but no longer go to its admission fees and those who attend are mainly from New Life churches.
    At one “celebration” meeting, people were invited to jump into the river of God’s blessing without hesitation and to accept that God was doing something new. Meetings both at Grapevine and New Life church meetings embraced the Toronto Blessing and the leadership imparted on one another and other church ministers.
    Guest speakers have had so called visions from God in taking Lincoln for Jesus. Nothing has happened because those following them and New Life leadership, to include New Life pastors, no longer take the Gospel message onto the streets, which again explanations given is that God is doing something new and such action is considered to be obsolete. They expect people to go to them and to their churches/fellowships to have spiritual experience.
    They too have entertained the gold phenomena and to be precise have entertained every wind and doctrine entering the western church, to include the laughing shenanigans instigated by Rodney Howard Browne, Benny Hinn, and company.
    If their approach has been by making prophecies which are supposed to be coming from God, and this goes back many years whereby have not been fulfilled, then this is man made and manufactured, which comments have been made on Andrew Strom’s web site.
    To Teshuva
    When people talk about fire tunnels and people going through them to include various sorts of people, to include those who are supposed to have been baptised in the Holy Spirit, what dangerous practices such as these are. It is like children in the nursary rhyme holding their arms in a line where other children are invited to dance through, chopping off heads at the end of the rhyme.
    This New Age practice which Andrew mentions is yet another warning where many more will follow to deceive those within the christian church and its leadership.
    It is there for all to see but so many people would rather listen to men rather than of Almighty God and to read His word.
    What is being sown will be reaped and already christians are accepting false teachings and want more of prophetic utterances coming from celebrities who claim so much as coming from the Holy Spirit.
    Be warned, for if we don’t take heed, we shall fall into the trap of deception which is taking place in the western church.
    The counterfeit abounds at church meetings with no discernment or christians standing up to be counted saying so.
    Revival? I don’t think so. The call to REPENTANCE – yes – while the Lord may be found!
    I will join in with this proclamation which has already been said…

  221. Peter
    I was once asked to jump into the river as few year ago.
    I was glad that I did not so as the river was polluted and had nothing to do with God’s blessing. Just a spiritual experience of some kind but not of the Holy Spirit. It was man made and manufactured by those speaking on stage.

  222. Stephynia Aug 17th 2012

    As a massage therapist and nurse, I very much understand the ability of essential oils in the healing process, however, the only abaliility that plant or herb has to heal is the innate life of the Creator, that was placed in it. Anytime we become dependent on things, to heal us, or give us special spiritual annointing, we are being deceived! There is one universal healing principle, it is called the blood of Jesus!! If we apply that liberally to ourselves daily, then we wil be healed!

    There is benefit to living a healthly lifestyle, but all things must be governed by the Sprit. It is easy to let anything become just one more religious ritual. If I find myself feeling that I “have” to do something everyday, whether it is excercise, eating, or prayer, I pray and ask God to show me if I am allowing idols to take the place of Him.

  223. Teshuva Aug 18th 2012

    Peter Hudson,
    Could you please elaborate on that which you addressed me with above. I am not sure of a nursery rhyme with beheading etc.

  224. To Peter Hudson, Yes I totally agree with you…I have not been to Grapevine since 2006 and yes I know Stuart Bell and some of the other leaders. We have also been to the New Life Church in Lincoln and I used to attend the leadership conferences when we lived in Wolverhampton…however since 2007 we have lived in Cyprus…a barren and dry land with temperatures of 47 degree’s today on our front porch. We loved the Worship, not the unscriptural Manifest Sons of God, Kingdom Now theology.

    We have been in a battle since living here as even the local ‘Churches’ have embraced Warren and his false Purpose Driven New Age teachings.

    Now we are working with a small fellowship who thankfully have just broken away from another controlling group…New Frontiers…based in Brighton, England.

    The Lord has taken us through a lot of teaching during the past 5 years and is still knocking off the edges.

    Bless you


  225. Teshuva Aug 18th 2012

    Peter, Hudson,
    Not sure if you are busy and so cannot respond at this time, so I will leave you with this.
    If beheading a serpent that liked pornography, alcohol and crack cocaine and all the little things that go with this lifestyle is a bad thing then forgive my post, not that I can behead anything.
    I did not want to be around this man nor did I want to love him but with a surface love of I won’t bother you if you don’t bother me.
    For sure you can see that I needed fire to remove the dross of a surface love and that this man needed to be yanked out of the fire as well, not that I wanted to be a part of it at the time but am thankful to where the Lord has brought him from.

  226. debylynne Aug 18th 2012

    THANK YOU, peter hudson. and very well said, stephynia – you hit the proverbial ‘nail on the head’. there is NOTHING wrong with natual remedies in their place but when they become our focus – THEY become an idol and that goes for any thing other than the PERSON of the Lord Jesus Christ…..whether it is prayer or fasting or natural medicine – anything no matter how GOOD and RIGHT will quickly replace Him as our focus if we are not careful – it is simply the way human beings are – GOOD things will replace the BEST thing – our RELATIONSHIP with Our God. ESPECIALLY when they are things that make us feel GOOD and SPECIAL and MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE than somone else – ESPECIALLY when ‘self righteousness’ has the chance to enter in because after all, WE ARE DOING ALL THESE WONDERFUL SPIRITUAL THINGS AND OTHERS ARE NOT! we are WISER and more ENLIGHTENED – God help us.

    in the end, it will always be about CHRIST or SELF as our God. these charlatans give people something they WANT – self exhaltation – and that is why they refuse to hear the truth. remember the Word of God declares this:

    2 Timothy 4

    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    it isn’t ONLY the ‘big bad wolves’ that are responsible – it is those that WANT what they are peddling, as well. may the LORD open their blind eyes in Jesus’ name.

  227. debylynne Aug 18th 2012

    Pastor David Hall
    i will pray for you – may the LORD lead you ever closer to His heart and His will and His true calling on your life and may He bless your family and cause them to be strengthened and healed and restored in all ways. be careful, my brother, what you embrace – it is SAD that we have to be this way – i used to be so trusting – but, no longer. we MUST examine ALL things in light of His Word. amen?? amen.

  228. “…in the end, it will always be about CHRIST or SELF as our God. these charlatans give people something they WANT – self exhaltation – and that is why they refuse to hear the truth.

    Amen debylynne :-)

    The Holy Spirit will always promote Jesus as Lord and the only Messiah of God..

    A false spirit, or spirit of anti-christ, will always promote ‘self’..

    Joshua.24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

  229. I am a Christian who also happens to be a professor of mathematics. I have studied physics to an advanced level. The message on the Elijah List makes absolutely no sense scientifically. It is, on the other hand, exactly the sort of nonsense spouted by the New Age movement.

    The sad fact is, the church is being infiltrated by people who are, either wittingly or unwittingly, deceived by demons. Many church-goers follow them, either because they are not truly Christians themselves, or because they are naive Christians who do not know their Bible well and do not pray enough.

    P.s. I am a charismatic myself. But I take the Bible’s warnings about false teachers, false prophets and deceiving spirits seriously, unlike many people, it seems.

  230. booter Aug 18th 2012

    It has been many months since I have commented on this site, yesterday was the first time in a long time. King Solomon states in the Bible “there is nothing under the sun” as I revisit this site I see the truth in it even more apparent these days since I’ve been absent.

    People are still being deceived by the Heretics, others are still attempting to defend their contrarian position against GOD, and I’m still losing dear friends to this Apostasy. Friends I had counted as solid as any fully-committed a Christian I’ve ever known, are falling at an appalling rate so the numbers within GOD’s ranks continue dwindling daily.

    “There really is nothing new under the sun! (new age = old devil). This wisdom also applies to all the True Believers (remaining), our responsibility is to be The Watchmen on the Walls & spread The Gospel in defense of GOD’s Kingdom. Many of those sitting in today’s Churches have lost the ability/or will to verify the accuracy of the messages against the Light of The Scriptures.”

    I Pray Dear LORD Please Come Soon. GOD Bless

  231. Had a hot chicken madras a few months back. Now that caused some real vibrations.

  232. Why should we be surprized by theses deceptions….The Lord Himself said He was going to send a “strong delusion.” We must keep our hearts right towards Him. The truth about deception is that’s ‘deceptive’ and anyone of us can be caught by it.

  233. debylynne Aug 18th 2012

    thank you, adam, for your insight – it is VERY clear and i appreciate what you shared.
    booter, what you had to say really spoke to me – i lost a few more friends in the last few days due to believing the Word of God above personal opinion…sigh….it is VERY sad and grieves me.
    craig – you are right and paul, you are FUNNY:-)
    thank you one and all for the encouragement i received from God through you – today has been hard – due to the above mentioned ‘loss of friends”. because i have chosen to stand on the Word of God instead of ‘experiences’. but you have ‘eased the burden of my heart’ and i am grateful.

    love in HIM

  234. DeWayne Aug 18th 2012

    In the latest emailing, subject: [revival] A. W. Tozer Writes

    The writing points what the bible teaches, to those Christ calls ‘my sheep’, the subject concerning ‘people led astray’. In those days many not gifted in memory and also unable to read, these relied as needed upon others calling themselves leaders and experts in religion.

    After many of those calling themselves leaders and experts had led many astray, the subject-writing above described some coming out of the woodwork, being simply those (after the fact) appointed by God to give warning.

    About the people, there is always a remnant of God that will see and hear, and a remnant of god that will not, the later called the blind wishing to believe a lie that continue to be led by the blind.

    Those (later after the warning) that verified the warning/s as true, indeed build a sepulchier of conscience, as good as a future people may observe and understand.

    Many then as today desire from the heart a revival, a bringing back to life that near death, however as others have mentioned… I do not see a ‘Great Revival’ supported in scripture of the bible.

    What is more obvious, in both the natural and spiritual, is an “awakening” needed of those led astray. As the word has already gone out to those having eye’s to see and ear’s to hear, I will repeat what I believe the signs of the times show need, “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”

  235. ValleyAnt Aug 18th 2012

    No one eats baking soda by itself or makes it the main ingredient in any baked goods. Instead, baking soda serves a hidden role, adding to the taste of the food or baked goods but remaining (in taste) out of sight and mind. Whoever ate baking soda alone and remarked how good it tasted? But the teachers of these New Age doctrines are doing just that: vibrations, frequencies, energies, auras, dimensions, etc., do exist and are factual (though there are differing opinions on the specifics); however, these are, among Christians, smaller or hidden (‘hidden’ meaning ‘not-to-be-trifled-with’) truths. It is exalting baking soda, ‘the least of all ingredients’, to be as important as or more important than the cake.

    Now, Andrew Strom, regarding the Elijah List and ministers and ministries that promote doctrines that are obviously false even to many unbelievers (eg. ‘once saved always saved’, prosperity gospel, interacting with and worshipping angels, ‘heavenly portals’, etc), I know as an unwitting participant (as all are who were made to participate) that 1.) these doctrines are here to stay and will get worse until the very end of time, and 2.) we who seek God are to make a clean break from all who participate in or practice these false things. The religious spirit (the spirit who is against Christ), though occupying seats in every religion and type of spirituality that seek righteousness, justification, or Heaven outside Christ Himself, sits nowhere else as he sits in Christian churches. I.e. We shouldn’t think the Lord will manifest Himself from among the apostate but will, as in the days He was on earth, manifest Himself from the wilderness, among the humble, and among the hidden. It’s vain to hope that the apostate will simply repent when under such strong delusion. John said to pray for those who sinned but not for those whose sins lead to certain death. In 1Sam. 16:1-2, we see God give Samuel the same admonition regarding the apostate Saul.

    Samuel once hung out with King Saul, having blessed (anointed, chosen) him; but when Saul decided to go his own way, God told Samuel to no longer hope for Saul’s sake, as He’d rejected Saul, but to re-focus all his energies on where the Lord was now working: Israel’s next king, David. If the Lord took you away from the fallen prophetic movement (as He took David away from herding sheep once and for all), was it to intercede for it or to leave it totally alone and not look longingly back like Lot’s wife, hoping for a change in them or to return there perhaps after a change. Warnings against blatantly false doctrines are mostly for babes and the unknowing or the blinded; but I must believe, according as Jesus modeled in rejecting those who rejected Him (the religious leaders) and teaching and discipling those who received Him, that we all make a greater difference in focusing on those God is focused on (“The eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose hearts are loyal to Him”– 2Chron. 16:9) rather than on those He has abandoned.

  236. Thank you debylynne…I would just like to ask all the righteous on this forum if they would take blood either in food or transfusion?

    That is all I want to ask at the moment as many have told us that they do not do anything that is not in the Word…



  237. Peter Hudson Aug 18th 2012

    Teshuva and others;

    I think the nrsery rhyme is Oranges and Lemons:-

    The song is used in a children’s singing game with the same name, in which the players file, in pairs, through an arch made by two of the players (made by having the players face each other, raise their arms over their head, and clasp their partners’ hands). The challenge comes during the final lines:

    Here comes a candle to light you to bed.
    Here comes a chopper to chop off your head.
    (Chip chop, chip chop, the last man’s dead.)

    On the last word, the children forming the arch drop their arms to catch the pair of children currently passing through, who are then “out” and must form another arch next to the existing one. In this way, the series of arches becomes a steadily lengthening tunnel through which each set of two players have to run faster and faster to escape in time.

    I have seen an adaption as christian gatherings whereby the arches are used for people to go through to “catch the fire” of the Spirit whether you may be christian or not. You may notice the many so called ministries using the same termology about catching the fire.

    These are just a few…

    Notice the emphasis here is on FIRE

    See what this false prophet has said who is respected in the charismatic movement …

    There are many in leadership out there influencing the western christian chuch and are associated with each other, especially when attending gatherings and conferences as guest speakers.

    BEWARE, BE WARNED, AND TAKE HEED who are prophecying a world wide revival using terms such as awakening, catch the fire, sow your financial seed to get God’s blessing, receive impartations. etc, etc. There will be more of this to come to deceive people. And there will will many false teachers and prophets involved. That is why the christian church is in turmoil and in disarray.

  238. Teshuva Aug 18th 2012

    Peter Hudson,
    Thank you for filling in all the blanks, and giving a clearer mental picture of what you were talking about.
    Since I do not attend church, I had no idea what you were speaking of at first.
    What I described was not in this fashion, and was very taxing at best.
    All I can say is Praise be to God who now has this man sitting more in his right mind.

  239. Teshuva Aug 18th 2012

    Pastor David Hall,
    My trust is in the fact that the Lord says He is my healer and so I have never entertained the idea of a blood transfusion. As for eating blood in my food, I want my food fully cooked.
    However, what I have been shown of the blood issue, is when we devour one another we have eaten blood of others.
    I have been told of the Lord to kill not in word or deed not even to eat, and since I know that we can eat food of animals then this has to be with the devouring of one another.

  240. To Pastor David Hall, Peter H and others.

    It appears that all of the pre bookings for the Grapevine Celebration in August have closed. If one now wishes to attend any of the organised meetings, you are expected to pay at the entrance providing spaces are available. For this purpose one is expected to sit in “late booking area.” So it is wondered who will be sitting at the front?
    See :-

    Can you remember Chris Bowater who remains a part time worship leader, and consultant with the New Life set up?
    Before reaching retirement age, he wanted to have a sports car, a life time ambition.
    Well, when he retired, people clubbed together to pay for such and he was presented with a sports car at the church retirement do. Rearing to go and where?
    He is still involved with the Humber to the Wash foresight.

    They have now given Grapevine Celebration an upmarket name, and purpose. See this link

    All manufactured, controlled, and man made! – which so many believers have commented on what is going on in the modern western christian church.

  241. debylynne Aug 18th 2012

    dear brother david hall
    i’ve never had to entertain the possibility of a blood transfusion. as for eating blood – no thank you.
    i believe there is much wisdom in the O.T. to be drawn from – as well as prophecies that we are SEEING fulfilled even in our time (and, of course, the multitude that have already BEEN fulfilled) but, i’m about to say something here that may cause controversy – sorry! i don’t spend a great deal of time in the O.T. these days – as i have grown older, i have found the simple truth of the gospel laid out contains so much truth and wisdom and knowledge for growing in the ‘grace and knowledge of the LORD JESUS CHRIST’ that it FILLS my heart and mind……i know some may call this ‘too simplistic’ but i believe EVERYTHING we need and desire TRULY is found in the person of our LORD and my fellowship with Him and HIs Word by His Spirit…..

    i find ENCOURAGEMENT in the lessons found in the O.T. but i do NOT live by it’s ‘rules’ or ‘law’ as it were – for i have found that ‘to love the LORD my God with all my heart soul mind and strength’ and others, also truly DOES sum up EVERYTHING that matters in the Old Covenant – all this running after understanding and participation in what was BEFORE and called OLD for a reason, i do NOT believe is the Lord’s will – i believe for MOST it takes the focus off of Our Jesus and puts it on SELF in trying to ‘attain’ to other things and supposedly ‘deeper’ understanding. Jesus is all we need.

    do i study to show myself approved?? absolutely – but not about ‘numbers or hidden codes or even rituals’ that ended when Jesus Christ BECAME ALL THESE THINGS TO US.

    i am blessed by much in the Old Covenant – i find the health guidelines and rules given FASCINATING because of the revealed wisdom of God in a time when man’s knowledge of science and germs, etc. was ruled by ‘egypts medical books’ which contained such things as putting donkey dung on wounds and MANY died from gangrene – but you go into the Word of the LORD and you find PERFECT medical directions – perfect – things men would NOT begin to understand for hundreds of years!!

    it is TRULY amazing and wonderful the things the loving Father told them AND told them that He would put none of these diseases on them if He heeded His word…….because, of course, they would NOT be subject to them IF they heeded Him. He thought of EVERYTHING – isn’t that WONDERFUL??? isn’t HE wonderful???

    i find walking out the life as a disciple of Jesus Christ to be challenging and rewarding and consuming enough without running after things that have NO bearing on the souls of men and the purpose God has for us while we are in this earth – to preach His Word, to pray for men, to fellowship with Our Father and Our Lord, to be led by His Spirit into ‘works prepared in advance’ for us to do – THOSE are the only ‘works’ that matter – the ones we do out of obedience and love because we KNOW we are accepted in the Beloved – NOT to gain acceptance or try to ‘earn’ our way.

    i’ve rather run on – talking about Him tends to cause me to do that :-) hope i, at least, somewhat answered your question, brother david.

  242. Desert Rose Aug 18th 2012

    I believe if a forum is going to share alot of the false that is happening in our churches it is only right to also share the right. I have asked and have gotten no response on who are the true prophets?? Are there any that are alive today?? If yes than who are they????????????????????????????????????????

  243. Yes, debylynne, your words are so simple and true; so clear to understand about our life in the Lord. It ALL boils down to: Who do you trust, God or man? The Entire issue is Trust and Obey….yes we will make mistakes along the way (sins), but you look to Jesus Christ, who Died for our sins for your source of ‘Life’ always.
    There are Only Two religions in this world dear people, We must choose The way of the Cross or the “I, myself and me” religion. An old song we sang in church back in the 1930’s, “Trust and Obey, there No other way….” .impacted my entire life somewhat and still delights my soul..Yes, Eccl:1-9, “There’s Nothing new under the Sun..And I’m here to understand that!!

  244. Desert Rose, good question. There has been no Prophets since John the Revelator, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit to lead and guide us etc.

  245. I am the The Seed of God.
    Greater works than Christ Do I .

    Smoke that. Read this…

    Without FAITH is impossible to Please God.

    Vibrate on that!!!

    Wake up you religious… babblers who waste time in worthless debate. there are billions bound in misery dead and on their their way 2 damnation Go save them.

  246. debylynne Aug 19th 2012

    foolhardy fred – you are RIGHT!! we do need to be ‘about the Fathers’ business’ – i hope you take your own counsel, brother :-)

    joan w – amen and amen

    dessert rose – looking to the Word of God FIRST, we see this..

    1 Cor. 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    so, if we believe Gods’ Word, we must accept the fact that He has given the gift of ‘prophets’ to the CHURCH and He did not declare that this would ‘end’ with the last of the original apostles – this is not old covenant, but new…..BUT, even as ken1 said, we are to be LED by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us if we are born again and NOT by some ‘prophet’ telling us what the LORD wants.

    all i can determine is that just as there are still ‘apostles’ in the church, there are still ‘prophets’ but these are FUNCTIONS and NOT titles :-/ meaning, as with apostles, i think there are MANY fulfilling this function in the body of Christ but they don’t go around in big cars with the word APOSTLE on their ‘vanity plates’ or as their title….

    as for ‘prophets’ – all i know is that it is there in the new testament, but if i were to have to point to a prophet today?? the last one i WOULD point to might be david wilkerson – things he ‘foretold’ in the 70s are still coming to pass now. i’m NOT saying he WAS – i’m just saying that he is the only one i PERSONALLY felt i would or COULD ‘trust’.

    there may very well be others – none come to mind, though.

    we are to be led by the Lord Himself – if we are His sheep and we hear His voice – that’s what He declared, as we know.

    you know, with ALL these things that have been talked about here – even the ‘original’ topic about ‘frequencies or whatever’ – they are just THAT – THINGS – we are called to relationship with Our God – we don’t run after ‘things’ – we run after HIM.
    ‘draw me after you and we will run together’.

    the DANGER i see is that people are pursuing all these ‘things’ – looking for ‘experiences’ or whatever and in so doing, they LEAVE THEIR FIRST LOVE – they become OBSESSED with the ‘next thing’ and the ‘next thing’ – and they completely lose sight of HIM – the simple love relationship with HIM………i don’t care if they are having all sorts of ‘ooooey gooooey feelings’ when they are participating in this stuff – that is NOT loving HIM. what did Jesus say?
    ‘if you love ME, you will OBEY me’. why is this so hard for us to understand???
    do you remember the lyrics to that old dctalk song – ‘i don’t care what they say, i don’t care what you’ve heard….love love love is a verb’??

    worship is wonderful and i have been overwhelmed by His presence many times – BUT that is not truly where it is ‘at’ – this relationship with Him – it’s about HIS definition of love – about obedience – about being ‘conformed to His image’ and all the vibrations or currents or any other thing they come up with will NOT accomplish that.
    only grace working in us through love – His love, His work, His grace. amen.

  247. debylynne Aug 19th 2012

    one other thing, dear foolhardy fred – we ARE also to be ‘encouraging one another in the faith’ and THAT is what i receive from these discussions – amen?? amen.

  248. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Fred says,
    why do you suppose God specifically said a ten stringed instrument in Psalms 144 ????????? frequency. quantum physics is all about frequency and if the Ph of your Blood is correct your cells operat at the proper frequency it is Science my friends not New Age. do you play a ten stringed instrument if not then you are not obedient and should repent.

    What is your instrument of choice?
    Mine is my heart that is as a harp, and its strings are sometimes strummed and at other times are plucked.
    Aside from that I play the trumpet.

  249. if that is the focus??? amen!!! BUT it is so easy to be distracted unless you strive to enter His Rest Hebrews 3,4

    How much are you aware of the strategic alignment of the demonic army??? (knowing ones enemy)

    anyway…. I am a demon king killer. a samurai, an apostle and a prophet. I tear down and I build up I till the soil and I plant. Jeremiah 1,2 . someone else waters and I seek God for the increase. I am…. also.

    (btw I am not foohardy as that is another personality)

    Becoming one with the Father has strange side effects ;o) Isaiah 28:21 John 5 John 14 and Isaiah 58, 60

    End game Amos 8-9 especially 9-12 of each Choose this day.

  250. a Silver trumpet is awesome

  251. I again with Desert Rose. There is some danger that this site becomes a forum for those who just want to talk down the possibility of prophecy. For example, Ken 1’s response is a plain “cessationist” view that the gifts of the Spirit ceased after the writing of the apostolic record. This is a whole new ball-game, and cannot be the view of Andrew Strom, who has himself given out prophecy.

    Much as I applaud the work that Andrew is doing, there must be other prophets whether they are on the scene or prseently hidden in the caves. We may not like the Elijah List, but let’s not make the mistake of the Elijah made in thinking he was the only one.

    Also, let’s have the humility to think that we too can make mistakes; and that while we may know some things – and even prophesy some things, “we know in part and prophesy in part”. God gives grace to the humble, and is pleased when we pray for people to be restored who may have fallen. We too need the grace of God to keep us safe.

  252. FRED, Jesus is the seed of God, He will not put up with you wanting to take His place. And only Jesus can save us, we can not go save anyone.

  253. See Deut. 12, Exodus 13, Numbers 15

    May the most High Breathe into your life in a brand new way!!!

    King Jesus the mighty Lion of Judah is My Lord!!!

    Who alone is WORTH to Receive all GLORY!!!

  254. Jeff I am the Joint Heir with Jesus the Christ his younger brother and ALSO have the power of attorney. Only the Holy Spirit can call someone to salvation. Jesus is the way. I have the baptism of Fire of the Most High Holy Spirit and as he is SO AM I.
    religious rhetoric will get you nowhere or nothing done.

  255. debylynne Aug 19th 2012

    i did not think of ‘andrew’ in that place of prophet…i think it gets confusing sometimes as to a ‘prophet’ and someone moving in the ‘prophetic’ – they are listed ‘separately’ in the Word of God – not sure – mark, what do you think???

  256. I also play my heart… a love song and / or a war dance


    Wendy M Christie 8-14-12

    “The Lord said, “Those of you who think the enemy has any power, think again and Rejoice for your Redemption draws nigh and the My Truth is upon you even now says the Lord!”

    This is an excerpt from the 2012 Word the Lord gave me…. I felt led to post it today…

    Wendy M Christie 11-11-2011

    The Sound of Unity Among God’s Faithful… The Roar of the Lion of Judah – This SOUND OF UNITY Contains the ROAR of the LION OF JUDAH that Constitutes God’s ORDER in the Earth…

    And the Lord said, “For I have deposited the TRUMP of the ROAR of the LION of JUDAH in the voices of My Faithful and as Gideons Army the Sound (or Vibration) that will come out of your belly, will confuse the enemy and the enemy will turn on himself and kill himself. My ORDER is being Restored in the earth even NOW. Do not fear your enemy, for when I release My Trumpets to Sound the Call, your enemy will become their very own enemy and you will SEE the Salvation of your LORD.”


  257. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    That is funny– I was asking that very question– are you Fred and Foolhearty Fred.

    It is a chrome or silver looking trumpet, and have had a couple of visions with silver trumpets, one of which was a lady in white and golden hair and a beautiful sunburst behind her.

  258. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Ahhh! Just one roar of the Lion!

  259. no I am “fred” only
    silver is the command God gave moses for two silver trumpets

  260. The Lord will not share His Glory with you FRED.You are nothing like who God is and can not do anything like what He does.Being one with God is His way of saving us, it does not give us any power.Jesus is not the one teaching you this garbage.You claim to be equal with The Holy Spirit , no doubt you fell on the floor and now you think you are what He does. New Age lies are keeping you from knowing Jesus.

  261. Jeff I pray for you peace I never fell on the floor I threw myself face down. reverence my friend. I am am one with the Father AND he will sHare all his gLORY wITH ME BECAUSE IF WE ARE ONE HE IS SHARING THE GLORY WITH HIMSELF DUH???

  262. debylynne Aug 19th 2012

    well, i’m CONFUSED – hmmmmm
    why do ‘fred’ and ‘foolhardy fred’ sound so much alike if they are not the same????
    making my head hurt :-/

  263. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    So you have won the Armageddon of your mind.
    Isn’t this where the battle is fought?

  264. John 14 and John 17 some people need to humble themselves and learn something. discipleship means just that….. disciplined. I am a samurai… study to show thyself approved. Numbers 26 the eldest son of Reuben was a tribe of WARRIORS.

  265. Fred… me

    foolhardy fred…. who knows who???

    the mind must be renewed every morning the FIRE must be rekindled every morning.

    Repentance, mercy every morning noon evening

    Deliverance from destruction.

    Worship and Work is the same word in the Hebrew.

  266. I am not being contentious but please can anyone here just name “One Prophet” since John the Revelator. IF? there has been Prophets since John the Revelator surely someone can name just one?

  267. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Yeshua is the true prophet and He is in you.

  268. debylynne Aug 19th 2012

    i stand corrected and i apologize to ‘foolhardy fred’ – i got mixed up. i just went back through the posts and found the ones by f.f. and they are NOT the same and he and ‘fred’ do NOT sound alike – i apologize to both brothers – please forgive me for the ‘mix-up’

  269. debylynne Aug 19th 2012

    and ESPECIALLY let me ask your forgiveness, foolhardy fred, because i addressed you TWICE in above posts when i MEANT to be addressing just plain ‘fred’!!!

    i am sorry and my remarks were NOT meant for you.

    thank you for understanding!!


  270. no problem!!! blessings 2 u!!

  271. ValleyAnt Aug 19th 2012

    I agree with Desert Rose and Mark. It would be good to know who the real prophets and prophetic voices are today. While it’s been easy to know who are false apostles (since a true apostle’s primary characteristic is having a father’s heart or the Father’s heart, a characteristic that’s downright impossible to falsely replicate), it seems harder to know false from true prophets since every known minister (and his followers) today seems to be a prophet and tends to make God look like a moron. I’m wondering and am eager to see what true prophets and the true prophetic look like. Though most true prophets (and ministers) will probably be hidden or/and silent about their call, it still would be edifying to share more about those of them who are known. More ‘good news’ would be edifying. What do you think, Andrew.

    And Ken, the NT only tells us about NT prophets perhaps three or four times. (Philip’s four daughters prophesied, but we don’t know if they were prophets; however, Agabus, Silas, and Judas are named as prophets.) We are told only of twelve apostles with several others added; we are told of maybe one evangelist (Philip); we are told of some teachers in Antioch, but their specific names aren’t specified); and we are told of no pastors by that name but are told of elders (eg. James, John, etc.) and deacons (eg. Stephen and Philip). The Lord, aware of our need or liability to reject or exalt those with titles, kept a short list. This is one reason that though about twenty-five different apostles are mentioned, most of them aren’t called by the name, and some aren’t even named but are called such things as “the brother”. If you want to know true prophets and your heart is right, the Lord will begin to show you.

  272. Teshuva, i know that He is in me and with much respect to you, Jesus is more than a Prophet, He is God.


  273. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Ken 1
    Thank you for your courtesy, but if what you speak is true then why not eat at His table? Forget the words of other people and seek the words of the Lord for your own soul.
    And I mean you no disrespect.

  274. Ken r u a prophet??? why not??? and if not then what???

    I pray you find your calling!!!

    take one hand out from behind the back and find the ten fold ministry (not five add the two scriptures above)

    Psalm 144

  275. The writings of apostles and prophets teach us that our souls can be harmonized with God in even more fantastic ways as our thoughts and the thoughts of God coordinate into one single broadcast frequency and through this harmony of thought, perception, intent, desire and mind everything about you and I as we express ourselves into the world will be transfigured and our face of expression and His face of expression will be one and the same (our image and His image, our likeness and His likeness becoming one and the same image and likeness).

    Here is what The Book of writings says;

    “How rich and enriching is the man…whose greatest delight is in the instruction, direction, and mannerisms of the LORD (He who is the highest of all and the sole cause of all existence), and who meditates in His instructions, directions, and mannerisms day and night.

    He will be like a tree that is planted by the rivers of water that brings forth his fruit continually in every season, and the health of his leaf will not wither, and no matter what he undertakes, it will prosper” (Psalm 1:1-3).

    “Like a watchman on the wall guards the city, watch over your heart (your thoughts, perceptions and the life of your inner man) with the utmost care, for out of your inner man is created and formed every issue of your life” (Proverbs 4:23).

    “And don’t allow your being to be systematized and synchronized with this LoveGod mind 300×168 THE JESUS APPRENTICESHIP: #016present world that you see at this present moment in front of you, but instead be transformed and transfigured within it, changing into an entirely different form through the renovations and remodeling (remolding, reshaping, reforming, remaking) of your mind and subsequently give a live, public demonstration of those good, delightful and delighting, and wholly integrated plans, purposes, choices, delights and pleasures that thrill the heart of God” (Romans 12:2).


    8 I will listen [with expectancy] to what God the Lord will say, for He will speak peace to His people, to His saints (those who are in right standing with Him)—but let them not turn again to [self-confident] folly.

    9 Surely His salvation is near to those who reverently and worshipfully fear Him, [and is ready to be appropriated] that [the manifest presence of God, His] glory may tabernacle and abide in our land.

    10 Mercy and loving-kindness and truth have met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.

    11 Truth shall spring up from the earth, and righteousness shall look down from heaven.

    12 Yes, the Lord will give what is good, and our land will yield its increase.

    13 Righteousness shall go before Him and shall make His footsteps a way in which to walk.

  277. debonnaire Aug 19th 2012

    “Back to the Garden” lifestyles ? Well I don’t know . I know One who has been raised from the dead , but i’ve never met one who lived in Eden.

    299 dollars , shall we have at least sausages with French mustard for that price ? And cheese that smells quite a bit ?

  278. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Fred says,
    and our face of expression and His face of expression will be one and the same

    Interesting since He told me that it will show on their faces and their countenance will change not. Hmm

  279. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Because I said their countenance will change not, you got all that??

  280. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    I had to go back and find the vision I had a little over a year ago. So another hmmm.

    Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:52 AM
    Subject: vision shaking

    Had a vision last night of a couple in a bed. The bed started shaking away from the wall.
    The couple woke up and as they sat up the bed would shake away from the wall.
    This happened again as they braced themselves against the headboard of the bed.
    God is shaking his people out of their sleep.

  281. “show on their face”…”

    paradox…. there are three sides to a coin… they are all very different and all very true.

    which then leads to perspective, perception and paradigm.

    research systems thinking…

  282. I logged off but God made me finish with this p.s.

    Genesis 49 and Duet 33 the tribes of Israel each had a specific blessing and a calling to bring synergy thus the whole was greater than the sum of the parts thus


    contention is the opposite meaning 2+2 = 1 bad!

    anyway the tribes (blessing) have been fractured since Solomon and Jeroboam. The Golden Calves of Jeroboam are coming down. And the blessing is being unified thus the Tabernacle of David is being restored.


    ask me some day about the laws of restoration all that was stolen and /or lost!!!

    its in the Bible look it up

  283. Martin Aug 19th 2012

    Fred, you absolutely need to lock yourself in a room, alone, for a few days and find the real Father of our Lord Jesus. A good place to start is on your face on the floor.

    And NOw. It’s urgent.

    Right now, you’re cracked, and an alien in the company of saints.

    Come back when you’ve found the God of Israel, when you’ve found a living Christ and can testify to a union with Him, and Him alone.

  284. If anyone interested, live streaming conference here:

    Speaking on Daniel – yes I know, an OT prophet, but hey, the words are for today..


    And the Lord said, “The thing that ‘seems’ like an attack and seems bad to you is actually PROMOTION! Oh yes, you are being promoted! Promotion doesn’t feel like promotion in My Kingdom, for your ways are not My ways and your thoughts are not My thoughts. In My Kingdom things ‘seem’ to be the opposite of what you would think, but believe me when I say, I AM is Promoting you even today!” When we are promoted it feels like God has stepped away from us, but He is always there. It can even feel strange to us almost like we can not hear His voice anymore as well. He is asking us to come up to where HE IS… “I am teaching you to come up to My Frequency – come up higher IN Me – where I AM. Yes, you are BEING PROMOTED, for My Namesake and My Glory says the Lord of Hosts.”

    As God is doing what He is doing in the earth and as we go from glory to glory we go from different levels of wisdom, revelation, anointing and understanding and promotion happens as we are enlightened to His truth. Promotion or blessing does not come without adversity. If you read the book of Job you can see a great example of this truth. ARE YOU SOMEOME THAT GOD CAN TRUST WITH THE ANOINTING? These tests and trials, will ‘prove’ us – God already knows who we are and what we will do – He is trying to show you to you…

    We have trained our brains to ‘think’ that if something seems to be ‘going wrong’ (not according to our plan – or not how God told us the end would be), then we must be doing something wrong- but that is one of the many ways that ‘religion’ or ‘tradition’ has been able to lie to us and it can get us to live lives of compromise (whoredom), complacency, mediocrity and convention (conformity). This is a place where we never really get out of the box and we never let God out of the box either. God wants out of the box! I would say that as we step out in faith in obedience to God’s voice (that will always line up with His word and will always take FAITH to do so) – this is the time when we will get the most resistance and it is what I call ‘negative confirmation’.

    Remember that when we step out and do what God is telling us to do, there will be tests. They will keep coming until we pass them. When we see this ‘negative confirmation’ it it there to tell us whether or not we TRULY BELEIVE God on the Step of Faith we just took. Do we truly Believe what God is telling us to do and do we truly Trust in Him regarding what ever it may be that we are being tested on? When we finally step out and do not flinch at the ‘test’ that is before us, this is when we will know that we Truly Believe what He is telling us to do, say, or be. WE just need to Re-condition ourselves to realize that sometimes even Bad IS Good with God! In Truth… It is ALL GOOD with God! Why? Read the scripture below…

    And He searching the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the First-born among many brothers. Romans 8:27-29 MKJV

    There is a process to the test…If we take Job as our example (we can skip the 30 or so chapters of complaining) and we can Humble Ourselves and Worship (turn our FOCUS back to) God alone in the midst of our trial and Step Into that Promotion that God has for us! So, we STOP complaining and start Worshiping Him, IN Spirit and IN Truth and SEE the Promotion that God has intended for us ALL along, become your Reality!

    Copyright © Wendy M Christie 2-6-12

    Go to, to “Subcribe” to my Public Updates…

  286. Martin Aug 19th 2012

    Get on your face before Almighty God, man, while there’s yet time.

    Cease pleading a false prophet’s cause.

  287. 11 Then I saw another beast rising up out of the land [itself]; he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke (roared) like a dragon.

  288. Martin Aug 19th 2012

    I don’t need lessons in Hebrew. I speak it and read it as an Israeli does, unlike you new agers. I also read Greek very well.

    Best advice, for second and last time, flat on the floor, face down, in a locked room and seek ye the face of God.

    Do it!! Now!!

  289. “As surely as the sun sets and night follows, so shall the light of this world be taken. And as a closing door darkens a room, so shall I leave those who remain to all their darkened temples in which they sought to hide themselves. For I know the thoughts of the mind, and I have heard what their hearts have spoken in secret, saying, “Let us hide from The God of Israel and cast off His Word sent to
    us; let us persecute His messengers and cast stones at His prophets, that we may remain at ease in our deceptions. For we shall never be made the fool, nor shall we let any of our words fall to the ground, nor shall we allow any of our works to burn in the Day. Hush now, let us continue in secret and let us hide the truth from the people, concerning our error, lest our congregation depart from us. For we shall continue to wear our pretense as a garment and our false righteousness as a cloak, and we shall wear it well.”

  290. martin you actually said it three times 1,2,3 hmm

  291. 3 Then I heard a mighty voice from the throne and I perceived its distinct words, saying, See! The abode of God is with men, and He will live (encamp, tent) among them; and they shall be His people, and God shall personally be with them and be their God.

    4 God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning) nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away.

    5 And He Who is seated on the throne said, See! I make all things new. Also He said, Record this, for these sayings are faithful (accurate, incorruptible, and trustworthy) and true (genuine).

    6 And He [further] said to me, It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I [Myself] will give water without price from the fountain (springs) of the water of Life.

    7 He who is victorious shall inherit all these things, and I will be God to him and he shall be My son.

    8 But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)—[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death.

  292. Joel 3

  293. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Jeff M,
    Death is your enemy and the last one dealt with.

  294. Teshuva , didn’t The Lord invent death to deal with His enemies, those who refuse to obey Him and do all that He tells them to do (and not do).So if death is my enemy wouldn’t I still be contending with God. My future is in The Father’s hands and He warns me to always do all that He says, or else I will stop knowing Him as who He has revealed Himself to be . I believe in Jesus as Lord and know that all things are His and for Him. The Lord will do anything He wants to do .He will decide who love’s Him by His standard of what love is, and give eternal life to them for His own pleasure .Salvation is all about the Father getting what He wants,which is to be loved in return by those that He loves.It was never for us or for what we need.

  295. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    I meant it as to be carnally minded is death.
    That death is cast into the lake of fire, as it is an enemy to God.

  296. When did The Lord say He would do that? You don’t think He is talking about your thoughts do you? He means people who think and behave that way will die. If you do those things ,God thinks that you hate Him. I know people don’t think it is “that bad” but that is how The Lord see’s it. If Christ is in you those things are put to death now, if they persist it is because you chose to reject Jesus and His work in you.

  297. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Since they are already dead, how can they die. Yeshua said we have to come unto Him to have life, and that we search the scriptures for in them you think you have life, but they testify of Him.
    For me to say that I have not had a carnal thought in my life, i would be a lie.
    My carnal mind has trafficked my spiritual one on occasion.
    Did I willingly do it? Not sure, but am learning not to.
    If all things were removed from you from the beginning, then I can only Praise God for that. As for me I am growing.

  298. If we are both talking about the things in verse 8 from my post above, The Holy Spirit will show you to stop doing it when you try to do it.So it is a daily death of those things. If you live your life doing those things anyway ,knowing it is wrong then you will die the second death(eternal). The Lord will keep you from doing what He hates. But if you think you do not have to do everything He tells you to do, you don’t know Him. Salvation is to know The Father (in a loving way).If you do what The Lord calls sin it will seperate you from Him. You will end up believing that you do not have to do what He says.If your reason to obey Jesus is your own salvation you will never be able to obey.It is about wanting to know Him and have The Lord with you all the time, then you will obey. If you don’t obey He will correct you.It can never be your own strength that keeps you in His will, it is Christ in you.But if you persist in not doing what He says you also stop wanting Jesus with you all the time. I went a long time thinking I did not HAVE TO obey The Lord but it was never anything He told me was true.If you know Him you also know that what He wants is way more important than the other choice , so you do what He says .

  299. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Let me ask you something, and I am not trying to undermine your intelligence here.
    The Lord can test us, and as I was faced with a certain battle, He told me to drink water. That is all He said was drink water.
    What would you do? Be like me at that time and drink regular water? If the answer is yes, then you would be growing too.
    However what He meant was spiritual water/trust Him.
    I found this out by understanding the Jewish text, which put it more into perspective than the English does, but only after the fact. Does that make me reject Him or misunderstand Him, with grace to learn and grow?
    Can a butterfly fly, if they do not exert some strength to come out of their cocoon? The answer is they can not. If someone helps them out of their cocoon, then they die because their wings were not strengthened.
    My transforming of the renewing of my mind has had some bumps along the way, but He has been faithful.
    I reached a point where I would even ask Him what He wanted for dinner. Then I put my hand over my mouth and said, there must be something wrong with you, you just asked the Lord what He wanted for dinner, and I shook my head at what I thought was my own foolishness, until I heard fish– so fish it was.
    As for corrections, I welcome them, because I consider it my judgment, and thus they can be corrected or confessed etc..
    If it is not corrected, then rest assured the tax collector sits in my minds gate until I get it right and am restored to right relationship.
    Nevertheless, no weapon formed against me to include my carnal mind will prosper, and I make declarations of this, and nothing will separate me from the love of God.

  300. Well it sounds like He is calling you to give up everything and follow Jesus. You have the water already if you do that and if you continue in Him.You will not need to go to Him to get some living water, it will flow out of you all the time.So if Jesus tells you to drink water , He means you need Christ in you. From my own past and from what I have seen , most of the church crowd will mistake the call to follow Jesus for the reality of Christ in you.He keeps calling you over and over and you think that is what it is like to know Him.

    If you do everything The Lord tells you to do, then you know that you know Him. If you still think that you do not have to do everything that He says, then at times you believe there is something more important than Jesus.But there is nothing more important than Him, so you don’t remember the revelation of who Jesus is that He gave you.He is above all things.If I see myself not wanting to always do what Jesus wants then I know that I have put myself ahead of God. So if I do not repent and obey, I will end up believing in my own made up version of Jesus as Lord.

    The thing is, do we really love God with the love that He deserves?
    If you can’t say that you will do whatever He wants then you don’t love Him above all things. But He is above all things, and Jesus will show you this when He reveals Himself to you as Savior and Lord.

  301. Teshuva Aug 19th 2012

    Wow, so I tell you that He tells me to drink water and you tell me He is not in me????
    That is just simply amazing!!
    Paul was told by many that the Holy Spirit revealed to them that he should not do certain things and he did them anyway. So this must mean that he did not have Christ in him??? Of course he was imprisoned and a few other things to include stoned to death, if I am not mistaken, which says to me that we suffer the consequences of our mistakes or deliberate actions.
    Brother, you be blessed, I have to go and take another drink from my own cistern.

  302. Water from Jesus is eternal life.It is one way The Lord explains salvation to us, Christ in you is another way to understand it.

    John 4:14

    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    14 But whoever takes a drink of the water that I will give him shall never, no never, be thirsty any more. But the water that I will give him shall become a spring of water welling up (flowing, bubbling) [continually] within him unto (into, for) eternal life.

  303. ValleyAnt Aug 19th 2012

    Mark, you said that God gives Grace to the humble and that we should be willing to pray for those who’ve fallen as we also need the same Grace to stand and not fall. Amen. Gal. 6:1 agrees: “If anyone of you is overtaken in a sin, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, being mindful also of yourselves lest you fall.” Amen. I see some caught in the prophetic pomp and charismatic compromise who really choose the Lord and who will come out of step with those who practice godlessness once they become aware according to God’s Grace. The same Grace that delivers me from error is sufficient to deliver them also.

  304. ValleyAnt Aug 19th 2012

    I meant to say “prophetic pomp and charismatic circumstance”, a play on words :)

  305. Just thought I would comment that staying free from blood is not just an OT law, it is also in Acts 15: 20 and is listed alongside, idolatary, fornication and other detestable things in Gods sight.

    Now since I became BA and looked more into God’s word, I realised that if Christians had blood transfusions for health reasons, who am I to condemn them…these things are up to our conscience. However if it is not written in Gods Word, we have no right to go beyond what is written and start making our own laws as to what is right and acceptable.

    We choose Natural things, stay away from as much chemical contamination as possible, fluoride (terrible toxin) and pray for others and our families that they stay healthy and free from the attacks of the enemy…so bless you all…as James said..out of the mouth come cursings and I am starting to see those traits on here.

    If Chris Bowater asked for a Sports Car, when he retired, that is his problem and he will have to account to his Judge as we all will. I just retired and have a basic pension from the UK and do not recieve any support from any Church or Ministry…we just serve in Cyprus, because the Lord sent us here…and we spend lots of time with people who love the Lord and ones that are getting to know him.

    Agape David

  306. Desert Rose Aug 19th 2012

    @ Ken I dont believe that John the revelator was the last prophet. As some have said on here I also believe that many are just not well known. Dont you believe that David Wilkerson was a true prophet? Many things he has said has come to pass. Scripture teaches us that God has put prophets in the church so we know that they are there…. @ Mark, Yes I agree with you about talking down on the prophetic my only guess for these people is they have never been around people who move in the true prophetic. I have been around the good , bad and ugly.. I have been very blessed by certain people in the prophetic that the words were right on and have really helped me and of course I have seen strange things from other ministries… I have also heard that Satan also likes to immitate, he comes like an angel of light,, and what many people do is throw the baby out with the bath water and we cant do that because God did give these gifts to the church,,And yes I also agree with you about us making mistakes with our gifts because we are learning how to use and be developed in them, in this process we do make mistakes as the men in the bible did too, all though there are many false I do know that there are many who really do love the Lord and I do agree with what Debylynne and others have said on here about yes it is sooooooo important to have the Holy Spirit in us and to really know the word of God so that we will not be decieved.. @ Debylynne, the office of the prophet and people who prophecy are seperate. some people think they are a prophet because they prophecy and that is not true… and I really like something that KathrynKaulman said she said that if the bible says one thing and someone says another thing than what the bible said, that the bible is always right…. Amen?

  307. Desert Rose, i really liked David Wilkerson but David by his own words said he was not a Prophet, he said he was just one of the watchmen on the wall.


  308. I was once in a church where the Pastor introduced a guest speaker from Los Angeles, a woman who ministers to the rich and famous, who was proud to announce that she had recently achieved a black belt in Karate! Everyone clapped and cheered except me – was I the only one with discernment in church that day?

  309. The book of Acts chapter 19 tells us about this

    11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them.

    Maybe some on here would question this practice….healing cloths….obviously this was not something Jesus did or taught and yet Paul the formost of the Apostles allowed this to happen.

    Maybe today it would be regarded as New Age these days….

    Something to reflect on….bless you all


  310. Ibelieve Aug 19th 2012

    Quote: The book of Acts chapter 19 tells us about this

    11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. Unquote

    People were healed by the very shadow of Peter as he walked by is also found in the gospels.

    When something is of the Lord we’ll have that witness, in our spirit that it is of Him.

    At times while setting in a meeting of different ministers I would receive a check in my spirit by the Holy Spirit that something was wrong. Only to find out later the man was promoting strange doctrines that I did not know about at the time.

    Being led by the Spirit of God is what will deliver us in these end times. Knowing His Word and rightly dividing it as well will keep us from all the strange practices coming on the scene.

  311. Ibelieve Aug 19th 2012

    I don’t need lessons in Hebrew. I speak it and read it as an Israeli does, unlike you new agers. I also read Greek very well.

    Sometime in the future I would like to ask you about certain passages in the Greek to see what you think of them.

    Some scriptures I have tried to discuss with others and have not been satisfied by the answers.

    Maybe no one has complete understanding on them but I was curious what the Lord was saying in certain passages.

    Lord Bless

  312. John S Aug 19th 2012

    The sad thing is that so many folk who call themselves, prophets, bishops, and every other title under the sun, have joined the bandwagon in selling prayer hankerchiefs as a method to get attention and to increase organisational finances. They use the word “anointed” by God but the reality is that Almighty God has nothing to do with selling such things.
    It is the same with Jewish prayer shawls by the WoF leadership as another way to make money. They use them with explanations they are “anointed” too.
    Similar methods are used to promote this world wide revival of theirs which is not mentioned in the Word of God, only taken out of content and assumed at their organised meetings.
    One can see this with those on tour using the Bay of the Holy Spirit meetings now televised by God TV.
    All done in the name of Jesus.
    Then for London the same shenanigans for the one off Global Day of Prayer being held at Wembley Stadium.
    Christian artists and associates of the WoF Movement, charismatic leaders, etc are at the helm of this.
    On the web site click on ABOUT and WEMBLEY to find who are involved.
    Kindly look at what Morris Cerullo is upto for August 2012. See this link
    He is organsing the gathering of the clan for his conference 2013. Benny Hinn. Mike Murdock, Reinhard Bonnke, John Haggee have been his guest speakers in the past and all continue to embrace each other and support one another ministries.
    Notice on his web site by clicking onto MINISTRIES, he use of the name of ELIJAH.
    With Andrew starting off the topic of the Elijah List to what happening in the christian church with the use of News Age techniques dressed up to be as of God, is this similar of WoF and the charismatic movement who leaders claim to be the “anointed” ones,and with the misuse of scripture creating false teaching and uttering prophecies, deception have taken hold in the western church big time, and will continue relentlessly even deceiving the elect.
    Praise the Lord that Jesus is coming soon for the Body of Christ.
    Anyone care to comment on my comments?

  313. Amen to what John S has said.
    The delusion will be delusional for many in the End Times and will go from bad to worse.
    Those who proclaim themselves the anointed prophets of God, charismatic bishops, and so forth will want to keep their positions and wealth at all costs. They will turn against those who question their church authority and challenge them with God’s word.
    Does not the Bible prophecy a falling away from the TRUTH rather than their rantings on world wide revivals.
    I hope this song will encourage every one who is following the Lord Jesus Christ, and not these false teachers and prophets. Was sent to me by a christian brother in Christ.

  314. Albert Aug 20th 2012

    btw the above video song is AWESOME!

    also if God Pours out his Spirit on Flesh is it not then a Global Revival???

    We are not to consider anyone or anything according to the Flesh I see lots of FLESH posted here. Hmmm!
    just sayin’

  315. Martin Aug 20th 2012

    Ibelieve, yes, would be pleased to offer an opinion, but please understand, the fact I speak and read Hebrew, and read Greek, doesn’t make me a scholar. I’m simply a speaker and reader, and I have to say here, some of my findings are a little off the wall, yet they do accord with the sense of the passage being looked at.

    Write me, please, [email protected]

    It will be a blessing to offer an opinion, and, please understand, that’s all it is.

  316. debylynne Aug 20th 2012

    desert rose – amen and amen – the Word of God ALWAYS above what anyone has to say!!

    ken1 – brother david DID disclaim himself as a prophet, but i don’t necessarily think that means he WASN’T one – i think it was true humility with him NOT to lay claim to that ‘office’ – but, as i mentioned earlier – the truth is in the FUNCTION – the operation – the doing – NOT the title…..

    most who claim to be ‘prophets’ and ‘apostles’ you find when you examine their lives/ministries that they are NOT. i think sometimes we don’t recognize even ourselves the ‘place’ the LORD has put us – even perhaps, brother david, for he WAS a truly humble man.

    you are EXACTLY right – we HAVE the Holy Spirit and He leads us into ALL truth – and that means, we all know, that when something is NOT true and NOT of the LORD, He not only doesn’t ‘lead’ us into it – He graciously STOPS us. i am HUGELY grateful for the ‘checks’ of the Holy Spirit – i have had them many times and SADLY – my only regrets are the times i did NOT heed His warning.

    john s – you speak the sad truth, brother. amen.

    you know what, brother david hall, i pondered what you said about the ‘hankerchief’ and Paul and i tell you what came to my mind – the Lord Jesus Himself spit on dirt and made mud to put on a blind man’s eyes and he was healed – but do we go around doing that?? it happened and it was real but do we sell ‘anointed spit/dirt’??? not nearly as ‘marketable’ as ‘healing cloths’ – although i’m sure someone has probably TRIED to sell ‘anointed spit/mud’ at some time or other. the thing about the ‘cloths’ DID happen with paul and peter’s shadow did bring healing – these are just the facts and the LORD did put mud on a blind man’s eyes and healed him – these things happened but NONE OF THESE THINGS WERE A PREMISE FOR ONGOING MINISTRY.

    why?? because of what happens even now – are people looking to the LORD or to some ‘thing’ that someone SAYS is anointed or are they are looking to some ‘new activity’ that is supposed to bring them healing/wholeness/prosperity – or are they looking to the LORD JESUS CHRIST??

    what i am trying to say is this

    #1 – if we can ‘package it and sell it’ i don’t believe for one millisecond that it is from God. whether it is ‘anointed cloths’ or ‘anointed oils’ or my latest book on how to ‘get in touch with the healing vibrations or frequencies’ – these things are ALLLLLLL of men and flesh and NOT from God. (and from the pit of hell, as well)

    #2 – at the risk of ‘beating a dead horse’ here – any THING that we look to INSTEAD of the person of the LORD JESUS CHRIST is idolatry and witchcraft and NOT of GOD.

    so, yes, these things ‘happened’ in the Bible times – do we make a ‘god’ out of them – do we turn them into a ‘money making scheme’?? only if you have NO fear of a Holy God.

    Our God hears US – we don’t have to ‘find the key’ – HE IS THE KEY – our belief in and faith in HIM is the KEY. simply because sometimes the answer is ‘no’ or ‘later’ or even ‘my child, you will have to trust ME in this’ we end up running here and there thinking there must be some ‘magic answer’ and we just have to find it and there will ALWAYS be unscrupulous men who will take advantage of people in that kind of place.

    i know this because i have been there – but there are NO answers in that rubbish, no miracles in those lies.

    the only HOPE, the ONLY answers are found in the love of Our Lord, the mercy of Our God and we do NOT have to find some ‘clue or gimmick or special code’ to reach HIM – we do not. if we are born again – ‘in Him we live and move and have our being’ – He is a close as our breath and He is GOOD. He has told us that if ‘we ask anything according to His will, HE HEARS US and if we KNOW that He hears us, then we KNOW that we have what we have asked of Him’ – it is RELATIONSHIP – our relationship with our Lord, Savior, Friend, Healer, Deliverer.

    here it is in a nutshell – it’s IDOLATRY – if you put your faith in ANY OTHER PERSON OR THING – even a seemingly ‘good’ thing than the PERSON AND WORK OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST – you are in idolatry. He did EVERYTHING when He died on the cross – we received EVERYTHING we would ever need for life and godliness through His atoning death – to seek it some other way – to put any other thing in HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE is IDOLATRY.

    does this mean that He will always answer according to OUR will?? no, it does not. we have to be as trusting children and KNOW that He loves us and His Word is true when He declares ‘for i know the plans i have for you saith the LORD’ – they are GOOD plans because He is a GOOD God and all this running to and fro trying to ‘find the key, the hidden answer’ is wrong.

    JESUS CHRIST. period.

  317. Albert Aug 20th 2012

    Yea you are off the wall that’s not an opinion hah aha!!!
    Stay away from the Greek it is perversion.
    Canaanite Phoenician Jezebel the enemy of Christ.

    Psalms 83

    come out of her the western church is defiled!!!

  318. Albert Aug 20th 2012

    Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life BUT…

    He walked up 2 me and said in a very loud Stearn voice “KNOW my Spirit.” so for many many years I have been getting to know the third person of the trinity who works for Jesus. it has been a most interesting journey of discovery. believe me when i tell you the seven Spirits of Christ are Creatures of great mystery. Great Winged Horned War Horses most humble and very terrible!!

    WISDOM is Calling!!!

  319. ValleyAnt Aug 20th 2012

    Desert Rose, I’ve been blessed by true prophetic words myself and think much of my disappointment with the fallen or lacking prophetic today is how far it presently falls from glorifying God who is perfect. (Also, I hate that the prophetic is to be God’s voice and is to call out other needed ministries but is generally so hijacked that God is mute to many and many Christians and non-Christians continue to go without desperately-needed ministries.)

    Ken, David Wilkerson may have been called to be a prophet but preferred the position of a pastor instead. Who knows. I believe that many pastors today are called to other ministries; some don’t know; others are afraid of how people will view them if they were to claim to be ‘better than others'; some know and are waiting for the Lord to move them on; still, others are afraid of the implications of their real calling and hide in the pastoral position which has become the safest ministry of our day.

    Pastor Hall, as Ibelieve said, the Spirit bears witness when something is of Him. The strange miracles we see with the apostles happened because of the Lord’s manifest Presence was with them (yes, He was in Peter’s shadow and the cloths from Paul too), not because the ministers tried to ‘motivate’ God via worship or good deeds, teaching others to ‘do the stuff’ (i.e.supposedly teaching people to ‘walk in the miraculous’), pre-planning, and methodology. The Lord Himself was there WALKING among the apostles which was why many and strange miracles sometimes happened among them. I agree it’s quite a concept for the Lord Himself to walk among a group of Christians, but it’s what true and maturing (and certainly mature) apostolic ministry looks like, fulfilling God’s Word that “nothing is impossible for Lord”. It’s also why Jesus told His disciples it was expedient that He left them so He could walk in more than one place at a time (‘among’ or with and around them and not just beside them), etc.

    John S, what you said is true. Deception will keep getting worse. Regarding WoF and those in agreement with them, thank God Jesus is coming soon; but He won’t come until He has enforced His victory on the Cross here (on earth) in the Church. When certain ministries are missing among Christians, we don’t mind scurrying up into the skies and leaving this world behind; but when those ministries ‘return’, who are still greatly opposed by the enemy who doesn’t want Christ’s victory making a mockery of him again, our mindset will go from desiring to ‘get out alive’ to realizing that the enemy is an unwanted squatter on this planet and is the one who needs to be ejected and not ourselves. satan’s an intruder (from the beginning), and this will always be our planet (even after the end) when it’s ‘re-formed’, because “the earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof…”

  320. Ayelyah Aug 20th 2012

    The church has been infiltrated and thoroughly compromised….while the church sleeps our nations have been hijacked, slowly and systematically, while the trusting population slept, while the churches slept, every facet of your existence has been infiltrated by an extremely highly organized global criminal cabal that is operating efficiently in every city and town in the US attached to paramilitary and mobilizing now. This is REAL
    see interview with Svali

  321. Martin Aug 20th 2012

    Albert, don’t mock! It’s unbecoming of you.

  322. I have read all of the latest responces and i will say nite nite and God bless you all, Jesus is coming sooooooooooooon to pre trib rapture His Church/Bride.


  323. Martin Aug 20th 2012

    Theo, grow up and stop following others. Nobody is impressed with regurgitated false words/

  324. Desert Rose, despite what Ken 1 said, there are true prophets today. Scripture makes it clear that prophecy and prophets are a valid part of Christian ministry.

    However, to try to give a list of genuine prophets would be unwise, too often ministries change. Some start out true, but for various reasons go astray.

    One trait of the true prophet and true teacher is the willingness to repent when they are shown to have made mistakes (which we are all prone to do). Anyone who fails to confess and repent when proven wrong but chooses to make excuses should be treated with extreme caution.

    Continual diligence is required. Stay close to God, search the scriptures – desire the Truth.

    And WOW – I’m away for a couple of days and I come back to pages and pages of what?
    It seems like the topic of this thread really must have angered Satan for him to stir up such a distracting confusion of nonsense.

  325. Desert Rose Aug 20th 2012

    @ Ken…. I am also in agreement with what Debylyyne said that David Wilkerson was a humble man and not wanting to put any title upon himself but by the fruit of his life we all know that he was a true Prophet. He foresaw many things of future events and is a voice that we have all heard. I remember Kathryn kaulman also said that she did not have the gift of healing yet many have been healed by her ministry, she also said that those who have been blessed by certain gifts would not boast of recieving those gifts but treasure them… I know that David Wilkerson was a great admirerer of Kathryn Kaulman. @ Pastor David Hall I dont think anyone on here would think of putting hankerchiefs on people as new age, I know that I do not, I myself have done this because the word of God teaches us to do so, but we see people who call themselves christians are doing alot of practices that new agers are doing, getting called up into heaven and talking to people who have died??? I dont see where this is scriptural! when Jesus did alot of miracles the unusal signs that he did were always to bring healing to the body or spirit not in seeing gold dust, feathers ect. @ VallyAnt I do agree with you on not allowing prophets to be Gods voice instead of God, two things have helped me on that and that is that many times God has already spoken to us about the very same things that they speak to us are more for confirmation than anything.. and the second is that if there is a word we are not sure about to put it on a shelf and pray over it and wait for the Lord to show you… @ Debylynne Amen to your post!! I also see many who call them Apostles if you look up Apostles they are supposed to be ones who move in miracles. Yes I liked what you said about the Holy Spirit who puts that check in our spirits and I know in these last days we are going to have to really know him and his voice because his word tells us that even the very elect will be decieved!!

  326. Dear ole Onesimus, maybe we can sort out our differences on our way up in the pre trib rapture? “In the air” “In the clouds” (1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-52) The 2nd coming being in Rev 19 and Zec 14, where He plants His feet on the earth, NOT the air.

    Blessings my friend.

  327. Desert Rose Aug 20th 2012

    @Onesimus (Tim) Wow! Thankyou for that post! that really helped me!! That is true that many times you do say yes you can trust this one and the next thing you hear that one is in error…I think we forget that we are dealing with people and people are known to make many mistakes and that there is only one who is perfect ( our Lord and savior Jesus)…but on that note the Lord does use imperfect people to show forth his glory I think people just forget that……

  328. Albert Aug 20th 2012


    Did you get rejected as a child?

    it is you that needs maturity.

    maybe an ass whipping. i read your other posts

    ever get thrown out of the temple????

  329. Kathy said on Aug 15th 2012:
    “And I keep asking God why He allows this deception etc. to go on for so long.”
    The Lord allows deception etc. to go on “For the Lord our God is testing [us], to know whether [we] love the Lord our God with all our heart and with all our soul.” (see Deut 13)

    If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods’, which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them’, you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

    Ken 1, this thread has nothing to do with the rapture. We’ve all been made painfully aware of your views on that matter over many years. Your comments on it here are just another distraction from the seriousness of the issue in the article posted by Andrew.

  330. Dear ole Onesimus, i have to agree with you, that this thread has NOTHING to do with the sooooooooooooooon pre trib rapture BUT! i make NO apoligeis for what i said.

    Blessings to you ole Onesimus

  331. Ken1 , if you want to prove yourself a false prophet that is your choice. But that is no reason to add to the distraction from the very serious issue raised regarding new age thinking in the church and its promotion by the Elijah List.

  332. Dear ole Onesimus, you are my Brother in Christ, WHY does that offend you?

  333. All this hocus pocus is our fault as Pentecostal Christians as much as anyone’s. We opened the door to a multitude of foolish and harmful doctrines when we started to preach the cross plus theology. Instead of trusting entirely in the ancient cross plus nothing and instead of believing the ancient book we encouraged people to place their trust in the cross plus experiences. We started encouraging people to place their confidence in their own behavioral righteousness instead of the righteousness that comes by faith alone in the cross.
    In doing so we opened pandora’s box. Just as Abraham’s self effort religion gave birth to Ishmeal so experience seeking and self effort Pentecostalism gave birth to the hocus pocus believing charismatic church.
    We as Pentecostals need to get back to putting our entire faith in the ancient cross plus nothing. we need to return to placing all of our confidence in the ancient Book. The Ismealites church has little or no trust in these two critical foundations of the faith and it’s out fault as Pentecostals.

  334. debylynne Aug 20th 2012

    onesiumus tim – glad you’re back!! there has been some VERY crazy stuff posted by a couple of folks and not just once, twice or even three times!! sheesh! i start thinking maybe i need some of whatever they are ‘on’ cause they sound like they are bouncing off the walls!! that is a ‘joke’ – i am not wanting any, thank you.
    but, glad you showed up again.
    desert rose – wisdom, my sister, wisdom, amen.
    and tim – the scripture you referenced in answering kathy – the word of the LORD – amen – it says it all.

    men should be ‘proved’ by their doctrine and their lives – by what they preach and teach and how it measures up to the Word of God – NOT by any supposed ‘gifts’. and just look at what that scripture says!!! the LORD YOUR GOD is allowing it – to test us! will we be ‘seduced’ by ‘signs’ or ‘charisma’ or even supposed ‘miracles’ ?? or will be stand on the Word of Almighty God and follow and serve Him only????

    amen and amen to the Word of the LORD!!

  335. debylynne Aug 20th 2012

    sorry – that SHOULD say, ‘or will WE stand on the Word of Almighty God and follow and serve Him only????

  336. Ken, the thing that offends me is the false teaching you have fallen victim to and that you are trying to promote. The fact that your teaching is completely irrelevant to this thread also gives cause for concern regarding your motivation.

  337. debylynne, all of the “crazy stuff” being posted here recently just confirms to me how seriously this “new age ” infiltration into the church needs to be taken.

    I was warning about it in the mid 1980s, but back then I couldn’t imagine the extent to which it would become mainstream belief in Pentecostal/charismatic movements.

  338. “It can be scientifically documented that everything has either positive or negative frequencies Foods even have frequencies.” (a sine wave has both ” we see that both sine and cosine (and hence all real sinusoids) consist of a sum of equal and opposite circular motion. Phrased differently, every real sinusoid consists of an equal contribution of positive and negative frequency components” )
    Poor ignorant folk who swallow ‘A “Quantum” Change’ need to be taught that frequency is merely a measure of recurring events in time, real things – drum beats, heart beats, sunrise, seasons, light waves etc stupid assertions like the
    “Fresh food has a higher frequency than processed foods” Meaningless unless maybe you eat fresh food more frequently!
    Andrew is right, one does not need “discernment” or a Bible for that matter to understand that this stuff is scientific gobbledygook!!
    One once said the problem with common sense is it is not very common

    Pr Michael

  339. debylynne Aug 20th 2012

    barry – i have to agree with MUCH of what you say…..
    ‘for i determined to know NOTHING among you, save JESUS CHRIST and HIM crucified….’

  340. debylynne Aug 20th 2012

    i feel this way more and more – things 30 years ago that i ‘believed’ were true but could not quite ‘grasp’ how they would happen (i.e. the deception in the church) i see happening all around me…..i have ‘lost’ friends because of people that i thought ‘knew the LORD and His way’ have just gone off after ‘another gospel’ and ‘another jesus’ and when questioned about it and you try and show the truth in the Word of God – they don’t seem to even CARE what the Bible says – they become VERY angry and accuse you of ‘judging them’ or of being ‘old school’ basically.

    well, YES, i am ‘old school’….show me the ancient paths and i WILL walk therein – amen and amen.

    michael – thank you for that clarity about the ‘gobblyegook’ – and your observations – right on!!

  341. debylynne,
    I seem to recall that back in the 80s the “new age” warnings tended to be about its growing influence in the world – potentially preparing the way for antichrist.

    However it seems its effects on “the church” have been much more significant than its effects in the world.

    In the 80s it was mainly Hunt and McMahon who were warning about its entry into the church with their book Seduction of Christianity. They came under intense criticism for naming many popular celebrity preachers.

  342. Judas. 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

  343. debylynne Aug 20th 2012

    i believe you are right about that – it seems truly as i look back that we were much more concerned about the ‘new age stuff’ coming AGAINST the church, more as an ‘outside enemy’ and of course, of it deceiving the already ‘lost world’…but, i don’t remember thinking of it as being an enemy INSIDE the church……but, of course, that is exactly what it is.

    it also used to puzzle me as to HOW the ‘church itself’ could possibly become deceived…..well, i wonder no more. of course, here in america we just couldn’t ‘grasp’ the fact that our ‘rights’ as Christians would begin to be taken away and that the government would do the things that have been done, either.

    i remember, not too many years ago, thinking that anyone who at least said they ‘believed in Jesus’ were Christians, too – that at least we could have ‘unity’ based on that – that was before, of course, that i came to understand about ‘another gospel’ and ‘another jesus’. the ‘confines’ of my fellowship have become much narrower and i will tell you honestly that i approach other supposed ‘believers’ and/or ‘churches’ with much caution and much sincere questioning BEFORE i feel able to even ‘receive’ them as a brother or sister.

    i don’t like it but it is the way it is. falseness and deception have become the ‘norm’ rather than the ‘exception’ and it grieves me but i won’t REFUSE to see the truth just so we can all ‘get along’ like many have chosen to do.

    bless you, my brother

  344. “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ…” Colossians 2

  345. ValleyAnt Aug 20th 2012

    Ayelyah, it’s good to know of Christians who know about Svali, her story, and the thorough infiltration of the churches. You’re right.

    Desert Rose, I said we need more true prophets who bring God’s words. We need more of ‘the real thing’, as much as we can get. There cannot be to many true prophets of God. As Moses said to Joshua, it would be wonderful if not a few but all the Lord’s people [prophesied].

    This began as a topic about false teaching among false prophets and had of course taken turns off the path all over. However, how long and well can people stay on track with topics like these? In Eph. 3, Paul says, “Let no corrupt communication come out of your mouth but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart Grace to the hearers.” Shouldn’t those on here seek rather to encourage each other instead of staring at ‘current events’ and then inevitably biting, mocking, and being disagreeable with one another as they share their opinions on these ‘current events’? Is there good news to report that will build up rather than cause our immaturity (self-centeredness) and fallen nature to be displayed over and over for all to see. People who build houses always start from the beginning. If we want true and not false ‘revival’ and change among Christians, why don’t we start also at the beginning: humility and the re-laying of the Foundation of true Christianity. We may as well begin at the beginning where bones are dry and people are dead, because there is little Life in this Christianity.

  346. DeWayne Aug 20th 2012

    I’ve noticed with some exception in mentioning error having crept into the church, being addressed only concerning the teaching/prophecy, and as common in past considered incorrect to mention the author of this teaching/ptophecy.

    It is common in the secular world believing religion and politic’s are topics best ignored, still in case/s of teaching/prophecy error, focusing on the author may have benefit for all, including the one perhaps in teaching/prophecy error.

    As others have mentioned, even the best servent on occassion makes a mistake, on such an occassion bringing the error directly to the author gives opportunity to make correction. Isn’t this what the word says, reaching unity and maturity as each (member gift) does their part?

    Paul mentions a member in error given chance for correction yet rejecting good council, in this case put out of the group to experience testing. This is hard yet still better than allowing obvious error to continue.

  347. Desert Rose Aug 20th 2012

    @ ValleyAnt ,,,sorry if I misunderstood your post! yes we do need more of the true prophetic voices, there are so many voices we are hearing today and just now this came to my mind.. found in john 10,hope this blesses you…….Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them….. @ Debylynne so sorry to hear of your loss of friends over this…The one thing i know is that alot of this is very appealing to the flesh but one day they will remember your stand on truth,, because the deception gives them what they want to hear and not what they need to hear and dont be surprised if they end up knocking at your door…..